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Reza discovers that Mike is not officially divorced; the Shahs try to put their differences aside as they head to a homeless shelter; Shervin and Asa have separate Thanksgiving dinners.

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STFU, Asa, is not a victim.  She's a bullshit artist who thinks she's the first woman in the universe to get pregnant.

I also think Andy Cohen doesn't like her, especially after she acted like a common fool last week on WWHL.

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13 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

STFU, Asa, is not a victim.  She's a bullshit artist who thinks she's the first woman in the universe to get pregnant.

I also think Andy Cohen doesn't like her, especially after she acted like a common fool last week on WWHL.

I am so tired of her act. She even says that because Jermaine wants to keep things private the others should just respect it and leave her alone! She really expects them to protect her privacy even though she was calling them out about not sharing theirs at the last reunion. 

I guess the "Fashion Queens" are on WWHL, or Andy is showing something from them, about Asa's caftans, he might be as tired of her as some of us are. LOL

edited to correct that the FQs are on WWHL tonight, not the crew from the FP. LOL

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So basically Asa and mj had invetro at the same time. Now mj is mad because Asa didn't want to tell mj about it.

I have two words for this Who Cares.

Asa can do what she wants, but people can feel how they want about that

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When Asa was on WWHL, she was trash talking MJ, while being spiritual of course; then she dropped a bunch of F bombs.  Andy reminded Asa that they were on "live" TV.  It was also funny when the viewers took MJ's side over Asa's, and Asa was in the studio.

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3 minutes ago, tinaw said:

So basically Asa and mj had invetro at the same time. Now mj is mad because Asa didn't want to tell mj about it.

I have two words for this Who Cares.

Asa can do what she wants, but people can feel how they want about that

No, not really. Asa grilled MJ about egg retrieval/freezing as if she had no idea about the procedure when in fact she was doing it at the same time. MJ didn't volunteer the info, Asa went to her and asked all about it failing to share that she was doing the same dang thing at the same dang time with the same dang Dr.

Oh, and only Asa had invetro, despite her claims otherwise, MJ only had her eggs frozen. Asa had her eggs fertilized, then had the embryos frozen and finally had some implanted. Asa is a liar.

1 minute ago, Neurochick said:

When Asa was on WWHL, she was trash talking MJ, while being spiritual of course; then she dropped a bunch of F bombs.  Andy reminded Asa that they were on "live" TV.  It was also funny when the viewers took MJ's side over Asa's, and Asa was in the studio.

She really let her true colors show that night. She rarely swears on the show as if it is something she never does, this it is beneath her, but boy did those F bombs roll off her tongue with ease. She is such a fake!

11 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Asa is an absolutely horrible person.  "Jermaine is such a private person, I respect his wishes and don't discuss our private life.  On this reality show I apparently won't give up.  Why, I would never have discussed my pregnancy had I not been the first woman to ever have experienced it.  Speaking of my pregnancy, I have to pee constantly and eat.  I am also required, because of my pregnancy, to interrupt everyone and be incredibly rude.  Since I'm pregnant, I might as well mention, no one treats me very well because they don't understand pregnancy.  Like I am.  Pregnant, I mean.  Yes, it's true.  I'm pregnant.  Pregnant and private.  Don't ask me about it.  I won't discuss it.  To clarify, my pregnancy is not an acceptable topic of conversation.  Send me gifts."

How dare they not keep her held high in a plush gold chair suspended on their backs while some of them feed her food 24/7, How Dare They, she is PREGNANT after all! LOL

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I thought MJ only had her eggs harvested and Frozen.  Asa said her and Jermaine had several frozen embryos.  Tonight Asa said they both ad IVF at the same time.  I never heard that MJ had a failed IVF attempt. 

i am curious and conflicted about the frozen embryos.  It must be very difficult to decide what to do with them when you no longer want another child.   Legally what happens in event of Asa's death.  Could Jermaine have them implanted into other women.  The next Jackson 5 perhaps.  Who knows what that goofy family might do with them?

GG's parents seem so sweet.  I love the way Mike and Shervin are always watching out for MJ and GG.

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MJ's outfit: I could possibly have traumatic reactions to anything that is the color red FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. 

I was genuinely happy for GG when she received her hearing aids.

For some reason, although a bit messy, I like Mike being the voice of reason to everyone. 

Golnessa & Leila have some deeeeeeeep issues. I do believe GG is truly working on herself in a positive way. 

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4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

No, not really. Asa grilled MJ about egg retrieval/freezing as if she had no idea about the procedure when in fact she was doing it at the same time. MJ didn't volunteer the info, Asa went to her and asked all about it failing to share that she was doing the same dang thing at the same dang time with the same dang Dr.

Oh, and only Asa had invetro, despite her claims otherwise, MJ only had her eggs frozen. Asa had her eggs fertilized, then had the embryos frozen and finally had some implanted. Asa is a liar.

She really let her true colors show that night. She rarely swears on the show as if it is something she never does, this it is beneath her, but boy did those F bombs roll off her tongue with ease. She is such a fake!

How dare they not keep her held high in a plush gold chair suspended on their backs while some of them feed her food 24/7, How Dare They, she is PREGNANT after all! LOL

Is Asa pregnant?  I thought she had the flu.

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1 minute ago, Emmeline said:

I thought MJ only had her eggs harvested and Frozen.  Asa said her and Jermaine had several frozen embryos.  Tonight Asa said they both ad IVF at the same time.  I never heard that MJ had a failed IVF attempt. 

i am curious and conflicted about the frozen embryos.  It must be very difficult to decide what to do with them when you no longer want another child.   Legally what happens in event of Asa's death.  Could Jermaine have them implanted into other women.  The next Jackson 5 perhaps.  Who knows what that goofy family might do with them?

This is Asa trying to deflect her lies onto MJ. MJ only had her eggs frozen, it was Asa that had her eggs fertilized, frozen and then implanted. 

I agree, there is a big question as to what happens with any embryos not used. 

3 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Is Asa pregnant?  I thought she had the flu.

I know, I just happened to figure it out because she has been so quiet/secretive about it! LOL

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Do people really get in to screaming matches when they are invited guests at a holiday dinner? GG is a piece of work but she was trying to keep it together.  Her sister was wayyyy out of line. Just shut up about the hate and jealousy you have for your sister and be cordial, Leila. You're in somebody else's home, not your parents home where they put up with that crap. 

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Wasn't it mj last season that complained about Asa and others not communicating?

Asa is being annoying aboit being pregnant and acting like no one has ever been pregnant before. I still can't blame her for not trusting mj. 

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I'm going to confess now that I cried when GG got her hearing aides. Ugh tore my Cold black heart up.

i would much rather have been at Shervin's house for thanksgiving than with Asa's family. Asa is just a stone cold bitch. Maybe the oh so private me Jermaine Jackson can convince her to get off this show.

so Reza lets the cat out of the bag and Asa still turns it into MJ's fault. 

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13 minutes ago, tinaw said:

Wasn't it mj last season that complained about Asa and others not communicating?

Asa is being annoying aboit being pregnant and acting like no one has ever been pregnant before. I still can't blame her for not trusting mj. 

No, it was Asa calling out both Mike and MJ about them not being honest/open about their real lives. Asa got mad at MJ for something Veda said about Asa on WWHL because MJ didn't berate her mother right there and then on camera for calling out Asa. She, Asa, was upset that Mike didn't own up to cheating on Jessica last season. Funny, Asa was pregnant at the reunion but didn't tell anyone, not even Reza, which means that she wasn't open/honest about her real life either, which is what they are trying to point out to her this season. Asa expects loyalty from all of them but gives no loyalty to any of them and she expects them to tell her all the details of their lives (both on and off camera) but refuses to do the same with them. 

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I like GG's parents (eh, except for Vida, I like all the parents), so tonight's sister-fight had me cringing on their behalf.  

Ohhh Leila! If you're showing up to make your dad happy, then STFU & make your dad happy!  You can pound GG into the ground *after* you leave.

And I co-sign @bichonblitz: you're an invited guest at someone else's house, ffs.  After. You. Leave!

Happier note: when GG's dad grabbed his wife in that moment when their daughter got hearing aids.  I almost bawled.

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14 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I wonder if you can get college credits for that blow job seminar.

Maybe at Ball State University???  

But seriously . . . So GG is transformed by being able to hear well at last.  (I admit I teared up a little, too.)  And then she goes on to show her new, improved self by first taking Annalise outside to bring up the whole cheating thing.  Because . . . Thanksgiving.  Who wouldn't?  And then gives the most hostile toast I've ever heard.  Leila didn't come into the house spoiling for a fight, but GG made sure there was going to be one.  Because . . . Thanksgiving.  That's how you do Thanksgiving, I guess.

Also, I understand being private and not wanting to be on a reality show.  But your partner is eight months pregnant.  (Really?  She's pregnant?)  And again, it's Thanksgiving.  Jermaine really needs to get over himself.  He's how many generations away from the Jacksons we actually cared about?  (To be honest, Michael and Janet are the only ones were truly cared about.)  And you're so special you can't be with your ready-to-pop girlfriend and your almost-baby because you're Jermaine Jackson XVII or whatever.  I mean, Asa is a kvetch and a phony and a snake, but you picked her.  Plus, this is where she gets her paycheck.  So show up one time, you self-important fool.  I guess they're a good fit in at least that way.

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23 minutes ago, voiceover said:

I like GG's parents (eh, except for Vida, I like all the parents), so tonight's sister-fight had me cringing on their behalf.  

Ohhh Leila! If you're showing up to make your dad happy, then STFU & make your dad happy!  You can pound GG into the ground *after* you leave.

And I co-sign @bichonblitz: you're an invited guest at someone else's house, ffs.  After. You. Leave!

Happier note: when GG's dad grabbed his wife in that moment when their daughter got hearing aids.  I almost bawled.

Leila is allegedly the one with it together, but was an unhinged ill-mannered ass at Thanksgiving. It should have been obvious to her to zip it. But she's also the lawyer who seems to have to stopped lawyering so she can be a z-list celeb. I don't know why I expect sense or decorum from any of these people.

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2 minutes ago, Mondrianyone said:

Maybe at Ball State University???  

But seriously . . . So GG is transformed by being able to hear well at last.  (I admit I teared up a little, too.)  And then she goes on to show her new, improved self by first taking Annalise outside to bring up the whole cheating thing.  Because . . . Thanksgiving.  Who wouldn't?  And then gives the most hostile toast I've ever heard.  Leila didn't come into the house spoiling for a fight, but GG made sure there was going to be one.  Because . . . Thanksgiving.  That's how you do Thanksgiving, I guess.

Also, I understand being private and not wanting to be on a reality show.  But your partner is eight months pregnant.  (Really?  She's pregnant?)  And again, it's Thanksgiving.  Jermaine really needs to get over himself.  He's how many generations away from the Jacksons we actually cared about?  (To be honest, Michael and Janet are the only ones were truly cared about.)  And you're so special you can't be with your ready-to-pop girlfriend and your almost-baby because you're Jermaine Jackson XVII or whatever.  I mean, Asa is a kvetch and a phony and a snake, but you picked her.  Plus, this is where she gets her paycheck.  So show up one time, you self-important fool.  I guess they're a good fit in at least that way.

I agree that Jermaine XVII thinks people care more about him than they do.  It's not like he's Tito XVII.

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Amongst my many bad parenting choices, my 15 year old son and I watch a lot of Bravo together. He's hearing impaired and is going through a phase where he doesn't want to wear his hearing aids (he's had them since he was 5 and it's only been an issue this past year). I kept pausing the tv to discuss what GG was saying moment by moment---"wow, she had trouble in school because she didn't wear hearing aids". "Oh, she's had trouble socially for a long time since she's been isolated by not clearly hearing what people are saying." Finally "seriously kid, do you want to end up like GG?" The last one is unfair of me because I do think she's trying to improve herself.

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2 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I thought MJ only had her eggs harvested and Frozen.  Asa said her and Jermaine had several frozen embryos.  Tonight Asa said they both ad IVF at the same time.  I never heard that MJ had a failed IVF attempt. 

i am curious and conflicted about the frozen embryos.  It must be very difficult to decide what to do with them when you no longer want another child.   Legally what happens in event of Asa's death.  Could Jermaine have them implanted into other women.  The next Jackson 5 perhaps.  Who knows what that goofy family might do with them?

GG's parents seem so sweet.  I love the way Mike and Shervin are always watching out for MJ and GG.

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Love them! They are a cute couple who seem to really like each other. Wish they more prominent on the show. Very interesting back story. Received degrees in Iran, then came to CA for advanced degrees. 

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I think we should start a Go Fund Me page for a stylist for MJ.

Ouch, that red one-piece old underwear jumpsuit thing. Was looking for the flap on the butt.

Shah's version of Vickie.

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4 minutes ago, itsadryheat said:

I think we should start a Go Fund Me page for a stylist for MJ.

Ouch, that red one-piece old underwear jumpsuit thing. Was looking for the flap on the butt.

Shah's version of Vickie.

True! LOL They both buy their clothes from the clearance rack at Fredrick's of Hollywood! LOL 

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I find everyone's dislike of Asa so interesting. Regardless of her baby lies I can't find it in myself to care that she didn't tell them the truth. The ones she actually likes still get caught up in baby bastard talk, and then there's psycho ass MJ who would have been pissed no matter how Asa became pregnant.

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9 minutes ago, Watermelon said:

I find everyone's dislike of Asa so interesting. Regardless of her baby lies I can't find it in myself to care that she didn't tell them the truth. The ones she actually likes still get caught up in baby bastard talk, and then there's psycho ass MJ who would have been pissed no matter how Asa became pregnant.

The problem is that Asa called out the others for not being open/honest about their lives on the show but she is the most secretive of them all. Asa is a hypocrite and she is mean to the bone, just like her bf Reza. Oh, and we have Reza to thank for the jealous fighting between Asa and MJ, he plays them against each other all the time. 

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6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

The problem is that Asa called out the others for not being open/honest about their lives on the show but she is the most secretive of them all. Asa is a hypocrite and she is mean to the bone, just like her bf Reza. Oh, and we have Reza to thank for the jealous fighting between Asa and MJ, he plays them against each other all the time. 

Yeah, I don't care. Not telling your friends you're pregnant isn't the same as giggling while your mom shits on a friends clothing line or cheating on your wife and lying about it. 

 

Like, I've heard yalls reasoning. I just can't get there lol. 

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12 minutes ago, Watermelon said:

Yeah, I don't care. Not telling your friends you're pregnant isn't the same as giggling while your mom shits on a friends clothing line or cheating on your wife and lying about it. 

 

Like, I've heard yalls reasoning. I just can't get there lol. 

I get what you are saying but MJ has never been able to stop Vida from saying anything and Asa knows this all better than most but still expects MJ to defend her when MJ can't even defend herself from Vida's attacks. As for Mike, it is up to him to share what he wants on camera just as much as it is for Asa, she can't demand he share something painful/embarrassing when she won't share joyful news. Asa has shared the least about her life out of all the SoS.

I also can't get past that Asa helps Reza blindside the others like she does. She is as nasty, petty, jealous as the rest of them. Oh, and she/MJ are fighting over a piece of crap named Reza, who would sell them both for 5 more minutes of Bravoleberty time. LOL

6 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Reza is still a vile piece of shit and I hate that no one blames him for the gossipy back stabbed he is and always has been.

I agree. Why is it that none of the other SoS have called him out on his nasty games? 

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34 minutes ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

Asa, Asa, Asa. What are you doing wearing your shoes in the house?! This Persian here is totally judging you for that. ;) 

I think it's something pregnant women have to do.

Hey you guys -- you don't suppose -- maybe Asa...?

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The pic of GG eating watermelon as a little girl was fucking crazy cute. Her dad's turkey seemed to be juicy and delicious. They raised two batshit crazy kids but the fact that they could all bond over backgammon was random and sweet.

There seems to be so much left on the cutting room floor. The convo with GG and Annalise seemed to indicate that Annalise knew that Shervin slept with Tara but it was okay in terms of their relationship.

I don't think Jermaine thinks he is too famous to be on this shit show just that he doesn't want to be on it which I don't blame him for but I do think it's interesting that Latoya and Paris have appeared and Jermaine Sr. who adores the camera hasn't. It does make me wonder about Jr. and Sr.'s relationship. That doesn't make me think that Asa isn't full of shit about why they cant talk about her relationship.

Alas, I didn't watch the WWHL but I am still not certain about Asa's pregnancy. She said they froze embryos when she was 36 so that wouldn't be at the same time as when MJ froze her eggs. Also, MJ said she froze her eggs when she was with Tommy and given the success rate of freezing eggs vs. embryos why MJ went the egg route would be interesting to know. I would suggest the reunion which was filmed last week would address it but I can't imagine it will.

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1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

The pic of GG eating watermelon as a little girl was fucking crazy cute. Her dad's turkey seemed to be juicy and delicious. They raised two batshit crazy kids but the fact that they could all bond over backgammon was random and sweet.

There seems to be so much left on the cutting room floor. The convo with GG and Annalise seemed to indicate that Annalise knew that Shervin slept with Tara but it was okay in terms of their relationship.

I don't think Jermaine thinks he is too famous to be on this shit show just that he doesn't want to be on it which I don't blame him for but I do think it's interesting that Latoya and Paris have appeared and Jermaine Sr. who adores the camera hasn't. It does make me wonder about Jr. and Sr.'s relationship. That doesn't make me think that Asa isn't full of shit about why they cant talk about her relationship.

Alas, I didn't watch the WWHL but I am still not certain about Asa's pregnancy. She said they froze embryos when she was 36 so that wouldn't be at the same time as when MJ froze her eggs. Also, MJ said she froze her eggs when she was with Tommy and given the success rate of freezing eggs vs. embryos why MJ went the egg route would be interesting to know. I would suggest the reunion which was filmed last week would address it but I can't imagine it will.

I think Andy and MJ will try to get Asa to talk about this but I see Asa doing her normal slight of hand act refusing to answer any questions while trying to make those asking look like they are attacking her (like she did Mike when he brought up her cold behavior when MJ was talking about her dying father). As for why MJ didn't go the fertilized egg route, I suspect it was because she was unsure she/Tommy would stand the test of time, so she kept her (baby daddy) options open.

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5 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

As for why MJ didn't go the fertilized egg route, I suspect it was because she was unsure she/Tommy would stand the test of time, so she kept her (baby daddy) options open.

Which might be true but if she wants a child who is genetically related to her it is most likely still a waste of money.

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8 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Which might be true but if she wants a child who is genetically related to her it is most likely still a waste of money.

Any egg that is fertilized at a later date from her frozen egg stash will be genetically related to her but if she had the eggs fertilized with Tommy's sperm and they broke up, she would be having his baby even if she was then with another guy (if they couldn't retrieve new eggs that is). MJ is getting to the age where healthy egg retrieval is getting less likely.

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I was so happy for GG getting her hearing aids!! Those babies are a godsend for hearing loss! 

GG's sister needs to take a seat...behave like a grown up not a jealous kid. 

I could go the rest of my life without ever seeing MJ again. That red onesies. So NOOOOOOO.

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Asa is such a nasty POS.  I was so glad Mike called her out that when MJ was crying about her dad and Asa was taking pics of food....and she didn't even really try to defend it.  I wanted him to slap that snotty ass look off her face.  Then when Reza was at her dinner she had the same snotty look.  IMO she is 100x worse than MJ & GG combined.  At least with them you know where you stand...and you know how they are because they put it all out there.  Asa is nothing but a phony and a user.  Sorry, but as much as Reza thinks they are friends, I don't think Asa is his friend at all...I don't think she thinks of any of them as friends.

eta GG sister is AWFUL.  Just horrid.  I know GG has her issues but they way her sister was smirking at her while she was yelling was awful.  She just likes to push her buttons to get her to go off and then gloat about it.  Honestly I hope when the parents are no longer of this earth that GG just walks away from her for good.

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9 hours ago, biakbiak said:

The pic of GG eating watermelon as a little girl was fucking crazy cute. Her dad's turkey seemed to be juicy and delicious. They raised two batshit crazy kids but the fact that they could all bond over backgammon was random and sweet.

There seems to be so much left on the cutting room floor. The convo with GG and Annalise seemed to indicate that Annalise knew that Shervin slept with Tara but it was okay in terms of their relationship.

I don't think Jermaine thinks he is too famous to be on this shit show just that he doesn't want to be on it which I don't blame him for but I do think it's interesting that Latoya and Paris have appeared and Jermaine Sr. who adores the camera hasn't. It does make me wonder about Jr. and Sr.'s relationship. That doesn't make me think that Asa isn't full of shit about why they cant talk about her relationship.

Alas, I didn't watch the WWHL but I am still not certain about Asa's pregnancy. She said they froze embryos when she was 36 so that wouldn't be at the same time as when MJ froze her eggs. Also, MJ said she froze her eggs when she was with Tommy and given the success rate of freezing eggs vs. embryos why MJ went the egg route would be interesting to know. I would suggest the reunion which was filmed last week would address it but I can't imagine it will.

I think I saw Jermaine Jr. on Tito's sons reality show but it was veeeeery brief.  All the boy Jacksons had a bonfire and he was there. He just doesn't seem interested in tv at all

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MJ is jealousy personified.  I understand (and even have compassion) for what she is going through with her dad.   It’s heartbreaking and devastating.  Given what she has shared about her relationship with her dad and how mean her mother is I can understand the impact this will have on her.   Everything that is going on with Asa and her pregnancy stems from MJ’s jealousy.  I think she is hurt, upset, angry that Asa is pregnant.  The IVF is just an easy excuse to explain her anger with Asa instead of the truth and it being as simple as she is green with envy .  I think if any close female friend would announce they are pregnant she would act the same passive aggressive jealous way. Asa continues to dig herself into a hole of self-absorption.  She could acknowledge that although she, personally, is not the cause of MJ’s jealousy  she can at least recognize how her happiness can affect MJ, the IVF etc. 

 

What I don’t understand is why MJ and GG feel this all-consuming need to tell Shervin’s girlfriend that there are cheating rumors?  What business is it of yours?  It’s not like you are close friends with her in fact you barely know her and can probably count on one hoof hand how many times you have met.   And to do it when you are a guest in Shervin’s home, WTF!?!?!?   They both have enough skeletons in their own closets that they need to stay out of his. His is already full. 

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22 hours ago, nexxie said:

More like two houses chock full of turkeys!

That's not very nice! I have a rafter of turkeys who live on my property. I've fed them for years and each spring they bring their babies to my door to be fed. I can tell you with 100% certainty that my turkeys are smarter, more mature and have much better behavior than any of these idiots.  The turkeys are also better looking. 

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19 hours ago, Watermelon said:

I find everyone's dislike of Asa so interesting. Regardless of her baby lies I can't find it in myself to care that she didn't tell them the truth. The ones she actually likes still get caught up in baby bastard talk, and then there's psycho ass MJ who would have been pissed no matter how Asa became pregnant.

Asa is a gaslight-et and those are the worst types because they make you doubt yourself, when they are the ones in the wrong.  Asa went on and on about how spiritual her experience was in Israel when she met with the religious leaders, she said that the others, because they didn't have a good experience, were not as spiritual as she.  No, she sent them out with a camera and told them to interview random people and when they didn't have a good experience she said it was THEIR fault.  

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19 hours ago, WireWrap said:

MJ is getting to the age where healthy egg retrieval is getting less likely.

MJ is past the age where a frozen egg will likely to result in pregnancy versus a frozen embryo and I can't imagine her doctor didn't tell her that. Also, if she has her eggs frozen than why is she continuing to do this naturally with Tommy, it think MJ doesn't want to be a mother and this is all faked for the show.

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22 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Asa is a gaslight-et and those are the worst types because they make you doubt yourself, when they are the ones in the wrong.  Asa went on and on about how spiritual her experience was in Israel when she met with the religious leaders, she said that the others, because they didn't have a good experience, were not as spiritual as she.  No, she sent them out with a camera and told them to interview random people and when they didn't have a good experience she said it was THEIR fault.  

There is something wrong with the Rhamati family. The way, they treat Asa does not seem natural to me.

They are unnaturally sweet and caters to her way too much, Imo.

Also, did his brother ever speak on the show?

All that pretentious artsy crap rings false as well, but if she can manage to make a buck out of it more power to her.

As far as her baby, while it is crude and insensitive to call him a bastard, it is technically correct.

he was born out of wedlock. It is no big deal, imo.

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