S16.E09: A Little Avant Garde

[Beaner]

2 minutes ago, bitchin camaro said:

I'm sorry, but I hate Brandon's. It's boring, not avant garde, and looks sloppy around the chest. 

He did not incorporate any of the ideas of his young partner. Wasn't that the whole challenge?

[chitowngirl]

Iyana's really looks like a Shopkins inspiration. Brandon's looks like a variation of everything he does. And not done well.

i really don't think he should have won the Dixie challenge since he wasn't in contention for the prize.  If Dixie was to have a say, a judge should have been there.

I Hope Amy comes back as a recruiter for future seasons as we have seen Mondo and Seth Aaron do.

Edited October 13, 2017 by chitowngirl

[Straycat80]

I'm glad Claire got kicked off, she cheated, plus I couldn't stand her and her sister. I still feel the whole mess could have been handled differently. Moving on...

The avant-garde challenge is never my favorite. To me avant-garde = Halloween costumes. They've had some cheap product placement's this season. Dixie and now Shopkin's which are cheap toys. 

Even not understanding avant- garde I think Amy and Brandon's were boring next to everyone else's. 

Zac: maybe Amy is not a one day challenge type of designer. Ya think! Can you design some wak-a-doo outfit in one day Zac? I doubt it. I thought everyone did a pretty good job and no one brought a tape measure home, Kentaro reminded everyone. Ha! 

Oh and double elimination. Batani I can understand. Was Amy ever in top three? Guess it was time for her to go. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by Straycat80

[GreyBunny]

After the producers dragged things out the way they did, it doesn't bother me that Margarita and Michael threw a tantrum, they rightfully called out a cheater.  To hell with Claire, and fuck her feelings - she can go the hell home to her equally obnoxious sister and they both can crawl back under whatever rock they came from and stay there.  I hope everyone speaks Spanish in front of them from now on.

[Bebecat]

I guess the right one won? Sorta? I hate avant though, at least on PR. Bye cheater.

[enoughcats]

I really am not that interested in Avant Guard or Shopkins.

My adrenaline is still running on high after Tim redeemed himself in my eyes and heart by getting rid of the copyist.  As edited, he did it quickly and brooked no nonsense.  

I shouted out loud (which seldom happens on any TV that isn't football) and woke up three of four cats (and the forth is deaf.)

 

Way to go, PR and welcome back, Tim who had so much respect.

[bitchin camaro]

6 minutes ago, Beaner said:

He did not incorporate any of the ideas of his young partner. Wasn't that the whole challenge?

Oh yeah, that too.

[Primetimer]

Which is probably just as well, because...Shopkins.........avant-garde challenge.

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[jackjill89]

I am so happy Claire is gone. However, Michael and Margarita need to own up to what they did. Actions have ramifications. She was cheating, you reported it, she was disqualified. Move on and quit acting like you are so shocked at the outcome. You didn't want this to happen? WTF did you expect when you reported cheating?

I wish Ayana had one. That was like a happy Bo Peep fluffy cupcake and Liris SOLD it. Loved it. I really like Michael's model. She looked great but Ayana's was pure fun.

Edited October 13, 2017 by jackjill89

[notcreative enough]

I don't know what's more shocking two people going home or this episode not ending in a cliffhanger.

[catrice2]

I don't even know what a Shopkins is, and I certainly didn't realize it/they had anything to do with this horrid challenge. What a bunch of talentless designers. 

[DasFlavorPup]

1 minute ago, Bebecat said:

I guess the right one won? Sorta? I hate avant though, at least on PR. Bye cheater.

Yeah, I'm not fashionable, I can't sew, and I still take my popped buttons home at Thanksgiving for my mom to sew back on, so I can never really get too worked up over who wins and loses in an avant garde challenge.  Particularly since the show has never been able to really articulate what it is, and the judges never really explain to my satisfaction what makes one avant garde and the other a hot mess.

I did feel bad for Amy, even though I thought she should have gone home.  It's got to be a gut punch to have the person next to you be sent home, thinking you're safe, and then have Heidi say you're out as well.

[bitchin camaro]

3 minutes ago, PreviouslyTV said:

Which is probably just as well, because...Shopkins.........avant-garde challenge.

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OK, so I haven't read the full article yet (I'm on it, I promise!!!) but I'm glad I'm not the only one whose skin crawled seeing that fuckstain's name on the screen. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by bitchin camaro

[Nordly Beaumont]

Wow, so much blah blah blah before FINALLY getting to the heart of the issue. Yes, Michael and Margarita, I’m sure you feel guilty. You both handled it badly. But there would have been nothing to handle if Claire hadn’t cheated. It’s on her. I can’t believe the way Claire kept whining “it was a TANK!” well, sweetie, if it was just a TANK, then you should have been able to create that without having to measure your own. If a tank is impossible for you to do on your own, you don’t deserve to be there.

Loved Kenya’s unenthusiastic reading of the line: “Pilot Friction Pens are amazingly dope.” I’ll bet the look she had on her face is the same as when she vomits.

3 minutes ago, bitchin camaro said:

He did not incorporate any of the ideas of his young partner. Wasn't that the whole challenge?

Was it? I didn't get that feeling. At Mood Tim basically told Brandon to do whatever he wants.

I wish Amy would have gotten a chance to get more feedback, but her look was terrible for a doll challenge! Beige and black? What was she thinking? And Batani’s looks were usually pretty bad. So I agree with the double auf.

[Mockingbird]

I mentioned to my roommate that all I could see with Michael’s piece was a disco alien dick. So of course he wins. But at least Brandon didn’t win for doing what he does every week, but slightly worse, this week. 

[bitchin camaro]

3 minutes ago, Nordly Beaumont said:

 

I wish Amy would have gotten a chance to get more feedback, but her look was terrible for a doll challenge! Beige and black? What was she thinking? And Batani’s looks were usually pretty bad. So I agree with the double auf.

Brandon's look was beige and green(ish). I'm not sure why that's any less suited to a doll challenge than Brandon doing whatever he wants.

Edited October 13, 2017 by bitchin camaro

[catrice2]

2 minutes ago, Mockingbird said:

I mentioned to my roommate that all I could see with Michael’s piece was a disco alien dick. So of course he wins. But at least Brandon didn’t win for doing what he does every week, but slightly worse, this week. 

Oh my, other than the alien I had the exact same description. 

[MuMuGuy]

This should've been a "No Winner" challenge. Margarita's design was just a boring and sloppy white dress. Michael's had that weird glitter hose or snake around the waist and looked like something Mom from Futurama would've worn to a gala. Brandon once again asserted himself as a one-trick pony and Kenya's was unwearable because it was way too long. Kentaro's sucked too.

 

I can accept the double elimination and am not surprised that Tim didn't use the Save. If he used the save, it would've looked like he was playing favorites and Tim tries to stay impartial, unless a designer is being an ass (lol, Kenley Collins) or isn't taking the competition seriously like Swapnil Shinde.

Edited October 13, 2017 by MuMuGuy

[Nordly Beaumont]

1 minute ago, bitchin camaro said:

Brandon's look was beige and green(ish). I'm not sure why that's any less suited to a doll challenge than Brandon doing whatever he wants.

I saw the colors as cream and mint green, and I didn't think his was particularly doll-like either. I just see mint green as at least being color you might see in Shopkin doll outfit. Beige and black I can't see at all.

[Maya]

22 minutes ago, catrice2 said:

Good god, everything tonight was trash, especially the toilet paper look.   Thank god I only saw the runway show......but then again that had to be the worse part. 

Thank you, I thought I was blind. What a parade of crap. Michael’s insane alien suit won? And how was Margarita’s hot mess any better than Batani’s hot mess? 

[NorthstarATL]

Sadly, Michael was NOT going for Marvel's Disco Dazzler, which would have been my choice. Claire's twin would NEVER leave so undramatically! So much potential for tears and throwing of measuring tape! Happy for Ayana's win, in that her creation looked like a huge plastic toy that will be easy to reproduce. (Even Barbie would think that the pink was too much, however.) Saw Amy leaving the minute we got the images of her daughter and Heidi pulled the "one or more" line. Kentaro's tape measure line was wonderful, as was him calling himself a butterfly trapped in a spider web at Mood.

[Gemma Violet]

53 minutes ago, Beaner said:

You guys. I missed the first 20 minutes. It couldn't be helped. I'm dying. Claire is gone due to cheating with a ruler? Please tell me what happened. Gracias. ❤️

There was a big discussion about Claire copying her designs, and finally it came out that she had brought a tape measure to her hotel room and was measuring there, which is against the rules.  So it wasn't about the designs at all.  Why didn't they just start with the complaint about the tape measure instead of this big back and forth about copying?

I agree about Brandon doing the same thing each week.  Anyone else would have been called out on it.  I like Brandon, but I want to see him do something different.

[BloggerAloud]

I truly wonder if Margarita and Michael wouldn't have been so "THIS WASN'T MY INTENTION" if they hadn't received such a cool response from the judges on the runway when they initially brought up the cheating allegations. They were sort of dismissive of it all, which I think sent them both into a panic mode and made them want to spin this in the best possible light for themselves.

Edited October 15, 2017 by BloggerAloud

[LennieBriscoe]

Amy and Bettani were Aufed for being dull and whacked,  respectively.

IMO,  Ayana should have won. Every judge raved over her pink avant-garde Bo Peep creation. 

But Michael's  sleeker and shinier Disco dress will probably be easier to reproduce in doll-size.

As for "The Case of the Mysterious Measuring Tape": Claire? Just no.   M&M? In the immortal words of a Manson girl: "Charlie doesn't like a snitch."

Edited October 13, 2017 by LennieBriscoe

[catrice2]

5 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Amy and Bettani were Aufed for being dull and whacked,  respectively.

IMO,  Ayana should have won. Every judge raved over her pink avant-garde Bo Peep creation. 

But Michael's  sleeker and shinier Disco dress will probably be easier to reproduce in doll-size.

They are reproducing the design??!! 

[doodlebug]

34 minutes ago, Beaner said:

He did not incorporate any of the ideas of his young partner. Wasn't that the whole challenge?

The only idea his young partner had was chocolate, and more chocolate.  It would've been pretty unfair if he'd had to design something brown, covered in brown splotches which is what she wanted.  I think Tim was aware that this particular 'superfan' wasn't filled with inspiration which is why he told Brandon to do his own thing.  Creating something 'avant-garde' is tough enough, doing it in shades of poop and dirt would be near impossible.  As it was, his dress looked pretty awful and just more of the same from him.

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They are reproducing the design??!! 

Yep, they are going to make a Shopkins doll wearing a version of it.  Making a silver jumpsuit is going to be simpler and cheaper than recreating that huge pink cupcake with a bow and leggings and I expect that played a big role in the decision.

Edited October 13, 2017 by doodlebug

[escatefromny]

The Twin’s auffs certainly delivered maximum humiliation for each.  Shawn was exposed for the fraud that she was.  Claire not only had her bubble burst by her peers who all piled on with the copycat charge (I’m sure she convinced herself they all loved her and respected her as a designer) she also had to cop to being a petty cheat who couldn’t resist the need to be special and setting herself apart from the others by keeping a tape measure at the hotel.   She admits as much in her talking head.  Her petulance in answering Tim’s questions and her delusional minimization of her offense made me want to shake her and tell her to grow the fuck up.  

I don’t forgive the producers for putting me through the endless and unnecessary twin drama but am satisfied in how they were exposed and dispatched.

Edited October 13, 2017 by escatefromny

[crimsongrl]

I love the Avant Garde challenge! Its fun and weird and over the top. How many challenges have we had for the working woman or woman on the go? I want Fashion dammit!

[Straycat80]

5 minutes ago, catrice2 said:

They are reproducing the design??!! 

I think Heidi said A 'version' of the design will be reproduced. 

[sarasue59]

37 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

Iyana's really looks like a Shopkins inspiration. Brandon's looks like a variation of everything he does. And not done well.

i really don't think he should have won the Dixie challenge since he wasn't in contention for the prize.  If Dixie was to have a say, a judge should have been there.

I Hope Amy comes back as a recruiter for future seasons as we have seen Mondo and Seth Aaron do.

Yes, this exactly.  My sister and I were discussing how they could incorporate Amy into PR.  We loved her critiques as they were not mean spirited, more a teacher or mentor looking out for a pupil.  We thought as a sidekick to Tim, or a judge, or something.  The recruiter idea is good, too.  I just think that Amy has value to PR, and I hope they make use of it.

[Bunnifly]

I'm new to the forums. Hello!

Claire said that in her hotel room she measured and write down dimensions and maybe drew something. According to the rules they can't have pens, paper or a tape measure so she broke 3 rules.

 

I wish the other designers and said something on the runway during the good and evil challenge.  

 

 

Also the sponsors and prizes for this season seem really cheap compared yo others makes me wonder if companies don't want to be associated with PR and more or of production is being cheap

[BlackberryJam]

I'll not lie. I've watched those first 20 minutes three times now just to see Claire get booted.

As neither Margarita nor Michael will win the season, their bitchiness is like the C-story in a soap opera drama. They are also-rans so I can't work up a feeling about them. This is between Kentaro and Brandon, clearly. I agree with a poster in another thread who said it's obvious that Brandon, once his full season work is put together, is creating a cohesive collection. I LOVE his work. I love that he uses the straps to define his garments on what would be the runway versions of his pieces. I love his color pallete. I love his lines. He's no more doing the same thing over and over than Kentaro is with his tank-style tops with full skirts, leggings and overlays. Both have a clear and definite aesthetic and they are two of the best designers this show had had in years.

Claire, on other hand, I enjoyed watching her leave. It seemed pretty obvious to me that her "confession" to Tim was the third or fourth time they'd taped that particular scene and Claire was 2000% done with the whole thing. She was like a sullen teenager having confessed after being shown the video of committing her crime and then has to go stand before the judge and allocute, rehashing all of her wrongdoing. I loved it. 

As to this particular challenge, it was so Batani's time to go. She's produced not one interesting or remarkable thing. She's gorgeous and has great personal style, but can't design worth crap.

I'm sad to see Amy go. She brought a maturity to the workroom and her talking heads that this show needs.

Michael's looked like liquid silver and while I'm not a fan of his work, he deserved this win.

[LennieBriscoe]

NorthstarATL,  Michael,  not Ayana,  won. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by LennieBriscoe

[candall]

Came back to see who won and I'm pretty disgusted to hear it was Michael.  During the opening portion of the episode, they showed his . . .uh, blanket pants? outfit against Batani's and I think Mr. Magoo could see hers was so much better.  So I think they auf'ed her and kept him for cheating drama continuity.

 

 

Brandon's Dixie cup should have a little strap hanging down.

 

(I bought a box of those cups.  I always offer work crews coffee and the Dixies are like Starbucks cups--go cups with a sippy-lid.  But they're also environmentally unsound styrofoam, so in the future I'm just going to have to stock up on regular travel mugs and do the dishes. Bummer.]

[gingerormaryann]

Amy has proven the adage "those who can, do, those who can't, teach."  Nothing against her personally but she does not have the vision to be a top designer.  She might have great technical skills but she never showed herself to have the imagination or creativity.  She was never got a lot of critiques but almost always, the best thing said was her clothes were well made.

That said, older contestants almost always have a problem on the show.  Some, like Laura Bennett, are exceptions but the time restraints and challenges with pressure definitely get to older contestants first.

[GraceTX]

Wow.  That episode was all kinds of uncomfortable.   They crammed a lot of drama into that 1 hour and 30 minutes.

[CherryMalotte]

Shopkins?  *chorus of crickets in my brain*

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Batani really did not capitalize on her second chance.  That dress looks like the pile of wrapping paper left in the aftermath of Christmas.

Oh so right!  In fact I'll go the step further and say this is the folded up crap you've had leftover in the wrap box from ten years ago from a gift someone gave you.  You saved it thinking you would use it for something else, but really, you just need to pitch that shit.  Not surprised she was auf'ed - but what a shame, because I think she never reached her potential.  Her or Amy.  I liked Amy, I would totally take a class she taught, even if I wasn't a fan of her designs.  I have to wonder sometimes with shows of this nature how much better someone would be if the challenges were different.  

Alrighty, back to the real reason we watched  - bye bye Claire.  There had to be some level of offhand calculation on her part, they all sign waivers and agreements and I don't know what all to be on the show, they aren't allowed phones or phone calls unless it's being filmed, there's no magazines, social media and whatever else.  She had to know that taking the tape measure from the workroom back to the hotel room was a big time no no.  I always say they aren't sorry they did it, but they sure are sorry they got caught.  Her facial expressions betrayed that, though I didn't get the feeling she was trying to play innocent.  It just comes down to that she and her sister used PR for attention, and the producers either knew that and didn't care, or were just that oblivious.  

I like avant garde when it's really avant garde,  something totally fantastic and barely wearable, when it's more a piece of art.  I didn't get that vibe from any of the designers. 

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, mwell345 said:

Brandon still has to make straps.  Of course he does.

It is SO-PHIS-TI-CAT-ED!

[Miss Ruth]

1 hour ago, candall said:

I'll say one thing for Claire, though--when push came to shove and Tim walked through the door to ask her if she had a tape measure, she stood up and owned it. 

She didn't stand up at all until Tim sent her to the workroom.  She didn't even look at Tim when he was asking her those questions, and seemed bored by the whole thing.  Maybe her flippant attitude was her way of being nonchalant.

[Michichick]

35 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

I think Heidi said A 'version' of the design will be reproduced. 

Yes, you're right. They'll produce a doll "inspired" by the winning design. So, probably a simplified silver jumpsuit.

[Whodunnit]

I didn't really like Brandon's. Not only did he not do the one thing that the little girl asked for (to make it chocolate brown), but the fabric he chose was a rather sad, dull mint color. There was no effort at whimsy like Ayana's cupcake dress and it looked unfinished at the front.

[NorthstarATL]

41 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

The only idea his young partner had was chocolate, and more chocolate.  It would've been pretty unfair if he'd had to design something brown, covered in brown splotches which is what she wanted.  I think Tim was aware that this particular 'superfan' wasn't filled with inspiration which is why he told Brandon to do his own thing.  Creating something 'avant-garde' is tough enough, doing it in shades of poop and dirt would be near impossible.  As it was, his dress looked pretty awful and just more of the same from him

Now THIS is where you could get a team win! Roughly the same shape as Ayana's, the sparkly essence of M & M, and you open up and get the chocolate that Brandon's fan wanted!

31 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

NorthstarATL,  Michael,  not Ayana,  won. 

I completely misremembered that! Maybe I was still annoyed with Michael over Tapegate?

[njbchlover]

28 minutes ago, Miss Ruth said:

She didn't stand up at all until Tim sent her to the workroom.  She didn't even look at Tim when he was asking her those questions, and seemed bored by the whole thing.  Maybe her flippant attitude was her way of being nonchalant.

Claire reminded me of a jr. high schooler who got caught cheating on a test, and was answering the principal.  Giving off some attitude because she knew she was caught.  No remorse, no excuses - just anger at herself that she was caught.

Edited October 13, 2017 by njbchlover

[Thumper]

Michael's shiny design looked like it had a worm around the model's midsection.  Not flattering -- but maybe ok for avant garde challenge?   I still liked Ayana's better.

Margarita's was pretty and soft and kind of ethereal -- I liked it.

Remembering the greatness of the Chris March era of avant garde design!  Loved him.  Wonder what he is up to now.

[candall]

24 minutes ago, Miss Ruth said:

She didn't stand up at all until Tim sent her to the workroom.  She didn't even look at Tim when he was asking her those questions, and seemed bored by the whole thing.  Maybe her flippant attitude was her way of being nonchalant.

Sorry, I should have indicated "figuratively."  I was remarking that she stood up (figuratively) and took her licks. (Also figurative.)  She accepted responsibility for her actions and the consequences.

She did not appear bored, flippant or nonchalant to me. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Hee, hee! When Tim greets the little girls near the runway, "Hi, young people!" one girl replies, "Hiya, manny!"

Edited October 13, 2017 by hoodooznoodooz

[rhys]

Claire said, "that's fine" when she was told she had to go. She said it twice.

I do wonder how long ago the measuring started & if it would have impacted someone else getting kicked off.

[roctavia]

 I wonder if the cheating had been mentioned earlier to some production members, but they were told that nothing would be done at this point, since they wanted to maximize drama... Or Margarita and Michael figured Claire and Shaun would get the boot early enough that they didn't care to 'tattle' figuring they'd get offed... but the for Claire to win and get money etc was the last straw. Though I do think there is more producer monkeying than anything in why things played out the way they did.  But Claire was clearly cheating and deserved to get booted!
She was so dismissive that she ONLY measured a tank and a crotch on a pair of pants... like that's not the point, it's against the rules no matter what you measured. And as others have said, if a tank is so simple... why the heck did you need to measure it???

 

I want to see more crazy for the avante garde challeng... I think Ayana's was perfect, and it was super shopkin-y (I have kids, our house is covered in shopkins). Michaels was all glitter penis, but the being re created in a doll makes sense why he one, a silver jumpsuit is easy.

Amy and Batani deserved to be aufed, their designs were boring and didn't go far enough.

I wish Kenya's peplum had been even more crazy... I was expecting a giant avante guard peplum and she could have taken it even farther.  The other designs were okay... but could have pushed the limits a bit more.

Edited October 13, 2017 by roctavia

[MinorL]

I thought it was hilarious that Kate Upton said she had an apron the same color as Brandon's piece because that's exactly what his piece reminded me of. 

[Ms Lark]

48 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

The only idea his young partner had was chocolate, and more chocolate.  It would've been pretty unfair if he'd had to design something brown, covered in brown splotches which is what she wanted.  I think Tim was aware that this particular 'superfan' wasn't filled with inspiration which is why he told Brandon to do his own thing.  Creating something 'avant-garde' is tough enough, doing it in shades of poop and dirt would be near impossible.  As it was, his dress looked pretty awful and just more of the same from him.

I think a couple of medium brown straps (yes, the three colors do go together) down the back would have been a nice tribute to his partner, but that's just me. Nonetheless, it didn't really meet the requirements for the challenge.

I still don't think he should have gotten the $25k since he wasn't in the top for the Dixie cup win.