S01.E01: Behold...The Inhumans! / S01.E02: Those Who Would Destroy Us

[Jamoche]

8 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

There is no excuse for not having text messaging given that the King doesn't talk.

For that matter, if I really was stuck with only being able to transmit my heartbeat - my watch does that too. And I'm pretty sure just holding it up to my chest wouldn't.

[Miles]

11 hours ago, steelyis said:

Literally dumb shit happened from the opening scene to when Blackbolt got a call on his wrist cell phone that the cops totally wouldn't have taken away from him the second he was arrested.

To be fair to the show here, watches and such aren't taken from somebody under arrest until they are formally booked. It's kinda hard to get those off when somebody is in cuffs, anyway...

8 hours ago, SimoneS said:

Was this in the show? Because if it was, I missed it and if it wasn't, how does the show expect the millions of people like me who watched and don't read the comics to know this?

It was in the show.

4 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Ken Leung is usually better than this; his acting was pretty terrible. I also don't get the purpose of aerospace lady. Her scene drove the show to a halt for me, even more than it already had in the first hour. 

Aerospace lady will be the bridge between the inhumans und the humans. She will teach them our ways and shit. It's a tired old trope, but that will be the least of the problem this show has.

Also something I forgot to complain about in my last post: This is in the MCU. You literally had Aliens attack New York (Avengers) and then later Aliens attack all over the place (Thor the Dark World), then you had a bunch of humans develope super powers (Agents of Shield) and then an AI attack New York (Avangers 2), and probably a bunch of other shit I'm forgetting at the moment, yet a hoof on the moon is so crazy out there, that aerospace lady gets quasi-fired over it? Seriously?

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Why did Black Bolt's parents kill Mesuda's parents?

Because they wanted to abolish the cast system and Black Bolt's parents were huge dicks.

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Why did Black Bolt kill his own parents? 

Seemed like an accident. He was very young, so I would assume it was just after his terrigenesis.

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Why is Maximus treated so well when he has no powers? (nepotism?)

Yep, nepotism.

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Why is Maximus so interested in winning Crystal over to his side?

Maybe he has the hots for her?

Maybe because she controls Lockjaw and he is the best way of teleporting his armies to earth?

Maybe it's bad writing?

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Why do they waste terrigen crystals, one per person, they could gather all the children of a certain age in a room and throw in a terrigen crystal.

I guess because their chambers skip the cocooning part of terrigenesis? I would hope they can produce terrigen otherwise that is a horrible waste, for such a small improvement.

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Why don't they supply science and technology to the Inhumans without powers?

The same reason why they let people dig in the mines instead of robots. Because they are huuuuuuuuuge dicks!

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Why would they choose to live on the moon instead of Earth? If they just don't want to come in contact with humans, there are plenty of places humans don't live, like Antarctica, underwater, underground, deep in a cave, etc.

Because it's cool, okay?!

Edited September 30, 2017 by Miles

[Zanne]

2 hours ago, dungeonwriter said:

 

 

 

I'm wondering at all the leather available on the moon. I would assume it's required due to the cooler temperatures on the moon, but then there's Miss Sleeveless of the Leather Pants that blows that theory. But, she does have fire powers, which may excuse her from needing a coat.

[steelyis]

49 minutes ago, Miles said:

To be fair to the show here, watches and such aren't taken from somebody under arrest until they are formally booked. It's kinda hard to get those off when somebody is in cuffs, anyway...

That's true. I've seen police wait until booking to remove jewelry like necklaces, rings and watches. But his wrist communicator was in his jacket pocket and did not look like a watch. It looks like a cell phone or the handle of a collapsible knife and cops take that stuff right away.

Edited September 30, 2017 by steelyis

[xfuse]

18 hours ago, Terrafamilia said:

Am I a bad person because, all the murder and treachery and general asshattery aside, I'm kinda with Maximus at this point?

If you are than you are not the only one. The royal family is not likeable. I can kinda see Maximus point and it doesn't hurt that the actor is good.

[Terrafamilia]

17 hours ago, Matt K said:

I'm kind of pissed they made the "workers" people with useless or no mutations.  In the comics they were the Alpha Primitives and those were people who underwent terragenesis and its essentially took their intelligence (it made them like cavemen, primitive as the term says).  That way you can understand why the Inhumans keep them as a slave labor force even if you don't agree with it (which is usually where Maximus comes in).

They already had a version of the Alpha Primitives during the Hive arc on AoS so I guess they didn't want to repeat themselves or something.

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, this wasn't the worst pilot I've seen, but I do think that it wasn't good. The issue is that the writing was pretty bad, and the acting was too. 

Also what was weak was I guess the attempted conflict between the King and Maximus. So I presume Maximus is going to get more cartoonishly evil to prove that the King and Queen are the protagonists? Because all I think is that, though his attempts are misguided, I'm on Maximus' side. They imprison and enslave non-Inhumans or ones with shitty powers? And we're supposed to root against Maximus because....why? I guess because they'll have him start killing people so that Silent Man and Queen Hair look better? The conflict there could have been written really well; right now, it just comes across worse for the supposed protagonists. Also, of course there's a stupid fucking love triangle with Black Bolt, Medusa, and Maxiumus. Because that'll make things better. 

1 hour ago, marketdoctor said:

This is my feeling as well.

There was potential:  Maximus, like many interesting bad guys, had a point.  He was more an "antagonist" than pure evil, and he didn't kill Lockjaw.  He lied, and was willing to kill, but he really had a point about the caste system.

 

So I've watched this a second time, in part because I'm a masochist and I can't abide wasted potential. There is something here, but it needed two major changes: 1. at the very least it needed a decent consulting producer (Jed Whedon and Melissa Tanchereon or Fazekas & Butters) and 2. it needed to be explicitly connected to Agents of SHIELD. 

Had I been in charge, it would have gone like this:

• It opens the same way. A transformed Inhuman is running from armed men (preferably with Watchdog insignias from AoS). She runs into Triton. Just as the armed men are about to get Triton and this new Inhuman, Lockjaw appears and transports them to Attilan.
• Cue exposition and montage of the gleaming city on the moon as Triton explains who and what they are. A brief glimpse of "go back to Earth" graffiti can be seen in the background as Triton and the Inhuman make their way through the city. The new Rescued Earth Inhuman (REI) is welcomed by Blackbolt and Medusa. Gorgon and Karnak interrupt the welcome to discuss urgent matters. Medusa tells them she will join them when she finishes the orientation. 
• Medusa explains to REI about the Genetic Council. "They are the Inhumans who are tasked with making sure that each and every resident is paired with the functions that best suits his or her gifts." As they enter the council chambers, we can see another Inhuman escorted from the council. A guard says that this Inhuman is going to the mine. The Inhuman struggles and is subdued.
• Cut to Medusa entering the meeting room. Blackbolt, Maximus, Triton, Gorgon, and Karnak are already there. Gorgon and Karnak give a report about the moon rover. Maximus attempts to make his case for ceasing rescue of Earth Inhumans or creating an Earth based sanctuary that Maximus might run. He is cut short by Blackbolt. Medusa asks Triton to give a report about the state of things on Earth. He reports that it is dangerous. Maximus argues that Inhumans together are powerful enough together that no humans could ever be a threat. Blackbolt pounds on the table. He signs furiously, while Medusa translates. "Our cousins on earth deserve the right to be safe. Earth is not safe nor will I risk war with the humans. Attilan is the only place where I can protect us all. There will be more discussion on this issue. As for resources in Attilan, you are the one in charge of city operations brother." Medusa and Blackbolt leave the room.
• There is a cut and we see someone watching on a monitor the meeting of the Royal Family from the camera in the impaired, but not complete broken rover. 
• Crystal and Lockjaw meet and hang out with the REI in upper caste quarters. They talk about Earth and Attilan. Lockjaw does cute dog stuff like roll over for belly scratches.
• Maximus receives a report from Auran about more graffiti and property destruction by lower castes. 
• We see Medusa and Blackbolt in their quarters. They are sweet and affectionate as they get ready for the Terrigen Ceremony. Medusa wonders what they'll do if the two teens about to under go terrigenesis are sorted to the lower caste. She says "Your brother isn't wrong about resources, but I don't fully trust him." Blackbolt signs. Medusa says "I know you think he has all of our best interests at heart." Blackbolt signs again. Medusa replies "You trust him. I trust you." They kiss and leave for the ceremony.
• The Terrigen ceremony occurs pretty much as in the episode, but Crystal is explaining it to her new friend, REI.
• After both teens are evaluated by the Genetic Council, Crystal and REI become fast friends with the girl who is a flyer. Her brother is sullen and withdrawn. Crystal and REI want to meet up with new friend. Maximus insists that they take a full complement of guards.
• Maximus and Auran are in the lower caste section accompanying the family--the girl to collect her things and the boy to stay. The scene plays out much like in the episode. When the girl is set to leave, she hugs her family and says goodbye. Crystal and REI arrive with guards. Someone in the crowd asks who REI is. She replies that she's from Earth. The crowd reacts angrily. The combination of the categories system, poor conditions in the lower caste, and the different rules for people like Maximus and Karnak make the crowd erupt. Maximus orders the guards to get the girl, Crystal, and REI out of there. He then begins to calm the crowd down by playing up their resentment.
• Meanwhile, Triton has gone missing on another rescue/reconnaissance mission. The Royal Family meets. Gorgon insists on going to Earth to rescue Triton. Maximus is fully supportive of Gorgon going and even taking some of his men. Maximus is obsequious to Blackbolt about how Blackbolt was correct that Earth isn't safe. He also suggests that they increase the guards at the Palace with Gorgon gone.
• Maximus and Auran go to meet in lower caste quarters with the newly turned Inhuman boy who can see the future. As he's leaving, Maximus is confronted by lower caste Inhumans questioning why the guards have been doubled around the palace. Maximus gives the snow job of all snow jobs. He reveals that Triton has gone missing in another rescue mission on Earth. Gorgon has gone to Earth with some guards to find Triton. He says that "With Gorgon gone, Blackbolt didn't feel safe and ordered a doubling of the guards." Maximus makes a point of noting that he doesn't have such concerns about the lower castes as he came down to visit with only Auran. The crowd goes crazy. They begin rioting. This time Maximus does nothing to stop them.
• Maximus sends the guards in to secure the Royal Family.
• Maximus and the guards cut Medusa's hair.
• Karnak defeats the guards. He tries to warn Gorgon who is currently under attack by his guards. He defeats them. Karnak warns Crystal who is with Lockjaw and REI. Crystal sends REI and Karnak to earth via Lockjaw. She's able to send Medusa and Blackbolt to Earth before she's captured. Lockjaw is back in Attilan, but incapacitated. 
• Maximus makes an announcement to Attilan that rather than address the concerns of the people, the Royal Family has fled to Earth. Once his broadcast is over, he directs Auran to capture or kill the Royal Family.
• Cut to the Royal Family and REI on Earth disoriented and scared in different parts of Hawaii. This is the end of episode 2.
• Episode 3 is about the Royal Family and REI trying to find each other. The notable change would be that Karnak wouldn't be stupid enough to not attempt to contact the other royals. The episode ends with Blackbolt being arrested and REI is discovered by a SHIELD monitoring program as is Blackbolt.
• Episode 4 enter AoS. Auran and Attilan troops start mixing it up on Earth trying to capture the Royal Family. 

[Enigma X]

I did not find it great, but I did not find it horrible either. I agree that the Royals are not very sympathetic. Anson Mount is the worst actor on this show, imo. With that said, I was entertained.

[dungeonwriter]

5 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

So I've watched this a second time, in part because I'm a masochist and I can't abide wasted potential. There is something here, but it needed two major changes: 1. at the very least it needed a decent consulting producer (Jed Whedon and Melissa Tanchereon or Fazekas & Butters) and 2. it needed to be explicitly connected to Agents of SHIELD. 

Had I been in charge, it would have gone like this:

• It opens the same way. A transformed Inhuman is running from armed men (preferably with Watchdog insignias from AoS). She runs into Triton. Just as the armed men are about to get Triton and this new Inhuman, Lockjaw appears and transports them to Attilan.
• Cue exposition and montage of the gleaming city on the moon as Triton explains who and what they are. A brief glimpse of "go back to Earth" graffiti can be seen in the background as Triton and the Inhuman make their way through the city. The new Rescued Earth Inhuman (REI) is welcomed by Blackbolt and Medusa. Gorgon and Karnak interrupt the welcome to discuss urgent matters. Medusa tells them she will join them when she finishes the orientation. 
• Medusa explains to REI about the Genetic Council. "They are the Inhumans who are tasked with making sure that each and every resident is paired with the functions that best suits his or her gifts." As they enter the council chambers, we can see another Inhuman escorted from the council. A guard says that this Inhuman is going to the mine. The Inhuman struggles and is subdued.
• Cut to Medusa entering the meeting room. Blackbolt, Maximus, Triton, Gorgon, and Karnak are already there. Gorgon and Karnak give a report about the moon rover. Maximus attempts to make his case for ceasing rescue of Earth Inhumans or creating an Earth based sanctuary that Maximus might run. He is cut short by Blackbolt. Medusa asks Triton to give a report about the state of things on Earth. He reports that it is dangerous. Maximus argues that Inhumans together are powerful enough together that no humans could ever be a threat. Blackbolt pounds on the table. He signs furiously, while Medusa translates. "Our cousins on earth deserve the right to be safe. Earth is not safe nor will I risk war with the humans. Attilan is the only place where I can protect us all. There will be more discussion on this issue. As for resources in Attilan, you are the one in charge of city operations brother." Medusa and Blackbolt leave the room.
• There is a cut and we see someone watching on a monitor the meeting of the Royal Family from the camera in the impaired, but not complete broken rover. 
• Crystal and Lockjaw meet and hang out with the REI in upper caste quarters. They talk about Earth and Attilan. Lockjaw does cute dog stuff like roll over for belly scratches.
• Maximus receives a report from Auran about more graffiti and property destruction by lower castes. 
• We see Medusa and Blackbolt in their quarters. They are sweet and affectionate as they get ready for the Terrigen Ceremony. Medusa wonders what they'll do if the two teens about to under go terrigenesis are sorted to the lower caste. She says "Your brother isn't wrong about resources, but I don't fully trust him." Blackbolt signs. Medusa says "I know you think he has all of our best interests at heart." Blackbolt signs again. Medusa replies "You trust him. I trust you." They kiss and leave for the ceremony.
• The Terrigen ceremony occurs pretty much as in the episode, but Crystal is explaining it to her new friend, REI.
• After both teens are evaluated by the Genetic Council, Crystal and REI become fast friends with the girl who is a flyer. Her brother is sullen and withdrawn. Crystal and REI want to meet up with new friend. Maximus insists that they take a full complement of guards.
• Maximus and Auran are in the lower caste section accompanying the family--the girl to collect her things and the boy to stay. The scene plays out much like in the episode. When the girl is set to leave, she hugs her family and says goodbye. Crystal and REI arrive with guards. Someone in the crowd asks who REI is. She replies that she's from Earth. The crowd reacts angrily. The combination of the categories system, poor conditions in the lower caste, and the different rules for people like Maximus and Karnak make the crowd erupt. Maximus orders the guards to get the girl, Crystal, and REI out of there. He then begins to calm the crowd down by playing up their resentment.
• Meanwhile, Triton has gone missing on another rescue/reconnaissance mission. The Royal Family meets. Gorgon insists on going to Earth to rescue Triton. Maximus is fully supportive of Gorgon going and even taking some of his men. Maximus is obsequious to Blackbolt about how Blackbolt was correct that Earth isn't safe. He also suggests that they increase the guards at the Palace with Gorgon gone.
• Maximus and Auran go to meet in lower caste quarters with the newly turned Inhuman boy who can see the future. As he's leaving, Maximus is confronted by lower caste Inhumans questioning why the guards have been doubled around the palace. Maximus gives the snow job of all snow jobs. He reveals that Triton has gone missing in another rescue mission on Earth. Gorgon has gone to Earth with some guards to find Triton. He says that "With Gorgon gone, Blackbolt didn't feel safe and ordered a doubling of the guards." Maximus makes a point of noting that he doesn't have such concerns about the lower castes as he came down to visit with only Auran. The crowd goes crazy. They begin rioting. This time Maximus does nothing to stop them.
• Maximus sends the guards in to secure the Royal Family.
• Maximus and the guards cut Medusa's hair.
• Karnak defeats the guards. He tries to warn Gorgon who is currently under attack by his guards. He defeats them. Karnak warns Crystal who is with Lockjaw and REI. Crystal sends REI and Karnak to earth via Lockjaw. She's able to send Medusa and Blackbolt to Earth before she's captured. Lockjaw is back in Attilan, but incapacitated. 
• Maximus makes an announcement to Attilan that rather than address the concerns of the people, the Royal Family has fled to Earth. Once his broadcast is over, he directs Auran to capture or kill the Royal Family.
• Cut to the Royal Family and REI on Earth disoriented and scared in different parts of Hawaii. This is the end of episode 2.
• Episode 3 is about the Royal Family and REI trying to find each other. The notable change would be that Karnak wouldn't be stupid enough to not attempt to contact the other royals. The episode ends with Blackbolt being arrested and REI is discovered by a SHIELD monitoring program as is Blackbolt.
• Episode 4 enter AoS. Auran and Attilan troops start mixing it up on Earth trying to capture the Royal Family. 

I have but one question. Why aren't you in charge? It's perfect. 

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, dungeonwriter said:

I have but one question. Why aren't you in charge? It's perfect. 

Thanks. ?

[Enigma X]

And why is Louise's idea that farfetched when aliens fought in the Battle of New York?

[Raja]

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  7 HOURS AGO, ANIMEMANIA SAID:

Why do they waste terrigen crystals, one per person, they could gather all the children of a certain age in a room and throw in a terrigen crystal.

 

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@Miles

I guess because their chambers skip the cocooning part of terrigenesis? I would hope they can produce terrigen otherwise that is a horrible waste, for such a small improvement.

 

I was "head canoning" in another direction. That the Inhuman left behind society on Earth lead by Jaiying at Afterlife had a limited supply of terrigen because they literally had to melt down a limited supply of diviners to grow the crystals, for non Agents of SHIELD fans, a metal obelisk which determined if you were Inhuman or killed you, bye bye Maximus, if you were not. However like the Royal family they were selective, only it seems before hand on who got the chance at becoming their true self.

I am not sure if on the moon every kid goes through the mist with no diviner test or if the  genetics council decides the select few like the Afterlife Inhumans did. The Afterlife mist being full of impurities   which would kill normal humans and perhaps put the Inhuman in the cocoon. By the Framework arc Hydra inside of the framework was able to synthesize the crystals without the divners serving as a source but will still saw Daisy Johnson/Quake being cocooned inside of the simulation program, but with no effect to the human  Agent May. But then that was just a computer simulation and they had no way of knowing that pure terrigen did not cause the cocoon stage.

[Matt K]

3 hours ago, Terrafamilia said:

They already had a version of the Alpha Primitives during the Hive arc on AoS so I guess they didn't want to repeat themselves or something.

Sadly, that would have been a great little tie-in between the two shows. 

[shrewd.buddha]

Another big gripe I had with the show (there are so, so many) :
  Why do Blackbolt and Medusa act as if they are on an alien planet when they transfer to Earth? We see that they intercept transmissions from Earth - they have the ability to intercept NASA's transmissions, which are probably encrypted. 
So, Attalin is  a single city, probably no bigger than Manhattan. You know they don't have enough music and television of their own - - they are probably watching all same bad police procedurals and reality television that we are. 

[Last Time Lord]

I liked it. 

Found the characters likeable enough, despite the whole caste system... thing

The aspect I'm most interested is the boy with the visions, and how Maximus plans to exploit him. 

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, shrewd.buddha said:

Another big gripe I had with the show (there are so, so many) :
Why do Blackbolt and Medusa act as if they are on an alien planet when they transfer to Earth? We see that they intercept transmissions from Earth - they have the ability to intercept NASA's transmissions, which are probably encrypted.

Maybe it's because there is a difference between seeing something on TV and seeing it in person. 

Grand Canyon in person > Grand Canyon in a picture

Elephant in the wild > elephant in the zoo > elephant in a picture

Seeing a Black person IRL > seeing a Black person on a TV show Huh???!?!? My first college roommate said to me "You're the first Black person I've ever seen in real life. Wait...I saw one once in a mall." Clearly she grew up somewhere where she'd never have an opportunity to see Black people like...Ohio, which is where she grew up.

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So, Attalin is  a single city, probably no bigger than Manhattan. You know they don't have enough music and television of their own - - they are probably watching all same bad police procedurals and reality television that we are. 

It's all Housewives, Kardashians, 16 and Pregnant, and NCIS on the TV's in Attilan. Blech. Maybe that's the reason why Black Bolt has no interest in going to Earth. It's not like he's a Martian and will watch anything.*

*That's a Young Justice joke. All Martians love TV.

Edited October 1, 2017 by HunterHunted

[rmontro]

I'd be lying if I said I thought that this was a good show.  But I can't help but enjoy it to some extent.  Just the idea of seeing the Inhumans on a live action TV show!  I mean, not in my wildest dreams would I ever have guessed I would see such a thing.  Just seeing the way they have Crystal's hair, which is straight out of the comics, makes me think that Johnny Storm is going to fly in the window to date her at any moment.  Of course, since Fox has the rights to Fantastic Four, that will never happen (a moment of silence while I mourn the loss of Fantastic Four from the MCU and Fox's complete cluelessness in how to handle them).  

In fact, the Inhumans were a spinoff from the Fantastic Four, back in the days when the FF was the best selling comic in the world, and Stan Lee was at the height of his creative powers.  This show would almost be at home in a '60s setting, along with other silly TV shows they had back then, like Mr. Ed, Bewitched, and The Munsters.  It almost has a vaguely 60s feel to it, but that may just be how I associate the characters.

Some of the bigger offenses from the premiere:

Cutting off Medusa's hair was a pretty transparent (and lame) money saving move.

Auren insisting on going to earth alone to confront the royal family.  If she couldn't even handle a shorn, powerless Medusa, I don't know how she thought she was going to defeat Gorgon or Black Bolt.

In the comics, Black Bolt could fly.  His costume had wings under his arms that gave him a very distinctive, iconic look.  He is also one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe, so it was kind of odd to see him running down the street away from the cops, when he should have simply been able to fly away.  Maybe they'll add the wings later (I'd like to see Reed Richards add the wings for him, but again that will never happen.  Another moment of silence for the Fantastic Four).

Forcing Inhumans without powers to work in the mines seems unnecessarily inhumane (to use a pun there).  Not sure how the royal family condones that. Ramsay, er I mean Maximus, really does seem more heroic on that issue.

I don't feel overly optimistic about this, but a lot of pilots aren't very good.  It took Agents of Shield half a season to get going, and it sometimes takes several seasons for a TV show to find itself.  So it could happen here too, as unlikely as that may seem.  

[NorthstarATL]

Well, Lockjaw was fun. Felicity/Chloe/Clone will no doubt help Karnak figure out how to get his groove back on Earth, since he seems out of whack. Gorgon will learn to surf. And hopefully Medusa will meet up with some drag queens who can teach her how high a Queen's hair SHOULD be once it grows back!

  I hated the Alpha Primitives thing when they introduced it in the comics, as the Inhumans had been around for awhile before some writer decided that they needed a reigning in. Also, I get that they are all inbred and don't want to kill each other, but that's going to lead to a lot of capturing and escaping each week. crystal alone has enough power to bring down Max AND his minions. They seem focused on her fire power, but she controls all elements, or at least she did.

[Miles]

5 hours ago, Raja said:

I am not sure if on the moon every kid goes through the mist with no diviner test or if the  genetics council decides the select few like the Afterlife Inhumans did. The Afterlife mist being full of impurities   which would kill normal humans and perhaps put the Inhuman in the cocoon. By the Framework arc Hydra inside of the framework was able to synthesize the crystals without the divners serving as a source but will still saw Daisy Johnson/Quake being cocooned inside of the simulation program, but with no effect to the human  Agent May. But then that was just a computer simulation and they had no way of knowing that pure terrigen did not cause the cocoon stage.

Nah, the terrigen leached into the food chain, but not the deviner material. Otherwise all humans would be dead. But still every inhuman on earth cocooned. There was even the brother of the racist senator who cocooned for months.

That the chaimbers prevent the cocooning is the generous interpretation. The not so generous one is that the director, producers and show runner of this have never seen an episode of AoS and thus have no clue how terrigenesis is actually supposed to look like.

 

9 hours ago, steelyis said:

That's true. I've seen police wait until booking to remove jewelry like necklaces, rings and watches. But his wrist communicator was in his jacket pocket and did not look like a watch. It looks like a cell phone or the handle of a collapsible knife and cops take that stuff right away.

I had forgotten that he had it in his pocket, but you are right. Not sure if police would have bothered to take a phone-thingy from him, since he was supposed to be in handcuffs anyway, but that might be a valid complaint.

 

45 minutes ago, rmontro said:

Just the idea of seeing the Inhumans on a live action TV show!

Watch some Agents of Shield. Way better show, with tons of Inhumans on live action TV.

[thuganomics85]

Had to work last night, so I finally got around to this.  And..... it was something, I guess.

OK, basically, the first hour was a complete dud, filled with horrible acting, rushed plots and development where I couldn't figure out half of what was going on (what are Karnak's powers, exactly?) and the characters left no impression (even Max was just "Ramsay" for the majority of it), CGI that somehow looked both expensive and shoddy, unlikable characters, and cringeworthy dialogue.  In short, barely anything redeemable about it.

But then the second hour came, and we suddenly had Karnak just wondering around Hawaii (bet that was some deja vu for Ken Leung), Gorgon just chilling with some surfers, Medusa and poor Serinda Swan just snarling all of her dialogue, hilariously bad fight scenes that make Iron Fist look like a classic kung-fu movie, Black Bolt shop lifting and Anson Mount actually having a little bit fun with his pantomime, and good old Maxy/Iwan Rheon delivering a dramatic evil bad guy speech in front of an adoring crowed.  At this point, it suddenly developed into some hilarious camp, which I got a kick out of.  Have a feeling that wasn't what Scott Buck was intending, but hey, I was entertained!

Honestly though, they really screwed the pooch (not you, Lockjaw!) by barely having any development before the coup, because I'm pretty much with everyone who doesn't see how Maximus is wrong here.  The whole caste system feels dated and, frankly, very snobbish and offensive, and Attilan or whatever the city is, clearly has a ton of issues with overpopulation and whatnot, and Black Bolt seems to be doing absolutely dick about it.  Why should I root for him and Medusa to reclaim the throne?  Now, granted, I'm sure it's only a matter of time for Maximus goes all mad and starts flaying people and whatnot, but until then, I rather back the bitter, jealous little bro (Loki much, Max?) over Black Bolt the Uncaring Jackass.

Acting wise, Iwan Rheon and Ken Leung were the only ones I felt like came out slightly ahead, thanks to the former just getting by on his raw talent alone, while the latter seemed to be the only one that was having fun every now and then, while everyone else was trying (and failing) to make this Shakespeare.  The rest though?  Yikes!  I've enjoyed Serinda Swan and Anson Mount in other things, but outside of one or two moments, they were pretty much embarrassing themselves.  But if I had to pick a worse one, it would go to Auran/Max's henchwoman.  And of course she ends up surviving that stabbing, so I really hope she improves going forward.

Lockjaw getting knocked out and Max evilly cutting Medusa's hair (complete with evil music, evil cutter, and a lot of slo-mo shots of Serinda Swan dramatically screaming), really felt like just a way to save on the budget.  That said, I'll be positive and say that Serinda actually looks pretty good with short hair.

So, overall, this was pretty bad, but bad in a way where I so want to keep watching.  It's like Marvel decided that Agents of Shield has become their mainstream show, the Netflix ones are their dark dramas, and Agent Carter is/was the under-appreciated gem, so why not let Inhumans be their dated, cheesy, syndication quality series, that almost feels like it belongs along side some of the best cheese of the 1990s, like Beastmaster or the Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.  Hey, I can dig it!

Edited October 1, 2017 by thuganomics85

[Happywatcher]

15 hours ago, dungeonwriter said:

I have but one question. Why aren't you in charge? It's perfect. 

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/about/

 

The bosses there are all extreme multigeneration upper crust. They know we are stupid, so they make dumbed down shows for us...

[paigow]

4 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

 Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.  Hey, I can dig it!

Sam Raimi needs to take over Inhumans...then Lucy Lawless would return for sure!!!

[Raja]

22 minutes ago, paigow said:

Sam Raimi needs to take over Inhumans...then Lucy Lawless would return for sure!!!

She will have to be a twin of a character already expended on the Agents of SHIELD

[rmontro]

11 hours ago, Miles said:

Watch some Agents of Shield. Way better show, with tons of Inhumans on live action TV.

I've seen every episode of Agents of Shield, and enjoyed the Inhumans story line on that show.  But the Inhumans on that show are secondary, or tertiary characters at best.  The "classic" Inhumans lineup is what we see here:  Black Bolt, Medusa, Gorgon, Karnak, Triton, and Crystal, with Maximus as their arch villain.  Those characters have been around for over 50 years now, so seeing them on TV brings a certain interest with them that you don't get from say, Quake.

Anyway, Agents of Shield started out slow also.  Inhumans has only been on two episodes, so I will give it a chance to grow too.  I have to admit at this point that it looks like it will be pretty bad though lol.

[formerlyfreedom]

A reminder that this forum is for discussion of Inhumans; discussion of what happens on Agents of SHIELD or in the comic books may be spoilery for those posters who have not yet read or watched those, so please use spoiler tags if referencing. If you want to talk in greater depth than the episode, there are a couple of topics where you can talk about AOS more The Inhumans in the greater MCU; and the comics in The Comics Thread: A History Of Inhumanity. Posts have been removed that spoiled elements of AOS.

Thank you!

[OtterMommy]

On a positive note.  My 7 year old loved it.

My 8 year old, not so much...

[xfuse]

17 hours ago, shrewd.buddha said:

Another big gripe I had with the show (there are so, so many) :
  Why do Blackbolt and Medusa act as if they are on an alien planet when they transfer to Earth? We see that they intercept transmissions from Earth - they have the ability to intercept NASA's transmissions, which are probably encrypted. 
So, Attalin is  a single city, probably no bigger than Manhattan. You know they don't have enough music and television of their own - - they are probably watching all same bad police procedurals and reality television that we are. 

My problem is that they didn’t react enough or to the right things. It’s one thing to know it but something else to experience it. They should have reacted to the vastness, the sounds, smells, wind, and gravity. Maybe because I read ‘The Expanse’ books and the Martian’s reaction to being on Earth is the reaction I expect.

Edited October 1, 2017 by xfuse
Words are important because no one can read my mind

[Jacks-Son]

1 hour ago, rmontro said:

Anyway, Agents of Shield started out slow also.  Inhumans has only been on two episodes, so I will give it a chance to grow too.  I have to admit at this point that it looks like it will be pretty bad though lol.

To be fair, AoS also started out slow and was bad in the beginning. There were a lot of complaints from fans that the show had so much potential and was bogged down in the beginning. It slowly became the awesome show that it is.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Jacks-Son

[Jamoche]

10 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Black Bolt the Uncaring Jackass.

And they really did set that up from his first scene. It's a classic setup: the leaders are enjoying a bit of alone time when they're interrupted by an urgent call (we assume it's urgent because it's rude to interrupt their alone time). After a bit of character identification - I have no problem with the "remember when we weren't king and queen?" even if it does make me hum "what do the simple folk do?" - we cut straight into the action. We have now established who they are - rulers who care about each other but also about doing their job.

 

But no, actually we haven't. We get a scene of them looking out over the balcony, because we paid for that CGI so by god we're going to use it! First off, that's horrible pacing, which doesn't get better. Second, we now have an entirely different view of who they are - the rulers who get an urgent call and blow it off.

[KaleyFirefly]

On 9/29/2017 at 10:10 PM, Terrafamilia said:

Am I a bad person because, all the murder and treachery and general asshattery aside, I'm kinda with Maximus at this point?

I was totally rooting for Maximus as well. Not only is he played by the most charismatic actor (who I've loved ever since "Misfits"), but why should I root for a monarchy exactly? Maximus wants to free the working people (slaves?) also, so he should be in charge, not the over-privileged royal family.

[paigow]

They could drop more anvils with a scene of Gorgon & Surfer Dudes watching Gladiator

4 minutes ago, KaleyFirefly said:

Maximus wants to free the working people (slaves?) also, so he should be in charge, not the over-privileged royal family.

[SimoneS]

The other thing that struck me is that when the young man didn't get any obvious powers, the king and the rest of the royal family just stood there like a useless fool. It was Maximus who attempted to comfort him. It is clear that none of them care about the "humans" in their population. Apparently, "they" are only useful in the mines.

 

On 9/30/2017 at 3:34 PM, Miles said:

It was in the show.

I missed it so mea culpa to this dreadful show.

[paigow]

Why does Lockjaw delete his teleporting history file after every trip? Lucky they all landed on the same island....  

[ParadoxLost]

20 minutes ago, paigow said:

Why does Lockjaw delete his teleporting history file after every trip? 

Squirrel!

And if you don't get the reference, he got distracted.

Did some poor kid go into that chamber and become a giant dog? Because that is a horrifying enough superpower that I would be like nope, send me to the mines.

[Raja]

31 minutes ago, paigow said:

Why does Lockjaw delete his teleporting history file after every trip? Lucky they all landed on the same island....  

Head canon, he is on the moon and is rotating at a much slower rate than  a rotating earth. Does he have human reasoning or was an early Kree test on a dog?

[CaptainTightpants]

I thought it was decent as far as pilots go, I've certainly seen worse over the years. They tend to be the worst episode of the series so I'm willing to stick with it. 

 

Nobody seems to have mentioned that the mercenaries from the first scene who killed that young girl and the green guy, were the same people who Maximus called to kill Gorgon. So I guess those murders were a set-up to get Gorgon out of the way?

So presumably Maximus already has contacts of some kind earthside. Unless they were more of the seemingly inexhaustible supply of traitorous royal guards. 

Something I'm unclear about is how old Crystal is supposed to be. Is she late teens or an actual adult? She does come across as quite young, naive and impulsive in the premiere. I'm guessing she becomes sympathetic to Maximus' manipulation if the fondling of the photo of her parents is any indication. 

[jhlipton]

On 9/29/2017 at 7:10 PM, Terrafamilia said:

Am I a bad person because, all the murder and treachery and general asshattery aside, I'm kinda with Maximus at this point?

Obvs not alone by any means!

On 9/29/2017 at 10:16 PM, dungeonwriter said:

She can set people on fire, and freeze people. Again, shoot her.

She so should have killed Maximus when he came to visit her.

On 9/29/2017 at 10:39 PM, Gregg247 said:

The main bad guy's Number 2 is EVIL and kills a random gentleman who's just trying to do his job, cleaning his tour bus.  But then she gets killed by the bald queen-with a pocket knife

How we we know Auran is Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil (other than her being the only WoC on the show) if she's not an emotionless killing machine who kills without reason.  Also, there is no reason Medusa wouldn't know about her power to heal, so leaving her was Just Plain Dumb.

On 9/29/2017 at 10:51 PM, Miles said:

What are they mining for and why don't they have robots doing that with all the advanced technological bullshit they have lying around?

For real.

On 9/30/2017 at 2:02 PM, HunterHunted said:

It opens the same way. A transformed Inhuman is running from armed men (preferably with Watchdog insignias from AoS). She runs into Triton. Just as the armed men are about to get Triton and this new Inhuman, Lockjaw appears and transports them to Attilan.

This whole post is perfect, but the opening was pure crap:  "Hello, cute girl. Die, cute girl.  Just lie the the mud like trash, cute girl -- no one gives a crap about you!"

20 hours ago, Miles said:

That the chaimbers prevent the cocooning is the generous interpretation. The not so generous one is that the director, producers and show runner of this have never seen an episode of AoS and thus have no clue how terrigenesis is actually supposed to look like.

More likely, they wanted to cut the cocooning from the budget.

We haven't seen it quite yet, but what are the odds that Maximus repeats the tired trope of forcing the princess to marry him?

[Raja]

10 minutes ago, CaptainTightpants said:

I thought it was decent as far as pilots go, I've certainly seen worse over the years. They tend to be the worst episode of the series so I'm willing to stick with it. 

 

Nobody seems to have mentioned that the mercenaries from the first scene who killed that young girl and the green guy, were the same people who Maximus called to kill Gorgon. So I guess those murders were a set-up to get Gorgon out of the way?

So presumably Maximus already has contacts of some kind earthside. Unless they were more of the seemingly inexhaustible supply of traitorous royal guards. 

 

I think that since it was IMAX the movie reviewers jumped on it as a movie and then all joined in.

As far as the mercenaries I went in thinking Watchdogs. Since his Maximus' agent still had a problem getting to earth with an Inhuman teleporter with the coup going all but ready to refuse I am staying with the theory that if they want to tie the mercenaries into the MCU they are already a character organization and not something new for this series. The revel of Maximus being in charge and ordering the death of a earth Fish Oil Inhuman was about the only thing in the first two hours that makes him the villain and not his brother.

[statsgirl]

@HunterHunted , I'd much rather watch your show than this one.

8 hours ago, Jamoche said:

 After a bit of character identification - I have no problem with the "remember when we weren't king and queen?"

I thought it made them look super callous ("It's so great being kind and queen, I never think of who I was and how I lived before I got all this power and luxury") which of course they were but I doubt that's what the writing was going for.

[Jacks-Son]

It seems there are many people here who got the impression that Medusa and Black Bolt were elitist and did not care for the non-powered Inhumans.  I did not get that impression at all. To me, they seemed like very private people and kept everything close to the vest. The impression I got from Maximus was that he was an asshole who tries very hard to give people the air that he gives a shit what happens to them. He's a patter, meaning he likes to give people that false camaraderie by patting them on the shoulder like he's a friend confiding in you.  He SAYS he's for the little guys, but he's really out for himself.

Now, I don't like the caste system any more than anyone else, excepting those, of course, who relish and prosper from it, but I don't know the circumstances of their system and I'm willing to withhold judgement until I see more. I'm not going to side with Maximus just because he "claims" he's for those who aren't in power.

[blackwing]

I thought it was merely ok and downright slow at times.  I get that they had to have exposition to set the scene and characters, especially for those unfamiliar with the comics.  

I enjoyed the use of powers considering how little we see on  Agents of SHIELD.  But I was most looking forward to seeing Medusa and Crystal's powers.  Crystal barely used hers, and I was pissed that they shaved Medusa's head for budget reasons.

[jhlipton]

1 hour ago, Jacks-Son said:

Now, I don't like the caste system any more than anyone else, excepting those, of course, who relish and prosper from it, but I don't know the circumstances of their system and I'm willing to withhold judgement until I see more. I'm not going to side with Maximus just because he "claims" he's for those who aren't in power.

I've seen enough.  The "lower" castes have to scrabble through dark, dangerous mines to extract whatever with their bare hands, while the "royalty", determined by primogeniture alone basks in luxury.  That is about as far from a fair system as you can get.

It's not about "siding" with Maximus or Black Bolt.  They could both be selfish dolts; but the system itself is broken.

[Jacks-Son]

10 minutes ago, jhlipton said:

I've seen enough.  The "lower" castes have to scrabble through dark, dangerous mines to extract whatever with their bare hands, while the "royalty", determined by primogeniture alone basks in luxury.  That is about as far from a fair system as you can get.

It's not about "siding" with Maximus or Black Bolt.  They could both be selfish dolts; but the system itself is broken.

See, I don't know anything about their system and how it is regulated. All I know is that if Telegenesis leaves you powerless, you work in the mines. If you have some useful power, you don't. What determines usefulness is not explained. I don't see how butterfly wings makes you special, I would have to see how that "gift" is used. Mining with bare hands vs basking in luxury wasn't really made plain. The lives of the non-powered Inhumans wasn't really shown.  Did the show ever go into the homes of the non-powered and show their hardships? I didn't see any of that. Nor did I see how the gifted basked in luxury except for the family dinner where Karnak showed his asshole side. The main problem is that this show left general impressions of the two sides in broad terms: Powerless - Poor with menial labor; Powered - NOT poor. How about showing the powered who are NOT royalty. The Royal Guards were powered; what was their incentive to back Maximus?  Did they feel empathy for the non-powered or were they just pissed off at the Royal Family? Everything was cursory and lacking depth. I loved comics when I was younger, but I've never read anything about the Inhumans besides what I've seen on AoS or quickly read on Wikipedia.

[jhlipton]

20 minutes ago, Jacks-Son said:

See, I don't know anything about their system and how it is regulated. All I know is that if Telegenesis leaves you powerless, you work in the mines. If you have some useful power, you don't.

That's all I need to know (well, that and the lower castes haven't been brainwashed to accept their lot, like in Brave New World).  But we really don't need to know much about the Betas and Deltas to know that Huxley's society is inherently flawed.  (In this analogy, the Royal Guard are like Betas, but realize they could become Deltas or even Gammas at any moment, and not even have the solace of Soma.)

[Jamoche]

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

@HunterHunted , I'd much rather watch your show than this one.

I thought it made them look super callous ("It's so great being kind and queen, I never think of who I was and how I lived before I got all this power and luxury") which of course they were but I doubt that's what the writing was going for.

If she'd answered her damn wristphone it could've been a "remember when we didn't have to deal with emergencies constantly?" But as written, it's what you said.

[paigow]

[Interior: Atillan mining pit]

Maximus: Join me!!! I am going to break the wheel!!

Miner: [whisper to other miner] That sounds familiar....

[statsgirl]

11 hours ago, Jacks-Son said:

See, I don't know anything about their system and how it is regulated. All I know is that if Telegenesis leaves you powerless, you work in the mines. If you have some useful power, you don't. What determines usefulness is not explained. I don't see how butterfly wings makes you special, I would have to see how that "gift" is used. Mining with bare hands vs basking in luxury wasn't really made plain. The lives of the non-powered Inhumans wasn't really shown.  Did the show ever go into the homes of the non-powered and show their hardships? I didn't see any of that.

I don't think the show needs to show the homes of the non-powered before the audience understands that their lives are worse than the lives of those with power.  No one should have to work in mines if there are people with powers who can do the work more easily.

Those with no gifts live underground in what looks like tenement houses, those with gifts live in the light.  Whether you have a gift is based on not merit or hard work but on what Nature gives you.

It's a terrible system and the show is going to have its work cut out for it proving why I should root for Black Bolt, Medusa or any of their class.

Also Karnak treated that serving girl horribly.  What an ass.

[Raja]

17 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I don't think the show needs to show the homes of the non-powered before the audience understands that their lives are worse than the lives of those with power.  No one should have to work in mines if there are people with powers who can do the work more easily.

Those with no gifts live underground in what looks like tenement houses, those with gifts live in the light.  Whether you have a gift is based on not merit or hard work but on what Nature gives you.

It's a terrible system and the show is going to have its work cut out for it proving why I should root for Black Bolt, Medusa or any of their class.

Also Karnak treated that serving girl horribly.  What an ass.

I think that the show leaned to heavily on the comics fans knowing a comic back story. Hence some of those fans talking about classic Inhumans versus new characters created for Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D not being those who they waited decades to see. Right now the royalty are only heroes because we know that they were heroes in another format 

[Jamoche]

39 minutes ago, Raja said:

I think that the show leaned to heavily on the comics fans knowing a comic back story. Hence some of those fans talking about classic Inhumans versus new characters created for Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D not being those who they waited decades to see. Right now the royalty are only heroes because we know that they were heroes in another format 

That's remarkably inept of them given all the press about "Look at us making a movie TV show about characters that only the most hard-core Marvel fans have ever heard of."

I figure I'm pretty typical of the non-reader audience - I like science fiction and the genre comics tend to fall into, I just never read any of them. I knew all about the DC characters that have been on TV and movies since forever, I'd seen the Marvel movies and some of the TV, I'd picked up on characters like Captain America before the movies started from cultural osmosis - and all I know about the Inhumans came from that pilot. They did not manage to pull off anything close to what Guardians of the Galaxy did with characters that also were essentially unknown outside the comic readership.

[Raja]

I guess Ant-Man being made because one director had an ideal, even if it was seized back by Marvel left the guy who wanted to do his Inhumans with confidence