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6 hours ago, leighdear said:

I think she's just fine with it, because she knows she had no choice.  Just like every other lead before her, she has only a few decisions that she can actually make.  And when they go is not one of them.  She knows what she signed up for and she's playing by their rules.  

At this point, we know she's already absolutely decided on her top 2.  She couldn't make it any more clear.   But all the other choices are in the hands of the producers and she has to follow their script.  

Yes and so are the dates and roses.  What she did not sign on for was casting a racist and having that play out in a fight.   Her tears are all about her frustration and anger with production.  She thought they had her back on the first lead of color aspect.  They did not.  

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2 hours ago, hnygrl said:

Dear Previously.TV

ENOUGH WITH THE PODCASTS!!!!! WE HATE THEM!!! Whose bright idea was it anyway to do podcasts instead of written articles? And why all of a sudden are there fifty-eleven podcasts and only the shittiest of articles? Did the good writers quit/move on? Come on man....

Okay, I feel better now.

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Rachel and her huge, glaringly obvious crush on Bryan Reminds me of Andi and Josh. She knew it was a bad idea night one but couldn't help herself. And look how that turned out? Seriously, her fawning over, smiley wiley, melting into a freaking PUDDLE every time Bryan's NAME is mentioned reminds me of Andi and Josh. I don't like him with her. I thought him eating her face the first night and being so arrogant about how he's gonna "get" her was a turn-off.

Well. Hmmm....I wish them all the best...but I can't see it between them. 

YMMV but while others were gushing about Josh, I always thought there was some rage/possessive issues simmering below the surface. For me, the red flags with Josh and Andi was that even during the "process" you could tell they were both dominant personalities who liked having their own way. I don't see that with Bryan. I can buy that he's caught up in the competition and wanting to win and things would fizzle in the real world if she picks him. But I definitely don't get an Andi and Josh vibe with them. 

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5 hours ago, tessat said:

Of all the guys left  - the only ones I really like for her are Anthony and Will. I like Dean, Kenny, Matt, Alex and Bryan - but don't see them with her for one reason or another. Lee, Josiah and Eric - she should toss to the curb as I don't think any of them are in it for her - but for their own self adulation and the hopes something will come of this.

I agree - Will and Anthony are my favorites. I wish she liked them better. In a way I'd like one of them to be the next Bachelor, but on the other hand, I would become disillusioned with the guy as he dates 25 women.

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6 hours ago, tessat said:

Of all the guys left  - the only ones I really like for her are Anthony and Will. I like Dean, Kenny, Matt, Alex and Bryan - but don't see them with her for one reason or another. Lee, Josiah and Eric - she should toss to the curb as I don't think any of them are in it for her - but for their own self adulation and the hopes something will come of this.

I agree with this soooo much. Will has the edge for me. If not F1, please make this charming well-spoken good-looking man who has a real job the next Bachelor.

I hope she keeps Kenny tonight vs sending him home with Lee, because both going home at the same time makes it seem as if they are equally unpalatable, and in this case the issues are all on Lee.

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16 hours ago, dizzyd said:

Hellooo on that slit on the RC dress, nice.

It occurred to me that Rachel cancelled the cocktail party because she wasn't going to be able to sit down in that dress without difficulty.

 

16 hours ago, chocolatine said:

I did enjoy the Norway travel porn and the shot of Adam Jr in his handball uniform.

Aw, dang.  I missed it, and I was looking for him.  I'll admit, though, that I don't recognize Adam Sr. when he comes on.

 

16 hours ago, leighdear said:

And will somebody tell these guys to ease up on the tattoos?  Damn, they've got more ink per square foot than the average outlaw biker gang.  

I have a bad TV so I can't see much detail, but I do remember that when I looked at the bios before the season started, I was surprised at the number of them who didn't have any tattoos.  I thought tattoos were up to about 100% of men in that age bracket. 

Also in the bad TV field (no, not this show--ha ha ha), when the men arrived at the hotel in Oslo, there was a shot of them entering the front door and a bunch of them had their arms around each other all smiling and joshing.  The first group in was either two or three guys, and the second group was Lee and somebody else who I couldn't make out.  It looked like he had facial hair, but surely that wasn't Kenny, right?

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1 minute ago, StatisticalOutlier said:
16 hours ago, dizzyd said:

Hellooo on that slit on the RC dress, nice.

It occurred to me that Rachel cancelled the cocktail party because she wasn't going to be able to sit down in that dress without difficulty.

 

Ever practical me thought "what kind of underwear do you wear with that dress?

1 minute ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

The first group in was either two or three guys, and the second group was Lee and somebody else who I couldn't make out. 

I saw that. I wondered "who'd they have to bribe to put his arm around Lee?"

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6 hours ago, fib said:

Loved Rachel schooling Josiah:  "youre very smooth, but you dont ask about me". Step it up Josiah!

Oh I hated the way Josiah was during that conversation and I had been holding out a glimmer of hope for him.  It was as though he had a mold of his idea of a perfect woman and he was determined to squeeze Rachel into that, so he really didn't want  her to say or do anything that might cause that mold to break.  He just expected her to sit still and be thrilled that he had chosen her.

Anthony is a solid ten.  Gorgeous, self-possessed, masculine (watch and learn Jack Stone) and I could see why someone said he,"read six books a day," he seems that smart.  Maybe he's going to run up on the inside for a strong finish, but right now he's just not Bryan.

I actually  like Bryan and think he's sincere.  He listens to her, he likes the kind of kissing she likes, ( I can't watch) and he was so over the top excited when she chose him as the first date in Norway that he only made it a few yards down the sidewalk when he had to stop and hug her. That had to be real! I thought he was going to hyperventilate.

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9 minutes ago, MakeMeLaugh said:

I hope she keeps Kenny tonight vs sending him home with Lee, because both going home at the same time makes it seem as if they are equally unpalatable, and in this case the issues are all on Lee.

I agree with you that Lee is deplorable, but I blame Kenny for letting Lee get under his skin and escalating the conflict. I don't see Rachel with Kenny at this point - even before the escalation I thought he was in the friend zone thanks to all the daughter talk - so I wouldn't mind if she sends both of them home on the 2-on-1.

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1 minute ago, JudyObscure said:

It was as though he had a mold of his idea of a perfect woman and he was determined to squeeze Rachel into that

so so true. I was totally unimpressed. And it was clear Rachel was unimpressed as well.

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4 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

 

Speaking of, I really enjoy Josiah with the other guys, but not with Rachel. He's clearly on super thin ice with her and they don't seem to be clicking. He's probably one of the next to go, but I could watch him hanging out with the guys all day. 

 

This! I know we commented in the previous episode thread about wanting more guy time. The manufactured drama is for the birds. Every time we see the guys just hanging around it's comedy gold! Are you listening TPTB!?

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28 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Anthony is a solid ten.  Gorgeous, self-possessed, masculine (watch and learn Jack Stone) and I could see why someone said he,"read six books a day," he seems that smart.  Maybe he's going to run up on the inside for a strong finish, but right now he's just not Bryan.

That comment was actually made about Will, but I'm sure Anthony is also very well read. According to his ABC bio he was a Fulbright scholar, taught English overseas, and loves Haruki Murakami.

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5 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

That comment was actually made about Will

Well heck, lets have Will and Anthony both in the front of the pack.  What I always notice about Will is how natural and at ease he seems, no bragging, good sense of humor. He is definitely good husband material.

I'm really looking forward to the later episodes where the producer plants are all gone, the pretty but vacant men have left, and Rachel can have some real dates with the serious contenders.

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How cool would it be to have the next Bachelor be both smart AND articulate? And good looking would be a plus.

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Just now, JudyObscure said:

What I always notice about Will is how natural and at ease he seems, no bragging, good sense of humor. He is definitely good husband material.

Yes! And good looking too :)

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Reading Judy's post that says the pretty but vacant men will have left, I'm willing to bet "She and I's relationship" Peter will still be there while Anthony and Will are goners. JMHO, of course.

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3 minutes ago, saber5055 said:

Holy cr*p, Chocolatine, where do I sign up to date Will AND Anthony?

Seriously. And yet Show wastes massively stupid minutes on Lee. Shame on you, Show.

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6 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Oh I hated the way Josiah was during that conversation and I had been holding out a glimmer of hope for him.  It was as though he had a mold of his idea of a perfect woman and he was determined to squeeze Rachel into that, so he really didn't want  her to say or do anything that might cause that mold to break.  He just expected her to sit still and be thrilled that he had chosen her.

Anthony is a solid ten.  Gorgeous, self-possessed, masculine (watch and learn Jack Stone) and I could see why someone said he,"read six books a day," he seems that smart.  Maybe he's going to run up on the inside for a strong finish, but right now he's just not Bryan.

That was Will that supposedly reads 6 books a day, Anthony was just called freakishly smart or something. He's been so in the background that I can't see him being there in the end. 

Josiah's conversation with Rachel was painful to watch. They were on 2 completely different wavelengths. He's another one that seems more into winning the show than being in an actual relationship. His competitive drive is clearly off the charts. I think Rachel recognizes that about him and that was part of the meaning behind pointing out that he hasn't really tried to get to know her.

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3 hours ago, backformore said:

The Bach/ette enterprise has been criticized in past seasons for having a few Black contestants who are eliminated fairly quickly, and for not having a Black lead.  So, yeah, Eric's comment made sense - they finally put a Black woman in the lead, and she seems to be overlooking the Black guys and going for the white guys, just like every white lead has done. 

 

2 hours ago, saber5055 said:

Venee, I was coming here to ask who that was telling Eric about Rachel NOT being race biased, and now I know it was Anthony. He went way to the head of my class with that convo.

I assume the decision of who gets 1-on-1 and 2-on-1 dates is purely production's.  And that's why I think that conversation between Eric and Anthony seemed stilted to me.  Surely they know who's calling the shots, but aren't allowed to say it.

The fact that they aired that conversation, is interesting.  Because, intentionally or not, they're making Rachel appear to be favoring the white contestants over the black ones, which as @backformore notes has been a consistent complaint about this show.  

I also happen to believe that Lee is consciously targeting the black contestants, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was instructed to do that by production.  It seems like everyone there recognizes Bryan as a clear frontrunner, along with a few other of the white contestants.  Yet, if this is really a "competition" to "win" Rachel, why isn't Lee going after the biggest threats?  

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3 minutes ago, saber5055 said:

Reading Judy's post that says the pretty but vacant men will have left, I'm willing to bet "She and I's relationship" Peter will still be there while Anthony and Will are goners. JMHO, of course.

As long as at least one of them lasts long enough to qualify for the next Bachelor, Rachel can have Mr "The girl from the hood and I's relationship". 

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44 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Also in the bad TV field (no, not this show--ha ha ha), when the men arrived at the hotel in Oslo, there was a shot of them entering the front door and a bunch of them had their arms around each other all smiling and joshing.  The first group in was either two or three guys, and the second group was Lee and somebody else who I couldn't make out.  It looked like he had facial hair, but surely that wasn't Kenny, right?

I noticed that too, I think it was Josiah with his arm around Lee.

I would rather see a thousand more Anthony and Eric type conversations than the stupidity with Lee and Kenny. I thought Anthony was just good looks after the horseback riding date, the last couple of weeks he has been smart and well spoken and just yummy.

I think Alex and Josiah would be fun to hang out with as buddies, but can't imagine being in a relationship with either of them.

Hopefully part 2 of this week's episode will end on a rose ceremony and they can stop with the to be continued crap for the rest of the season. I hate when it doesn't end with a rose ceremony.

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2 hours ago, hnygrl said:

Dear Previously.TV

ENOUGH WITH THE PODCASTS!!!!! WE HATE THEM!!! Whose bright idea was it anyway to do podcasts instead of written articles? And why all of a sudden are there fifty-eleven podcasts and only the shittiest of articles? Did the good writers quit/move on? Come on man....

Okay, I feel better now.

Agreed. All of a sudden there is an explosion of podcasts and almost nothing to read.

Whenever Lee and Kenny start arguing again I just go "boys, boys, stop arguing, you BOTH suck!"

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1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

I agree with you that Lee is deplorable, but I blame Kenny for letting Lee get under his skin and escalating the conflict.

This is why I think Kenny is in such an impossible situation.  Because yes, he is reacting the exact way that Lee wants, and he is letting Lee get under his skin.  But when the conflict is something racial, how can you NOT let it get under your skin??  I think it's pretty clear there are racial implications since other guys like Dean have pretty much confirmed it.  I am pissed TPTB are devoting two days to this Event.

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I agree with the posters who have compared Bryan to Josh (of Andi and Josh). Both exude a lot of schmaltzy fakery. However, I do believe Bryan's schmaltz is actually genuine. While annoying, it comes from a good place.

Josh's schmaltz was an just attempt to cover up his douchebaggery. He was an ass.

Also, Bryan is smoking hot, while Josh was a sweating not.

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1 hour ago, Alapaki said:

Eric's comment made sense - they finally put a Black woman in the lead, and she seems to be overlooking the Black guys and going for the white guys, just like every white lead has done. 

I agreed with his comment, and I liked that it was being discussed.  I would much rather see these discussions between the guys in the house than the Lee drama.  I think with the exception of Lee, Rachel actually has a very good group of guys.

7 minutes ago, Flybutter said:

I do believe Bryan's schmaltz is actually genuine. While annoying, it comes from a good place.

I agree with you.  He's not my type at all, but I think he is genuine.  

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2 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

I agree with you.  He's not my type at all, but I think he is genuine.  

I realize that this is the bit of an issue I have with Bryan. He's really not my type (Will is) but he does seem nice.

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I'm as bored with this season as Rachel is...

I think Rachel's a great catch and this should be entertaining, but they are spending pretty much the whole time filming the guys fighting with each other.  Guys that are clearly not in to her or she in to them.  I realize they have drag it out, but couldn't there be more content to the actual dates?

Hot tubbing on a group date?  Extremely awkward, the guys said he was gone for 2.5 hours.  So they just had to sit on the couch for 2.5 hours while she makes out with Peter in the hot tub?  Then she randomly gives the rose to someone else?  At least she could've told Peter in advance that he wouldn't be getting it.

So she's completely into Bryan.  Great, they've had their date, probably won't have another for 2 more weeks, so why is this a 2 night special?  Especially when Paradise's schedule has probably been knocked off a bit?

I hope she leaves Kenny and Lee on the fjord.  I'm guessing that's what happens and then they get into a fight?

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14 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

so why is this a 2 night special? 

Because the NBA Finals pre-empted an episode two weeks ago. It puts them back on schedule.

 

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I do believe Bryan's schmaltz is actually genuine. While annoying, it comes from a good place.

 

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I agree with you.  He's not my type at all, but I think he is genuine.  

Yeah like I said, I think Bryan is just one of those guys who can't help pouring on the cheese when he's into a woman. He's the kind of guy that at first you roll your eyes at but over time he kind of grows on you because under all the cheese, he's actually a nice guy and a good person.

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17 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

I'm as bored with this season as Rachel is...

I think Rachel's a great catch and this should be entertaining, but they are spending pretty much the whole time filming the guys fighting with each other.  Guys that are clearly not in to her or she in to them.  I realize they have drag it out, but couldn't there be more content to the actual dates?

Hot tubbing on a group date?  Extremely awkward, the guys said he was gone for 2.5 hours.  So they just had to sit on the couch for 2.5 hours while she makes out with Peter in the hot tub?  Then she randomly gives the rose to someone else?  At least she could've told Peter in advance that he wouldn't be getting it.

So she's completely into Bryan.  Great, they've had their date, probably won't have another for 2 more weeks, so why is this a 2 night special?  Especially when Paradise's schedule has probably been knocked off a bit?

I hope she leaves Kenny and Lee on the fjord.  I'm guessing that's what happens and then they get into a fight?

That was production's choice, not hers.  I doubt the others sat on the couch for 2.5 hours though production would have preferred they sit there to get drunk and mad!  AND they told her to give the rose to Will.  AND she probably told Peter. 

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Just now, wings707 said:

AND they told her to give the rose to Will.  

Is this a fact or people just assuming that? I saw some comments referring to this online but they were all from people who seemed obsessed with Peter and Peter and Rachel and so decided that the only way she could have not given him the rose is because the producers told her not to. 

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1 minute ago, truthaboutluv said:

Is this a fact or people just assuming that? I saw some comments referring to this online but they were all from people who seemed obsessed with Peter and Peter and Rachel and so decided that the only way she could have not given him the rose is because the producers told her not to. 

Previous leads have talked about behind the scenes manipulations in interviews.  This has been mentioned along with production controlling who goes out to interrupt the lead talking to someone during the cocktail party.  There are a bunch of other things that escape me at the moment.  

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1 minute ago, wings707 said:

Previous leads have talked about behind the scenes manipulations in interviews.  This has been mentioned along with production controlling who goes out to interrupt the lead talking to someone during the cocktail party.  There are a bunch of other things that escape me at the moment.  

I am aware. The show being manipulated is discussed all the time on here. We were just discussing the past two weeks about their likely forcing her to keep Lee for dramatic purposes. That said, I still don't think it makes it a fact that she only gave the rose to Will because the producers told her to. Nick never gave Vanessa a single group date rose the entire season. My understanding is that was his choice partly because he was trying to not make it as obvious how into her he was. So in my opinion, it is more than possible that Rachel chose to give Will the rose instead of Peter for her own reasons and not because producers made her. 

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2 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Previous leads have talked about behind the scenes manipulations in interviews.  This has been mentioned along with production controlling who goes out to interrupt the lead talking to someone during the cocktail party.  There are a bunch of other things that escape me at the moment.  

I remember the group date on Chris Soules' season where he took Britt to a concert in the middle of the date. When they came back, the other women acted upset that he made them wait for several hours. Later it transpired (via RS's insider info) that the whole thing had been planned and production had taken the women to dinner at a nearby restaurant while Chris was at the concert with Britt. The hot-tub interlude with Peter smelled of a similar set-up to me.

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2 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

 That said, I still don't think it makes it a fact that she only gave the rose to Will because the producers told her to. Nick never gave Vanessa a single group date rose the entire season. My understanding is that was his choice partly because he was trying to not make it as obvious how into her he was. So in my opinion, it is more than possible that Rachel chose to give Will the rose instead of Peter for her own reasons and not because producers made her. 

Could be her choice, not saying it wasn't.  I have just heard leads talk about the group date rose being part of the plot that production controls.  They like hide the front runners for suspense or create one.  LOL

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As I remember it, RS's info simply revealed that the women weren't just sitting on the couch staring at each other until Chris and Britt got back. However their feelings about them being gone so long and Britt getting the rose was real as confirmed by the women. Many of them were upset, which was exactly what the producers wanted. So I'm sure the producers prodded the hot tub action but that doesn't mean the guys weren't legitimately bothered by it. 

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3 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

As I remember it, RS's info simply revealed that the women weren't just sitting on the couch staring at each other until Chris and Britt got back. However their feelings about them being gone so long and Britt getting the rose was real as confirmed by the women. Many of them were upset, which was exactly what the producers wanted. So I'm sure the producers prodded the hot tub action but that doesn't mean the guys weren't legitimately bothered by it. 

Sure, that is exactly what they want!  :^)  I think the guys got their number.  

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31 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

he kind of grows on you because under all the cheese, he's actually a nice guy and a good person.

Can he please stop calling himself a chiropractic physician though??

19 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

That said, I still don't think it makes it a fact that she only gave the rose to Will because the producers told her to.

Not EVERYTHING can be blamed on the producers.  A lot, but not everything.  

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1 hour ago, mostlylurking said:

This is why I think Kenny is in such an impossible situation.  Because yes, he is reacting the exact way that Lee wants, and he is letting Lee get under his skin.  But when the conflict is something racial, how can you NOT let it get under your skin??  I think it's pretty clear there are racial implications since other guys like Dean have pretty much confirmed it.  I am pissed TPTB are devoting two days to this Event.

Yes--this is why I think it will be unfair if she sends them both home. Because, truly, Lee started it, in the worst possible way, and then was sooo creepy and racist talking about Kenny playing the race card in response to the aggressive comment. He doesn't get to go there. Let Kenny stay at least until the next rose ceremony because otherwise he and Lee will be lumped together. 

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3 minutes ago, MakeMeLaugh said:

was sooo creepy and racist talking about Kenny playing the race card in response to the aggressive comment. He doesn't get to go there.

He knew perfectly well what those words "violent," "angry," and "aggressive" mean. Don't act stupid when informed that it has racial undertones and accuse Kenny of "playing the card."

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She isn't into Kenny at all.  She has never given any indication that she wanted to know him better, so I would not be surprised to see them both go even without the fight.   And with the fight it is a hell no!   

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6 hours ago, hnygrl said:

Dear Previously.TV

ENOUGH WITH THE PODCASTS!!!!! WE HATE THEM!!! Whose bright idea was it anyway to do podcasts instead of written articles? And why all of a sudden are there fifty-eleven podcasts and only the shittiest of articles? Did the good writers quit/move on? Come on man....

Okay, I feel better now.

 

The people who produce the content you're complaining about do read these comments, so try to keep that in mind when you're slamming our work. Also: Jeff and I are the only two people in the entire history of Previously.TV who have written about this show/franchise, so your speculation that the "good writers" quit or moved on is a bit off-base, considering that we're the writers who produced the written content you seem to have enjoyed, as well. If you have a productive comment about the content of the podcast, I'd be happy to hear it! Take care. 

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23 minutes ago, eteffi said:

The people who produce the content you're complaining about do read these comments, so try to keep that in mind when you're slamming our work. Also: Jeff and I are the only two people in the entire history of Previously.TV who have written about this show/franchise, so your speculation that the "good writers" quit or moved on is a bit off-base, considering that we're the writers who produced the written content you seem to have enjoyed, as well. If you have a productive comment about the content of the podcast, I'd be happy to hear it! Take care. 

I made a nice comment about the written recaps and how funny they were when the first non-written recap (i.e. Podcast) was announced as an article and commented that it would be helpful not to say read the article when talking about a podcast, and also said I can't listen to a 30 minute podcast. Just repeating that. Maybe you're just as funny in a podcast but I'll never know. But why only podcasts now?  

I'm not commenting any more on podcasts. I hope you are paid for your work.

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1 minute ago, MakeMeLaugh said:

I made a nice comment about the written recaps and how funny they were when the first non-written recap (i.e. Podcast) was announced as an article and commented that it would be helpful not to say read the article when talking about a podcast, and also said I can't listen to a 30 minute podcast. Just repeating that. Maybe you're just as funny in a podcast but I'll never know. But why only podcasts now?  

I'm not sure, actually, but the editors are moving a lot of the written content to podcasts. I'm just a contributor, so I am not privy to the business decisions that go on behind the scenes. 

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3 minutes ago, eteffi said:

I'm not sure, actually, but the editors are moving a lot of the written content to podcasts. I'm just a contributor, so I am not privy to the business decisions that go on behind the scenes. 

Too bad--there were some very funny quotes that could have easily been pulled out of an article here and dropped somewhere else and brought a little more publicity/eyeballs to this site. Not so likely with a podcast. But thanks for your work.  Oops, I commented again! Okay, *now* I'm done :).

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1 hour ago, eteffi said:

The people who produce the content you're complaining about do read these comments, so try to keep that in mind when you're slamming our work. Also: Jeff and I are the only two people in the entire history of Previously.TV who have written about this show/franchise, so your speculation that the "good writers" quit or moved on is a bit off-base, considering that we're the writers who produced the written content you seem to have enjoyed, as well. If you have a productive comment about the content of the podcast, I'd be happy to hear it! Take care. 

I LOVE THEM.  I dont have time to read the posts here AND the written comments. I never read them (sorry) because i loved the forums more.  

The "language of the bachelors" segments are riotous. I had no idea how many nonsensical items were habitually a part of the show. 

For those who arent loving the podcasts (i agree that being chained to a computer to listen to a long audio file isnt ideal, may I recommend subscribing to the feed through apple podcasts or similar? They download automatically and You can play them through your smartphone or ipod or ipad while you are walking your dog or washing dishes or taking a shower (if you put your device in a ziploc baggie).  I listen on my commute, and it beats the bejeezus out of drivetime radio.  

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Just now, fib said:

I LOVE THEM.  I dont have time to read the posts here AND the written comments. I never read them (sorry) because i loved the forums more.  

The "language of the bachelors" segments are riotous. I had no idea how many nonsensical items were habitually a part of the show. 

For those who arent loving the podcasts (i agree that being chained to a computer to listen to a long audio file isnt ideal, may I recommend subscribing to the feed through apple podcasts or similar? They download automatically and You can play them through your smartphone or ipod or ipad while you are walking your dog or washing dishes or taking a shower (if you put your device in a ziploc baggie).  I listen on my commute, and it beats the bejeezus out of drivetime radio.  

THANK YOU! :)

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I'm just crazy about Peter. I look for him in the group shots, looking so model-y and sweetly dull normal. I loved that he picked her up like a car fender. It was so awkward but she was 100% into it. I notice the other men seem to either respect him or just give in on beauty points. He's kind of the only reason I'm watching.

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He is also really positive about the other dudes.  He was so complementary towards Will and Anthony before the spelling contest.  And he seems to have a pretty dry sense of humor (or maybe i am imagining that?) but like when he said he won the rap battle? I read that as a really good joke delivered in a perfect  deadpan. 

AND he hates Lee. And he is pretty.  

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