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Baz must really trust that woman, to show her his stash. I know they've been together a long time but greed changes people and she may decide she wants it all. Does Smurf know the GF? She may come after her and use her to get Baz to return her money. Also, is Baz just gonna abandon his kid since he's avoiding Smurf? Creep father.

J is building his own stash just in case.  Smart move.

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Well what do you know Craig's plan worked and Niki makes a pretty decent partner.  Better then the other guy who cut of the woman's finger for no real reason.  Still the show better not being heading for the Niki is pregnant and doesn't know which Cody is the daddy because....I think I will barf.

 

8 minutes ago, patty1h said:

Baz must really trust that woman, to show her his stash. I know they've been together a long time but greed changes people and she may decide she wants it all. Does Smurf know the GF? She may come after her and use her to get Baz to return her money. Also, is Baz just gonna abandon his kid since he's avoiding Smurf? Creep father.

 

That's the think I originally thought he was edging his way to rebuilding his old "family" dynamic where the GF watches the kid so he can run wild but honestly I don't think he even thinks about Lena.  I am not sure he cares that the woman he thinks murdered his ex is taking care of his kid.    Now saying that it took me a second to figure out his plan but I got some of it.  When he was doing the digging thing at first I thought he was going to hide the money but instead he shot the guy who Smurf had shot a few episodes early.  Except this time he left a gun.  My guess is that it is Smurf's gun so him "pulling the trigger" is calling the cops and letting them know where there is  body buried.  

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1 hour ago, patty1h said:

Baz must really trust that woman, to show her his stash. I know they've been together a long time but greed changes people and she may decide she wants it all. Does Smurf know the GF? She may come after her and use her to get Baz to return her money. Also, is Baz just gonna abandon his kid since he's avoiding Smurf? Creep father.

J is building his own stash just in case.  Smart move.

Yeah, I don't trust that woman at all. Who is Carlos anyway? Her boyfriend? Husband? 

I'm worried for Baz. Smurf is ruthless. Did she end up killing the storage clerk or did she just shock him till he passed out? Or had a heart attack? 

--and I hope Baz isn't dumb enough to talk about the theft at his old house. He's got to know that Smurf has access to bugs. 

I guess J has no loyalties except to himself. Not that he's trying to screw anyone over. But he's a survivor, which he's had to be his entire life. I don't blame him for building up his nest egg. 

I'm glad Craig did something right for once, though I guess I shouldn't really be cheering for a boat heist where a woman lost a finger. 

And I cracked up when J interrupted Deran and his date but was so drunk that he kept staring and wouldn't leave the room. 

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2 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

 

That's the think I originally thought he was edging his way to rebuilding his old "family" dynamic where the GF watches the kid so he can run wild but honestly I don't think he even thinks about Lena.  I am not sure he cares that the woman he thinks murdered his ex is taking care of his kid.    Now saying that it took me a second to figure out his plan but I got some of it.  When he was doing the digging thing at first I thought he was going to hide the money but instead he shot the guy who Smurf had shot a few episodes early.  Except this time he left a gun.  My guess is that it is Smurf's gun so him "pulling the trigger" is calling the cops and letting them know where there is  body buried.  

Or just his insurance policy, they already had an MAC-10 like gun in the  house. We are supposed to believe that the revolver can be linked to Smurf because it was a legal gun bought from the store?

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27 minutes ago, Raja said:

Or just his insurance policy, they already had an MAC-10 like gun in the  house. We are supposed to believe that the revolver can be linked to Smurf because it was a legal gun bought from the store?

He took the gun from the refrigerator in Smurf's garage.  He must believe the gun can belinked to Smurf...either because she bought it legally and eventually an ATF trace will turn up her ownership, or because her fingerprints will be on it.  She did threaten Javi with it early on this season.

1 hour ago, rhys said:

Carlos is her son. Nice, new happy familia in Mexico, eh Baz?

I will never run my garbage disposal again without thinking of that (shudder)

finger. 

In the first season, one of the brothers hypothesized that Carlos might be Baz's son.

3 hours ago, patty1h said:

Also, is Baz just gonna abandon his kid since he's avoiding Smurf? Creep father.

J is building his own stash just in case.  Smart move.

At the end, when he announces his intention to move to Mexico with her and Carlos, Lucy asks if Lena will come too, and Baz replies that Lena, too, will live with them.

Note how long J has been building the stash...it includes the gun Smurf told him to get rid of at the end of season one. 

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I think that finger cutting will come back to get them.  The wedding party would likely have some powerful guests with powerful connections, and a good private investigator might find out that it was Marco who cut off her finger, probably because he will brag or show off the ring.  The police will not be involved.  Marco will talk.  The brothers will be in trouble.

On rewatch, the storage attendant gasped once or twice as she was leaving, but it could have been final gasps.  Hard to tell.  Killing him would fit right in with Smurf's MO.

Just out of curiosity, do jet skis carry enough fuel to launch from Long Beach and travel to Catalina Island and back?

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6 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

 When he was doing the digging thing at first I thought he was going to hide the money but instead he shot the guy who Smurf had shot a few episodes early.  Except this time he left a gun.  My guess is that it is Smurf's gun so him "pulling the trigger" is calling the cops and letting them know where there is  body buried.  

Who was the guy Smurf shot? 

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55 minutes ago, topanga said:

She had Javier's man shoot him.

Smurf had one of Javi's men shoot Javi...the body Baz digs up in this episode.  I thought it was amazing Baz could find the body so quickly...I agree with Dakota Lavender that Baz plans to "pull the trigger" by calling the cops and letting him know about the body.  This being TV, I suppose the cops will also easily locate and unearth the body.  Maybe Baz did not do a very good job of covering it back up.

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This is rediculous ..all of a sudden Craig has got the smarts, J is becoming a thief and enjoying it and Niki too. Baz is ostrasizing himself for his own selfish needs. His character is the worse. Obviously he used Smurfs gun to place the blame that she killed Javi, and litle Lena gets tossed around like a golf ball on the greens. Daren getting sex and interrupted by J , who apologizes for breaking in.

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6 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I think that finger cutting will come back to get them.  The wedding party would likely have some powerful guests with powerful connections, and a good private investigator might find out that it was Marco who cut off her finger, probably because he will brag or show off the ring.  The police will not be involved.  Marco will talk.  The brothers will be in trouble.

On rewatch, the storage attendant gasped once or twice as she was leaving, but it could have been final gasps.  Hard to tell.  Killing him would fit right in with Smurf's MO.

Just out of curiosity, do jet skis carry enough fuel to launch from Long Beach and travel to Catalina Island and back?

Good point about Marco. But J initially made a mistake by making a federal case out of the ring.

I wondered about the fuel thing after you brought it up...google it...there is a company advertising jet ski rentals expressly for the purpose of going to Catalina from Long Beach.

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4 minutes ago, Novel8 said:

This is rediculous ..all of a sudden Craig has got the smarts, J is becoming a thief and enjoying it and Niki too. Baz is ostrasizing himself for his own selfish needs. His character is the worse. Obviously he used Smurfs gun to place the blame that she killed Javi, and litle Lena gets tossed around like a golf ball on the greens. Daren getting sex and interrupted by J , who apologizes for breaking in.

J has been enjoying being a thief for awhile now...after all, he instigated the hold up in the diner with Smurf (probably to ingratiate himself with her) ... At one time it seems he had no alternative but to try to fit in with the Cody's, but we find out this episode that he has had a backup shelter for awhile.

i enjoyed seeing Craig's plan work so surprisingly well.  Amazing what can happen when he lays off the coke.  Even the plan to go to Vegas may not be bad, if he just does not get totally high and wasted.  He could launder his money through a casino...as in "Hell or High Water" ... But then, maybe he will just get high and lose it all.    I loved his smile when he saw J and Nikki having fun together playing foosball....

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Maybe the boys will kill Marco and his crew will come after them and Lucy will choose her brother's side of course (cuz Baz is THE WORST) and then he'll be left out in the cold. Because even at this point, Lena has his number. And really could probably — after all she's seen and been through — head off on her own and run an outfit from her school's playground. At least, that's the plot of my fanfiction that I'll never write.  

And can Baz not find a Tshirt that covers his lower back when he bends over? Is he wearing baby T's? 

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5 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

I am pretty sure the show won't do it but I wouldn't mind if Baz gets killed off.  He is a good antagonist for Smurf.  

I  was thinking the opposite, no Smurf no show and the way Baz is pushing this he loses Pope and the other brothers 

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The problem with Craig's plan was just after discussing was J in a DNA database we have obvious sabotage and a crew member who everyone saw go missing. Even if the cops following the family for years are inhibited from the case for having  J raped the authorities know the  Cody's. Taking a finger during the armed robbery increases the profile and the need to get these guys before they escalate.

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13 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Well what do you know Craig's plan worked and Niki makes a pretty decent partner.  Better then the other guy who cut of the woman's finger for no real reason.  Still the show better not being heading for the Niki is pregnant and doesn't know which Cody is the daddy because....I think I will barf.

 

That's the think I originally thought he was edging his way to rebuilding his old "family" dynamic where the GF watches the kid so he can run wild but honestly I don't think he even thinks about Lena.  I am not sure he cares that the woman he thinks murdered his ex is taking care of his kid.    Now saying that it took me a second to figure out his plan but I got some of it.  When he was doing the digging thing at first I thought he was going to hide the money but instead he shot the guy who Smurf had shot a few episodes early.  Except this time he left a gun.  My guess is that it is Smurf's gun so him "pulling the trigger" is calling the cops and letting them know where there is  body buried.  

I was wondering what he fired the gun at...I didn't put 2 and 2 together. I first though he found Cath and I was just about to roll my eyes.

7 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I think that finger cutting will come back to get them.  The wedding party would likely have some powerful guests with powerful connections, and a good private investigator might find out that it was Marco who cut off her finger, probably because he will brag or show off the ring.  The police will not be involved.  Marco will talk.  The brothers will be in trouble.

 

He may brag, but the ring was still on the finger when J emptied the loot on the table. Smurph took it off the finger before she put it down the disposal. No amount of bleach that she poured in there afterwards would make me use that disposal again EVER! But yeah, bringing Marco in will probably backfire.

I think there are 3 shows left for this season.

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I can't believe they managed to pull off that boat heist - I was sure something was going to go wrong. Especially since the camera kept cutting to those three guys at the table who initially refused to get down. I kept thinking they were going to do something like rush the gun men or tackle one of them or something so I was surprised everyone got away without anything really happening. Although I did have to LOL when Craig said "nobody got hurt" and I was like "except that lady who lost a finger!!!!

It's really strange, because when you get right down to it, Baz is sort of "in the right" here - Smurf did in fact instigate Catherine's death. So, why am I rooting for Smurf in this battle? I guess because she's the more interesting character, and Baz has proven what an ass he is by his treatment of Lena.

Lena. Saddest little girl in the world. It makes you wonder what the director says to the child actress when he needs her to put on her "sad face." Pretend your dog just died honey!

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J's not a very good liar. He knew those were (probably) Smurf's storage rooms. It should have been was fairly obvious just by what was in them.

Baz is trying to die. Smurf won't sit still for it--family or no--and Baz isn't really family. And won't the medical examiner be able to tell that the bullet was shot into the body after it was already dead? I don't know if this necessarily a slam dunk. She could say the gun was stolen.

Aw, they didn't have to take the wedding dress money.

Smurf put the finger down the disposal! She should've kept it on ice for blackmail.

Wait, is Craig going to Vegas to marry that chick or just snort and gamble away his pitiful future?

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1 hour ago, Cranky One said:

He may brag, but the ring was still on the finger when J emptied the loot on the table

Point taken, but I was thinking more along the lines of a mafia interrogation of Marco, where evidence is not the deciding factor.

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So Baz is going to call the cops to implicate Smurf in the killing of Javier? Does he blame her for his wife's disappearance? And Smurf knows it was Baz who robbed that storage unit so what revenge does she hve planned. And last question, J did not know that it was Smurf's storage unit they were robbing until they got there and he saw it because he had been there before? 

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IMO, J suspected that that was Smurf's storage unit but did not know for sure.  He knew she had a unit in that location, but not which one was hers.

Baz does blames Smurf for his wife...and were he and Cath actually married?...as well he should, since Smurf was the instigator.  

Were those listening devices Smurf planted at Baz's place?  If so, when he comes back to pack up Lena's and his things, she will hear his plans. he would be well advised to leave CA immediately, as Catherine should have after she robbed Smurf. At what point will Smurf  call in Pope? She may still suspect J...Craig is gone...will Deran help her?  stay tuned.  

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2 hours ago, Cranky One said:

He may brag, but the ring was still on the finger when J emptied the loot on the table. Smurph took it off the finger before she put it down the disposal.

And I'm pretty sure she put it on. If she wears it in public and someone recognizes it........oops!

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I think Smurf's end-game has to be getting her boys back under her thumb rather than killing any of them or getting them thrown into jail. I'll be mighty impressed if she manages to somehow get back control over Baz but the others basically just handed her the leverage she needs by dumping that bagful of stolen jewelry in her hands. 

I don't think Smurf would ever kill one of her sons, even Baz. She didn't kill Jake even after he stole the $200K from her and he's only tangentially family (Craig's father). I think she'd rather turn the tables on Baz and somehow make him once again beholden to her.

I suspect that if anyone goes down for the yacht heist Marco will be the fall guy. It's just too obvious, show-wise, him being the expendable character. 

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D'yall think that if Smurf and Baz have a 'let's talk' meeting and she confesses that she killed Cath, and Baz says he stole the money because he thought she killed Cath/cut them out of their fair shares, they can come to a compromise and let bygones be bygones?  She can say she did the deed, so that Pope doesn't have to take any flack/create more bad blood between the brothers.  They're a family of crooks, so maybe they can make an "honor among thieves" pact and go forward like nothing happened?  That's the only way I can see this being resolved w/o one of them dead.

Pope is so ready to spill his guts - his guilt seems to be tearing him apart.  I thought he was going to confess to his GF (name?) last night.  I just wonder if he'll let her live after he she finds out his secret.

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10 hours ago, lazylou said:

Good point about Marco. But J initially made a mistake by making a federal case out of the ring.

I wondered about the fuel thing after you brought it up...google it...there is a company advertising jet ski rentals expressly for the purpose of going to Catalina from Long Beach.

I thought I saw extra gas cans on all of the jet skis.

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11 hours ago, Cranky One said:

I was wondering what he fired the gun at...I didn't put 2 and 2 together. I first though he found Cath and I was just about to roll my eyes.

That's exactly what I thought.  I couldn't imagine how he found her so easily. 

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I have to admit the heist made me uncomfortable, even before the finger-cutting. Very hard to root for the boys in that scenario !

Love the Baz/Smurf war !

Even w/signs of contrition, Pope is still chilling. Not know if he will crack !

Craig - C'mon, Man !!

J is a wise guy.

Enjoying Deran this season.  

Niki 

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6 hours ago, patty1h said:

D'yall think that if Smurf and Baz have a 'let's talk' meeting and she confesses that she killed Cath, and Baz says he stole the money because he thought she killed Cath/cut them out of their fair shares, they can come to a compromise and let bygones be bygones

Pope is so ready to spill his guts - his guilt seems to be tearing him apart.  I thought he was going to confess to his GF (name?) last night.  I just wonder if he'll let her live after he she finds out his secret.

I think Pope will confess to Baz.

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Bygones can never really be bygons.

The issue is not really Smurf killing Cath or Baz stealing from Smurf.  Baz has never felt like part of the family.  He is  jealous of J being Smurf's new favorite.  It's part of the reason he brought J along.  He wanted to put a wedge  between Smurf and J.  

Smurf doesn't forgive transgressions easily and yet these are her sons bit Baz not really.  And yet he is the closest to being like her at least until J.

i doubt these two can come to an understanding without at least some serious bloodshed.  

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I'm surprised Craig's heist plan actually went as well as it did, despite the losing finger and off script issues. I was expecting a total disaster, especially with Nikki involved.

Loving Baz going rogue and after Smurf, J knows now too and is covering.

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

I'm surprised Craig's heist plan actually went as well as it did, despite the losing finger and off script issues. I was expecting a total disaster, especially with Nikki involved.

Niki didn't have a big part in this and she isn't stupid.  I am not sure why people hate her so much.  All she had to do was keep some harbor cops busy.    This was actually a good job to get her feet wet in.  Part of the job but not directly. 

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D'yall think that if Smurf and Baz have a 'let's talk' meeting and she confesses that she killed Cath, and Baz says he stole the money because he thought she killed Cath/cut them out of their fair shares, they can come to a compromise and let bygones be bygones?  She can say she did the deed, so that Pope doesn't have to take any flack/create more bad blood between the brothers.  They're a family of crooks, so maybe they can make an "honor among thieves" pact and go forward like nothing happened?  That's the only way I can see this being resolved w/o one of them dead.

Best case scenario: Smurf manages to pin the murder on someone else. That clears both her and Pope and opens the door for reconciliation. I don't know how else they resolve this without writing someone off the show and I'd hate to lose any of the Codys just now. Either that or it's never resolved and Baz never has any closure but maybe enough reasonable doubt to put him back on the fence.

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I loved the scene of J walking in on Deran and his hookup.  No hand-wringing, just a goofy kind of awkwardness.

Note the contrast between this and the scene in Season 1 where he walked in on Deran banging Adrian in the beach restroom. Deran chased him down alleyways in his car like he was going to run him over. Now Deran doesn't even care if the delivery guy sees him smooching with that guy who's trying to get him to pay into the business co-op. He's come a long way.

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Niki didn't have a big part in this and she isn't stupid.  I am not sure why people hate her so much. 

I'm not exactly sure why I hate her so much either. Technically she was the one who was "wronged" in the first place. She was a loyal girlfriend to J in Season 1 long before his mother died and his only anchor to his previous life; he dumped her because he started banging that teacher. I guess the fact that she turned to Craig for revenge sex was a sort of immature and petty thing to do but she is still an immature kid. I think maybe her sense of entitlement is what bugs me so much about her. Plus she's a blabbermouth and could eventually be their downfall if they don't cut her loose.

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I have a theory that might be completely wrong.  If Niki is preggers then it is more then likely that the baby is a Cody.  Lena for all her cuteness isn't. (Unless you buy the theory that she is Pope's kid).  That puts Lena in a precarious position especially since Baz's new GF has stated she has no interest in playing mommy.  If Smurf decides to play favorites (which she does often) it leaves Lena out in the cold with no one.  

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I'm amazed that they actually pulled the heist off, with minimal violence! I mean, a lady lost her finger because Marco is a violent moron who cant just pull a ring off a lady's finger, but I thought it was going to be MUCH worse, especially with those three guys looking like they were going to rush the guys. Craig actually got a win! Which means he goes right back to drugs. Of course. Even Nikki did alright, which might have been the biggest shock of all. Also, while this might be a win for now, robbing a bunch of rich people, who probably have powerful connections, is going to have a lot of blowback, even if they got away relatively clean.

At least they let the bride keep her ring. And her finger.

Couldn't stop laughing at a drunk J walking in on Deran and his date! Oh Deran.

Baz vs. Smurf is turning into quite the epic showdown. I don't know if either of them will actually die, but a full gauntlet is going to get thrown, and people might have to take sides. Which will be difficult, considering Deran is on the verge of going straight, J is still learning, and Craig usually does what Deran does, so who knows where he would end up?

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He dumped her to save her from his family.

Eh. 50/50 at best. He fell for that teacher. He might have been telling himself he was "protecting" Nikki but he was into the teacher and didn't really even raise any eyebrow when Nikki started banging Craig. So he didn't really "save" her from the Codys and hasn't really shown much concern about her involvement with them since dumping her.

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Does anyone recall one of, if not the first, scenes that shows Smurf going to her storage locker?  Season 1, Episode 2.  It was right after she and Baz had taken (supposedly all) the watches from the job that got a cop killed, to that metal forging place and had them all melted/burnt?  The next scene is Smurf going with her rollaway to her locker and you see her transferring watches and boxes from her bag into the big safe. 

If Baz takes that safe with those watches and unknowingly tries to fence them, he will be associated with the failed job where a cop was killed.  I think Smurf laid booby traps everywhere. 

If Mama ain't happy, nobody's happy.     I would not put it past her to whack Lucy or take Lena away. 

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16 hours ago, Boyeur said:

Does anyone recall one of, if not the first, scenes that shows Smurf going to her storage locker?  Season 1, Episode 2.  It was right after she and Baz had taken (supposedly all) the watches from the job that got a cop killed, to that metal forging place and had them all melted/burnt?  The next scene is Smurf going with her rollaway to her locker and you see her transferring watches and boxes from her bag into the big safe. 

If Baz takes that safe with those watches and unknowingly tries to fence them, he will be associated with the failed job where a cop was killed.  I think Smurf laid booby traps everywhere. 

If Mama ain't happy, nobody's happy.     I would not put it past her to whack Lucy or take Lena away. 

When Smurf got back to the car after electrocuting the poor security guard, I was so afraid she was going to do something with Lena. That poor child.

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Smurf usually gets someone else to do her dirty work.  Pope/Catherine, Deek/Javi, Javi's dad/Manny.  We did see her kill the guy from her past at the end of last season, and she took care of Jake herself.  Now though there does not seem to be a candidate to take care of Baz. And what she really wants is her money back.  What cards does she hold that would enable her to do that?

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I don't think the money is that important. To use a term from The Wire Smurf has become the bank and was just washing money through her real estate and all Baz got was her emergency run stash with a million cash just used to first payoff Javi until it was stolen and then buy a hitman but other wise just sitting earning nothing along with her jewelry and fake passports

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I disagree.  It is true she has the buildings which she has used to launder her money, but Baz said he had $750K with just his first duffel bag full.  If you look at the suitcases he has boarded in the wall, he ended up with a lot more.  Throughout the show, she has been very tight with  money, an issue in both seasons between her and the boys.  Now Baz has all of her bank and the boys are threatening to cut her off, or at best to give her 10 or 15% of the take...and Baz will not even do that.  They have suspected her of taking more than her share for a long time, and the size of the bank seems to prove the point.  At the very least, her laundry operation does not seem able to handle as much money as she actually has.  She goes after Jake to get her money back...and shoots him when she finds he has already spent half of it.  Of course she is also seeking revenge by shooting him, so certainly she will want to hurt Baz.  But kill him?  maybe.  But given a choice between her millions and revenge, I think she takes the cash and lets the killing go...

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On 8/9/2017 at 9:33 AM, Joimiaroxeu said:

And won't the medical examiner be able to tell that the bullet was shot into the body after it was already dead?

Yes, an ME would absolutely be able to conclude that.  I am 100% sure Baz would know that, too, so his being that randomly stupid all of a sudden made me roll my eyes so hard.

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