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Asa plans a trip to the ancient Israeli city of Akko to shoot a documentary, but her plan backfires as religious tension between Mike and GG comes to a head; during an emotional trip to the Western Wall, Reza attempts to tap into his Jewish side.

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I'm so confused as to why these horrible people decided to go to Israel.  I'm also confused as to which one I hate the most.  It's a tie between Asa and MJ.  I think Asa is leading.

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3 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I'm so confused as to why these horrible people decided to go to Israel.  I'm also confused as to which one I hate the most.  It's a tie between Asa and MJ.  I think Asa is leading.

Does she ever really stop kvetchin'? What a nag! I'm probably as bad, but I don't inflict myself on people and prefer to be left alone in my old age! If you drag me out, expect me to be dragging! Asa's always unhappy about something; the heat, the smoke, the dirt, the long flight, etc.! Ok, why not just stay home? Everyone else has to go thru the same situations! Shhheesshhh! ;-(

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5 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

Everyone else has to go thru the same situations!

Everyone else isn't the first woman ever to be pregnant. ;)

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18 minutes ago, OnceSane said:

Everyone else isn't the first woman ever to be pregnant. ;)

She's going to have to take this up with Peggy from RHOC because I thought Armenians were the first people to ever get pregnant. ;)

I recently traveled to Israel and I am tuning in to see some of what they saw. I already know I'm going to regret my decision. I watched about 10 minutes of the first episode of the season and tapped out when MJ and Reza went to the bleaching salon. 

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Ugh, Asa and her dumb art projects. I find it interesting that she got to speak to the religious leaders and gave everyone else the task of wandering the streets with a video camera to intrusively ask strangers if they were Jewish or Muslim. Especially knowing the dumb shit coming out of her friends' mouths, it's unbelievable that she didn't have some of them tag along on her visit with religious leaders. Except for Mike, none of them is even nominally religiously adherent.

If GG, Shervin, and Asa were going to be that bothered by Reza saying anti-Islamic things, you would think one of them would insist that part of the trip include historical tours with an exploration of the Muslim religion.

MJ's disgusting feet are horrifying. 

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I can't imagine why people would be uncomfortable being asked "Are you Muslim? Are you Jewish?" in English, with a camera or five shoved in their faces.

ETA For all his crazy Mike has been right about a few things. One, don't mess with those cats. Two, it's really crass and foolish to walk around acting like ugly Americans with no understanding of where you are. I personally think Mike was TOO freaked out, but his point about being strangers in town, acting like bulls in china shops, showed some insight.

On the other hand, that Shabbat dinner was just sweet. Shervin's greeting seemed fine to me :) But I don't get why the shah ladies got all tarted up...

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24 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Why is Reza always crying?   Never mind.  I don't care enough for anyone to waste their time trying to explain it.

He and Adam are  trying to get pregnant. Those hormone shots are miserable  ?

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7 minutes ago, Willowsmom said:

He and Adam are  trying to get pregnant. Those hormone shots are miserable  ?

Excuse me but when do a man. Get a hormone shot to get his womb get ready ? Do they have a surrogate there? 

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1 hour ago, ivygirl said:

I can't imagine why people would be uncomfortable being asked "Are you Muslim? Are you Jewish?" in English, with a camera or five shoved in their faces.

ETA For all his crazy Mike has been right about a few things. One, don't mess with those cats. Two, it's really crass and foolish to walk around acting like ugly Americans with no understanding of where you are. I personally think Mike was TOO freaked out, but his point about being strangers in town, acting like bulls in china shops, showed some insight.

On the other hand, that Shabbat dinner was just sweet. Shervin's greeting seemed fine to me :) But I don't get why the shah ladies got all tarted up...

I'm sorry, but that's right up there with asking someone if they're male or female! People are such jerks sometimes and they just can't help making fools of themselves halfway round the world! ;-)

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1 hour ago, Willowsmom said:

He and Adam are  trying to get pregnant. Those hormone shots are miserable  ?

Apparently Reza has to pee as often as a pregnant woman so maybe you're on to something.

Tonight the camera zoomed in on MJ's nasty, dirty feet.  We get it.  She's a pig.

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Reza with the cats was like me on my last trip to Turkey and Greece. "Wow look at these ancient ruin -- oh look, KITTY!" I probably took as many pictures of all the different cats as I did of the beautiful sights. There was even a cat cleaning its butt in the Hagia Sophia (that's what I love about cats - they give no fucks). However, I did not feed them and throw food at their face or climb on dumpsters to pet them like Reza did.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, MsDiva2007 said:

why is that lady from the Peoples Couch on here?

Backdoor cast member she has been on a few episodes before the trip.

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9 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

It was a joke.

I think Reza is very sensitive about his father and anything to do with that situation comes up it's too much for him.

Especially if a camera is nearby.

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Most poignant part was the dedication to Mike's late great aunt Emi at the end of the episode. I choked up for a second.

What does it say about these people that I feel more for someone who graced the screen for a mere minute or two than any of the Shahs?

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Okay, I just watched the episode and perhaps I am a bit touchy due to the events of the past weekend, but as Jew I want to slap GG all the way back to LA. 

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5 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

Okay, I just watched the episode and perhaps I am a bit touchy due to the events of the past weekend, but as Jew I want to slap GG all the way back to LA. 

Unfortunately GG's just an ignorant child that hasn't grown up since her teens! I knew she was a psycho early on with the animus she has for her sister! The b!tch actually threatened to stab her in the stomach when she was pregnant in front of her father! Everyone's let her behavior slide and I would have distanced myself from her ages ago! She has no redeeming values and her nonstop apology tour just has never cut it with me! Friendship isn't that hard! When you make a spectacle of yourself making an accusation about an x-rated tape, then can't produce it after ripping someone else's reputation, anything short of total contrition to GAWD wouldn't be acceptable! I'd tell her to go jump off a freakin' bridge! ;-(

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1 hour ago, Juneau Gal said:

Okay, I just watched the episode and perhaps I am a bit touchy due to the events of the past weekend, but as Jew I want to slap GG all the way back to LA. 

I'm not Jewish, Christian or Moslem and I want to smack her 'till she learns some tolerance.

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2 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

Okay, I just watched the episode and perhaps I am a bit touchy due to the events of the past weekend, but as Jew I want to slap GG all the way back to LA. 

I am Catholic and wanna do the same. Could she have been any more disrespectful? If her Jewish bf was there would she tell him it is "just a wall?"  Seriously...how can being there not move you one bit?  it is a Holy place.....even if you don't believe in that religion, aren't you at least moved emotionally by the history of it?  She really has something wrong with her emotionally...like she is stunted or something and the only emotion she can tap into is anger.

And how in the hell can she say Reza was being disrespectful to Muslims when THEY WERE AT A JEWISH DINNER and he was embracing it and thanking them?? She freaking was invited and went and then gets a puss face?  I do not really like Reza and I did not see any disrespect in what he said.  I really think she seriously looks for shit to get pissed at for no reason.  Not to mention that she went on and on when MJ showed up at her parent anniv party late and was all like " do not ever disrespect my family" yet she gets pissy faced in front of Mike's family for no reason?  

 

Don't even get me started on Asa and her bs. She is such a phony.....so now this season she is a Filmmaker?. lol 

 

I will say though that other than the occasional bs, I am enjoying this Israel trip because they are showing much more of the scenery and places whereas the last few trips have been them just laying around pool, getting drunk, getting massages and taking nude pics in the pool. Israel has never really been a thought to me as a destination and it is nice too see it and I have been pleasantly surprised....The landscape and seeing Jerusalem and Western Wall was so interesting....also hanging head in shame that I did not know Tel Aviv is on the water!

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3 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

I am Catholic and wanna do the same. Could she have been any more disrespectful? If her Jewish bf was there would she tell him it is "just a wall?"  Seriously...how can being there not move you one bit?  it is a Holy place.....even if you don't believe in that religion, aren't you at least moved emotionally by the history of it?  She really has something wrong with her emotionally...like she is stunted or something and the only emotion she can tap into is anger.

And how in the hell can she say Reza was being disrespectful to Muslims when THEY WERE AT A JEWISH DINNER and he was embracing it and thanking them?? She freaking was invited and went and then gets a puss face?  I do not really like Reza and I did not see any disrespect in what he said.  I really think she seriously looks for shit to get pissed at for no reason.  Not to mention that she went on and on when MJ showed up at her parent anniv party late and was all like " do not ever disrespect my family" yet she gets pissy faced in front of Mike's family for no reason?  

 

Don't even get me started on Asa and her bs. She is such a phony.....so now this season she is a Filmmaker?. lol 

 

I will say though that other than the occasional bs, I am enjoying this Israel trip because they are showing much more of the scenery and places whereas the last few trips have been them just laying around pool, getting drunk, getting massages and taking nude pics in the pool. Israel has never really been a thought to me as a destination and it is nice too see it and I have been pleasantly surprised....The landscape and seeing Jerusalem and Western Wall was so interesting....also hanging head in shame that I did not know Tel Aviv is on the water!

GG REALLY upset me with that "just a wall" comment. It's the wall OF A FORMER TEMPLE that dates back to around 500 BCE. If I called Al Aqsa "just a building,"would she be happy? No, I'm sure she'd say it was disrespectful, just as her talk of plowing down the Western Wall was.

Tel Aviv is on the freakin' Mediterranean! :D (I didn't really realize that until I went either)

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5 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

And how in the hell can she say Reza was being disrespectful to Muslims when THEY WERE AT A JEWISH DINNER

Because Reza didn't just say he felt welcomed by them he went out of his way to point out that he hadn't liked being in the Muslim section which there was no need to reference.

I had absolutely no problem with GG.She was respectful and sat quietly by herself and made her comments which were about seeing the wall as a barrier to understanding in her TH. Not everyone is moved emotionally by the Western Wall, I know I wasn't. 

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4 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Because Reza didn't just say he felt welcomed by them he went out of his way to point out that he hadn't liked being in the Muslim section which there was no need to reference.

I had absolutely no problem with GG.She was respectful and sat quietly by herself and made her comments which were about seeing the wall as a barrier to understanding in her TH. Not everyone is moved emotionally by the Western Wall, I know I wasn't. 

The not being moved part didn't bother me as much as her talk about wanting to plow it down.  (That, and that it's not just some random wall. It's one thing to not be moved by it but another to act like it's meaningless.)

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3 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Because Reza didn't just say he felt welcomed by them he went out of his way to point out that he hadn't liked being in the Muslim section which there was no need to reference.

I had absolutely no problem with GG.She was respectful and sat quietly by herself and made her comments which were about seeing the wall as a barrier to understanding in her TH. Not everyone is moved emotionally by the Western Wall, I know I wasn't. 

Why can't these people keep "something" to themselves? Why court the backlash when disparaging something religious or racial? Idiot! ;-(

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Just now, ivygirl said:

The not being moved part didn't bother me as much as her talk about wanting to plow it down. 

She specifically said that in relation to her seeing it as a barrier to faiths coming together noting the temple and the mosque that are behind it.

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The problem with GG's reference re: the Western Wall is that I was very much left to the belief that she thinks it is indeed a wall built to keep people out ala the proposed Mexico wall. I don't think she knows that it is the wall of a former temple. 

She doesn't have to revere it, but she does need to understand what it is and represents before she flaps her yap about it. 

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5 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

She specifically said that in relation to her seeing it as a barrier to faiths coming together noting the temple and the mosque that are behind it.

Then I guess she doesn't realize that if you tore down the wall, you're not just tearing down a barrier... you're tearing down the remainder  of an actual site of worship, which would be the opposite of promoting peace.

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13 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Because Reza didn't just say he felt welcomed by them he went out of his way to point out that he hadn't liked being in the Muslim section which there was no need to reference.

I had absolutely no problem with GG.She was respectful and sat quietly by herself and made her comments which were about seeing the wall as a barrier to understanding in her TH. Not everyone is moved emotionally by the Western Wall, I know I wasn't. 

Then why did she even freaking go?. Seriously? Sitting off quietly WAS disrespectful. It was. Take your judgemental crab face and stay the fuck home. She knew they were going to the Wall, why did she even go?  She had attitide when they first brought up going to Israel...she should never have gone in the first place.

He felt welcomed by Mike family, and not the Muslims....perfectly ok for him to say that. He's Persian and was with Muslims and felt uncomfortable....I think he was surprised by that.. Then again they all acted like asshole Americans which was the root of the issue, not being Muslim or Jew.

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2 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

Then I guess she doesn't realize that if you tore down the wall, you're not just tearing down a barrier... you're tearing down the remainder  of an actual site of worship, which would be the opposite of promoting peace.

No one accused her of being smart or informed but that seemed to me to be the sentiment she was expressing.

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10 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

The problem with GG's reference re: the Western Wall is that I was very much left to the belief that she thinks it is indeed a wall built to keep people out ala the proposed Mexico wall. I don't think she knows that it is the wall of a former temple. 

She doesn't have to revere it, but she does need to understand what it is and represents before she flaps her yap about it. 

Amen. Thats what I was getting at but you said it so much better!

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1 minute ago, Cupcake04 said:

Seriously? Sitting off quietly WAS disrespectful. It was. Tak

How? Plenty of people stand or sit by themselves at the wall, people process it in all different ways there isn't one way to experience it particularly if you are not Jewish.

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I think GG's upset, during the dinner was that she felt Reza was like, Jewish=safe; Muslim=unsafe.  Reza was like, THIS is beautiful but when I was in the MUSLIM part, I felt bad. I felt a bit uncomfortable myself when Reza said that.   

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9 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

How? Plenty of people stand or sit by themselves at the wall, people process it in all different ways there isn't one way to experience it particularly if you are not Jewish.

C'mon, we all saw the same show....she didnt sit off to side to experience it quietly....she sat her ass down on the ground with an attitude and disparaged a Holy site.....openly mocking something isn't the only form of disrespect.  The other women went to cleanse their hands and they PARTICIPATED.....she sat her ass on the ground and said "it is just a wall.". I guaran-fucking-tee you that if Mike or Reza acted the way she did at a Muslim Holy site she would lose her shit.  

I would respect her so much if she had just said I don't feel comfortable going there today and just stayed at the hotel or done something else. 

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I probably would have felt the same way GG felt after hearing Reza the night before.  Yes, we all did see the same show but we don't all see things the same way.

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3 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I think GG's upset, during the dinner was that she felt Reza was like, Jewish=safe; Muslim=unsafe.  Reza was like, THIS is beautiful but when I was in the MUSLIM part, I felt bad. I felt a bit uncomfortable myself when Reza said that.   

But wasn't that the truth of the matter at the moment?  That is how it was shown to the viewers. I read something today from a Mike and Reza interview where they both said they were scared.

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6 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

C'mon, we all saw the same show....she didnt sit off to side to experience it quietly....she sat her ass down on the ground with an attitude and disparaged a Holy site..

I guess we all view things differently because that is not how I saw it at all. I saw her cover up, bathe herself and then walk around the site and sit down by herself not at all uncommon thing I have seen others do in the multiple times I have been there. Also, I just rewatched and they literally never showed her face when she was sitting down.

 

3 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

viewers. I read something today from a Mike and Reza interview where they both said they were scared.

And all we saw as viewers was people respectfully declining to talk on camera, offering free falafel and others engaging in a calm and respectful discussion.

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4 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

But wasn't that the truth of the matter at the moment?  That is how it was shown to the viewers. I read something today from a Mike and Reza interview where they both said they were scared.

That's not how Reza verbalized it.  And when GG tried to explain how it made her feel, Reza did what he always does, he made it all about himself.

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21 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

Then why did she even freaking go?. Seriously? Sitting off quietly WAS disrespectful. It was. Take your judgemental crab face and stay the fuck home. She knew they were going to the Wall, why did she even go?  She had attitide when they first brought up going to Israel...she should never have gone in the first place.

He felt welcomed by Mike family, and not the Muslims....perfectly ok for him to say that. He's Persian and was with Muslims and felt uncomfortable....I think he was surprised by that.. Then again they all acted like asshole Americans which was the root of the issue, not being Muslim or Jew.

Reza only became "uncomfortable" in the Muslim section/neighborhood when Mike got him worked up about them being there. Mike was disrespectful there, even more so than GG at the Western Wall, claiming they were going to be killed. 

1 minute ago, Cupcake04 said:

C'mon, we all saw the same show....she didnt sit off to side to experience it quietly....she sat her ass down on the ground with an attitude and disparaged a Holy site.....openly mocking something isn't the only form of disrespect.  The other women went to cleanse their hands and they PARTICIPATED.....she sat her ass on the ground and said "it is just a wall.". I guaran-fucking-tee you that if Mike or Reza acted the way she did at a Muslim Holy site she would lose her shit.  

I would respect her so much if she had just said I don't feel comfortable going there today and just stayed at the hotel or done something else. 

Mike didn't participate 2 seasons ago when they went to the Mosque in Turkey, he sat outside and complained the whole time. Also, Reza made disgusting comments about the women wearing berkas in Turkey as well. 

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Here is something I think we can all agree on: none of the Shahs should be used as models of decorum or cultural sensitivity. They are, more often than not, flaming self-centered ill informed assholes. 

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35 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I probably would have felt the same way GG felt after hearing Reza the night before.  

Yeah it wasn't super cool or thoughtful how Reza described the day at dinner. And MIke's panicky attitude made things worse. Asa was right (hey, stopped clocks...) when she said that Reza was putting out vibes that would make others feel anxious about him.

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24 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

What turned me off about the Western Wall, was that men and women were separated.  I don't think God would be cool with that.  

Not gonna get all Jewy because this isn't the place for it, but suffice to say the separation of genders is a HUGE point of contention amongst many, many non-Orthodox Jews. The separation is relatively recent and will most likely remain as long as Israel is Orthodox controlled. 

The irony is GG or whomever referencing it on the show as such a bad thing when I believe I remember the genders going separate ways in the Turkish mosque. 

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20 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

What turned me off about the Western Wall, was that men and women were separated.  I don't think God would be cool with that.  

I found it odd that GG and Asa questioned it because Mosque's also separate men/women. In some Jewish beliefs, like Orthodox, the men and women are kept separate in their Synagogues and schools.

 

2 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

Yeah it wasn't super cool or thoughtful how Reza described the day at dinner. And MIke's panicky attitude made things worse. Asa was right (hey, stopped clocks...) when she said that Reza was putting out vibes that would make others feel anxious about him.

I don't think Reza was all that uncomfortable until he heard the Call to Prayer and Mike started to work him up. Until then, he was pretty oblivious that they were in a Muslim neighborhood. 

Asa should have done her homework before she made those plans and she should have included the others in her plans to meet with the religious leaders, not sending them out to ask questions/film strangers. 

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4 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

The irony is GG or whomever referencing it on the show as such a bad thing when I believe I remember the genders going separate ways in the Turkish mosque. 

Which GG acknowledged saying that it was common practice throughout her travels in the ME, ie Muslim countries, but that it still always bothers her wherever it happens.

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I say bravo for the beautiful sights of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem  and wish it could have been left at  that plus the Shabbat dinner minus Mike.   Only Shervin should have made the trip. And maybe the new girl, whoever she is....both as sort of tourists in the background. Everything else, all the "higher" thoughts, political imaginings,   paranoia fantasies,   thoughts of historical significance,   anything having to do with prayer, God,  ecumenicism etc ,  were wasted on this bunch of miscreants.,  It  would have been better if they had just taken their usual  drunken trek  to so some place like vegas where they could have made enemies  anew of one another and steered clear of anything even remotely resembling antiquity much less the holiest of  Holy Lands   

Reza's proclivity for calling virtually every single woman a "b----" puts him at the top of the garbage heap for me, after hearing it over and over and over in that sneering ugly voice of his.    And  the trash goes on and on.....MJ, Oh Lord,....literally, filthy.   In every possible way, just filth;  Asa:  Does someone have to write that B.S. for you or do you come up with it on your own?   GG....whatever .... bored and boring, and Mike, what poor woman would want to be your next Mrs?     It would take more than wailing at the wailing wall, son.    

I see Reza recently lost a lot of weight, shaved off his mustache,  and apparently is in line to get another Bravo show.   Good.  Go away.  

 Once upon a time,  this show had something of a  bit of charm and  was novel enough to make   sense in some ways.   That's all gone .  Goodbye.        

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21 hours ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

Reza with the cats was like me on my last trip to Turkey and Greece. "Wow look at these ancient ruin -- oh look, KITTY!" I probably took as many pictures of all the different cats as I did of the beautiful sights. There was even a cat cleaning its butt in the Hagia Sophia (that's what I love about cats - they give no fucks). However, I did not feed them and throw food at their face or climb on dumpsters to pet them like Reza did.

 

 

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If I could like this post a million times, I would, lol! That would be me too. I'm a sucker for a kitty.

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35 minutes ago, Caseyh1981 said:

If I could like this post a million times, I would, lol! That would be me too. I'm a sucker for a kitty.

Seriously I think that's one pretty good reason why Greece and Turkey (especially Istanbul) are two of my favorite places in the world. And like every shop had a bowl of kibble and a bowl of water outside their doors. There were some stray dogs too (including a Westie in Santorini! - the ones in Turkey were tagged on the ear to indicate they have been spayed/neutered). All totally chill. Just hanging out nonchalantly checking tourists out. I can't wait to go back again someday!

ETA: Also there were like 4 other cats that are cropped out of the picture that were to the right. "Yeah, we rule these streets, basically."

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