S12.E15: Mystic Mistake

[islandgal140]

I really did want to like Peggy but she is basically the Armenian Rose Nylund but without the warmth and funny.  I was half expecting her to think Iceland was the refrigerator section of the supermarket, which she has never been to because Armenians only eat fresh foods. 

[bichonblitz]

1 hour ago, NeverLate said:

Shannon was correct, she said herself she was lashing out.

She said that after Tamra pointed it out to her. 

[amola]

Although I loathe the doctor scenes with Vicki, I loved when she said that she never wanted Michael or Brianna to get the call saying she had died. Hate to break it to you Vicks but we are all going to die. She also continues to say, "My mom was healthy".  Her mom had a-fib for many years and was 83! Give me a break -- that's probably not the picture of health.  As someone whose mother died, much, much younger than Vicki's from complications from genetic a-fib, I sort of always knew that my mom would not live to a ripe old age. Losing a parent is tough but Vicki hardly lost her mom when she was really young or something. 

[yourmomiseasy]

3 hours ago, lunastartron said:

3mm of a 25mm of a largely precancerous had turned into actual cancer. Which (to me, in my layman's understanding; correct me if I'm wrong) suggests the remaining 22mm was in the process of turning as well. In the context of her mother's early death and her preventative mastectomy, I don't think her fears are unreasonable. 

"Over a span of ten years, I scheduled mammograms and MRI’s every six months, my doctor found a mass in my right breast in the MRI. The immediate response to this news, was to schedule a biopsy. Despite being negative on the BRCA gene testing, the biopsy revealed pre cancerous cells [DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma in situ)] within my right breast. Few weeks later, we scheduled a surgery to remove the 25 mm of mass, and sent the mass to the pathologist. In a matter of weeks, I was told that of the 25 mm removed, 3mm of it was already cancer.”

Too bad Peggy has not managed to be verbally this articulate on any topic.  But I guess then she would have had to find some other way to make a story line that wasn't "what is this English you speak" and fighting with Shannon over David very calmly asking questions any rational adult would.

1 hour ago, diadochokinesis said:

Dude, I didn't even get vicodin after my c-sections. I left the hospital off painkillers. I think I took some tylenol the first day or two just at night but that was it. I understand that the expanders would be a bit painful but she honestly can't be on Vicodin for 5 months after the surgery.  Also, we've seen her drinking and driving (not simultaneously) during the show which would not be recommended when on Vicodin. 

I think a mastectomy is more damaging than most c-sections and has a longer and more complicated recovery period.   For one of her mastectomy related surgeries (there were over 10) my mom ended up with a jug of Vicodin.  I've never seen a pill bottle this big.  They gave her the container the Vicodin came in and it is probably 3 times the size of the bottle of Aleve I get at Costco.  My mom, being full of drugs and not rational, decided to stock pile her jug of Vicodin "in case there was ever a domestic war and [she] needed to medicate [her] children."  That giant jug full of expired pills is still taking up room in her bathroom waiting to be the hero in the event of a large scale disaster that takes out all infrastructure including the medical system.  My mom is not a prepper, so I don't know why it hasn't been tossed or why she didn't just take her damn pills.  The chest expanders are beyond painful after each expansion and a normal person probably would have hit that stash during the worst of it.

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, FamilyVan said:

She's a hypocrite - LOL - I know she loves that word.  Yes, she had a psychic over after her Mom died with Billy and Tamra there... she also had some astrologer over her house in one of the early seasons to read everyone's chart.  She should have gone to Megan's house, would have made her more relevant and been hella more interesting that her "acting" out her head shake routine at the phony Dr.

Thank you. That was what I was thinking of. I knew Jeanna was still around and there were sky-tops for miles. She's so full of shit. Well....we already know this, thanks for last week's episode.

 

1 hour ago, FamilyVan said:

Lydia never should have come back to the show.  The thirst for more can backfire!  After her season she left on a relative high note, people were sympathertic to her becuause Ragey Ryan chewed out her mom.  And people remember her standing up to Slade and calling him a douche, which anyone would applaud.  Probably she had decent favorability in the public eye as "that former housewife".  But nooo that wasn't good enough, she had to come back with her unicorn sparkle and now everyone cannot stand her and she has lost any good will.  Well played Lydia!  

Yup. I did not mind her originally. I thought she was a bit of a fence rider, but I LOVED how she stood up to Slade. She hasn't done one right thing this season. She's trying to insert herself in everything and is totally messy about it. 

[tveyeonyou]

9 hours ago, Marley said:

I miss heather kind of lol.

I miss Heather a lot!

9 hours ago, NeverLate said:

I couldn't even finish it tonight

 

I couldn't even start it! Well I did try to watch but turned it off after a minute or two. I can't stand Lydia, can't stand Peggy, can't stand Kelly although my Kelly hate has gone down a bit because Lydia and Peggy suck so much they make Kelly seem tolerable at this point. Also can't stand Vicki, Tamara annoys me, and Shannon somehow makes me feel sorry for her.  I keep forgetting Meghan is even on this show. At least Heather had some decent house porn, although I could do without her husband. I don't know why I watch this show at all, it gets worse every season.

8 hours ago, SoCal4Us said:

BRAVO - If you're listening, I beg of you, bring back Fancy Pants and her mansion stat!  This is an emergency!

Please! I'm begging too, it truly is an emergency! 

[ghoulina]

36 minutes ago, amola said:

Although I loathe the doctor scenes with Vicki, I loved when she said that she never wanted Michael or Brianna to get the call saying she had died. Hate to break it to you Vicks but we are all going to die. She also continues to say, "My mom was healthy".  Her mom had a-fib for many years and was 83! Give me a break -- that's probably not the picture of health.  As someone whose mother died, much, much younger than Vicki's from complications from genetic a-fib, I sort of always knew that my mom would not live to a ripe old age. Losing a parent is tough but Vicki hardly lost her mom when she was really young or something. 

This. I'm sorry for anyone who has lost a loved one, but 83 isn't an age where one should be SHOCKED that someone died. Also, I am super evil, but I immediately thought that Brianna and Michael might WELCOME that call. 

[Cherrio]

1 hour ago, diadochokinesis said:

Dude, I didn't even get vicodin after my c-sections. I left the hospital off painkillers. I think I took some tylenol the first day or two just at night but that was it. I understand that the expanders would be a bit painful but she honestly can't be on Vicodin for 5 months after the surgery.  Also, we've seen her drinking and driving (not simultaneously) during the show which would not be recommended when on Vicodin. 

It always depends on the doctor and also the patient.   People want narcotics for a hangnail.  

As for Peggy, my take is that she would go to a doctor who caters to people like her and would prescribe loosely.   

As for being on narcotics for way too long (5 months) after surgery, its happens so much that these type of meds are now the number one drug epidemic in our country.

People who abuse narcotics wouldn't think twice about drinking and driving either.

[diadochokinesis]

7 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I think a mastectomy is more damaging than most c-sections and has a longer and more complicated recovery period.   For one of her mastectomy related surgeries (there were over 10) my mom ended up with a jug of Vicodin.  I've never seen a pill bottle this big.  They gave her the container the Vicodin came in and it is probably 3 times the size of the bottle of Aleve I get at Costco.  My mom, being full of drugs and not rational, decided to stock pile her jug of Vicodin "in case there was ever a domestic war and [she] needed to medicate [her] children."  That giant jug full of expired pills is still taking up room in her bathroom waiting to be the hero in the event of a large scale disaster that takes out all infrastructure including the medical system.  My mom is not a prepper, so I don't know why it hasn't been tossed or why she didn't just take her damn pills.  The chest expanders are beyond painful after each expansion and a normal person probably would have hit that stash during the worst of it.

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I think a lot would depend on the type of mastectomy you had. The majority of mastectomies performed nowadays are a simple mastectomy or a modified radical mastectomy.  In a simple mastectomy, the chest wall muscles aren't removed.  It is just breast tissue (including nipple and areola) and the overlying skin. A modified radical mastectomy would be all of that plus some of the lymph nodes and possibly some of the chest wall muscle depending on if the cancer has spread there. Radical mastectomies are rarely performed anymore and in those, chest muscles are removed. My grandmother had a radical mastectomy (bilateral) but that was before the newer type surgeries.  I would imagine that Peggy had a simple mastectomy since hers was prophylactic. 

[yogi2014L]

3 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I don't particularly like Meghan but she had me LMAO when she was telling Shannon and Tamra they would have to suffer her wrath if they woke her baby up with their yelling! 

Also when all the girls left and she turns to her Psychic and said :" these are my friends" and the psychic went in her totally sarcastic basic voice " your friends are great" I actually laughed out loud for the first time all season. 

I like meg this season, and actually shannon too. though GF really really needs to divorce david and go away to a theraputic retreat. She is really on a downward spiral. I feel badly for her. 

Lydia and Peggy are seriously the worst.  Sooooo unlikeable. I can't get over how awful Peggy is. I kind of like Diko, but seriously how can you even have a conversation with Peggy?  I don't understand how they have managed all these years. 

[diadochokinesis]

2 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

It always depends on the doctor and also the patient.   People want narcotics for a hangnail.  

As for Peggy, my take is that she would go to a doctor who caters to people like her and would prescribe loosely.   

As for being on narcotics for way too long (5 months) after surgery, its happens so much that these type of meds are now the number one drug epidemic in our country.

People who abuse narcotics wouldn't think twice about drinking and driving either.

I live in Dubai now. I had one c-section in the US and one in the Middle East. I couldn't get Vicodin for either one.  LOL.  I got Tylenol 3's for the US one and nothing for the Middle East one (except I did get antibiotics that I told them I was allergic to so yay!). 

The opioid crisis in the US is horrible (I work in healthcare). I am certainly aware of the abuse of prescription drugs.  I just don't think that Peggy was on a legit Vicodin prescription 5 months after.  Now, whining and getting the drugs or doctor hopping for additional scripts are a different matter.  But saying that her pain is to a level that requires Vicodin 5 months after all of this is what I have trouble with. I work with people who have legit chronic pain and you can always see it on their face and in their eyes. Just like I can also always tell when they took their meds and have visited their happy place.  LOL. 

[JAYJAY1979]

2 hours ago, Cranky One said:

Please! Your fireplace deserves better! Nobleman isn't even worthy of bathroom reading...unless you were desperate for toilet paper!

I wish the fashion industry would stop trying to bring back acid wash! I laugh at my 80s pictures with all of us decked out in it.

 

I did laugh at Shannon's reply to David when he asked (between crunching sounds) if they had stores in Iceland and she replied with something about trading animal pelts or something like that! lol

If tie dye, flare jeans, and boho fashions (which are pretty tacky) can come back then so can acid wash.  

I'm curious about what would fix the show because changes need to be made if it c9mes back in season 13.  

[KLovestoShop]

Unless Peggy goes to a quack doctor who's a prescription clearing house, no way is she on Vicodin for that long.  I just had an attack of kidney stones, and for those who've had those know how bad the pain is, I didn't get anything stronger than Tylenol for the pain.  Used to be that they gave you intravenous pain meds (had kidney stones a couple of times) and then sent you home with a script for Hydrocodone, but I didn't get even that for this last attack---didn't get a prescription for anything.  So, maybe Peggy goes to different docs and gets her Vicodin that way

[howiveaddict]

12 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

FYI - Peggy's exact words..."I'm lucky to NOT be going through chemo right now" She is NOT getting chemo...but wants it to sound like she is.....she is full of chit!!!! It is VERY RARE to have chemo with a mastectomy.  I don't understand why she was even talking about chemo??????????  

I am a chemo nurse.  Many women have to get chemo and a mastectomy. Sometimes they have to get chemo first before the mastectomy to shrink the tumor.  Sometimes radiation also.  Breast cancer is a horrible disease.   Peggy, however, didn't need either thing.  

12 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Support what? Her choice to have a mastectomy? I can't imagine any Doctor advising her to have a mastectomy.  Unless, it was due to Botched Breast Procedure lead to her double mastectomy. Sorry,but something doesn't quite add up with the cancer / not cancer BS story

I recently had a colon polyp removed.  The Dr didn't advise me to get a colostomy.  Women with HPV get precancerous lesions on their cervix.  They get them removed.  Not a total hysterectomy.

10 hours ago, Marley said:

Peggy is just trying for a storyline. Diko is assisting her. David asked a couple questions. If that is an interrogation then I pretty much interrogate everyone in my life lol.

Vicki is snooze fest and she’s one of those ppl where if she’s apologized to you about something then you can ever talk about it again. Ppl like that infuriate me.

Lydia sucks. She is so close minded and pathetic. She doesn’t even wanna be near a psychic? What a loser get a grip. Her magazine is also obv just a fun little hobby. Do ppl even really purchase magazines anymore? Seems super pretentious. If they didn’t have family money they wouldn’t have a magazine. Also nothing wrong with it at all couldn’t care less.. but Doug really sets off my gaydar.  

Im jealous they are going to Iceland tho it’s on my list. 

 

I miss heather kind of lol.

YOu have that backwards, Diko is trying for a story line.  Peggy is assisting him!  Also, if Peggy isn't American, then why is she named Peggy and not go by an Armenian name?  Would love to hear from someone who knew here years ago and how she acted then.  I bet she was a typical American child.

[FamilyVan]

Yes I wonder why she doesn't have an Armenian name?  But she named her daughters Armenian names.  Hmm.

I like Shannon, but I do wish she could just roll her eyes and smirk and say "I see what you are trying to do", then ignore them and talk to someone else at the table.   It would BURN them.  Tamra does this, Shannon needs to take a page out of Tamras playbook.  

[diadochokinesis]

2 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

Yes I wonder why she doesn't have an Armenian name?  But she named her daughters Armenian names.  Hmm.

I like Shannon, but I do wish she could just roll her eyes and smirk and say "I see what you are trying to do", then ignore them and talk to someone else at the table.   It would BURN them.  Tamra does this, Shannon needs to take a page out of Tamras playbook.  

I'm wondering if she does have an Armenian name and Peggy is just the American nickname.  You find that sometimes with people who have really ethnic names.  

[Mu Shu]

12 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Support what? Her choice to have a mastectomy? I can't imagine any Doctor advising her to have a mastectomy. 

In Armenia, womans go on show where womans call other womans dumbfucks and the c words.  This is how Armenian womans have cancer support groups.  

[Duke2801]

26 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

This. I'm sorry for anyone who has lost a loved one, but 83 isn't an age where one should be SHOCKED that someone died. Also, I am super evil, but I immediately thought that Brianna and Michael might WELCOME that call. 

I will be evil with you because I thought the same thing!  Well, I thought Micheal - definitely.  Brianna - maybe; it's harder to tell with  her.  As annoyed and exasperated as she gets with Vicki, I sometimes think the 2 of them have a codependent relationship.  

10 minutes ago, howiveaddict said:

I am a chemo nurse.  Many women have to get chemo and a mastectomy. Sometimes they have to get chemo first before the mastectomy to shrink the tumor.  Sometimes radiation also.  Breast cancer is a horrible disease.   Peggy, however, didn't need either thing.  

 

OK, thank you for clearing that up.  When I read that original statement, I was like.....wha??? Because I was pretty sure chemo and a mastectomy often go hand-in-hand when treating breast cancer.  And yup, my best friend who was treated for stage 3 this past year had her chemo, her radiation, and then the double mastectomy.  

[NeverLate]

2 hours ago, Jel said:

If I am keeping track correctly, Lydia is allowed to express her feelings and insist Shannon stop doing something (essentially showing emotion in the way Shannon does) because it pushes Lydia's buttons.

Shannon is not allowed to express her feelings in the way Shannon wants to because it pushes Lydia's buttons.

Entitled much, Lydia?

She's a little troll doll, with her beady eyes, and troll doll husband! 

[Mu Shu]

Why would a hardy, no nonsense country need Deballed Dougs magazine?  Are men in Iceland really hard up for advice on how to tie a cravat or bleach their buttholes? Fuck off Doug, you balless fop.

Peggy is such a bitch.  I'd like to knock the Tah-boo-LEH taste right out of her oddly lipsticked mouth.  And her hyper little 4"11 husband hopping around in a suitcase like a ferret faced troll.  Dicko, you got rich doing rim jobs.  If you want to go to Iceland so badly, do a few more rim jobs to pay for it.

lydia, immediately recuse yourself from this show, you officious little monkey rat.

i always enjoy watching Tamra shed her skin and become a different yet similar glossy, dangerous creature.  This new one is masterful.

Vicki has been separated from the herd once again.  And I bet Tamras pasture can kick the shit out of her pasture.  Heifer, you are done.  Your Hail Mary heart problems fool no one. 

[VioletMarx]

Wow, I can't believe I'm the only one who can't stand Shannon. She is the eternal victim and isn't comfortable unless she's whining about how someone is being mean to her. The times she gets most upset are when she thinks she is being perceived as the aggressor. She can't stand to be accountable for anything. 

 

I just can't feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for her kids. She played out her marital BS on national television for fame and money. I'm sure it was a real pleasure for the children of that marriage to have that on display to their classmates and neighbors. Not to mention the dirty laundry between Shannon and the girls' grandmother. But who cares about the girls when Shannon can be on TV!

[walnutqueen]

3 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Thanks!  I'm going to blame it on a long day at work followed by two crazy kids when I got home.  LOL.  I am not going to blame it on Armenia though!

Eh - just blame it on Vicky.  ;-)

[Lady of nod]

OC is not my fave HW show, but I did start watching regularly when Shannon came on. I liked her quirkiness. Now it makes me sad to see the state she is in, and to watch these bitches constantly going after her. Especially that good christian Lydia. Way to go - find the woman on the show who is emotionally fragile and make gaslighting her your storyline. Her true colors are showing and they're not a rainbow, more like a black hole. She and her husband are the epitome of privilege with their stupid magazines and fake "christian" values. 

And Peggy and Dika - if you don't want to talk about your cancer - then don't talk about your cancer. How's that for a simple solution.

Vicki - ugh, just ugh cannot stand her. she really needs to go.

Kelly has redeemed herself a little in these last episodes, not hating her so much. I think divorcing Michael looks good on you. (Shannon - take note)

Megan is probably to me, the most likeable this season. She seems happy with her baby, and not having her bore of a husband around is a plus.

Shannon, luv, you need help. Your marriage is a mess, and he's really just not into you. LEAVE. Staying together for the kids is not a good idea - does more harm than good. 

Tamra - just waiting for her to turn on Shannon. Bitch.

That's all I've got.

[esco1822]

5 minutes ago, VioletMarx said:

Wow, I can't believe I'm the only one who can't stand Shannon. She is the eternal victim and isn't comfortable unless she's whining about how someone is being mean to her. The times she gets most upset are when she thinks she is being perceived as the aggressor. She can't stand to be accountable for anything. 

 

I just can't feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for her kids. She played out her marital BS on national television for fame and money. I'm sure it was a real pleasure for the children of that marriage to have that on display to their classmates and neighbors. Not to mention the dirty laundry between Shannon and the girls' grandmother. But who cares about the girls when Shannon can be on TV!

I totally get why you/people don't like Shannon however I feel like her antics are overshadowed by Peggy and Lydia's, who seem to only want to gaslight Shannon. Granted, it's not too hard to do but still, we see it over and over. They know her hot buttons and continue to push them. Lydia is just gross. I hate her dumb cutesy voices and the way SHE has to be the one to always put Shannon in her place. Peggy seems fit enough to handle herself with Shannon so why is Lydia fighting her battles for her? She just can't resist picking the scab with Shannon for whatever reason. Peggy just seems manipulative. She creates this persona of an airhead all the while waiting to drop a "do you trust your husband?" She's smarter than she portrays but not smart enough to not be obvious about it. For those reasons, I'll always be team Shannon. She may be a mess personally but she's a pretty good and solid friend and a lot of fun in her element. She doesn't sit around plotting how to blow up other people's lives or attempt to make them lose their sh*t constantly. 

 

[Cherrio]

34 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Deballed Dougs magazine

The magazine's title needs a little tweaking.....

Noballsman

[jennylauren123]

14 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

What is with Peggy's pursed hot pink lips? I need sunglasses. They're a bit too bright for my taste (don't think that it matches well with her skin and hair coloring). 

I think Peggy uses those fat lips as visual punctuation. She says something, then she purses her fat lips, in varying horrible shades of orange, red, and pink. Stop it, Peggy! She looks like a cartoon. Watch: Peggy goes "Blah, blah, blah," then she purses those fat lips. She also likes to play tough gal. She does this by quickly jerking her head. Ah, Peggy. Can't stand ya! A mob wife wannabe, or what?

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

First, I FF’ed through Vicki because I never did like Vicki.

Then, I FF’ed through Lydia because the waving arms and bug eyes and buck teeth did nothing for me.

FF’ed thru Tamra because I don’t like known villains suddenly parading their religion 

FF’ed thru Meghan because she’s just dull

FF’ed thru Peggy because it’s no fun to see thru someone’s con so easily 

And then I came to Kelly and Shannon.  And when I FF’ed thru Shannon because I can’t take the dichotomy of such a “spirchal” person being so insanely unselfaware, there was only Kelly — and there was nothing to keep me coming back! 

Truth be told, I’ll watch for Iceland. Well schemed, Andy Cohen! But after that, nope. Dones-o.

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, Mu Shu said:

Why would a hardy, no nonsense country need Deballed Dougs magazine? Are men in Iceland really hard up for advice on how to tie a cravat or bleach their buttholes?

Iceland doesn't need Nobleman Noballsman. It needs RHoOC. Bravo has one of the wealthiest most educated audiences on television. This garbage show is watched by 2.4 million viewers a week. If the Iceland trip can demonstrate what a beautiful and wonderful vacation location Iceland is, then every comp was worth it. A 30 second spot might be $60,000 to $150,000 for a national ad on Bravo. Maybe they spent $20,000 on airfare for the cast. Another $20,000 for hotel rooms. A final $20,000 for activities. Maybe round it out to $100,000 for the cast and crew. So for $100,000, Iceland gets to have their beautiful country on display for 42 minutes per episode for 3 weeks in front of 2.4 million sets of eyes.

Edited October 17, 2017 by HunterHunted
To reflect Cherrio's new magazine title

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

2 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Iceland doesn't need Nobleman. It needs RHoOC.

Love your analysis! And actually Iceland is doing pretty well with tourism. Nonstop flights from the middle of the North American continent — and for an insanely low fare — and Groupons are delivering people in droves. I’m pleased for the uslabd’s prosperity but I’ll wait til the fervor has died down in a couple years. Not surprised they struck a deal w Bravo. Somebody over there is smart!!!!

[pieinmyeye]

15 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

If Meghan's top was any lower her girls would be completely out. 

Peggy has lived in the U.S. since she was a year old so I call bullshit at her acting like she doesn't understand slang words and expressions. 

BTW, did you know she’s Armenian?

[lunastartron]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Fixed it for you! LOL I agree, she has been fuzzy about everything!

I don't think the more recent event (from 2 years ago) was as widely known as the one that has the police report/DV plea, it was only reported in 1 blog, SH, which is now closed.

Watching how Shannon reacts/over reacts these last few years makes me suspect that her calling the police to stop a heated argument is something she would do. Shannon tends to panic quickly when things (arguments) don't go her way, so Yes, I can see her calling the police to stop David from arguing with her. I think she allows her imagination to take over and see things that aren't there, hence why David says he shuts down/withdraws from her when she gets like that. 

I can easily envision this as well. It would help to explain why David began distancing himself from her after the "your husband beats the shit out of you" grenade from Kelly. Imagine Shannon being responsible - directly by calling the cops and then indirectly by attempting to attack David while blackout drunk - for not one but two instances in which David was publicly maligned as an abuser. If Shannon's accounts are true and she did, in fact, telephone the police over a verbal disagreement, that's almost unforgivably pathological and, from my perspective, actually so warped as to be dangerous. Especially in the context of her second yarn about trying to break down Adaline's bedroom door when David locked himself inside. 

The "I just wanted the argument to stop so I dialed 911" contention doesn't explain why David accepted a plea, etc, though. 

[Juneau Gal]

3 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Iceland doesn't need Nobleman. It needs RHoOC. Bravo has one of the wealthiest most educated audiences on television. This garbage show is watched by 2.4 million viewers a week. If the Iceland trip can demonstrate what a beautiful and wonderful vacation location Iceland is, then every comp was worth it. A 30 second spot might be $60,000 to $150,000 for a national ad. Maybe they spent $20,000 on airfare for the cast. Another $20,000 for hotel rooms. A final $20,000 for activities. Maybe round it out to $100,000 for the cast and crew. So for $100,000, Iceland gets to have their beautiful country on display for 42 minutes per episode for 3 weeks in front of 2.4 million sets of eyes.

Iceland has been the new go to vacation spot for several years now. It’s easily accessible from most places in the US (even Alaska, where I live, it’s just a quick five hour flight over the North Pole) and a fun mid hop layover stop on a trip to England. They are getting to the point of being overwhelmed with tourists; the influx happened so quickly their infrastructure wasn’t ready for it, especially with the peak tourist season being just several months. 

Which leads me to Lydia exclaiming about Northern Lights AND the sun never going down in Iceland as two things they will experience. You really can’t have both Lydia, you need the sky to get dark to really see the Northern Lights. 

[Duke2801]

3 minutes ago, pieinmyeye said:

BTW, did you know she’s Armenian?

[Mu Shu]

35 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

The magazine's title needs a little tweaking.....

Noballsman

Checkmate.  

[Juliegirlj]

David hardly ever talks. His questions to Dicko, no matter how relevant, were definitively shade. 

Shannon needs an antidepressant stat. She is in the thick of menopause ( pun intended), and is not doing well. David is lucky she didn't throat punch him and then steal his chips and run away. 

[VedaPierce]

11 hours ago, Jextella said:

Going against the grain, but this was the first episode I liked Lydia, Peggy, Mehgan, and Kelly.

Shannon is a hot mess.  I dislike Tamra most times but I appreciated how she talked to Shannon about how she is handling her emotions regarding David.

I agree totally. Not a popular opinion, but Shannon is a horrible person to be around. Everyone is constantly walking on eggshells. And I don't believe it's because of problems in her marriage. She has marriage problems BECAUSE of her overreactions and hypersensitivity and need for validation 24/7. I know someone like shannon. 2 speeds, 1-screaming, accusing, finger-wagging and then when someone talks back, 2-crying, falling apart, running out of the room. 

Don't care for Lydia, but she was right, "shut up for one minute and stop interrupting and let Peggy try to explain herself!" Damn shannon! You are insufferable! Take a Xanax! Calm down!

and btw, Peggy was asking Shannon initially why Shannon didn't bother to respond to Peggy's texts and phone calls after the party, where peggy was actually quite gentle with Screeching Barn Owl. That was a great moment to ask her. I like that she is being called on her shit. 

I believe Shannon was always this way, and will always be this way. She will forever make the people in her life miserable with her histrionics. Her husband, her children, her friends. I recognize what Shannon is, and it cannot be fixed. Not even with therapy. 

Edited October 17, 2017 by VedaPierce

[VedaPierce]

11 hours ago, wheresmypizza said:

Peggy. You dropped the shit and knew what 'throw in the towel' meant tonight. I see you.

Caught that too! Yeah, Peggy's full of crap, but for some reason, she and her dopey husband are growing on me. I found them light and almost fun last night. 

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, b2H said:

Peggy is self-centered, self-absorbed and as thin skinned and looking for trouble as anyone.

Shannon needs to get away from these people.  They are not her friends and they are not in her corner.

Diko should never have involved Shannon in this.  Peggy is an asshole.  Sorry you had cancer, glad you got through it (as someone who lost THREE GENERATIONS of women from this disease),but you don’t get to bludgeon people with what kind of support you’ve gotten from them.

I have no time for this woman or her Armenian heritage.

WOW this one was a doozy.  First of all, I apologize to the kind people of Iceland that these shrews had to come to your country.  We aren't all like that.  By the way, this entire cast dynamic sucks.  Probably because 3 of them are horrible people despite claiming to be the most Christian who have ever Christianed.  By the way, can we stop with the religion stuff?  These women are not a great PR campaign to increase followers.  They are more apt to turn people off.  I guess it depends on your goal.

I don't even know exactly what to say about Peggy but she seems like a really unkind person who seriously needs to work on that RBF.  I get it.  I too have been accused of having it occasionally.  But she always looks like she has smelled a pile of shit.  No one can also do right by her re her cancer.  Don't talk about it, where's my casseroles and sympathy, I wanted these gals to be here for me.  Bitch, you have one fucking fine way of showing that.  You get on David for asking questions, you are weirded out when anyone talks about it and you make as much sense explaining cancer as my kitten Pippi would.  I think I would have a clearer understanding of what was going on with her if in fact Pippi gave it a whirl.  She is TOTALLY fucking with Shannon.  One and done.  Oh and she looked high AF at the mystic thing.  Maybe she needs to slow down on the pain pills.  They are dulling her responses and making her look like she cannot follow or think a lucid thought.  

Shannon.  Woah gal, you need to get those emotions in check for your own sake.  I like Shannon.  I think she could be fun and a loyal friend.  She is having a heck of a time right now.  I suspect its a myriad of problems.  Menopause, shitty marriage, crazy coworkers, excessive alcohol.  These women are not her friend.  Can Bravo PLEASE hire someone for her that she trusts and will not gaslight her?  I think Tamra is an ok friend to her right now but its hanging in the balance.  Tamra doesn't want the histrionics.  I get it.  I have a friend who has been a hot mess in the past.  Its trying but I figure one day I might be the hot mess and would love to have a friend walk me back, tell me I will be ok, and help me through it.  I think she needs some mood balancing meds for the time being.

Lydia, I am not sure I could dislike you more right now.  I suspect Jesus doesn't approve of you being a snarky bitch who is lacking in empathy.  One day your hormones will run amok, you may have marriage issues (once Doug finds out where you put his cut off balls) and I hope you find someone who extends as much kindness as you do.  You are a raging bitch hiding behind a religious facade.  We see you.

Vicki.  Don't go changing.  The doc says don't be concerned and she is nearly picking out music for her funeral.  Man she was milking that doc visit.  One thing that I was surprised of, she DOES have a heart.  I suspected a giant black empty spot in her chest.  She is not needed for this show.  Seriously.  GET RID OF HER!

[nexxie]

Peggy isn’t Armenian - she’s the ugliest of Americans, soullessly materialistic.

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, Cranky One said:

The best part of this episode was the old Family Vaaaaan clip!

It seemed like a goodbye Vicki montage.  Please? Let it be so.   If that was not the purpose of that they wasted too much time on her.  

15 hours ago, TexasGal said:

David was eating popcorn, no?  Which just means I really would have stolen the bag from him.

The flashback to Shannon talking to Tamra she looked like a completely different person.  Her face needs to be somewhere between the one we are seeing now (knowing she’s lost weight in real time) and how drawn it was when she was skinny.

Pirates Booty.  A lower fat sort of cheeto.  Totally yummy.

[nexxie]

“Are you done?” 

“Do you trust your husband?”

Peggy practiced her act - it was cruel and disgusting.

And imo Flying Monkey Lydiot practiced her lines too.

These two are Vicki level VILE!!

(At the end, Peggy becomes the poor little victim - also scripted.)

[Ubiquitous]

5 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Either way, I'm over Peggy. Shannon's reactions are super fucking OTT, but Peggy and Niko are trying SO hard to make drama where there is none. Peggy brings UP the topic, and when she and Shannon finally get some alone time to hash it out, Peggy bails. She wants to make the scene. But when she's faced with a human being genuinely asking how she is, she can't handle it. This entire cancer thing has been a whole lot of bait n switch. THEY are the ones who keep bringing it up (and badly), but then get all offended when anyone asks follow up questions. Ugh, it's doing my head in. 

So, the premise of this Iceland trip is that this douchey, rich, So Cal magazine for men is writing an article on the country? Bahahaha, okay then. Again, super jealous of OC right now. I was literally gasping during the previews and I know these bitches will ruin another amazing travel opportunity. 

I was over Peggy's cancer narrative the first time she told it.

 

As for the Iceland trip, I am pretty sure I saw Vicki gagging on something local in one of the "this season..." previews.

[nexxie]

Tamra went back and forth between feigning support for Shannon and suggesting there’s something crazy about her - also gaslighting. Tamra’s faux Christianity isn’t working for her.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

David hardly ever talks. His questions to Dicko, no matter how relevant, were definitively shade. 

David hardly ever talks....TO SHANNON. If you watch him in the background at parties, he's always chatting with the other men just fine. I don't think he was throwing shade at all. First, he doesn't seem like the type to care. Second, Dicko brought it up and then wasn't super clear (again), so David was just clarifying. He does have an odd cadence when he speaks, so I could see how someone who is not used to him might have found the conversation "off". But nothing he actually SAID appeared, in any way, to be trying to mess with them or call them out. 

 

38 minutes ago, Ubiquitous said:

As for the Iceland trip, I am pretty sure I saw Vicki gagging on something local in one of the "this season..." previews.

Vicki gags over something as "exotic" as a Taco salad. She is such a rube. I hate watching her travel. 

[Juneau Gal]

22 minutes ago, nexxie said:

“Are you done?” 

“Do you trust your husband?”

Peggy practiced her act - it was cruel and disgusting.

And imo Flying Monkey Lydiot practiced her lines too.

These two are Vicki level VILE!!

(At the end, Peggy becomes the poor little victim - also scripted.)

Yeah, what was up with Peggy’s reaction? We’ve all so focused on Shannon’s typical meltdown that we haven’t discussed Peggy’s. She pushes and pushes Shannon to explain herself, well actually to explain her husband’s actions during a conversation neither Shannon nor Peggy heard, and then when Shannon tries to explain this AND give Peggy the concern she wants, she flees crying.

Shannon and David both have unusual communication styles; they can come across as abrupt which may be interpreted as insincere. I however, am getting very tired of the “Stop screaming/shouting at me, Shannon,” gambit that has been employed towards her since the days of Heather Dubrow and is now being resurrected by Lydia. Shannon may slightly raise her voice for emphasis, but she does not scream. For examples of screaming we need to look no further than Vickie or Tamra. Now that’s screaming. 

There was a scene in a prior episode that really struck me. Shannon was visiting Kelly after her breast reduction surgery. Shannon spoke softly with Kelly, but as she was leaving she noticed Kelly scratching her head and in a commanding voice said “Don’t do that” then smiled and softly said goodbye. This was kinda Shannon in a nutshell, so to speak. She IS emotional, to her detriment. She uses all her voice, for emphasis. She has a deadpan sense of humor that is often confusing for people. She is a fully formed human with flaws and faults aplenty. Out of all housewives across the franchises, I would want her as my friend because she is also loyal to a fault (example: David). I don’t understand why she is the whipping boy for these women and has been since day one when Heather Dubrow tried to take her down. I don’t get it and I also don’t get why she keeps coming back for more, but then again I don’t understand fame whoredom or the quest for. 

[HunterHunted]

Maybe there wouldn't have been nearly as many questions about Peggy's cancer if she just explained it in Armenian. Perhaps the women and David wouldn't be so confused about Peggy's Not Cancer/Cancer if Peggy had bothered to take a conversational English class before she started filming and NOT BROUGHT UP HER CANCER ALL THE FRAKKING TIME! She's been sketchy with the details from the beginning, including talking about her mother's cancer. A lot of viewers thought her mother died recently, but her mother died 20 years ago. She's been vague about everything except for designer labels, expensive things, and being Armenian.

47 minutes ago, Ubiquitous said:

I was over Peggy's cancer narrative the first time she told it.

Me too.

47 minutes ago, Ubiquitous said:

As for the Iceland trip, I am pretty sure I saw Vicki gagging on something local in one of the "this season..." previews.

It was Hakarl, which is fermented shark. Vicki knows she's not an adventurous eater. I don't know why she even tried it.

When people like Andrew Zimmern describe it like this:

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Really, the worst tasting foods are the fermented spoiled ones, like Hakarl. Made from the Greenlandic shark, the meat is poisonous when fresh, so in order to eat it, Icelanders let it spoil in the ground for months and then out in the elements for a few more to dry. It’s a revolting dish to many first timers; eating it without gagging is what separates the men from the boys. While the smell of the putrefied shark itself could make the faint-hearted ill, the taste is ultimately sweet, nutty and  faintly fishy…if you like ammoniated wax.

http://andrewzimmern.com/2015/10/02/10-bizarre-foods-ive-ever-eaten/

And Anthony Bourdain says he'll never want to eat it again

http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/anthony-bourdain-eating-icelandic-delicacy-fermented-shark-never-again

Then it is probably really weird and off-putting.

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, lunastartron said:

I can easily envision this as well. It would help to explain why David began distancing himself from her after the "your husband beats the shit out of you" grenade from Kelly. Imagine Shannon being responsible - directly by calling the cops and then indirectly by attempting to attack David while blackout drunk - for not one but two instances in which David was publicly maligned as an abuser. If Shannon's accounts are true and she did, in fact, telephone the police over a verbal disagreement, that's almost unforgivably pathological and, from my perspective, actually so warped as to be dangerous. Especially in the context of her second yarn about trying to break down Adaline's bedroom door when David locked himself inside. 

The "I just wanted the argument to stop so I dialed 911" contention doesn't explain why David accepted a plea, etc, though. 

Maybe he accepted the plea because it was better for Shannon, that way she isn't made to look "crazy". I can see him falling on his sword for her/their daughter.

[Shellbell59]

On 10/15/2017 at 9:55 AM, HunterHunted said:

@zoeysmom I think Peggy's line producer has noticed that Shannon is one of the few women who actually engage Peggy. The rest of the women barely talk to Peggy. They talk at her or benignly ignore her. In the vast majority of the scenes that feature Peggy and 2 or more women, you could erase Peggy and it wouldn't make a difference to the scene. She's just that irrelevant. I think Peggy's line producer is sensing how irrelevant she is and has encouraged her to mix it up with any of the women, but Shannon happens to be the only taker. I also think because Peggy and Diko are incomprehensible and clueless about their incomprehensibility, her producer is pointing her to Shannon, Kelly, and Megan, the three people who tend to fixate most on the words people use.

Totally agree...Peggy seemed to just a seat filler at Meghan’s psychic dinner party!

as Lydia was announcing her invitation to Iceland...Peggy was doing her own thing looking at her phone (possibly looking up “wher eez deez ice land place? Do bears leev der?...eez der a place fo dem to poop? Never duz eet git dark? Da same day evree day? I stay eez young eez I look? ‘We in!’)

REALLY ...wtf was she thinking joining this show? She rarely engages...just sits around making dirty looks (or she has THE.WORST.EVER. case of RBF!!!)

something is ‘off’...I don’t know HOW on earth Bravo could have/would have chosen Peggy to join the cast.

fingers crossed...Bravo will finally fire Vicki from ‘her show’....she’s gotta go!!! ...and take Peggy with!

[VedaPierce]

38 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Maybe there wouldn't have been nearly as many questions about Peggy's cancer if she just explained it in Armenian. Perhaps the women and David wouldn't be so confused about Peggy's Not Cancer/Cancer if Peggy had bothered to take a conversational English class before she started filming and NOT BROUGHT UP HER CANCER ALL THE FRAKKING TIME! She's been sketchy with the details from the beginning, including talking about her mother's cancer. A lot of viewers thought her mother died recently, but her mother died 20 years ago. She's been vague about everything except for designer labels, expensive things, and being Armenian.

Me too.

It was Hakarl, which is fermented shark. Vicki knows she's not an adventurous eater. I don't know why she even tried it.

When people like Andrew Zimmern describe it like this:

http://andrewzimmern.com/2015/10/02/10-bizarre-foods-ive-ever-eaten/

And Anthony Bourdain says he'll never want to eat it again

http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/anthony-bourdain-eating-icelandic-delicacy-fermented-shark-never-again

Then it is probably really weird and off-putting.

I wonder if it's anything like "vobla", a russian version of fish jerky. Dried and very salted and eaten with beer. Incredibly, my dad would peel it and I would eat it as a 7-year-old! No chicken nuggets for me! Lol

[notnowimbusy]

Talking to Peggy is like listening to a song backwards.  She makes no sense and yet gets mad when people try to understand.  Something is just "odd" about Peggy.  I've notice, how during her TH, that accent goes in and out.   Not to mention when she's listening to people speak, she looks at me like when I ask my dog "do these pants make me look fat". 

Lydiot. . . OMG just stop.   Everytime I see her on screen w/Doug, I can't help but think they have terrible sex, but think they have great sex.   When she speaks it's like listening to a 7 year old explain physics.

Next week will we get to see Vicki at the podiatrist for an ingrown toenail?   Ugh

Tamra - nice throwing everyone under the bus in such a subtle way.  Nice to be so critical of Shannon, when year after year, we have seen her go NUTS at the drop of a hat.  That view from her high horse must be nice. 

Shannon.  Stop.   Go to a real dr., get everything checked out.  Do whatever it takes to reduce the stress.  Don't dwell on things all day long. 

Oh is Meghan still on the show.