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During their journey towards enlightenment in Israel, drama erupts when Asa drops a bombshell during a group lunch at the Dead Sea; GG makes a decision that involves her boyfriend, Shalom; Asa reveals the gender of her baby during a group dinner.

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Since I don't know Asa personally, I can't ask her.  So, I need to google the word "pregnant" to find it's meaning.  It must be a burden to be the only  woman ever to experience it.

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14 minutes ago, nexxie said:

I've known 45 year-olds who got pregnant the usual way - is that really so unusual?

It is. A woman's fertility starts rapidly declining after 35. There are about 4 million births every year in the US. About 4,000 births are to women 45 or older.

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MJ seems like a wreck to me, even before the sick dad - imo she has way too much of her mother in her!

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15 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

It is. A woman's fertility starts rapidly declining after 35. There are about 4 million births every year in the US. About 4,000 births are to women 45 or older.

Guess I know some Fertile Myrtles!

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31 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

It is. A woman's fertility starts rapidly declining after 35. There are about 4 million births every year in the US. About 4,000 births are to women 45 or older.

Good grief 4 million births in the US alone, has no one ever thought of over population ,water, air,  all of the finite resources  available on our Earth?

I feel that we as a civilization are doomed to extinction by our own actions.

Hopefully I will be long gone before the next big "boom" , man made or natural extinction.

And NO I am not some dooms day prepper.

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1 hour ago, nexxie said:

I've known 45 year-olds who got pregnant the usual way - is that really so unusual?

3 people in my family, including my sister did which word worry me if my partner didn't have a vasectomy. Isn't Asa 40?

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43 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Guess I know some Fertile Myrtles!

My mom and grandmother. Grandma had her last kid at 47. However, you have to remember that there are hundreds of women in your extended social circle who aren't or can't have children in their 40s. Though I remember reading about an infertility treatment, which dramatically improves a woman's chance at conceiving. It is flushing a woman's fallopian tubes with poppy seed oil. It's apparently existed for 100 years and very successful.

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MJ?  If you're that worried about your father, why'd you go to Israel?

As someone who is dealing with this, it's because the decline of a loved one can go on for a very long time while the end can always feel like it might be right around the corner. You have to balance continuing to live your life with the knowledge that doing so may mean that you're not there in the end. I have no problems ridiculing MJ for any number of things, but I have empathy for her on that one.

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12 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

These people cry more in an hour than I cry in a year.

I know, right? 

 

I love how they judge Asa and then wonder why she doesn't feel comfortable enough to share with them. I thought her and MJ were closer though.  

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29 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

These people cry more in an hour than I cry in a year.

Notice Asa didn't care about MJ's tears! The boredom was evident to Mike who's quite protective of MJ! Asa getting on my nerves and's so full of herself; nothing new really! It's only going to get worse since she anticipates being the best mother in the whole freakin' world! Asa and MJ haven't been close in a while! It all culminated with MJ holding that bachelor event for Reza and didn't invite Asa! They've hugged it out a couple times, but Asa's been standoffish ever since! MJ has resentment over how it's going now and she feels the distance between them! Asa begrudgingly made her announcement about having a boy! I would have told her she can keep the info if she has to announce it that way! I'm just no fan of this woman any longer! ;-)

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It was interesting how Asa has the whole "Persian Pop Priestess"/empowering women vibe and at the slightest hint of criticism, completely falls to pieces and turns petty with the the whole "I wasn't going to tell you the sex of the baby."

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7 minutes ago, The Closer said:

As someone who is dealing with this, it's because the decline of a loved one can go on for a very long time while the end can always feel like it might be right around the corner. You have to balance continuing to live your life with the knowledge that doing so may mean that you're not there in the end. I have no problems ridiculing MJ for any number of things, but I have empathy for her on that one.

I understand.  I went through it twice myself.  But, with MJ's father, his condition is relatively new.  To be a world away  from him before his actual long term condition has been determined would, to me, add a tremendous amount of stress that would be alleviated by staying home.  It's not like she's been making sacrifices dealing  with her father's situation for a long time..  Different strokes and all that.

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2 hours ago, nexxie said:

I've known 45 year-olds who got pregnant the usual way - is that really so unusual?

No.  I know plenty of people who have.  I will say that all the ones I know have had children in their younger years so getting pregnant wasn't hard for them.

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

Grandma had her last kid at 47.

Mine too.  She was married at 26 had her first child at 27 and had a child every five years and her last was at 47.  I wanted to know how she DID NOT get pregnant between children considering it was the 1930s.

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I might be in the minority, and I get this is a TV show where people share their lives but... I don't think Asa should have to share how she got pregnant with anyone. It's between her, Jermaine, and her doctor. I do think it's extremely brave of MJ to share her life in such an open way - but this topic is deeply personal.

I think the crew is angry that Jermaine isn't on the show. The rest of them bring on their significant others and get judged by the viewing public and they resent Asa for not having to deal with this. But to be fair, the Jackson family is one of the most famous families in the world with unparalleled media coverage. I could see - Jermaine JR not looking at reality TV the same way the Shahs do. Perhaps he really does value his privacy. And doesn't take it for granted considering his last name.

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16 minutes ago, Miss Slay said:

I might be in the minority, and I get this is a TV show where people share their lives but... I don't think Asa should have to share how she got pregnant with anyone. It's between her, Jermaine, and her doctor. I do think it's extremely brave of MJ to share her life in such an open way - but this topic is deeply personal.

I think the crew is angry that Jermaine isn't on the show. The rest of them bring on their significant others and get judged by the viewing public and they resent Asa for not having to deal with this. But to be fair, the Jackson family is one of the most famous families in the world with unparalleled media coverage. I could see - Jermaine JR not looking at reality TV the same way the Shahs do. Perhaps he really does value his privacy. And doesn't take it for granted considering his last name.

It's the hypocrisy of Asa calling other people out saying "you're so fake!" ;-)

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1 hour ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

It's the hypocrisy of Asa calling other people out saying "you're so fake!" ;-)

Except we don't know that she is lying about if she used the embryos or not and they all seem convinced. My grandmother had 17 pregnancies all were boys so assuming that Asa had to use her frozen embryos to get pregnant with a boy is ridiculous.

Also, curious what the actual convo with MJ about freezing her eggs was like because frozen eggs are less viable than frozen embryos so I wonder if that was part of Asa's questioning. 

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24 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Except we don't know that she is lying about if she used the embryos or not and they all seem convinced. My grandmother had 17 pregnancies all were boys so assuming that Asa had to use her frozen embryos to get pregnant with a boy.

Also, curious what the actual convo with MJ about freezing her eggs was like because frozen eggs are less viable than frozen embryos so I wonder if that was part of Asa's questioning. 

Where I have a problem, is that Asa thinks that MJ, and everyone else, should be an open book for her to question. She wants private details of their lives, resents when they don't share with her but then refuses to share hers with them. With 1 hand she tells MJ (or whoever) that she is asking because she is their "friend" but then with her other hand, she slaps them away when they ask similar questions of her, telling them she doesn't share with them because they aren't "friends". 

I also noticed tonight that she got upset/jealous that the rest of them were sympathetic with/for MJ concerning her father/chaotic life, so much so that she decided to take that supportive moment away from MJ and turn it on herself by announcing the baby's gender (but only after admonishing them first). 

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5 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Where I have a problem, is that Asa thinks that MJ, and everyone else, should be an open book for her to question. She wants private details of their lives, resents when they don't share with her but then refuses to share hers with them. With 1 hand she tells MJ (or whoever) that she is asking because she is their "friend" but then with her other hand, she slaps them away when they ask similar questions of her, telling them she doesn't share with them because they aren't "friends". 

I also noticed tonight that she got upset/jealous that the rest of them were sympathetic with/for MJ concerning her father/chaotic life, so much so that she decided to take that supportive moment away from MJ and turn it on herself by announcing the baby's gender (but only after admonishing them first). 

You noticed? MJ was getting too much attention so Asa had to bring it back to her; "resentfully" by saying how much she wasn't feeling it for them at this time! Asa's about as easy to read as a comic book! She so common and petty, demanding everyone to revolve around in her orbit to cater to her every need! When this kid comes out, watch out! True dependence will take over; emotionally and physically! I can hear it now; "I just gave birth to a human being! Rub my feet b!tches!" ;-)

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6 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

You noticed? MJ was getting too much attention so Asa had to bring it back to her; "resentfully" by saying how much she wasn't feeling it for them at this time! Asa's about as easy to read as a comic book! She so common and petty, demanding everyone to revolve around in her orbit to cater to her every need! When this kid comes out, watch out! True dependence will take over; emotionally and physically! I can hear it now; "I just gave birth to a human being! Rub my feet b!tches!" ;-)

Asa has been doing this since episode 1. LOL She loves to call the others out about them not being "honest/open" with their lives but she refuses to be that way about her own life. And, she is thick as thieves with Reza and helps him whenever he goes after 1 of the others, like GG last season. Asa is as fake as the rest of them, if not more so IMO. 

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MJ - needing a kidney and needing a baby are not the same.  And, only being willing to marry Tommy if he knocks you up, but otherwise refusing to consider marriage because he eats hard candy, smokes around your dog, and likes the Mets ...  I have no words for your ignorant ample ass.

GG - I doubt your Jewish boyfriends's parents are so worried about your Muslim roots as they are about your terroristic proclivities.  You've shown yourself to be one scary fucking bitch, with a penchant for knives.  And tattooing his name on your body after 2 months of dating isn't exactly making you look any more stable or sane.

Asa - le sigh.  You never change.

Boys - don't think you're off the hook; my hands hurt and it's past my bedtime; that's all.

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11 hours ago, The Closer said:

As someone who is dealing with this, it's because the decline of a loved one can go on for a very long time while the end can always feel like it might be right around the corner. You have to balance continuing to live your life with the knowledge that doing so may mean that you're not there in the end. I have no problems ridiculing MJ for any number of things, but I have empathy for her on that one.

The way I dealt with travel when my dad was ill but doing better was figuring out what return flights were available. Sometimes talking two cars so I could leave to get to my dad and allow my boyfriend to stay and compete in his sport. I traveled with the notebook I had for him so I could discuss with the Dr. over the phone if need be while trying to get back there. I made arrangements with my brother, and assisted living in case of an emergency. I made sure that my cars and dad's transport van were always full of gas. 

Going out of country or across the country was out of the question. I would only travel when he was stable. The farthest I went from LA was San Francisco, Las Vegas and Tucson. Only once, trip to Vegas, did my brother have to take him to the hospital when I was away, and he was released about 6 hours later later from the ER. My dad said it ended up being taken care of and the Dr. assured him early on that I didn't need me to come back so no need to call me.

Those trips, few that they were, allowed me to refresh and regenerate. 

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I, for one, wish MJ would share a whole lot less - not sharing her ass, nipples and vagina would be a good start.

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8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Where I have a problem, is that Asa thinks that MJ, and everyone else, should be an open book for her to question. She wants private details of their lives, resents when they don't share with her but then refuses to share hers with them. With 1 hand she tells MJ (or whoever) that she is asking because she is their "friend" but then with her other hand, she slaps them away when they ask similar questions of her, telling them she doesn't share with them because they aren't "friends". 

I also noticed tonight that she got upset/jealous that the rest of them were sympathetic with/for MJ concerning her father/chaotic life, so much so that she decided to take that supportive moment away from MJ and turn it on herself by announcing the baby's gender (but only after admonishing them first). 

This.

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8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Where I have a problem, is that Asa thinks that MJ, and everyone else, should be an open book for her to question. She wants private details of their lives, resents when they don't share with her but then refuses to share hers with them. With 1 hand she tells MJ (or whoever) that she is asking because she is their "friend" but then with her other hand, she slaps them away when they ask similar questions of her, telling them she doesn't share with them because they aren't "friends". 

I also noticed tonight that she got upset/jealous that the rest of them were sympathetic with/for MJ concerning her father/chaotic life, so much so that she decided to take that supportive moment away from MJ and turn it on herself by announcing the baby's gender (but only after admonishing them first). 

The way these shows are edited, it's not clear when Asa's announcement really happened.

Also, Asa mentioned that MJ manipulates with her emotional outbursts, and that might have played into her timing, if it wasn't the editing.

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I think I have reached my limit with MJ she is just insufferable.   The only reason that she is riding so hard on the “bastard” issue is because it is a dig at Asa.  Who in this day and age use that word to describe a baby and ultimately what does it matter?  I don’t blame Asa for her feelings about it. 

MJ and Tommie sighhhhhh. Run Tommie run.  I just don’t see them lasting. I have no words on that immature BS list of reasons  not to get married MJ  gave.  I think MJ is only with him because he loves her not because she loves him.  He fulfills her need for sperm donor  - We’ll get married once I know I’m pregnant – WTF?!?!?  IF YOU LOVE HIM then you would marry him baby or not.  

And I bet dollars to donuts that if they were to get married and have a child (in whatever order) I foresee a divorce. Because once MJ has those two titles under her belt (mother and wife) the bloom will unfortunately fade from Tommie and he will suddenly not be the "man" she thought.   For MJ Tommie is a means to an end and will become roadkill. 

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14 minutes ago, nexxie said:

The way these shows are edited, it's not clear when Asa's announcement really happened.

Also, Asa mentioned that MJ manipulates with her emotional outbursts, and that might have played into her timing, if it wasn't the editing.

The scene didn't look chopped or edited to make it appear as something it was not, you can see that MJ's face is still wet from crying when Asa cuts in. Asa has done this before, especially when it comes to MJ, she resents when anyone gives MJ positive attention or emotional support, MJ/Asa do this to each other, which shows me Asa is no better than MJ. As for MJ manipulating the others, Asa manipulates just as much but in a different, Persian Priestess, way. And both of them knock the other down fighting for a space next to Reza's colon! 

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To be blunt.... Fuck off MJ. She keeps talking about a bastard baby to take a shot at Asa. That is beyond disgusting! I don't Care if MJ was crying,  is Asa not supposed to talk about the sex of the baby because MJ was crying again?  If I was Asa,  I'd be pissed that some of these people infer that my child is a bastard. That is not what friends do.  

Asa is pregnant for the first time, I'm sure many woman act like they are the first and only to get pregnant. It's just how some  women act (actually a lot of women). 

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13 hours ago, jumper sage said:

Mine too.  She was married at 26 had her first child at 27 and had a child every five years and her last was at 47.  I wanted to know how she DID NOT get pregnant between children considering it was the 1930s.

When my grandma died, my aunt choked out that my grandma "had so much life left to live." We were all like "No, she didn't. You were born when she was almost 50. She was in her 90s when she died. She really didn't."

Asa is never as candid with the group as they are with her or each other. I'm a little shocked that she came back this season because you could tell reciprocity was going to be an issue this season just based on last season's reunion. She said that she's not putting Jermaine or the baby on the show, which is fine. However, she's got precious little to offer viewers besides that. Her art is immature, superficial, and laughable. I commend her success in business, but I don't just want to watch Asa kaftan photoshoots, fashion shows, or opening her boutique. Also if she was even the least bit capable of taking others into account, she'd know that viewers have been clamoring for a cookbook/entertainment book for years on this and many other sites, but instead she publishes her "find your inner goddess" claptrap. It's not that I'm fully against her businesses being her primary story, but I need some variation. It's been Asa kaftans for at least 3 seasons. I need some variation. Next season could be writing her cookbook Entertaining Tehrangeles Style: A Guide to Global Glamorous Persian Pop Hospitality. She could expand to housewares after that. I'm not averse to business as a storyline, but the minute and negligible advancements of her businesses from season to season do nothing for me.

2 hours ago, NYCNJbear06 said:

I think I have reached my limit with MJ she is just insufferable.   The only reason that she is riding so hard on the “bastard” issue is because it is a dig at Asa.  Who in this day and age use that word to describe a baby and ultimately what does it matter?  I don’t blame Asa for her feelings about it. 

MJ and Tommie sighhhhhh. Run Tommie run.  I just don’t see them lasting. I have no words on that immature BS list of reasons  not to get married MJ  gave.  I think MJ is only with him because he loves her not because she loves him.  He fulfills her need for sperm donor  - We’ll get married once I know I’m pregnant – WTF?!?!?  IF YOU LOVE HIM then you would marry him baby or not.  

I agree that MJ is doubling down on the bastard issue because she's jealous. On the off chance that Reza and Adam actually adopt, she's not going to call that kid a bastard even though that child will likely not be born during a marriage. Additionally, we know how thirstily MJ is in copying Kim Kardashian. If MJ ever had the occasion to meet Kim, I'm fairly certain that MJ wouldn't be insistent on asking about the well-being of the bastard North West.

Tommy loves MJ and all things considered, he's a pretty good guy. If she had any sense, she'd be working with him to help them achieve that the life they both want. 

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I'm over Asa. She can leave any time. She's only smiling when she's talking about herself.

Is it me or has the food porn sucked this season. 

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2 hours ago, imjagain said:

To be blunt.... Fuck off MJ. She keeps talking about a bastard baby to take a shot at Asa. That is beyond disgusting! I don't Care if MJ was crying,  is Asa not supposed to talk about the sex of the baby because MJ was crying again?  If I was Asa,  I'd be pissed that some of these people infer that my child is a bastard. That is not what friends do.  

Asa is pregnant for the first time, I'm sure many woman act like they are the first and only to get pregnant. It's just how some  women act (actually a lot of women). 

I agree that MJ's and Mike's comments about Asa's baby being a "bastard" are hideous to say the least but that doesn't excuse her, Asa's, cloak and dagger act about "sharing" her "real life" with them", she has been pulling that stunt since the show premiered. No matter what, MJ is going through something that is difficult for most people, the decline/soon to be death of her father (the only loving/supportive parent she has) and Asa hasn't shown an ounce of sympathy for her. And, seriously, what did Asa expect after last season when she called out both Mike and MJ for "not being honest and real" about their lives? 

 Asa first had to belittle all of them, for not being a "good friend" to her, before she shared the gender of the baby, IMO, she hasn't been a "good friend" to any of them either. 

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Pretty shitty thing to do Asa. Freezing your eggs then going with MJ, who's just starting to explore IVF, all the while keeping mum about your experience while you wheedle info and emotions out of MJ. That's just cruel and selfish.

Bitch!

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2 minutes ago, Giselle said:

Pretty shitty thing to do Asa. Freezing your eggs then going with MJ, who's just starting to explore IVF, all the while keeping mum about your experience while you wheedle info and emotions out of MJ. That's just cruel and selfish.

Bitch!

It is such a petty thing to do, really petty, and exposes just how much Asa hides her own real life from we, the viewer, but also from her co-stars on the show. She is all about exposing their weaknesses to build herself up so she can make herself look better than them on the show. She is not a nice person by any stretch of the imagination IMO. 

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10 minutes ago, Giselle said:

Pretty shitty thing to do Asa. Freezing your eggs then going with MJ, who's just starting to explore IVF, all the while keeping mum about your experience while you wheedle info and emotions out of MJ. That's just cruel and selfish.

Bitch!

it was embryos.

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Off the subject of Asa and her embryo's (I personally don't give a rat's ass how she got pregnant), I have to say that when Reza started his crying shaky voice routine at the dinner I just wanted to punch him in the throat! Not an ounce of sympathy for that man. 

Oh, and MJ, apparently you never did get pregnant the very next month. So shut up with your meaningless high school ideas and just go straight for the in-vitro treatments. Times a wasting. 

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13 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

MJ - needing a kidney and needing a baby are not the same.  And, only being willing to marry Tommy if he knocks you up, but otherwise refusing to consider marriage because he eats hard candy, smokes around your dog, and likes the Mets ...  I have no words for your ignorant ample ass.

GG - I doubt your Jewish boyfriends's parents are so worried about your Muslim roots as they are about your terroristic proclivities.  You've shown yourself to be one scary fucking bitch, with a penchant for knives.  And tattooing his name on your body after 2 months of dating isn't exactly making you look any more stable or sane.

Asa - le sigh.  You never change.

Boys - don't think you're off the hook; my hands hurt and it's past my bedtime; that's all.

MJ is crazy and I think she's in deep, deep denial about the state of her father's health. Of course, thank God, I've never had to deal with that sort of thing, but he looks like he is suffering from way more than the "mild stroke" she describes. Tommy's not my cup of tea, but he loves her and she needs to shit or get off the pot. I think she must have been totally drunk when offering up that list because it made no sense. Eats hard candy?

I also doubt Shalom's parents would appreciate the tattoo. Isn't that taboo in the Jewish faith? He was gracious about it but also made it clear he thinks that was kind of ridiculous. GG: the boys warned you!

Shervin cracked me up when MJ was saying how all she has to do is ovulate and fuck and voila, she'll be preggers. He was like, No! That is so not going to happen, girl.

Asa is a sanctimonious cow and I bet she's dying for Jermaine to pop the question. Do you guys think he will? I have absolutely no idea.

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16 minutes ago, politichick said:

MJ is crazy and I think she's in deep, deep denial about the state of her father's health. Of course, thank God, I've never had to deal with that sort of thing, but he looks like he is suffering from way more than the "mild stroke" she describes. Tommy's not my cup of tea, but he loves her and she needs to shit or get off the pot. I think she must have been totally drunk when offering up that list because it made no sense. Eats hard candy?

I also doubt Shalom's parents would appreciate the tattoo. Isn't that taboo in the Jewish faith? He was gracious about it but also made it clear he thinks that was kind of ridiculous. GG: the boys warned you!

Shervin cracked me up when MJ was saying how all she has to do is ovulate and fuck and voila, she'll be preggers. He was like, No! That is so not going to happen, girl.

Asa is a sanctimonious cow and I bet she's dying for Jermaine to pop the question. Do you guys think he will? I have absolutely no idea.

Denial is not uncommon when a parent is facing death like MJ's father was at the time. I agree, she needs to either marry Tommy or let him go.

I don't think JJ will marry Asa, if he hasn't asked/married her after 7+ years, it is unlikely that he will now.

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2 hours ago, Giselle said:

 

Is it me or has the food porn sucked this season. 

What food porn? I remember if someone was just stopping by they'd put out a spread in beautiful dishes. Nuts, apricots, dates, cheeses, crackers, and dips. All would be on tablecloths tablescaped. Now someone is lucky just to get a glass of wine. So much for showing off their cultures. They've gotten lazy about it or just don't care about the castmates they have into their homes. 

I don't know that I'd even want to eat in MJ's place. Doesn't look sanitary. 

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The veil (or should I say burkha) has been lifted and Asa's true colors are finally showing. She can no longer hide behind the facade of Persian pop priestess espousing ideals of love, acceptance, peace and unity. It was utterly telling that Asa could not even feign a few moments of sympathy for MJ during the dinner at House Number 3.  Instead she whips out her phone to take pictures of her food while MJ is in tears.

Asa has never been my favorite but I must have been one of the few that truly believed she came from a good place and always wanted harmony for their circle of friends. I don't think so anymore. That bitch probably doesn't have a genuine bone in her body. I'm willing to bet she had IVF treatments from one of the frozen embryos.

I've always found Asa's over top top artistic antics amusing (for example, I was cracking up the first time she did her talking head interview with the gold necklace over her face) but her inauthenticity is now vexing. I won't be sad to see her leave the show.

Despite knowing what it is like to be ostracized as he indicated in his histrionic yet all-too-familiar crying speech, Reza has done exactly that to almost every member of the group except Asa (who might actually deserve it). Has he learned nothing from his childhood? That man is utterly loathsome in carrying on the cycle of emotional abuse.

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6 hours ago, WireWrap said:

The scene didn't look chopped or edited to make it appear as something it was not, you can see that MJ's face is still wet from crying when Asa cuts in. Asa has done this before, especially when it comes to MJ, she resents when anyone gives MJ positive attention or emotional support, MJ/Asa do this to each other, which shows me Asa is no better than MJ. As for MJ manipulating the others, Asa manipulates just as much but in a different, Persian Priestess, way. And both of them knock the other down fighting for a space next to Reza's colon! 

I get what you're saying - but for me MJ is insufferable and Asa sufferable, so...

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2 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

it was embryos.

Eggs or embryos who cares, it is still a shitty thing Asa did. 

She still had to have had egg retrieval to freeze embryos. She could have shared that with MJ but no not Asa. 

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1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

What food porn? I remember if someone was just stopping by they'd put out a spread in beautiful dishes. Nuts, apricots, dates, cheeses, crackers, and dips. All would be on tablecloths tablescaped. Now someone is lucky just to get a glass of wine. So much for showing off their cultures. They've gotten lazy about it or just don't care about the castmates they have into their homes. 

I don't know that I'd even want to eat in MJ's place. Doesn't look sanitary. 

 

Exactly. The porn has only come from restaurants and it hasn't been good.

 

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Denial is not uncommon when a parent is facing death like MJ's father was at the time. I agree, she needs to either marry Tommy or let him go.

I don't think JJ will marry Asa, if he hasn't asked/married her after 7+ years, it is unlikely that he will now.

 

Agree.

Asa will never hurt for money even if they never marry or they break up. 

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