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20 hours ago, BW Manilowe said:

Which means that Spacey has most likely paid him off and settled the case for a bunch of money in exchange for the accuser's silence.  It also means that all the blather from Spacey's attorneys about the lost cell phone was probably a smoke screen to deflect attention from the impending payout while casting doubt on the accuser,  It also endangers the criminal case as the plaintiff is unlikely to want to testify against him.

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Jeffrey E. Epstein, a billionaire New York financier long accused of molesting dozens of young girls, has been charged by federal prosecutors with sex trafficking, two people with knowledge of the case said on Saturday night.

Mr. Epstein was arrested in the New York area and is in federal custody. He is expected to appear before a federal magistrate on Monday.

Mr. Epstein had avoided federal criminal charges in 2007 and 2008 in a widely criticized plea deal after he was accused of paying dozens of underage girls for sexual massages in Florida.

Before then, Mr. Epstein, a former hedge-fund manager, had been friendly with Donald J. Trump, former President Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew, the Duke of York.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-arrested-sex-trafficking.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Finally!!!

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Yeah! Fucking Yes! I never I thought that women victimized by Jeffery Epstein as girls would ever get justice. I hope that sexual predator goes to prison and is locked up in a maximum federal prison, no more weekday release and spending nights in minimum security facility. I hope it all comes out in court about Alan Dershowitz and Prince Andrew's involvement in Epstein's sex trafficking of teenage girls.  

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In addition to the arrest of Epstein, a federal court has ordered that 2000 pages of court documents related to the original civil case against him in Florida be released. So perhaps some of his enablers, including current Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta, who was the Federal prosecutor at the time, will be exposed.

(As I type this MGM resorts is running an ad about what you can do at its Vegas casinos. In addition to shots for their casinos and celebs performing in them (Justin Timberlake) there is a shot of boxer Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather has received multiple jail sentences (most of them suspended for violent acts including domestic violence.

Really MGM? That's who you want to associate you brand with? )

(What makes it worse is that the shot before his is of the Las Vegas WNBA team.)

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Prince Andrew has to be freaking out.  Hes been known as a friend of Epstein but claims he didnt know about the rape of minors. 

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44 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Prince Andrew has to be freaking out.  Hes been known as a friend of Epstein but claims he didnt know about the rape of minors. 

Yes, Andrew, we all believe you. Uh huh.

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48 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Prince Andrew has to be freaking out.  Hes been known as a friend of Epstein but claims he didnt know about the rape of minors. 

Yes while U.K. tabloid reporters were busy acting like knowing the identity of a baby's godparents was a matter of great national importance, with one moron damn near threatening to sue the Queen herself, because you know "taxpayer's money", let's see if they apply the same zeal and passion to "taxpayer's money" funding the lifestyle of a possible pedophile. Something tells me the answer to that is probably not.

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Virginia Roberts Giuffre, one of Epstein's main accusers, said that he pimped her and his other teenage victims out to his powerful friends, specifically naming Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz. Andrew publicly continued his friendship with Epstein after his conviction. The British media reporting this was so embarrassing that the Queen reportedly told him to stop associating with Epstein. She also released a statement denying that Andrew had sex with Giuffre. And this was after Andrew was accused of selling his influence to shady corrupt wealthy businessmen. He really is a piece of work. It seems like the day of reckoning is coming for all of these men who exploited and engaged in sex with young girls.

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Alan Dershowitz being involved doesn't surprise me at all. He's creeped me out since I first realized who he was during the O.J. Simpson trial.

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The Miami Herald has several well written investigative articles on Epstein on its Web site. Because he was initially charged there and Dershowitz who was part of his legal team intimidated the local police by investigating them and their families and the feds took away case, the Miami Herald has been determined to keep the story alive and in the headlines. It has even taken legal action along with the NY Times and Washington Post which resulted in the court releasing the documents noted in the post above. Here is a shorter article from the Guardian that focuses on Andrew's slimy involvement with Epstein. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/jeffrey-epstein-decade-scandal-prince-andrew

Here is a photo of 17 year old Virginia Roberts Giuffre with Andrew in Ghislaine Maxwell's home. Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, a wealthy media tycoon. She was Epstein's girlfriend and she is one of the women who procured teenage girls for him.

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Another thing, Epstein also pimped out his victims to academicians. He gave millions to Harvard and socialized with and was good friends with many well known scientists on faculty there and at other Ivy league universities. Sick.

ETA: The bottom of that photo shows the intimacy of Andrew's relationship with Roberts. Her stomach is exposed and his hand is resting on it. Her lawyers filed the photo with their court documents so that Andrew could not claim that he did not know her. 

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1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

Prince Andrew has to be freaking out.  Hes been known as a friend of Epstein but claims he didnt know about the rape of minors. 

One of Epstein's victims claims that she was passed around to Epstein's friends, including an unnamed "royalty".

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8 hours ago, SimoneS said:

The Miami Herald has several well written investigative articles on Epstein on its Web site. Because he was initially charged there and Dershowitz who was part of his legal team intimidated the local police by investigating them and their families and the feds took away case, the Miami Herald has been determined to keep the story alive and in the headlines. It has even taken legal action along with the NY Times and Washington Post which resulted in the court releasing the documents noted in the post above. Here is a shorter article from the Guardian that focuses on Andrew's slimy involvement with Epstein. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/jeffrey-epstein-decade-scandal-prince-andrew

Here is a photo of 17 year old Virginia Roberts Giuffre with Andrew in Ghislaine Maxwell's home. Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, a wealthy media tycoon. She was Epstein's girlfriend and she is one of the women who procured teenage girls for him.

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Another thing, Epstein also pimped out his victims to academicians. He gave millions to Harvard and socialized with and was good friends with many well known scientists on faculty there and at other Ivy league universities. Sick.

SUUUURE Andrew, these young girls just liked hanging out with all these adults.   

How thick do you have to be that your mommy has to tell you to stop hanging out with a CONVICTED pedophile.     

this statement from the prosecutors says it all:   

Federal prosecutors recently filed court papers in Florida case contending Epstein’s deal must stand.

“The past cannot be undone; the government committed itself to the NPA, and the parties have not disputed that Epstein complied with its provisions,” prosecutors wrote in the filing.

They acknowledged, however, that the failure to consult victims “fell short of the government’s dedication to serve victims to the best of its ability” and that prosecutors “should have communicated with the victims in a straightforward and transparent way."

Usually the prosecutors are fighting tooth and nail to keep someone who has been exonerated IN jail, not fighting to keep someone who IS guilty out.    Wonder what COULD BE the difference?

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Morning after, I am still stunned that Epstein has been charged. I never thought this day would come. The FBI-NYPD task-force arrested Epstein at Teterboro where he was flying in from Paris. He wasn't allowed to turn himself in. They were probably concerned that he would flee the country and they would never get him back given his wealth and powerful connections. It will be interesting to see if Epstein will get bail. Most judges wouldn't give a convicted registered sex offender bail, but he has always been able to buy the justice system. However, it is one thing for Alex Acosta and his ilk to sell the justice for these women when hardly anyone is looking, it is another with the Miami Herald, New York Times, and Washington Post scrutinizing their every move.

No doubt Epstein will be offered a plea deal, but it will involve serving years in a maximum-security prison where sex traffickers are usually housed. With no pardon likely, Epstein might opt for a trial which will make a lot of wealthy powerful men nervous as hell.

I am looking forward to seeing Ken Starr and Dershowitz’s next moves. Dershowitz accused Boies (who ruined his reputation by deceiving the NY Times for his client Harvey Weinstein) and Roberts of lying and dared them to sue him for defamation which they did and now he is desperately trying to get the case dismissed instead of taking them on in court as he said he wanted to. Looks like his house of lies are about collapse. Starr along with several of Epstein’s other attorneys wrote a letter defending the plea deal in response to this NY Times editorial: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/01/opinion/alexander-acosta-jeffrey-epstein-sexual-assault.html

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17 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Prince Andrew has to be freaking out.

And he, and all the others, should.  Because Epstein seems definitely the type who's not going down alone.  He will take them all along with him.  

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From VarietySAG-AFTRA Finds Kip Pardue Guilty in Sexual Harassment Case

OK, I’ve never heard of either the accused or the accuser in this case; most of us probably haven’t either.

I’m posting it because the professional union involved in the case did, basically, what it should have done when a complaint like this is filed & saw fit to punish the accused (though it might’ve taken longer than expected for the union to do anything, & the punishment might’ve been a bit more than the 4-figure monetary fine leveled against the accused). 

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39 minutes ago, BW Manilowe said:

m posting it because the professional union involved in the case did, basically, what it should have done when a complaint like this is filed & saw fit to punish the accused (though it might’ve taken longer than expected for the union to do anything, & the punishment might’ve been a bit more than the 4-figure monetary fine leveled against the accused).

Well not really the victim indicates that there was no follow up with her to the point that she told the LA TImes in October of 2018 5 months after she reported the incident that she now knows why people don’t come forward and it took more than a year to handle it in even this paltry way. Also, cutting the fine in half if you take an online harassment module which probably has no way of telling if it’s actually the person taking it and not an assistant is straight bullshit.

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On 7/7/2019 at 3:18 PM, BW Manilowe said:

From VarietySAG-AFTRA Finds Kip Pardue Guilty in Sexual Harassment Case

OK, I’ve never heard of either the accused or the accuser in this case; most of us probably haven’t either.

I’m posting it because the professional union involved in the case did, basically, what it should have done when a complaint like this is filed & saw fit to punish the accused (though it might’ve taken longer than expected for the union to do anything, & the punishment might’ve been a bit more than the 4-figure monetary fine leveled against the accused). 

Have you seen the film Remember the Titans? He played the QB, Sunshine. That's probably what most people would best know him from. 

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I have zero doubt that Spacey is a scummy predator, but the details of that particular case always sounded to me like the accuser thinking he could make some money off letting Spacey continue to grope him.

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25 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

I have zero doubt that Spacey is a scummy predator, but the details of that particular case always sounded to me like the accuser thinking he could make some money off letting Spacey continue to grope him.

Because three years ago, the accuser foresaw that if he waited three years to sue Spacey for assault that the Weinstein story would break triggering the MeToo# Movement which would create the circumstances that some people might believe that the popular and inflential Spacey was capable of such behavior. If I had that kind of ESP, I would play the lotto and be a millionaire.

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On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 6:18 PM, BW Manilowe said:

From VarietySAG-AFTRA Finds Kip Pardue Guilty in Sexual Harassment Case

OK, I’ve never heard of either the accused or the accuser in this case; most of us probably haven’t either.

He was in one of the worst movies I've ever seen, Driven.  I should sue for the time I lost watching it.

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17 hours ago, GaT said:

Because Spacey gave him a huge settlement to drop the civil suit and not testify. 

Accuser's mom: No settlement in Spacey lawsuit.

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1 hour ago, SimoneS said:

Because three years ago, the accuser foresaw that if he waited three years to sue Spacey for assault that the Weinstein story would break triggering the MeToo# Movement which would create the circumstances that some people might believe that the popular and inflential Spacey was capable of such behavior. If I had that kind of ESP, I would play the lotto and be a millionaire.

Because Spacey's been an infamous chickenhawk for a lot longer than three years, and might have been willing to pay some hush money to avoid being sued and risking scandal for his hit former series without the MeToo# movement being in the picture at all.

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44 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

Because Spacey's been an infamous chickenhawk for a lot longer than three years, and might have been willing to pay some hush money to avoid being sued and risking scandal for his hit former series without the MeToo# movement being in the picture at all.

Then why wait three years? Why not sue Spacey immediately? After all he had the videorecording. The rumors about Spacey have been swirling for years, but he remained powerful and influential Hollywood. No one dared confront him publicly and take him on until Anthony Rapp spoke up after the Weinstein story broke. 

Even with everything that occurred since the Weinstein story broke, these victims can't win with some people. They don't sue. Why didn't they sue? They stay quiet. Why didn't they speak up? They go to the police or sue. They are just trying to make a buck. 

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13 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Then why wait three years? Why not sue Spacey immediately? After all he had the videorecording. The rumors about Spacey have been swirling for years, but he remained powerful and influential Hollywood. No one dared confront him publicly and take him on until Anthony Rapp spoke up after the Weinstein story broke. 

Even with everything that occurred since the Weinstein story broke, these victims can't win with some people. They don't sue. Why didn't they sue? They stay quiet. Why didn't they speak up? They go to the police or sue. They are just trying to make a buck. 

They didn't run away. Why didn't they run away? They froze. How could you freeze? They must have wanted it - and money, and attention.

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I think the accuser's Mom was the one that started the ball rolling. I do believe it happened but something tells me the guy just wants to forget it now but the mother had to make a big deal of it.

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3 hours ago, stonehaven said:

I think the accuser's Mom was the one that started the ball rolling. I do believe it happened but something tells me the guy just wants to forget it now but the mother had to make a big deal of it.

That's the mother that was a newscaster, right?

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3 hours ago, catlover79 said:

That's the mother that was a newscaster, right?

Right. Years ago, Heather Unruh was a reporter (& maybe an anchor) for the NBC station in Birmingham, Alabama, which I remembered her name from (I have a better long term memory for things that are more trivial than important, which is why I knew who the victim’s mother in this case was, & a “better” short term memory for the important stuff). I have family in that area, & I grew up watching the Birmingham, Alabama TV stations when we’d go visit my late maternal grandparents &/or my maternal-side uncle & his family. Plus, that was the professional field I got my degree in (Radio-TV- Film)—so I suppose I might’ve been paying attention to the names of potential eventual co-workers, if I ever actually got into that field. Plus, I had my favorites of who I liked to watch locally—which were mostly the same local newscasts & anchors my grandpa liked to watch (his house, his TV); I was able to develop my own favorites when he was away from the TV during midday/Noon type newscasts because of things like doing yard work, having doctor’s appointments, or because he went to the store or on other errands (after my grandma died), or if he’d uncharacteristically go to bed before checking the local late news headlines at 10PM. 

Anyway... I think she left the Birmingham job for the Boston job (but don’t know when). She was anchoring the news, at a Boston network affiliate I can’t remember (maybe WBZ?), at the time Spacey assaulted (or are we back to “allegedly assaulted”?) her son. At least I’m pretty sure the media reports on her son’s case have said that she was still anchoring then. I think she’s subsequently left broadcasting; but I think she also had done that before it came out that her son was 1 of Spacey’s victims (either through her/her son or someone else publicly saying so).

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15 hours ago, stonehaven said:

I think the accuser's Mom was the one that started the ball rolling. I do believe it happened but something tells me the guy just wants to forget it now but the mother had to make a big deal of it.

From articles I've read, what happened seems to be  - 

Mom was browsing son's text messages for evidence relevant to Spacey's behavior toward her son the night in question. 

During the course of this, Mom ran across unrelated texts referencing "frat boy" behavior she deemed "Not Mom approved" and deleted them.

By doing so, Mom tampered with evidence thus giving Spacey's team an opening to ask what else was deleted.

That's my understanding of what's going on.  

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14 minutes ago, MissAlmond said:

During the course of this, Mom ran across unrelated texts she deemed "Not Mom approved" and deleted them.

From https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2019/07/09/6-key-moments-wild-day-court-kevin-spacey-groping-case/1681839001/:

Unruh admitted deleting material she had described as "frat boy activities" from his phone.  The material included photos of Little drinking under age and smoking marijuana and racist lyrics that a friend sent  to her son on Venmo. 

She said she was "concerned" as a mother. "I deleted a few things," she said. But she was adamant that none of the deletions were of texts exchanged on the night of the alleged assault. She also testified she did not order her son to delete any of those texts.

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2 hours ago, Drogo said:

From https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2019/07/09/6-key-moments-wild-day-court-kevin-spacey-groping-case/1681839001/:

Unruh admitted deleting material she had described as "frat boy activities" from his phone.  The material included photos of Little drinking under age and smoking marijuana and racist lyrics that a friend sent  to her son on Venmo. 

She said she was "concerned" as a mother. "I deleted a few things," she said. But she was adamant that none of the deletions were of texts exchanged on the night of the alleged assault. She also testified she did not order her son to delete any of those texts.

Yep.  Mom was concerned over other texts, deleted them, and that's what gave Spacey's team an opening.  

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13 hours ago, MissAlmond said:

From articles I've read, what happened seems to be  - 

Mom was browsing son's text messages for evidence relevant to Spacey's behavior toward her son the night in question. 

During the course of this, Mom ran across unrelated texts referencing "frat boy" behavior she deemed "Not Mom approved" and deleted them.

By doing so, Mom tampered with evidence thus giving Spacey's team an opening to ask what else was deleted.

That's my understanding of what's going on.  

If that's what happened, then why did he plead the fifth? I still don't understand.

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3 minutes ago, GaT said:

If that's what happened, then why did he plead the fifth? I still don't understand.

He knew his mom had deleted stuff from the phone; he originally answered 'No/I have no knowledge of anything being deleted' but later pled the 5th (striking the earlier/false statement from the record.)

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2 minutes ago, Drogo said:

He knew his mom had deleted stuff from the phone; he originally answered 'No/I have no knowledge of anything being deleted' but later pled the 5th (striking the earlier/false statement from the record.)

Ah, I get it, thanks

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And apparently his plea was in direct response to Spacey's lawyer reminding him that altering evidence is a crime. That makes it seem less shady on his part than I'd previously thought.

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On 7/9/2019 at 11:36 PM, BW Manilowe said:

Right. Years ago, Heather Unruh was a reporter (& maybe an anchor) for the NBC station in Birmingham, Alabama, which I remembered her name from (I have a better long term memory for things that are more trivial than important, which is why I knew who the victim’s mother in this case was, & a “better” short term memory for the important stuff). I have family in that area, & I grew up watching the Birmingham, Alabama TV stations when we’d go visit my late maternal grandparents &/or my maternal-side uncle & his family. Plus, that was the professional field I got my degree in (Radio-TV- Film)—so I suppose I might’ve been paying attention to the names of potential eventual co-workers, if I ever actually got into that field. Plus, I had my favorites of who I liked to watch locally—which were mostly the same local newscasts & anchors my grandpa liked to watch (his house, his TV); I was able to develop my own favorites when he was away from the TV during midday/Noon type newscasts because of things like doing yard work, having doctor’s appointments, or because he went to the store or on other errands (after my grandma died), or if he’d uncharacteristically go to bed before checking the local late news headlines at 10PM. 

Anyway... I think she left the Birmingham job for the Boston job (but don’t know when). She was anchoring the news, at a Boston network affiliate I can’t remember (maybe WBZ?), at the time Spacey assaulted (or are we back to “allegedly assaulted”?) her son. At least I’m pretty sure the media reports on her son’s case have said that she was still anchoring then. I think she’s subsequently left broadcasting; but I think she also had done that before it came out that her son was 1 of Spacey’s victims (either through her/her son or someone else publicly saying so).

It was WCVB.

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I'm not saying Unruh the Younger did the wrong thing by pleading the fifth, but he wasn't the one who altered the evidence, if it was his mom deleting the photos. 

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1 hour ago, janie jones said:

I'm not saying Unruh the Younger did the wrong thing by pleading the fifth, but he wasn't the one who altered the evidence, if it was his mom deleting the photos. 

It's not that he altered the evidence, it's that he knew his mother had deleted stuff from his phone but had previously testified under oath that he didn't know of any deletions from the phone.  Had he changed his story on the stand rather than pleading the fifth, he would've been in danger of being charged with perjury and his mother with tampering with evidence.  The defense could also get all of the cell phone evidence tossed out of the criminal trial since there was admitted tampering with the phone.  It also opens up a whole new avenue for the defense to claim that the kid is a proven liar and that there were important messages pertaining to the case at hand that were also deleted and which would have favored Spacey had a jury heard them.

In other words, he and his mother took what could've been a very credible case and trashed it.

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Any headline that starts with "Fox News" never ends well.

Fox News contributor Tyrus sent lewd texts to his female co-host. After an internal investigation, Fox pulled him off the show he co-hosted on Fox Nation and gave him his own show.

Texts included:

  • “Just pull your boobs out now why don’t you. Just grin and bare it"
  • "keep being negative and I’ll send you another dick pic."
  • “I love the fact your always working if we ever had sex I feel like after an orgazzum you say speaking of feeling good did see the story on the puppy rescue we should do a segment on it hand me my phone.”
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4 minutes ago, 2727 said:

“I love the fact your always working if we ever had sex I feel like after an orgazzum you say speaking of feeling good did see the story on the puppy rescue we should do a segment on it hand me my phone.”

...the hell kind of English is this? 

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