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I liked Chloe, too. It was a relief to have someone who was genuinely nice for a change.

I hated how they killed her off, though. Another really unnecessarily violent ending for a young woman.

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I did think Chloe was getting more interesting when they put her with Stefan, but she was also, like, having visions or something?  Which kinda smacks of a show not knowing what to do with a character.

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I think Jax/Skye is generally considered to be the best couple to come out of that era, too (JFP/McTavish, that is). 

I've always really liked Jax and Skye.  I really think he's the one who got away for her, and that she was one of his few pairings that had minimum entanglements with Sonny.

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Who would have guessed that 20+ years later, the "gold-digging psychotic" who "give(s) women a bad name" would be the pillar of the community, and the one reading her for filth would be a disbarred alcoholic pariah? 

One of NLG's great scenes, though.  

 

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Just wonderful.

Went looking for another Carly drag and came up with this:

Laura Wright's face when Michael calls her "Carly" is perfect, you can almost see Carly's theoretical soul crack.

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Since Sean & Tiffany's exit came up in another thread but I can't find those scenes on YouTube, I just wanted to say this here:

The scene where Tiffany says goodbye to Robin, crying and calling her "my baby" chokes me up every.single.time. I had a specific group of my parents friends who I grew up around/was around as a young child, too, where I was really the only kid for a long time, and I TOTALLY relate to that scene on that level. In a weird way, that was the scene that transitioned Robin from her circle of friends and family she had as a child to the ones that she would have as an adult, even more than when her parents "died". 

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I couldn't find the entire scene, but even this tiny snippet of Kiki getting demolished by Michael Quartermaine for all her hypocritical lying really fills me with joy:

Michael's ice-cold yet completely justified "I don't love you" is just the best.  Suck it, Keeks! 

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There was Zander discussion in the "News" thread about the character's romantic history.  

I'm sure mileage varies, but the only one of Chad Brannon's romantic pairings in 2000-04 that really worked for me -- and it really was one of my favorite GH "young love" stories -- was Amber Tamblyn's Emily.

I never saw whatever people were seeing with him and Tams's Carly. I might have bought puppy love on Zander's part, but it was hard for me to see Carly ever reciprocating. Jax was the guy I wanted Carly to have a Sonny-enraging affair with at that time. This would have been early 2002, when she and Jax were business partners in Club 101. So I was a Carly recast or two premature on the CarJax.  

The Robyn Richards Maxie...ew, I just wanted that shipping to stop, given that she was about 15 and he was an adult. And the other Maxie, the busty one who said "exspecially" all the time, was terrible.  

He and Gia #2 (Andrea Pearson) had nice friendship chemistry, but I wasn't rooting for more between them. A site with Zander's character history says they did eventually become lovers after their respective breakups with Nikolas and Emily. I don't even remember their making it to bed.

Becky Herbst has chemistry with almost everyone, but I didn't see it with Chad. However, she may just have been following the red arrows of the writing marking him as the undesirable choice. Same with Natalia's Emily.

I can't remember what I thought with anyone else he might have been chem-tested with, e.g., Big Kristina, Faith, or Courtney. Courtney actually shared her first scene with him. He tried to help her when he found her stranded by the side of the road, and she threatened him with a tire iron.

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6 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

There was Zander discussion in the "News" thread about the character's romantic history.  

I'm sure mileage varies, but the only one of Chad Brannon's romantic pairings in 2000-04 that really worked for me -- and it really was one of my favorite GH "young love" stories -- was Amber Tamblyn's Emily.

I never saw whatever people were seeing with him and Tams's Carly. I might have bought puppy love on Zander's part, but it was hard for me to see Carly ever reciprocating. Jax was the guy I wanted Carly to have a Sonny-enraging affair with at that time. This would have been early 2002, when she and Jax were business partners in Club 101. So I was a Carly recast or two premature on the CarJax.  

The Robyn Richards Maxie...ew, I just wanted that shipping to stop, given that she was about 15 and he was an adult. And the other Maxie, the busty one who said "exspecially" all the time, was terrible.  

He and Gia #2 (Andrea Pearson) had nice friendship chemistry, but I wasn't rooting for more between them. A site with Zander's character history says they did eventually become lovers after their respective breakups with Nikolas and Emily. I don't even remember their making it to bed.

Becky Herbst has chemistry with almost everyone, but I didn't see it with Chad. However, she may just have been following the red arrows of the writing marking him as the undesirable choice. Same with Natalia's Emily.

I can't remember what I thought with anyone else he might have been chem-tested with, e.g., Big Kristina, Faith, or Courtney. Courtney actually shared her first scene with him. He tried to help her when he found her stranded by the side of the road, and she threatened him with a tire iron.

I agree with you though I also thought he had decent chem with NL’s Emily. He was a great actor and he had great non-romantic chem with a lot of his costars but I didn’t see it romantically with all of those other women either. The set-up with Carly and Zander was particularly terrible since it was clear she was still in love with Sonny and was just using him. Even if they had chem (which I didn’t see much of), I couldn’t get past that part since Zander didn’t deserve it. Not surprisingly, she forgot he existed as soon as she got back together with Sonny, so much for that close friendship. 

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I hate starting sentences with "In fairness to Carly," but I was skimming recaps of that year, and I had forgotten how she went to bat for him when he'd worn out his welcome with Sonny. Pratt/Guza had Zander acting childish and jealous over Jason's being back and reclaiming the position of Sonny's top stooge in town. He tried falsely claiming that Jason was making the moves on Carly, which was the last straw that got him fired, and then he started threatening to get revenge by selling information to Sonny's enemies. Carly did try to be a voice of moderation with Sonny in this period: Zander was just upset, give him time to cool off, etc. And she went looking for him and tried to talk him down.

I don't think Carly was done with him until he started throwing in his lot with any Sonny foe who would have him: Roy DiLucca, Luis Alcazar, Faith Rosco.

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But that is the pattern with Sonny & Carly. Once Jason gets back involved, his replacement is quickly shown the door and is expected to just give everything back to Jason. It doesn't help that Jason acts like an ass about it.  If Zander was feeling particularly destructive, he could told the cops about Sonny kidnapping AJ. These people do so much for them, but when Jason shows up, they start giving them the cold shoulder. 

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On 2/12/2021 at 4:32 PM, Ambrosefolly said:

But that is the pattern with Sonny & Carly. Once Jason gets back involved, his replacement is quickly shown the door and is expected to just give everything back to Jason. It doesn't help that Jason acts like an ass about it.  If Zander was feeling particularly destructive, he could told the cops about Sonny kidnapping AJ. These people do so much for them, but when Jason shows up, they start giving them the cold shoulder. 

Unfortunately, and the show continues with that awful trend through different regimes.

I remember a fan fic that once touched on trying to fix both Stefan's last OOC appearance and Zander's villainous turn, having it that Zander was actually working for Mac (saying he recognized he screwed up and now wanted to be a hero to his unborn child), and kept filling Mac in with explanations for the things he'd done on an unofficial basis, since Mac wanted to figure out who the cops were who were working with Faith. It does make me think that trying to rectify some of the damage done by Guza isn't necessarily impossible, although you'd need writers who care enough to do it.

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It was mercifully kept offscreen this time, but Nikolas's strike force invading the safe house where Florence was being held -- and the way he was getting progress reports on it via phone -- reminded me of the unintentionally funniest thing I've ever seen on GH. Remember the time Sonny sent ninjas to kill AJ? Alexis appealed to Sonny's better nature and got him to call them off at the last minute. They tried to make it suspenseful by showing the ninjas advancing on the Quartermaine house and getting as far as a window (or maybe a door with glass panes) while Alexis pleaded and Sonny dithered back at the penthouse. "Good" times.  

It was funny because it was so un-mob-like. When I think of contract killing, I usually think of one guy in a suit with a gun, not a team of assassins clad head to toe in black. I know Jason was off the show at that point, but did it need to be a group undertaking? Had they made it into the house, were they going to take him out with samurai swords and nunchakus?

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I've had GH back on my dvr for a couple of months now. I was vaguely aware of some recent plots like Nelle, Shiloh, Drew - at least the highlights of the memory stuff, so that's okay but could someone fill me in on how Laura connected with her biological brothers?

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19 hours ago, tessaray said:

could someone fill me in on how Laura connected with her biological brothers?

Some of the show's law-abiding types (Jordan, Curtis, Laura, etc.) were digging into Cyrus's past and found out he had an account with a medical supply company and was paying for the upkeep of a person named "Grey" (or "Gray") who was in a long-term facility in Vermont.

Around the same time, Cyrus was doing his usual thing of publicly approaching Laura and being all solicitous, offering any help he could provide re: Lulu. Lulu had been injured by a bomb Cyrus had ordered planted in a public place, but he genuinely seemed not to have wanted Lulu to be one of the casualties.

Cyrus's comments showed suspiciously deep knowledge of Laura's background. At first, she thought he had just been looking for blackmail info on her. 

Long story short, Laura discovered that the "Grey" person was Florence Grey, a bedridden elderly woman who is the widow of Laura's biological father, Gordon Grey. Martin was visiting Florence at The Facility that Cyrus Found, and Laura was there at the same time. Laura learned that Martin was her half brother. Then Cyrus walked in and made some remark about how he knew Laura would follow the trail of crumbs he had left for her, and "Welcome to the family." She's been dealing with her good and bad half brothers ever since. 

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Thanks, @Asp Burger - my first memories of GH had Laura as a troubled teen and lots of angst with Lesley, David Hamilton, etc.  I don't recall any discussion of her bio father but when there's no internet and you can only watch during the summer or on sick days, you miss a lot. 🙂

And of course, with retcons you're often left scratching your head anyway. 

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This was Connor Olivera and how it was revealed that Sean was his dad.

 

What I loved about this clip is how non-soapy and really happy Tiffany is for Sean finding out about his long lost son.

God, I loved them.

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2 hours ago, nilyank said:

This was Connor Olivera and how it was revealed that Sean was his dad.

 

What I loved about this clip is how non-soapy and really happy Tiffany is for Sean finding out about his long lost son.

God, I loved them.

Mac’s old accent. I forgot how bad it was. 😂

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Cari Shayne (Karen) shared this on Twitter today:

And someone tagged MB in this post, too. Kind of weird to think Sonny was in town at the same time as Sean & Tiffany for two years, but there you go.

 

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Who was the guy with long hair in that 2nd clip?

Good lord it's a disgusting disgrace that Sonny is still on GH and that it's centered around his family pretty much. I always wonder if it would have turned into "General Mobspital: if The Sopranos had never existed. I've never been ever to be a real regular viewer of GH because of my dislike for Sonny. I share mental health issues with MB and really tried to be more sympathetic towards him due to that. After hearing how he whined about his character being backburned during ReRon's tenure I gave up  especially since the show was more enjoyable in some ways without Sonny on as much along with Mo's poor mumbly line reading.

For the record Luke was never a favorite character either especially considering the way Laura/Genie were trashed to keep Tony Geary happy. 

Due to how old I was when I first started to really pay attention to GH I never really got to see John Reilly as a regular on the show. I became more familar with him due to his roles in other shows like BH 90210, Sunset Beach, Passions and when he'd pop up in episodes of TV shows. I always like him as an actor and have enjoyed what I've seen of him in old GH stuff that's online along with occasional appearances on GH after leaving.

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The Sopranos first aired in 1999, and it wasn't huge right out of the gate. The first season averaged about 3.5 million viewers per episode, which was impressive for pay cable but not close to the numbers of big network series like ER. Concurrent with that first season, before The Sopranos could have been influencing GH's direction, GH had quite a bit of organized crime story. There had also been quite a bit before 1999:  Sonny and Stone, Brenda and the wire, Jason reborn as holy hitman. 

However, a little later in '99, The Sopranos was nominated for and won a number of Emmys for that first season (a shock at the time). Then it became a smash. The return of Guza and Pratt in 2002 coincided with The Sopranos' peak of popularity. 

So I think it's a little of "A and a little of "B." There were already mob elements in place, and Guza liked telling those stories, and this other show's zeitgeist moment emboldened him and other writers to devote more and more of the show to the mob. I think it also influenced the direction of Carly, who really turned into a Carmela type in the Tamara Braun years. 

When I look at the GH episode summaries from 1999, there was more of a mix. There was mob, but there were other things that didn't have anything to do with it. 

Now The Sopranos is long gone, but unfortunately, to a lot of remaining viewers, Sonny and the mob are the GH they know and expect.

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28 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

The Sopranos first aired in 1999, and it wasn't huge right out of the gate. The first season averaged about 3.5 million viewers per episode, which was impressive for pay cable but not close to the numbers of big network series like ER. Concurrent with that first season, before The Sopranos could have been influencing GH's direction, GH had quite a bit of organized crime story. There had also been quite a bit before 1999:  Sonny and Stone, Brenda and the wire, Jason reborn as holy hitman. 

However, a little later in '99, The Sopranos was nominated for and won a number of Emmys for that first season (a shock at the time). Then it became a smash. The return of Guza and Pratt in 2002 coincided with The Sopranos' peak of popularity. 

So I think it's a little of "A and a little of "B." There were already mob elements in place, and Guza liked telling those stories, and this other show's zeitgeist moment emboldened him and other writers to devote more and more of the show to the mob. I think it also influenced the direction of Carly, who really turned into a Carmela type in the Tamara Braun years. 

When I look at the GH episode summaries from 1999, there was more of a mix. There was mob, but there were other things that didn't have anything to do with it. 

Now The Sopranos is long gone, but unfortunately, to a lot of remaining viewers, Sonny and the mob are the GH they know and expect.

The difference between then and now is that in past years, the mob/mafia/goon elements were portrayed and treated as the Bad Guys they were, and the police were viewed as the good guys and not key stone cops and were able to go after them and even get some thrown in jail. The mob was not the "moral" center of the show, as Guza's second and last turn, followed by all other show runners to the present, who continue to portray them as the "heroes" they so aren't.

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When the OLTL Three were hastily written out in 2013 because Prospect Park had the rights to the characters, did other characters mention any of them by name? I know that we had laughs over Carly's multiple frantic mentions of "Michael's girlfriend," but I can't remember if Todd and McBain got the same immediate un-personing. 

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On 5/24/2021 at 7:13 AM, Jaded said:

Who was the guy with long hair in that 2nd clip?
 

Det. Alexander Garcia, played by George Alvarez. He later played Father Ray Santos on Guiding Light.

Garcia was only a recurring character, but he DID have a clear crush on Lily pre-Clink! Boom. 

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On 5/28/2021 at 7:38 AM, Asp Burger said:

When the OLTL Three were hastily written out in 2013 because Prospect Park had the rights to the characters, did other characters mention any of them by name? I know that we had laughs over Carly's multiple frantic mentions of "Michael's girlfriend," but I can't remember if Todd and McBain got the same immediate un-personing. 

I don't think they did get mentioned by name again, but I could be wrong. I do remember a lot of talk of both PP and ABC being disallowed to mention their respective characters by name onscreen, which PP promptly violated by having Natalie (John's ex) mention Sam by name on OLTL 2.0, lol. (Todd alluded to Carly without mentioning her name.) The shows were good but PP management was never big on rules or the letter of the law.

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19 hours ago, UYI said:

Garcia was only a recurring character, but he DID have a clear crush on Lily pre-Clink! Boom. 

He was crossed over to Port Charles occasionally, I guess when Mac wasn't available or the writers weren't allowed/didn't want to use him. I remember him during the General Homicide storyline, generally being exasperated by Kevin's investigation.

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On 5/29/2021 at 8:23 PM, UYI said:

Det. Alexander Garcia, played by George Alvarez. He later played Father Ray Santos on Guiding Light.

Garcia was only a recurring character, but he DID have a clear crush on Lily pre-Clink! Boom. 

Thank you for answering! 

After looking him up I do remember his GL character even though I was far from a regular viewer. I remember seeing his picture in the soap mags during his GL days and thinking he was cute

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I finally found a playlist containing the original “Faison poisons Tiffany” storyline Here. There are a lot of missing/removed clips but the meat of the storyline is still there.  The poisoning storyline starts about halfway down the page with this clip.
 

Edit: Oops! It’s this one. The first one was just Faison threatening to deal with Sean and Tracy trying to get Sean to back off Paul Hornsby, who is a major player in this storyline. Here’s where things really begin.

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