S03.E10: The Return: Part 10

[Guest]

Fuck you, Diane. 

[Penman61]

My God, this show.

I feel like it has an emotional amplitude I'm not quite equipped to handle.

[djsunyc]

dougie with the sex scene of the decade lol.

richard horne...audrey's son!!!  and all around nice guy too.

[queenbee9b]

I think everyone else was watching GofT.  When Gordon saw Laura in the doorway I couldn't handle it.  Richard Horne is the worst (he already was but he keeps doubling down).  I had just rewatched the first episode of this series (I just finished the secret history of twin peaks and I was wondering if I noticed anything new to me) and in that episode when they show Margaret it breaks my hear a little.  She is so excellent in that role and her loss is sad. 

Edited July 17, 2017 by queenbee9b

[djsunyc]

game of thrones would've never been able to air an episode like episode 8.  

[TobinAlbers]

Love that Albert and Constance wasted no time making all the shippers' dreams come true. Gordon being tickled pink at observing Albert on a date was cute as well.

Those mobster brothers don't know who they're messing with if they come after Dougie Cooper.

I hope Lynch isn't too predictable in having Janey-E and DougieCooper become more intimate and closer that she ends up dead. Janey-E has been such a tough, no nonsense, practical fighter that I'd hate for her to go down in a mob hit. Sadly I could see it being the thing that actually snaps Cooper out of his stupor.

Kyle MacLachlan has a fine ass body at 58. David Lynch giveth the male eye candy!

Miriam played the game honestly, but poorly. You knew she was dead as soon as Richard pulled up in front of the house.

Interesting color combinations denoting red, black, and white lodges with Richard's car having all three of those colors and in the final musical piece the singer wearing a dress with the b/w zig zag pattern while singing in front of a red curtain.

Audrey's story must be something to have a kid like Richard Horne.

Diane is working with DirtyCooper or at least Albert and Gordon think she is. And Gordon gets a vision of Laura Palmer.

Slowly but surely things are piecing together and moving towards a climax.

[queenbee9b]

Also Nadine's Silent Drape runner store for the win!  

[djsunyc]

janey e was introduced to one eyed coop's tonight.

[Penman61]

A show that contains the "Run Silent...Run Drapes" joke AND a full-on closeup scene of Margaret on the phone to Hawk AND Rebekah del Rio full-throating it over twangy guitar arpeggios AND another innocent woman brutally murdered...

How can a person absorb this?

[Pete Martell]

This was probably the first episode where I could agree with the idea that 18 episodes was too much, especially given that it ended 8 minutes early and 5 of those 53 minutes were a performance (albeit a gorgeous one - Rebekah Del Rio and the song [Lynch wrote it apparently] got to me even more than her performance in Mulholland Drive).

I'm glad to finally, after 25 years, get to see the woman who plays Sylvia act, rather than hector lines at Ben. That whole sequence with Richard, Jerry and Sylvia was a love letter to Kubrick (I kept waiting for him to put on a bowler hat), but it did at least make me feel anger and pain, whereas the more cookie cutter scenes like Richard killing that woman in the trailer park (I now realize that was the woman laughing and joking in the diner before the hit and run - I knew he'd kill her, I wish I had been wrong) just make me feel like we're wasting time. That whole sequence, minus Harry Dean Stanton's lovely crooning, felt that way to me, especially seeing Becky again just to be terrorized by her husband. It's sort of at the point where I feel like, "I get it already," in terms of men brutalizing women being used as a narrative.

I also have to thank Kimmy Robertson for the way she played that scene with Chad, where he was obviously trying to make fun of Lucy, but she just kept on and on. I felt like Kimmy played it as if Lucy knew what he was doing and was trolling him. 

I wasn't expecting to see the Log Lady again. I'm so glad she got to say "Laura is the one," closing the door on her words in the pilot intro. I will never not get emotional when I see her or think about her. She is a treasure.

I'm also glad to see that Ben is still a douchebag at heart, going by his reaction to Sylvia needing money after their grandson robbed her blind. (I guess the grandson is confirmation about Audrey, although I know some think he may be Johnny's)

The Vegas scenes are finally leading to something, although they were all very patchwork and somewhat difficult to invest in. Candie, the neurotic showgirl, made me interested in the mob stuff (although Robert Knepper is terrific here and Jim Belushi is also quite good), especially the scene where she took forever and a day to bring Tom Sizemore up and then revealed she'd been talking to him about the weather. The bit where the poor floor manager winced in pain at the shouting in his earpiece made me laugh. 

Naomi Watts is just a marvel. She plays these scenes, like Janey-E realizing her husband is now a very attractive man, or even the little interview we saw on the TV, just right. Always the right edge of parody and hysteria - never too much. I have a feeling she only has an episode or two left after tonight, based on the way the mob stuff is going and also her new intimacy with Dougie, but I hope I'm wrong. 

I'm not sure how I'd feel about Albert + Constance happily ever after, I like the idea of their having a friendship and companionship more than anything else, but I was glad to see a bit more of them, and Gordon so happy for them. This was another episode where Gordon was basically in Dale's shoes, between that scene and the Laura vision.

14 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Love that Albert and Constance wasted no time making all the shippers' dreams come true. Gordon being tickled pink at observing Albert on a date was cute as well.

Those mobster brothers don't know who they're messing with if they come after Dougie Cooper.

I hope Lynch isn't too predictable in having Janey-E and DougieCooper become more intimate and closer that she ends up dead. Janey-E has been such a tough, no nonsense, practical fighter that I'd hate for her to go down in a mob hit. Sadly I could see it being the thing that actually snaps Cooper out of his stupor.

Kyle MacLachlan has a fine ass body at 58. David Lynch giveth the male eye candy!

Miriam played the game honestly, but poorly. You knew she was dead as soon as Richard pulled up in front of the house.

Interesting color combinations denoting red, black, and white lodges with Richard's car having all three of those colors and in the final musical piece the singer wearing a dress with the b/w zig zag pattern while singing in front of a red curtain.

Audrey's story must be something to have a kid like Richard Horne.

Diane is working with DirtyCooper or at least Albert and Gordon think she is. And Gordon gets a vision of Laura Palmer.

Slowly but surely things are piecing together and moving towards a climax.

I saw some fan spec that Tammy sent the text and is setting Diane up. Everything with Tammy is so exaggerated (shown again tonight with the slo-mo sashay walk down the hallway) that I do think she will turn out to be a double agent. It's interesting we never actually saw Diane reply. 

I agree with you about Janey-E. As soon as I saw that morning after kiss I thought, "She's going to die." 

14 minutes ago, queenbee9b said:

Also Nadine's Silent Drape runner store for the win!  

It was nice to see her again. I wonder if she will ever speak. It looked like she tensed up when he started going on about marriage and marrying the person you want to marry, so maybe that will go somewhere. 

[queenbee9b]

1 minute ago, Pete Martell said:

 

I'm also glad to see that Ben is still a douchebag at heart, going by his reaction to Sylvia needing money after their grandson robbed her blind. (I guess the grandson is confirmation about Audrey, although I know some think he may be Johnny's)

The Vegas scenes are finally leading to something, although they were all very patchwork and somewhat difficult to invest in. Candie, the neurotic showgirl, made me interested in the mob stuff (although Robert Knepper is terrific here and Jim Belushi is also quite good), especially the scene where she took forever and a day to bring Tom Sizemore up and then revealed she'd been talking to him about the weather. The bit where the poor floor manager winced in pain at the shouting in his earpiece made me laugh. 

 

Yep and right after decided the idea of dating his young assistant was a good one and asked Beverly to dinner.  

Did you also notice the line wher Bellushi was like if we fire her she has no where to go...such a weird thing for casino gangsters to care about so that made me curious. 

[djsunyc]

one thing about watts - she obviously didn't care dougie was getting rides from the hooker just a few days ago lol

Edited July 17, 2017 by djsunyc

[Pete Martell]

26 minutes ago, queenbee9b said:

I think everyone else was watching GofT.  When Gordon saw Laura in the doorway I couldn't handle it.  Richard Horne is the worst (he already was but he keeps doubling down).  I had just rewatched the first episode of this series (I just finished the secret history of twin peaks and I was wondering if I noticed anything new to me) and in that episode when they show Margaret it breaks my hear a little.  She is so excellent in that role and her loss is sad. 

I saw someone saying that somehow Twin Peaks managed to have more violence against women than Game of Thrones...

I watched GoT up to about season 5 and it became so terrible I just couldn't bother anymore. I think we may be among about 5 people who would have chosen to watch Twin Peaks over GoT though. I imagine the ratings will probably be about 5 people. 

I am wondering if Dougie will have a vision of Laura soon.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Pete Martell said:

It was nice to see her again. I wonder if she will ever speak.

Didn't she say something to her computer screen about Jacoby? It lead me to believe she was as obsessed with him and she was with Mike when she had amnesia in S2.

Not on board with Tammy tampering with the text. Rewatch the look Diane gave after she got the text from Mr C in the last episode. She's in cahoots somehow -- even Gordon mentioned he knew something was amiss when she hugged him. I was on board with the idea that Mr C sexually assaulted her "the last time they met," but now I'm thinking maybe something else occurred that turned her.

[Pete Martell]

6 minutes ago, Giant Misfit said:

Didn't she say something to her computer screen about Jacoby? It lead me to believe she was as obsessed with him and she was with Mike when she had amnesia in S2.

Not on board with Tammy tampering with the text. Rewatch the look Diane gave after she got the text from Mr C in the last episode. She's in cahoots somehow -- even Gordon mentioned he knew something was amiss when she hugged him. I was on board with the idea that Mr C sexually assaulted her "the last time they met," but now I'm thinking maybe something else occurred that turned her.

You're right - she did speak. 

The whole Tammy thing is so odd to me. I don't mind her (I know a lot of fans hate her) but episodes like tonight it just feels like we're being set up, unless Lynch is doing that as a double fakeout.

[Cheezwiz]

Even though it was a conventional episode, there was a lot to absorb. A lot of hair-pin turns between comedy ("Run Silent, Run Drapes" - bwahahaha!) and just... horrific violence. Boy, that Richard Horne is dreamy isn't he? And his grandpa isn't much better. So much for Ben Horne turning over a new leaf. And good grief, Shelly's daughter-whose-name-I'm-forgetting, what are you DOING with that guy? A lot of people getting their faces smashed this episode, most of them women.

Other random thoughts:

• Why, thank you, David Lynch for giving us the opportunity to objectify shirtless Kyle MacLaughlin. The man still looks mighty fine.
• Are the casino tartlets in pink drugged up? Or is it just another David Lynch flourish?
• Damn, I knew asshole Officer Chad was going to play a bigger role in the plot - called it last week. Poor Miriam.
• Very curious to know what the hell the deal is with Agent Tammy. There was a shot of her walking down the hallway and  it was quite obvious this time that the camera speed was slowed down. 
• Did anyone else notice that the music playing during the Richard Horne demon seed attack scene was from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"?
• Still no Audrey, and if Richard is indeed her hell-spawn, I can see why she might not be eager to return home.
• For a 90-year old fella, Harry Dean Stanton still has a lovely singing voice.

[Cheezwiz]

Additional thought:

For some reason, I was totally unable to recognize Albert (Miguel Ferrer) and Constance (Jane Adams) while they were sitting in profile to the camera. I actually had no idea who Gordon and Tammy were spying on and giggling about in that scene! I was all... huh? Why are they staring at two strangers in a restaurant? The light-bulb did not go off for me at all, so thanks to the posters above for explaining - it is pretty cute.

[jsbt]

I think what Lynch presents of the men in this episode is that most of the 'bad' ones are weak or buffoons. The Mitchums are undone and flustered by Candie at every turn; they're like big kids. Ben gives in to temptation with Beverly because Sylvia emasculates him. Steven is a wreck. I think the material reflects far worse on those men. Even Carl is too weak in the face of evil to act, because what pervades the town is too strong for him to always stand against. His inaction in the face of horror is commonplace in America.

The Hornes scene was really unsettling, but they kept juxtaposing horror and comedy really well for me. I could've watched an hour of just Candie and the Mitchums. That was a hoot. And I loved Janey-E. I don't think she will die, but I do think Cooper will leave to face Twin Peaks and his double (and hopefully go back to her).

The shot of Laura was from FWWM, when Laura shows up at Donna's door after running into BOB in her bedroom. Really hope Diane is not the black hat she appears, because I think that scene with her and the Bad Dale in part 7 is a standout in its original context. I'm not sure what is going on there.

[Pete Martell]

I forgot to say that I was all excited about seeing Bobby and Shelly in this episode as for some reason I thought they were going to be in it. Then they were nowhere to be found. I feel like an Audrey fan now. 

The more I think about the scenes with the Hornes the odder they were...that terrifying thing that kept saying "Hello Johnny." The old-fashioned restraints Johnny was in. It would get sidetracked during the original show but Lynch seemed to have an American Beauty-type vibe in mind with the Hornes (before American Beauty was a thing) and all the oddness is creeping back in after the relatively sedate re-intro of Ben and Jerry. No wonder Audrey stays away. 

Edited July 17, 2017 by Pete Martell

[jsbt]

I think something is definitely up with Jerry in the woods. They keep cutting back to him raving. Now he may have seen the Arm. Now he's talking to something else. I think that will pay off as more than comic relief.

I did laugh at Mädchen teasing Bobby/Shelly and then they didn't appear. I think she was misinformed. I do think a lot of the Twin Peaks storylines are coming into sharper focus in the second half of the series. We're seeing a lot more of everyone there, along with the previously-teased Mitchum brothers and Candie.

[paigow]

Why are there no bullet wound scars on Dougie? Is there a cosmetic surgeon in the Black Lodge? 

[dwmckim]

5 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Interesting color combinations denoting red, black, and white lodges with Richard's car having all three of those colors and in the final musical piece the singer wearing a dress with the b/w zig zag pattern while singing in front of a red curtain.

 

Couldn't help but wonder if that was a wardrobe dept decision...or if RDR just figured "Hey, i get to be on Twin Peaks - here's what i should wear!"

[dwmckim]

5 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

I also have to thank Kimmy Robertson for the way she played that scene with Chad, where he was obviously trying to make fun of Lucy, but she just kept on and on. I felt like Kimmy played it as if Lucy knew what he was doing and was trolling him. 

I literally applauded that scene.  I remember how KR used to give interviews saying she felt Lucy was the one in TP Sheriff's station who had a true pulse on everything that was going on.  The lady who thought to type what Bobby/Mike were talking about in the hall in the pilot.  Lucy in TP:TR has been so dumbed down for comedic effect that i couldn't help but speculate they might actually be going somewhere with her havinh mental problems.  But THIS was more in keeping with how she should be! 

3 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:

 

• Are the casino tartlets in pink drugged up? Or is it just another David Lynch flourish?

Can't they be both? :)

3 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:

 

• For a 90-year old fella, Harry Dean Stanton still has a lovely singing voice.

I'll  be disappointed if THIS isn't on any of the soundtrack albums!

[IDFfm0870]

What a pleasure to see you again Margaret. Thank you.

And Laura is the one ... who sad that in the original? I only remember "Mike's the one".

Rebeka Del Rio, No Star. Wow Julee Wow. So beautiful.

Go Lucy, that''s our girl :)

Good for you Albert. and LOL @ Gordon and Tamara. So they found out about Diane receiving the sms. And now what?

Gordon and Laura WTF ?!

The best part of the casino brothers was CANDIE! So Dougie's insurance "friend" works for that Las Vegas guy, who works for ... Mr C. ?

Dougie gettin some was kinda weird, funny and sad all at once.

Beautfiful song from Harry Dean Stanton, he's got a surprisingly young voice..

So Richard Horne is either Johnny's son or Audrey's. And Richard being the hate child of Audrey and BOB seems more probable than ever. This is really sad. The entire Horne storyline was depressing. The killing of cake girl, so unnecessary. What happened to poor Audrey?

Could someone please kill Shelley's crappy son in law? I don't even care about his name.

So Jerry's still in the woods, and Nadine is still watching shit shoveling Javoby.

I was waiting for our FBI guys to see Doogie in the news.

[Pete Martell]

39 minutes ago, IDFfm0870 said:

What a pleasure to see you again Margaret. Thank you.

And Laura is the one ... who sad that in the original? I only remember "Mike's the one".

[Nashville]

7 hours ago, djsunyc said:

one thing about watts - she obviously didn't care dougie was getting rides from the hooker just a few days ago lol

There appears to be enough of Dougie to go around.  Say - if Dougie is a "cobra" (as the woman on the news report stated), does that make Janey-E a snake charmer?  ;>

Gotta give Naomi Watts props on this episode; she sold the "turned on by Dougie" lead-up HARD (no pun intended).  *I* wanted to jump her.

[Guest]

As soon as Miriam made eye contact with Richard as he drove by after the accident, I knew she'd not be long for this world. I wonder though -- when she was at the diner, Norma or Shelly remarked how much money she seemed to always have even though she was, what? A school teacher? But then we see her living in a small trailer out in the middle of nowhere - not even in the Flying Trout Trailer Park. I wonder what was going on with that revelation - it surely can't have been some meaningless aside. 

6 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:

• Why, thank you, David Lynch for giving us the opportunity to objectify shirtless Kyle MacLaughlin. The man still looks mighty fine.
•  

Yes! I had some Janey-E thoughts during that scene as well. 

I kind of chortled when Tammy showed up with the photograph of Mr C at the NYC camera apartment. That's nice that they got a shot of him -- but what happened with the cameras when Cooper appeared in the box? Why didn't anyone see that happen? 

[jamblastx]

Could Candie please get a spin-off show?  One of the most intriguing characters to come out of this season...I think I may be in love with her

[Pete Martell]

6 hours ago, Giant Misfit said:

As soon as Miriam made eye contact with Richard as he drove by after the accident, I knew she'd not be long for this world. I wonder though -- when she was at the diner, Norma or Shelly remarked how much money she seemed to always have even though she was, what? A school teacher? But then we see her living in a small trailer out in the middle of nowhere - not even in the Flying Trout Trailer Park. I wonder what was going on with that revelation - it surely can't have been some meaningless aside. 

She was a schoolteacher, yes. 

I know some fans think she isn't actually dead, as there was a broken glass door and she was breathing when he left - he's so thuggish and stupid that it would be fitting if he screwed himself over by being so...thuggish and stupid. I'm not sure if that will be the case though, since they may have also set up Lucy being the one to figure it out (then again that may have just been a comedy scene very well-acted by Kimmy Robertson).

4 hours ago, jamblastx said:

Could Candie please get a spin-off show?  One of the most intriguing characters to come out of this season...I think I may be in love with her

It's funny because when I was watching last night I was thinking to myself I actually would watch a spinoff with her, or with her and the Robert Knepper character (which he was also suggesting on Twitter). She really was a fascinating character, and so much will be left unsaid about her.

[luna1122]

Back when Kyle M was on Sex and the City, there's an episode where, upset and angry, he's playing a solo game of midnight tennis in his (McDouglal) plaid boxers. His body was lean and sweaty and yummy. That was 17 years ago, and his body looks...exactly the same. I was almost convinced of photoshopping. It's crazy how good he looks. No wonder Janey-E was squirming in her chair looking at him.

Richard Horne is a terrifying fuck and I need someone to murder him really soon.

[Penman61]

Janey-E having sex with a diminished-capacity DougieCoop makes me squirm, especially since it was played for comedy.  Janey-E can't know, of course, but WE know.  (And for clarity, imagine the genders reversed.)

[luna1122]

Hmm. Good point. Tho apparently he doesn't seem much different than Regular Version Dougie, and she made a baby with him (I guess? the son is his bio kid, yes? No?), and nobody seems to find that weird. And DougieCoop definitely enjoyed it. But yeah, looked at that way...it IS creepy.

Edited July 17, 2017 by luna1122

[Nashville]

50 minutes ago, Penman61 said:

Janey-E having sex with a diminished-capacity DougieCoop makes me squirm, especially since it was played for comedy.  Janey-E can't know, of course, but WE know.  (And for clarity, imagine the genders reversed.)

I found that context kinda disturbing as well.  But it was pretty much balanced by the comical flapping of Dougie's arms and the expression of near-psychotic joy on his face, so....  :D

[Penman61]

I chortled uncomfortably, too, so...

But I will love it when civilized society fully agrees there are two big bright-line immutable threshold conditions for having sex: 1) can form consent, and 2) did consent.  

It's #1 I'm unsure of re DougieCoop.  I mean, does he still not understand going to the bathroom?  And of course DougieCoop's mental state is sci-fi and sui generis ("Your honor, the plaintiff's soul had been recently vacated by his former self and had been inhabited by his ur-being dopplegänger returning from a temporally- and spatially-suspended astral plane and had not yet fully taken control of and integrated his mental and physical processes."  Judge: "Lolwut?")  But like all fiction, it helps us run real-life scenarios.

Onward:  I'm now starting to the think there's more to Agent Preston.  That was a weird slo-mo shot of her heading to Gordon's hotel room, right?  And they seemed awfully intimate while watching Agent Rosenfield +1 at the restaurant.  

Edited July 17, 2017 by Penman61

[Guest]

Saw this on Twitter. Interesting. 

[Nashville]

47 minutes ago, Penman61 said:

I chortled uncomfortably, too, so...

But I will love it when civilized society fully agrees there are two big bright-line immutable threshold conditions for having sex: 1) can form consent, and 2) did consent.  

It's #1 I'm unsure of re DougieCoop.  I mean, does he still not understand going to the bathroom?  And of course DougieCoop's mental state is sci-fi and sui generis ("Your honor, the plaintiff's soul had been recently vacated by his former self and had been inhabited by his ur-being dopplegänger returning from a temporally- and spatially-suspended astral plane and had not yet fully taken control of and integrated his mental and physical processes."  Judge: "Lolwut?")  But like all fiction, it helps us run real-life scenarios.

Good points all - but I will be the first to say if Naomi Watts is pogo-sticking me hard enough to bounce my arms off the bed and *I* start shouting "Stop! Stop!", you can take THAT as unqualified evidence that my cheese has slid off my cracker.  ;>

 

Quote

Onward:  I'm now starting to the think there's more to Agent Preston.  That was a weird slo-mo shot of her heading to Gordon's hotel room, right?  And they seemed awfully intimate while watching Agent Rosenfield +1 at the restaurant.  

Well... if you'll recall from the Gordon/Denise conversation early in the season, Gordon does have a certain reputation in the Bureau regarding pretty young female SAs - although that's the sort of thing which does tend to fade over time, and Gordon ain't no spring chicken any more.  Wouldn't be surprised, though, if back in the day Gordon and Diane had more than a couple of -er- "career counseling sessions" - the kind that run all night and make your hair stick up funny. ;D

[PatternRec]

After seeing Laura appear to Gordon then return to reality with Albert at the door makes me think this: the Black Lodge spirits take people over forcibly. The make them do things and make them forget. They wreck tons of damage to the psyche of the person possessed. We also saw in episode that the White Lodge, specifically the Giant, birthed Laura into the world to balance the birthing of BOB. Instead of possession Laura/White Lodge spirits influence people to find the clues they need to stop the darkness. 

 

I've also always believed that Cooper is actually a White Lodge member himself. I wonder if "The Return" is Coop's return to the Lodge. Probably neither is true but it's an interesting thought. 

 

19 minutes ago, Giant Misfit said:

Saw this on Twitter. Interesting. 

Good call! 

Edited July 17, 2017 by PatternRec

[TexasGal]

5 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

She was a schoolteacher, yes. 

I know some fans think she isn't actually dead, as there was a broken glass door and she was breathing when he left - he's so thuggish and stupid that it would be fitting if he screwed himself over by being so...thuggish and stupid. I'm not sure if that will be the case though, since they may have also set up Lucy being the one to figure it out (then again that may have just been a comedy scene very well-acted by Kimmy Robertson).

It's funny because when I was watching last night I was thinking to myself I actually would watch a spinoff with her, or with her and the Robert Knepper character (which he was also suggesting on Twitter). She really was a fascinating character, and so much will be left unsaid about her.

It would not be unusual for me to have missed something - but did I miss something?  Didn't the shots of the open oven and candle imply there would be a big boom?  I kept waiting for it as the cut to other TP scenes and then I thought I was imagining things.

[Affogato]

4 hours ago, Nashville said:

I found that context kinda disturbing as well.  But it was pretty much balanced by the comical flapping of Dougie's arms and the expression of near-psychotic joy on his face, so....  :D

I consider that absolutely amazing look of joy as he has sex for the first time in at least 25 years qualifies as consent.

Cooper really seems to have a moral compass and access to himself when push comes to shove.  I suspect that Cooper, well, at minimum knows that Janie means him well and is proposing something he'll enjoy and that there is consent even if he is more brain damaged than I think he is.

It is perhaps crude of me to say that this qualifies as push coming to shove but WTH .....

[Affogato]

So much went on in this episode. I was dragged into storylines. Richard beating up Sylvia while Johnny struggled on the floor, whether to help her or run into the wall (his legs were spinning) was one of the more horrifying things I've ever seen, but Amanda Seyfried, who looked a whole lot like a young Shelley, undergoing the same abuse was equally horrifying.  The stories drew me in but the next one drew me in so strongly I'd forget the one before it. So much going on.

I think Diane is being abused by Dark Cooper. When she looked at her phone it didn't seem as if she was colluding, it seemed as if she was scared.

[minamurray78]

You "mailed" a letter to the sheriff, Miriam? Seriously?

With every passing episode i'm shipping DougieCoop and Janey-E more and more. I have a feeling that's just not gonna end well.

And contrary to most people here, Candy drove me NUTS. But I will join in with everyone wanting a bullet to Richard Horne's head.

The Diane thing is killing me, 'cause I was SO excited about the actress, the character, her attitude, etc, and it looks like a bad egg damn.

Log Lady and Nadine's silent drapes store, HIGHLIGHTS. 

[Affogato]

3 hours ago, Nashville said:

Good points all - but I will be the first to say if Naomi Watts is pogo-sticking me hard enough to bounce my arms off the bed and *I* start shouting "Stop! Stop!", you can take THAT as unqualified evidence that my cheese has slid off my cracker.  ;>

 

Well... if you'll recall from the Gordon/Denise conversation early in the season, Gordon does have a certain reputation in the Bureau regarding pretty young female SAs - although that's the sort of thing which does tend to fade over time, and Gordon ain't no spring chicken any more.  Wouldn't be surprised, though, if back in the day Gordon and Diane had more than a couple of -er- "career counseling sessions" - the kind that run all night and make your hair stick up funny. ;D

He is her mentor in the department and he's a flirt. I think his conversation with Denise made it clear that he isn't actually a cad.

[Affogato]

4 hours ago, Penman61 said:

I chortled uncomfortably, too, so...

But I will love it when civilized society fully agrees there are two big bright-line immutable threshold conditions for having sex: 1) can form consent, and 2) did consent.  

It's #1 I'm unsure of re DougieCoop.  I mean, does he still not understand going to the bathroom?  And of course DougieCoop's mental state is sci-fi and sui generis ("Your honor, the plaintiff's soul had been recently vacated by his former self and had been inhabited by his ur-being dopplegänger returning from a temporally- and spatially-suspended astral plane and had not yet fully taken control of and integrated his mental and physical processes."  Judge: "Lolwut?")  But like all fiction, it helps us run real-life scenarios.

 

I think Cooper is suffering from a malfunction of his will to act in the world, not a malfunction of his understanding (although some of his understanding continues to be otherworldly). He wants the things of the world, the badge, the flag, the little boy, the wife but he doesn't feel quite as if they are his. As such, since he can act when threatened by being fired or by violence, he is probably capable of refusal.

1 hour ago, TexasGal said:

It would not be unusual for me to have missed something - but did I miss something?  Didn't the shots of the open oven and candle imply there would be a big boom?  I kept waiting for it as the cut to other TP scenes and then I thought I was imagining things.

There was a lot of ventilation....I originally thought she might live but she was in a pretty large pool of blood and there didn't seem to be any reason anyone would come 911 speed to her aid.

[Affogato]

17 hours ago, paigow said:

Why are there no bullet wound scars on Dougie? Is there a cosmetic surgeon in the Black Lodge? 

As Morpheus once said: "do you think this is air you're breathing?"

 

What are these people made out of? Dougie was made out of nothing much, I realize, but Dark Cooper and Light Cooper are too many Coopers.

[Cheezwiz]

Anyone have any thoughts on the funny little doodle that Gordon Cole was working on in his hotel suite? It looked like some sort of dog/reindeer with bizarre antlers. Plus there was an arm (!) coming in over the creature's head. I wonder if this was a throwaway or if it connects to anything. Methinks Gordon Cole is way more tapped in to other planes than has been previously revealed. Regardless, I like the little drawing - it's surreal spooky/cute.

[Pete Martell]

10 minutes ago, Cheezwiz said:

Anyone have any thoughts on the funny little doodle that Gordon Cole was working on in his hotel suite? It looked like some sort of dog/reindeer with bizarre antlers. Plus there was an arm (!) coming in over the creature's head. I wonder if this was a throwaway or if it connects to anything. Methinks Gordon Cole is way more tapped in to other planes than has been previously revealed. Regardless, I like the little drawing - it's surreal spooky/cute.

Maybe it means the Giant coming for the arm and his doppelganger.

Did anyone else wonder if Gordon was going to open the door and get shot? I thought at the time, "If he really is taking Dale's place we have one more box to check." 

[Affogato]

I apologise if someone else has mentioned this but did anyone else notice that the inside of the head of Johnny's talking teddy bear had a miniature one armed man, I mean a miniature twig with smooshed wax-head figure, also the outer hamster ball looked like a weird speaker system and the black lodge seems to come and go via speakers? 

It is odd because, one, why would Sylvia, who is clearly a neat and focused conservative person in terms of the decorations in her house have something like that always in center view? He could be getting his repetitive voice says his name needs from any number of Steiff confections....

6 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:

Anyone have any thoughts on the funny little doodle that Gordon Cole was working on in his hotel suite? It looked like some sort of dog/reindeer with bizarre antlers. Plus there was an arm (!) coming in over the creature's head. I wonder if this was a throwaway or if it connects to anything. Methinks Gordon Cole is way more tapped in to other planes than has been previously revealed. Regardless, I like the little drawing - it's surreal spooky/cute.

Although I'm not privy to the particulars I think the fbi group is being lead to the same place that the twin peaks sheriff office is going (as lead on by the chair treasure map), that separate groups will converge on that location for some reason. . 

[loki567]

First time I can say the majority of the Vegas scenes worked for me, mainly because the Mitchum brothers and Candie were an effective comedy team. It was also somewhat encouraging that Lynch seemed to be winking at the audience a bit, when the Mitchum brothers were watching Candy on the monitor, "Does she have to give her whole life story?!" which is likely an acknowledgment of the slow pace. I appreciated the sign that Lynch hasn't disappeared up his own ass and still has an understanding of what the audience wanted from a return of Twin Peaks and what they might be struggling with. 

I read a theory that I liked, that if original Twin Peaks was a parody of soap operas then the Vegas scenes might be parodying cable anti-hero dramas. If you sum up the Dougie story in very broad terms, it's middle-age insurance agent gets way over his head with cops and gangsters. Naomi Watts would have made an excellent Skyler White, if she didn't already have enough cache to get her own anti-hero drama in Gypsy, which I still have to check out. 

Altogether I'm starting to TOLERATE, not necessary like, the Dougie scenes just because at this point, I think Lynch has finally set the table and we'll start to see all these storylines start to smash together. 

[Nashville]

8 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:

Anyone have any thoughts on the funny little doodle that Gordon Cole was working on in his hotel suite? It looked like some sort of dog/reindeer with bizarre antlers. Plus there was an arm (!) coming in over the creature's head. I wonder if this was a throwaway or if it connects to anything. Methinks Gordon Cole is way more tapped in to other planes than has been previously revealed. Regardless, I like the little drawing - it's surreal spooky/cute.

I thought Gordon was simply channeling an unresolved wish-fulfillment to relieve an aardvark of a rather inconveniently placed tree.

[DrSparkles]

Rebekah Del Rio, No Stars blew my mind! I listened to the entire song, transfixed. Then got up to see if it's on the (pre-ordered) CD. No, or not yet. SO I ordered it!

Not recognizing Robert Knepper has me questioning my vision.