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11 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

It might be that he has a Junior Burger and not the Big Mac he wishes he had?

But I thought guys with big noses had . . . 

And on the subject of Darcey and Jesse.  I'm wondering if Jesse got so angry because it's not the FIRST time Darcey was out drinking and he had to text her and ask where she was.  

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9 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

But I thought guys with big noses had . . . 

And on the subject of Darcey and Jesse.  I'm wondering if Jesse got so angry because it's not the FIRST time Darcey was out drinking and he had to text her and ask where she was.  

It's clearly her coping mechanism at the age of 42. When the going gets rough she reaches into her toolbox and finds the wine.

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Larry flies for 2 days, gets into his hotel room and flops on the bed to spoon Jenny?  No shower?  Gah.  Gross.

She is utterly not into him, and he doesn't see it.  "How about me, do you...like...do I... look like me...from the phone...."  Yes, love. 

For claiming to be so in love, they have nothing to talk about.  Like almost all of the couples. 

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2 minutes ago, greekmom said:

I forgot to ask, did anyone catch Jesse in black briefs under the robe? I was ewwww'ing!

At least have some decency and wear boxer briefs man.

This is a man who thinks balloons with blinking LEDs in them are the height of romance.  

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13 hours ago, Northernlights said:

What is with Abby and these creepy old dudes?  Yuck!  They both give me the willy's!  She seems to have it all together - it doesn't make sense.

She's padding her bank account.  They are her ticket out of Haiti.  She is very smart.  The iPad and MacBook are probably worth 2K combined.  The panties?  Not sure about that.  Is there a big market for panties in Haiti?  MAYBE...she is starting a "Golddigger Academy" in Haiti!  Colorful panties are included in the "Welcome" packet.

13 hours ago, shouldbedancing said:

My favorite part was when Larry was like, "You think the same things that I think!!!!" Duh! Jennie's merely repeating everything you say in an dull, bored voice as she awaits her plane ticket to America.

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13 minutes ago, greekmom said:

I forgot to ask, did anyone catch Jesse in black briefs under the robe? I was ewwww'ing!

As he was sitting there man-spreading in his flowery robe? Yeah, I caught that too. 

Abbey and Chris have much more chemistry than Abbey and Sean. I wonder what her answer will be to: "It's me or Chris." ?

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32 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

And it's creepy how she says 'yes love. No love'. 

Totally creepy!!  No emotion in those words and he looks so pleased when she she says she had not had sex with her previous boyfriends...(I call BS on that fact), btw, why would he ask that, you know he really does not want to hear the real answer and he had to know she would tell him what he wanted to hear.  

I loved Abby telling Chris "no lips." when she greeted him at the airport.  Sean is an idiot if he does not see what is in front of him.  Abby might be better off with Chris if he can afford to live in the DR for the winter and can fly to see Abby whenever the mood strikes.

Darcy's talk with Jesse's mother (AKA Betsy Johnson) seemed legit and Darcy should heed what she said.  Who didn't love the odd balloon action on the bed when Jesse was trying to make sexy time for Darcy?  Nothing like too much wine and a control freak to escalate any situation...who's bags were Jesse holding when he met up with Darcy in the hotel, hers?  

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46 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

I would be shocked if she has a boyfriend.  It's a ploy she's using after meeting Patrick because she's just not into him.  JMO.

 

That's what I am thinking too.  She probably liked playing the game of an online relationship, but didn't think Patrick would actually make good on his promise to fly to France.  Once he sprung the news he was coming (along with a camera crew) she decided to come up with the bf story.  She probably figured he would be really pissed and just do his own thing. She probably didn't figure he would say Yes to having her show him around "as friends".

I hate to say it but is Paul slightly mentally challenged? I have a family member who is and he mostly shows it by being easy to take advantage of, more emotionally than anything else.  Otherwise, he doesn't show it much. Jenny is definitely a player and maybe even a girl of the evening taking any opportunity that comes her way.  She calls everyone "Love" so she doesn't have to remember names. I do not think she cares about him AT ALL.

OMG, it is so apparent that Abbey is still seeing Chris and he is most likely supporting her financially.  He is smart enough to know there is no future and probably told her to go ahead and pursue the relationship with Sean and that he would back up her story about them now only being friends.  She was pretty adamant in her "talking" segment that she is not willing to give up her "friendship" with Chris....it is either because of his support, her feelings for him, or both.

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13 hours ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Darcey is a stage five clinger but Jesse really showed his true colors tonight, super controlling, his word is gospel, and he expect Darcey to fall in line with HIS wants and expectations. Super creepy and gross. I'm glad Darcey had the common sense to walk away and get her own hotel room. She should've done that from the start. Go home to your girls, Darcey!

OMG YES...Jesse "doesn't mind" if she has a SMALL GLASS OF WINE????  Oh I laughed so hard at that.....Darcey...go...home, get a good hair cut and don't ever let anyone tell you what you can and can't do.  

10 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

Conversations between Larry and  Jenny:

Larry: "I think that . . ." or "I want . . ." or "it's important to me that . . ."

Jenny: in a flat voice, "I agree, love."

Larry: "Wow! You agree with me on everything."

Yep, that's right Larry, you and Jenny are completely compatible, until the green card arrives in the mail. 

yes love..............no love..................yes love.................yes love.  Could Jenny's affect be any flatter, I mean it's sort of clear to me that she is repulsed by Larry.  Does Larry not get that sense?

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8 hours ago, SleepyAndClumsy said:

Mother Patrick should do the 90 Day reunion shows!

I love Mother Patrick also, but she brings common sense into this circus, which is what the producers DON'T WANT.   Producers don't want normal adults who have actually thought this out and don't make fool of themselves on a regular basis because that doesn't generate drama.   They prefer the Jorges and Anfisas, Muhammed and Danielle and Nicole from Florida.  This generates views and views sell commercials and commercials make money.  This is not a documentary about how does the visa process work, it's a reality DRAMA show and as such needs as much drama and BS as they can possibly generate.   A show with common sense and mature adults won't make you want to reach into the TV and want to choke someone.

I like how Mother Patrick speaks clearly what's on her mind and does not sugar coat it for the cameras.

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Myriam is not amused by Patrick's "spontaneity".  She basically thinks he's an American clown, one of those people who think that jumping around and being all "natural" is actually cute.  All the time Myriam is thinking, how much longer do I have to do this?   I'd also bet she already decided she will NOT sleep with him because she's not attracted to him the way Abby (Haiti) is in love and in lust with Chris.  There's something about the way people (women and men) smile and behave when they are closed to someone the love and want to be with.  Myriam is NOT into Patrick and the boyfriend is all a made up story by her or by the producers.

Darcey is one of those people who runs their life with a checklist:  
Business check. 
Kids, check.  
Husband, (let me travel to Europe to get an exotic one and rub it on my girlfriends (similar empty, desperate Suburban housewives)

If she'd shut up about the ring and Jesse's proposal, if she'd just try to have a good time with Jesse and try to enjoy herself, she'd be happier.   Darcey, you are in a great city, show Jesse the best of you and shut up about the effing ring!

Abby and Jenny are pros at this.  Jenny has not called Dumb Larry by his name once.  These couples don't have important conversations about family, health, education, future plans, it's all easily guessable bull$#it.   These girls are a dime a dozen and they know in their hearts who they are the men who fall for them.  Jesus please!!! Take the wheel!!!!

Abby + Sean + Chris....I'll sleep with Chris too.  I don't blame Abby.  But she's about to mess up her game by bringing Chris into the conversation.   Soon she'll regret doing so after month of work.  She'll think about all the panties and the other gifts Sean The Creep brought her and she'll realized the messed up.   If she's a real pro, she'll tell Chris to play the part and that she will continue seeing him on the side.  Sean will marry her and bring her to the US and then she will continue her thing with Chris.

Larry is a disgrace to men everywhere.

I wonder if the whole season is already recorded.  I also wonder if any of the participants read this forum.

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I'm getting the feeling this is called "Before the 90 Days" because not one of these couples are going to make it to the actual 90 day fiancee K-1 Visa living in the USA part. Not a single one of them.

Abby is all big smiles with Chris. Totally different demeanor than when she's around Sean. Gotta give Chris credit, though. He's not interested in a mail order bride at all. He just wants some young, no strings attached piece of ass when he spends his winters in the DR.! Too bad Abby wants the whole package. He must be a wild man in the bedroom because his face is hella scary.  He's the smartest one of the bunch of all these losers!

Darcy looks better without all the heavy makeup. Her long, fake nails are skeevy though. She needs a better nail tech along with a better hairdresser extension specialist. 

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5 minutes ago, nr65000 said:

OMG YES...Jesse "doesn't mind" if she has a SMALL GLASS OF WINE????  Oh I laughed so hard at that.....Darcey...go...home, get a good hair cut and don't ever let anyone tell you what you can and can't do.  

yes love..............no love..................yes love.................yes love.  Could Jenny's affect be any flatter, I mean it's sort of clear to me that she is repulsed by Larry.  Does Larry not get that sense?

He is in deep financially so he has to ignore all the red flags and go with "she loves me."  If he cleared out his 401K how will he pay for the visa process and show the powers that be that his is financially able to take care of Jenny?  

I kinda loved the awkward scene at the hotel front desk...something tells me that front desk person has seen Jenny with a few different men, her answer to the are you here on business or pleasure was so very pat, "for love," wink, wink.

Larry has not been with a women for 14 years and Jenny is desperate to get out to the US and probably thought sex would seal the deal so now she will have to do something else to earn that proposal.

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3 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm getting the feeling this is called "Before the 90 Days" because not one of these couples are going to make it to the actual 90 day fiancee K-1 Visa living in the USA part. Not a single one of them.

Abby is all big smiles with Chris. Totally different demeanor than when she's around Sean. Gotta give Chris credit, though. He's not interested in a mail order bride at all. He just wants some young, no strings attached piece of ass when he spends his winters in the DR.! Too bad Abby wants the whole package. He must be a wild man in the bedroom because his face is hella scary.  He's the smartest one of the bunch of all these losers!

Darcy looks better without all the heavy makeup. Her long, fake nails are skeevy though. She needs a better nail tech along with a better hairdresser extension specialist. 

Darcy is not the most advanced / modern / contemporary American woman people expect her to be.  One can be very good at business and not so good in sports.   Or very bad in school, and good in relationships.   Or good in bed and bad with money.    Don't assume that success in one part of life, automatically means success in ALL parts of life.

Darcy lives in a suburb of Connecticut.   Suburbs in America tend NOT to have the latest when it comes to products and services.

I am surprised that she's in the retail business, in clothing no less, yet dresses so poorly, and has zero clue how to play up her attributes and play down her "problem areas".    She needs a makeover pronto.

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11 minutes ago, AmyBre said:

Myriam is not amused by Patrick's "spontaneity".  She basically thinks he's an American clown, one of those people who think that jumping around and being all "natural" is actually cute.  All the time Myriam is thinking, how much longer do I have to do this?   I'd also bet she already decided she will NOT sleep with him because she's not attracted to him the way Abby (Haiti) is in love and in lust with Chris.  There's something about the way people (women and men) smile and behave when they are closed to someone the love and want to be with.  Myriam is NOT into Patrick and the boyfriend is all a made up story by her or by the producers.

Darcey is one of those people who runs their life with a checklist:  
Business check. 
Kids, check.  
Husband, (let me travel to Europe to get an exotic one and rub it on my girlfriends (similar empty, desperate Suburban housewives)

If she'd shut up about the ring and Jesse's proposal, if she'd just try to have a good time with Jesse and try to enjoy herself, she'd be happier.   Darcey, you are in a great city, show Jesse the best of you and shut up about the effing ring!

Abby and Jenny are pros at this.  Jenny has not called Dumb Larry by his name once.  These couples don't have important conversations about family, health, education, future plans, it's all easily guessable bull$#it.   These girls are a dime a dozen and they know in their hearts who they are the men who fall for them.  Jesus please!!! Take the wheel!!!!

Abby + Sean + Chris....I'll sleep with Chris too.  I don't blame Abby.  But she's about to mess up her game by bringing Chris into the conversation.   Soon she'll regret doing so after month of work.  She'll think about all the panties and the other gifts Sean The Creep brought her and she'll realized the messed up.   If she's a real pro, she'll tell Chris to play the part and that she will continue seeing him on the side.  Sean will marry her and bring her to the US and then she will continue her thing with Chris.

Larry is a disgrace to men everywhere.

I wonder if the whole season is already recorded.  I also wonder if any of the participants read this forum.

100% YES TO ALL OF THIS!!!

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58 minutes ago, Kangatush said:

This is a man who thinks balloons with blinking LEDs in them are the height of romance.  

I think "balloons" are something they spoke of before meeting in person.  When Jesse removes Darcy's blindfold, she mentions "you got balloons!"  Immature 42 year old Darcy likes balloons....shocker!

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Just now, AmyBre said:

Darcy lives in a suburb of Connecticut.   Suburbs in America tend NOT to have the latest when it comes to products and services.

Not true at all. It depends on the State you live in.  Darcy lives about an hour outside of NYC in CT. I'm sure there are many nail and hair salons that are up to date with the latest trends and know how to professionally apply their services. Darcy just likes what she likes because she thinks it makes her look young and sexy. No, Darcy, it doesn't. 

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1 minute ago, bichonblitz said:

Not true at all. It depends on the State you live in.  Darcy lives about an hour outside of NYC in CT. I'm sure there are many nail and hair salons that are up to date with the latest trends and know how to professionally apply their services. Darcy just likes what she likes because she thinks it makes her look young and sexy. No, Darcy, it doesn't. 

Let me rephrase what I said......Suburbs in America tend NOT to have AS MANY  of the latest products and services, as readily available as large cities do.   By her reaction to many things and her demeanor around people, I get the feeling the Darcy lives a very suburban and closeted life.

By the way, Connecticut and New Jersey can be worlds apart from New York City.   Even certain parts of New York State are ages behind.   

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Patrick's mom reminds me so much of my wife's best friend, same voice and everything, and her friend would have said the exact same thing.  I love his mom.  I was hoping Patrick would retain what was left of his dignity and spend the rest of his time in Paris on his own, but figured that wouldn't happen.  He's delusional, thinking he can win Myriam over while she says repeatedly in her interview that he is friend zoned.  And she continues to dress nice and sexy for her confessional time while dressing down for Patrick.  He talks about chemistry but sorry, the only chemistry coming from her is, you're a fun pal to go on field trips with.  The whole "put on my big boy pants" is a bunch of baloney. She misrepresented herself to you, dude.  You should have put on your big boy pants and told her if she's looking for a friend then find one in Paris and not across the ocean.

Jesse is more controlling than I thought.  Telling the producer that Darcy needs to come home "NOW" is pretty bad.  Why is he even calling the producer?  Darcy is immature for her age, but this guy is worse than I had believed.  She needs to end this fantasy and go back home to her daughters.  Find a guy closer to her age and life experience.

It's actually embarrassing watching Chris and Sean with this manipulative girl.  And weird.  And gross.  I agree that Chris is the smart one.  That's about the best compliment I can give anyone on this show.

"No love, I am 24 years old and have dated many American men but have never had sex."  Eeeeeeeeeokay.

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I've been out of the game for a while but can people kiss in the lips and just be friends?  No tongue, just kisses when they greet each other, all on the lips and with eyes closed?

I don't think I'd be OK with my partner kissing friends smack in the lips.

Jesus Take The Wheel!!!!  Please!!!

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4 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Abby is in way over her head. She is not experienced enough in the Ways of Courtesan to be in control of this situation. It's Chris she wants. But she wants out of Haiti and wants Chris to take her. He's happy with things the way they are, so she's trying to fake him out and say "I'll marry Sean then". But neither Chris nor Sean is playing the game the way she expects. She's too awkward and bumbling, she's showing her cards. Things aren't going to go the way she wants. 

You said this so much better than I could, it was exactly what I was thinking. She has no idea what she’s doing.

1 hour ago, Lesia said:

Larry flies for 2 days, gets into his hotel room and flops on the bed to spoon Jenny?  No shower?  Gah.  Gross.

She is utterly not into him, and he doesn't see it.  "How about me, do you...like...do I... look like me...from the phone...."  Yes, love. 

For claiming to be so in love, they have nothing to talk about.  Like almost all of the couples. 

Yeah... I could smell him from here. Just because she calls him “Love” doesn’t mean she loves him. I wish someone would buy Larry a clue or two.

Paul.....

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Patrick has seen too many romantic comedies. He thinks he's going to win Miriam away from her boyfriend by being a manic pixie dream boy who will teach her how to laugh and love and LIVE. Good luck with that Patrick. And no. Not going to happen. 

I know its been said countless times. But Darcey would be so much prettier if she hadn't ruined her face with fillers, if she kept her nails more natural, if she'd step away from the bronzer, the hair extensions, and the clothes from the junior department that would be more suitable for her teenage daughters. Never mind trying to hook a 20-something hottie. And she wants to have another baby!!? She's chasing a dream of lost youth instead of living her life. 42 is hardly over the hill. 

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2 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Patrick has seen too many romantic comedies. He thinks he's going to win Miriam away from her boyfriend by being a manic pixie dream boy who will teach her how to laugh and love and LIVE. Good luck with that Patrick. And no. Not going to happen.

I can't help but root for Patrick...I think he's a a good person and I also think he's very attractive.  He's the only one of these 90 dayers that I have some sympathy for.  I think Myriam is pretty but not out of his league and I don't think he was delusional in coming to Paris to meet someone who claimed they cared about him.  

4 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I know its been said countless times. But Darcey would be so much prettier if she hadn't ruined her face with fillers, if she kept her nails more natural, if she'd step away from the bronzer, the hair extensions, and the clothes from the junior department that would be more suitable for her teenage daughters. Never mind trying to hook a 20-something hottie. And she wants to have another baby!!? She's chasing a dream of lost youth instead of living her life. 42 is hardly over the hill. 

There were moments last night when I thought (for the first time) that she actually looked quite lovely.  She really is gilding the lily and maybe she'll figure that out.  42 is hardly old and dressing appropriately for her age would (imho) make her look decades younger and fresher than trying to look like she's still 20.  She needs a week with Stacy and Clinton....

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1 hour ago, nr65000 said:

OMG YES...Jesse "doesn't mind" if she has a SMALL GLASS OF WINE????  Oh I laughed so hard at that.....Darcey...go...home, get a good hair cut and don't ever let anyone tell you what you can and can't do.  

yes love..............no love..................yes love.................yes love.  Could Jenny's affect be any flatter, I mean it's sort of clear to me that she is repulsed by Larry.  Does Larry not get that sense?

Jenny is just dead inside. Larry is just stupid for letting himself go without for 14 freaking years. Geez.  You could have saved some money and gotten a high class hooker from time to time and saved your freaking 401(k) for ummmm retirement?!

1 hour ago, AmyBre said:

Darcey is one of those people who runs their life with a checklist:  
Business check. 
Kids, check.  
Husband, (let me travel to Europe to get an exotic one and rub it on my girlfriends (similar empty, desperate Suburban housewives)

If she'd shut up about the ring and Jesse's proposal, if she'd just try to have a good time with Jesse and try to enjoy herself, she'd be happier.   Darcey, you are in a great city, show Jesse the best of you and shut up about the effing ring!

 

I wonder if the whole season is already recorded.  I also wonder if any of the participants read this forum.

Darcy must think she is Demi Moore.  But even Ashton Kutcher only hung on for so long before he moved on.  Hey it's ok to have a side piece and really if she had a boy toy in the States somewhere nearby and had her fun but kept him separate from her "real life", I could respect that.  But the girl is as dumb as rocks and looking for a ring and a wedding. For gawds sake Darcy - get over it. Wait till your girls get married and be momzilla then.

I wonder if these people read the forums as well. 

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1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm getting the feeling this is called "Before the 90 Days" because not one of these couples are going to make it to the actual 90 day fiancee K-1 Visa living in the USA part. Not a single one of them.

Abby is all big smiles with Chris. Totally different demeanor than when she's around Sean. Gotta give Chris credit, though. He's not interested in a mail order bride at all. He just wants some young, no strings attached piece of ass when he spends his winters in the DR.! Too bad Abby wants the whole package. He must be a wild man in the bedroom because his face is hella scary.  He's the smartest one of the bunch of all these losers!

Darcy looks better without all the heavy makeup. Her long, fake nails are skeevy though. She needs a better nail tech along with a better hairdresser extension specialist. 

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So why do we think Chris is participating in this show? Agreeing to meet Sean?  

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I do feel sad for Larry spending his 401K on that expensive hotel and that dead-eyed girl who doesn't really want to be with him.

Also, he probably paid full price for the rooms whereas most people who stay places like that on a regular basis get rooms at some kind of discounted rate. Of course that's trivial compared to his other problem.

Maybe Jenny will just be grateful to Larry for getting her the heck out of there, but I doubt it. She's been trained to not see such men as people. She'll tell him whatever he wants to hear.

Poor Larry. If he really feels like the women in his life left him because of his sexual performance, oh, poor Larry!

Abby still has some light in her eyes, but Jenny probably had hers snuffed out before she was old enough to realize it. It's really sad.

Larry's stumbled into a whole world of hurt.

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Jesse is more controlling than I thought.  Telling the producer that Darcy needs to come home "NOW" is pretty bad.  Why is he even calling the producer?  Darcy is immature for her age, but this guy is worse than I had believed. 

Actually that scene showed the producer calling HIM and then he gives a recap of what happened AFTER the crew left the apartment the night before. Apparently after he ordered her to bed (which we saw) they continued to argue and she left. He categorized it as her crawling around drunk in the bushes and refusing to respond to his texts. That's probably correct to a certain extent - but CLEARLY she then contacted the crew who brought her back to whatever hotel they're all staying in and got her a room. I absolutely see both sides of this. I think she was definitely drunk AF by the time she got home - she's saying disjointed things in annoying ways and she does nothing to endear herself to anyone with this behavior. She's like the annoying friend you have to take care of on girls night out.  I also think he's a controlling asshole. I'd give him a pass for being obviously pissed and over the top sanctimonious (a small glass of wine is ok?) since Darcey was being that annoying drunk, but the way he made proclamations not requests, added to the fact that he straight up said to the producer "and when I said now I meant NOW." He's not just controlling, he's either oblivious to be controlling or doesn't thing that attitude is wrong.

Now, having said all that, I personally think that he's essentially using her for modeling. The line she and her sister have is essentially leggings - he may think she has some in for male athletic wear modeling maybe? As for Darcey - she's a damn wanderer in the desert she's so thirsty.  But also, I've seen at least 5 mentions of her stupid label on this thread, so maybe she's savvier than we're giving her credit for.

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10 minutes ago, itsadryheat said:

So why do we think Chris is participating in this show? Agreeing to meet Sean?  

That's what I want to know!! What's his agenda?? He absolutely likes Abby a lot and I get that he probably doesn't want to commit so Abby tried to find someone else - by why is he ok with her trying to find a husband? And I think Abby likes him more because 1. he obviously has money if he 'winters' in the DR and 2. he's obviously more confident in himself (probably a little too much) and he's probably way more fun.  Abby probably gets free trips to the DR all the time. But why is Chris ok with all of this?????

At first I thought maybe it was because Sean was sending her all kinds of stuff to make money and maybe Chris was benefiting from that as well but he probably has more money than Sean. 

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When I see Abby with those creepy skeevy old guys all I can think about is the wealthy John McAfee and his beautiful island girls and his penchant  for scat sex. 

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27 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Abby probably gets free trips to the DR all the time. But why is Chris ok with all of this?????

Because Chris isn't in love. He's in lust. Each and every time he "winters' in the DR! Who knows what he has going on back home. Or where ever else he vacations. 

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15 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I noticed that, too.  I laughed my happity ass off when I heard Mother Patrick say that.

I love love love  how the fans of this show are now speaking Pedro.  You should see the side eye I get from the hubs when I say Family Chantal, Mother Patrick...?

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8 hours ago, bref said:

Paul's splay-footed run-off into the woods from the preview is a sight that will haunt me until next week. My GOD, that man is the opposite of everything attractive. 

It reminded me of that episode of "friends" where Phoebe takes up running, and Rachel is embarrassed to be seen with her. 

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2 minutes ago, NinaH said:

It reminded me of that episode of "friends" where Phoebe takes up running, and Rachel is embarrassed to be seen with her. 

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2 hours ago, AmyBre said:

Let me rephrase what I said......Suburbs in America tend NOT to have AS MANY  of the latest products and services, as readily available as large cities do.   By her reaction to many things and her demeanor around people, I get the feeling the Darcy lives a very suburban and closeted life.

I would continue to disagree with this, sorry, but with today's internet, any okie finokie can live in a suburb in the US and have access to just about anything they want via the internet and next day shipping. Also, if DUHrcie is in the schmata biz, she has to go into NYC often and interact with folks there. I'm not buying she's a sheltered suburban kind of gal in any way. She live in CT, which is part of the Tri-State area of CT/NJ/NY and while yes, there are very rural areas in all three states, if you're in the apparel industry, which she is, she aint sheltered. She's just a skanky, desperate long in the tooth lady who thinks a 'hot younger guy' will up her self worth. But make no mistake, she isn't sheltered, girl just has bad taste. or bad smell, in the case of Jesse, Mr. Pheremone.

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3 hours ago, AmyBre said:

I like how Mother Patrick speaks clearly what's on her mind and does not sugar coat it for the cameras.

What I didn't get is why Patrick left his hotel room and walked down the block, stopping on a public street to video chat, but insisted his mother go into a room by herself at home before he spilled the Myriam beans? Are you alone, are you by yourself? It wasn't NEARLY that dramatic of a phone conversation.

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If Darcy is using the program to promote her company she's doing it wrong because it's not being done in a positive light or at moments you want to remember that product.   She's obviously not a professional marketer and the producers are complying with her request to show off her brand in exchange for her sorry ass participation.

 

If Jesse is using Darcy in hopes of landing a modeling job through Darcy's clothing company, he's approaching it very badly.   He should have shut down that talk of ring and engagement and sell himself as a Darcy's Fun Boy Boy Toy.  If you are going to mess with your boss make sure you have a way out that does not leave your boss upset OR make sure you discuss in advance that it's just a play thing, that way no one ends up disillusioned.    Jesse, learn from Myriam, shut it down before it went deeper, albeit still wrong because Myriam could have done it before dumb Patrick got on his plane.

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I don't know anything about the sex trade, but I wonder if Chris is a pimp or something along that line? Abby is very smitten, but it seems odd to me that she and this 60+ just randomly met and got into a hot and heavy relationship.

See, I think little Miss Abby was a pro, and possibly working over in the DR in the sex industry. I think Chris was a customer, who probably paid to have her as a "girlfriend" over one of his winter visits. He doesn't want to marry her, or bring her to US, but he doesn't mind her company for a few months, and can afford to pay her. This would also explain the bizarre conversation Abby and Sean had with her parents. I think they were generally concerned that she would be in the same situation she was with Chris, and wanted to confirm that Sean had different intentions. 

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Jenny has a huge problem.   Usually girls in that trade, use sex to trap their marks and get money and gifts from them (as Abby is doing with both Chris and Sean).  Larry hasn't had sex and doesn't seem to be interested in sex (big red flag).   This presents an issue for Jenny since she's not very interesting or charming and she's not very smart either.   In the absence of these basic attributes, how does a girl trap a guy in a couple of weeks?   

In 2017, I don't know how Danielle and Mohammed, Nicole and that other guy from Morocco and other couples get married without having intimacy?  I'm not talking about sex -- which should also be part of the package -- but intimacy.   Intimacy is going to sleep with my leg on top of yours or yours on top of mine.  Intimacy is playing with someone's hair until you (or they) fall asleep.  Intimacy is sharing our fears and our plans for the future.

This question assumes common sense and reasoning, which Larry has already indicated he completely lacks.

This show and this forum are drastically cutting down my productivity at work.

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5 hours ago, CoachWristletJen said:

Does anyone think Chris looks a bit like Don Knotts?

I think he looks like Gary Shandling (oops I see IslandGal beat me to it!) 

Are we sure those are even Larry's kids?  He acts like he's never even had a girlfriend before, let alone have sex.  

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28 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

I think the first four words are enough, poor thing.

Larry's problem may be traced to a medical condition.  I think it's mostly psychological; he might be one of those guys who completely clings to relationships and when they fizzle they get clinically depressed.  I just don't want to exclude the medical/physical aspect possibility.   His personal hygiene is also of concern.  I don't care if you lost your luggage and lost it all, but you are there to supposedly be with the "Love of your Life" Jenny, then please make an effort and shower and get out of those clothes.   

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"In 2017, I don't know how Danielle and Mohammed, Nicole and that other guy from Morocco and other couples get married without having intimacy?  I'm not talking about sex -- which should also be part of the package -- but intimacy.   Intimacy is going to sleep with my leg on top of yours or yours on top of mine.  Intimacy is playing with someone's hair until you (or they) fall asleep.  Intimacy is sharing our fears and our plans for the future."

 

I love this.  It's so true. NONE of these couples has intimacy of any kind. 

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3 hours ago, AmyBre said:

I've been out of the game for a while but can people kiss in the lips and just be friends?  No tongue, just kisses when they greet each other, all on the lips and with eyes closed?

I don't think I'd be OK with my partner kissing friends smack in the lips.

Jesus Take The Wheel!!!!  Please!!!

People can peck friends on the lips.  But it's super weird if friends of the opposite sex, whom you had previously dated, keep commenting on your looks.  Plus I think Abby has known both guys around the same amount of time (a few months).  Now I love my friends, but I'm not fighting so hard for such a short term friend if I don't feel romantic.

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4 hours ago, AmyBre said:

Myriam is not amused by Patrick's "spontaneity".  She basically thinks he's an American clown, one of those people who think that jumping around and being all "natural" is actually cute.  All the time Myriam is thinking, how much longer do I have to do this?   I'd also bet she already decided she will NOT sleep with him because she's not attracted to him the way Abby (Haiti) is in love and in lust with Chris.  There's something about the way people (women and men) smile and behave when they are closed to someone the love and want to be with.  Myriam is NOT into Patrick and the boyfriend is all a made up story by her or by the producers.

Darcey is one of those people who runs their life with a checklist:  
Business check. 
Kids, check.  
Husband, (let me travel to Europe to get an exotic one and rub it on my girlfriends (similar empty, desperate Suburban housewives)

If she'd shut up about the ring and Jesse's proposal, if she'd just try to have a good time with Jesse and try to enjoy herself, she'd be happier.   Darcey, you are in a great city, show Jesse the best of you and shut up about the effing ring!

Abby and Jenny are pros at this.  Jenny has not called Dumb Larry by his name once.  These couples don't have important conversations about family, health, education, future plans, it's all easily guessable bull$#it.   These girls are a dime a dozen and they know in their hearts who they are the men who fall for them.  Jesus please!!! Take the wheel!!!!

Abby + Sean + Chris....I'll sleep with Chris too.  I don't blame Abby.  But she's about to mess up her game by bringing Chris into the conversation.   Soon she'll regret doing so after month of work.  She'll think about all the panties and the other gifts Sean The Creep brought her and she'll realized the messed up.   If she's a real pro, she'll tell Chris to play the part and that she will continue seeing him on the side.  Sean will marry her and bring her to the US and then she will continue her thing with Chris.

Larry is a disgrace to men everywhere.

I wonder if the whole season is already recorded.  I also wonder if any of the participants read this forum.

And another emphatic Yes! to everything above.  Very insightful post.

I'll add another thought.  Jenny gives off a vibe that suggests she possesses a more sinister side as opposed to Abby, who seems to be more of a novice at this game.  Jenny makes me shudder - the way she speaks, the way she looks at Larry (as though he is nothing more than some deformed object that she hasn't yet figured out how to operate).  

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6 minutes ago, Lesia said:

I love this.  It's so true. NONE of these couples has intimacy of any kind. 

True and long lasting relationships take months and most times years to solidify and lead into marriages.   These people are travelling into countries they've never been to, meeting people they haven't as much as had coffee with before, expecting to propose marriage or get engaged in less than a month.    Something is off.   

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48 minutes ago, AmyBre said:

 In the absence of these basic attributes, how does a girl trap a guy in a couple of weeks?   

 

 

Pretty sure willing and breathing are attributes enough in this case. And they're probably negotiable.

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54 minutes ago, AmyBre said:

If Darcy is using the program to promote her company she's doing it wrong because it's not being done in a positive light or at moments you want to remember that product.   She's obviously not a professional marketer and the producers are complying with her request to show off her brand in exchange for her sorry ass participation.

 

If Jesse is using Darcy in hopes of landing a modeling job through Darcy's clothing company, he's approaching it very badly.   He should have shut down that talk of ring and engagement and sell himself as a Darcy's Fun Boy Boy Toy.  If you are going to mess with your boss make sure you have a way out that does not leave your boss upset OR make sure you discuss in advance that it's just a play thing, that way no one ends up disillusioned.    Jesse, learn from Myriam, shut it down before it went deeper, albeit still wrong because Myriam could have done it before dumb Patrick got on his plane.

It just occurred to me that Jesse's wearing the Ale 8 or House of 7-11's branding on his back on the morning he drops off Darcy's bags at the hotel might have been the ultimate act of passive-aggressiveness. There she is, no make up, a completely volatile, hungover emotional wreck: HOUSE OF 11's.

He is seriously passive-aggressive and maybe more Christian Grey than we initially thought (not just the two-dimensional personality).

I don't think a modeling gig for her store would be exactly big time. He seems to get other gigs in Amsterdam. So, I'm still baffled as to what he really sees in her.   

Jesse's mom really knew how to bide her time, didn't she? On the first day, she didn't jump in there and yell, "Stay away from my son's d*ck, you harpy!"

Instead, she knew how to bide her time. Then she waited for the right moment to break her soul by basically letting her know, "You'll never have him."

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