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3 hours ago, SusanwatchingTV said:

(I mean, I know he does, but he doesn't seem like the father-type and hasn't seemed to make any effort to get to know the kid while wooing her.)

Literally every time he runs into her and she's holding little Jack he says hi to little Jack.  He acknowledges little Jack way, way, way more than Nathan.   That doesn't mean he should or shouldn't be the one, but like literally he is so nice to little Jack every time they see each other and I fee like Elizabeth rarely has Jack with her when she sees Nathan.   

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10 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Literally every time he runs into her and she's holding little Jack he says hi to little Jack.  He acknowledges little Jack way, way, way more than Nathan.   That doesn't mean he should or shouldn't be the one, but like literally he is so nice to little Jack every time they see each other and I fee like Elizabeth rarely has Jack with her when she sees Nathan.   

Okay.  I just haven't noticed anything more than a hi.  Maybe I've missed other interactions?... not that Nathan has much interaction with him either, but Nathan has been presented as a selfless guy who has basically given up his independence to take care of another man's child, though she is his kin.  He's a person who puts the needs of others ahead of his own.  That's attractive to me and makes him seem like he'd be a better father figure. I realize that I'm weird and wrong in the eyes of most here, but I'm just pointing out a different pov so those who find it strange might understand the way the other side thinks on it.

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3 hours ago, SusanwatchingTV said:

Okay.  I just haven't noticed anything more than a hi.  Maybe I've missed other interactions?... not that Nathan has much interaction with him either, but Nathan has been presented as a selfless guy who has basically given up his independence to take care of another man's child, though she is his kin.  He's a person who puts the needs of others ahead of his own.  That's attractive to me and makes him seem like he'd be a better father figure. I realize that I'm weird and wrong in the eyes of most here, but I'm just pointing out a different pov so those who find it strange might understand the way the other side thinks on it.

 

17 hours ago, SusanwatchingTV said:

I'm really reluctant to post here because clearly I'm in the serious minority, but maybe I'm not alone... so here goes:

I still prefer Nathan to Lucas.  Lucas still gives me the creeps.  I can't help it. They must have done too good a job with the creepy intro of him as a possible bad guy.  He just looks creepy, he tries way too hard to please Elizabeth. It's like he's made it his mission to get to her, and yet does he even know she has a kid? (I mean, I know he does, but he doesn't seem like the father-type and hasn't seemed to make any effort to get to know the kid while wooing her.) I feel like he wants her, but I don't see him being in love with her.  I'm sure I'm wrong, and y'all are right.  He must love her, but the way he acts just creeps me out.  Every scene they write he's on the edge of creepy with shifty ways.  You later always find out he's not after all, but you've spent the entire episode being suspicious of him.  I just don't find that attractive. I'm not arguing that he hasn't done things that seem great, but I'm just constantly suspicious of his motives, that's all.

Nathan, on the other hand, seems to be a guy who is in love, but doesn't really want to be. He fought it at first, and still fights it in his own mind. He cares, but he's trying not to (which is what makes him grumpy), but then he has to give in and admit that he does.  He always seems to be struggling a bit to "just be friends" but then he can't deny his feelings, and especially when Elizabeth gives him a look and bats an eyelash his way.

I will admit, though, that they've not done a great job of letting them develop a real relationship over time they way they should have.  It's been a mess... both guys are not well written, imho.  Oh, and I definitely agree that the kid is horrible.  I don't know why they've made her so unappealing.  She should have been younger and a lot cuter.

Anyway, I'm really only hate watching until this show ends, so I don't really care which one she chooses... but I felt like I should point out why some might not like Lucas.

 

Hi SusanWatchingtv, you're not weird, and "wrong" is subjective. I've posted many times that I'm Team Nathan, mostly because I like the aesthetic of Nathan/Elizabeth more than Lucas/Elizabeth. I just feel the former couple "look" better together. I repeat again that I am shallow in this regard. And I repeat again that I prefer Kevin's physical appearance over that of Chris, but that's not to say Chris is ugly. 

As for Lucas's creep factor, I don't see it. I view the character as being sincere in wooing Elizabeth, maybe verging just a tad on the side of trying too hard. Lucas is no longer shifty the way he was when first introduced to the show. I've written before that WCTH turned him into a white hat because they wanted to introduce a love triangle, so they can't have Lucas being untrustworthy when his rival is a Mountie! Too bad, as I'd like the show to have someone with more of an edge to them...

As for Nathan, if I look hard, I may see it as you do: that he tries to resist the pull to Elizabeth, but ultimately can't. The heart wants what it wants. Right now, I'm not sure why he's attracted to her, except on the surface level. Also, ,maybe because she's Ally's teacher? As many others have written on this forum, the show really needs to start developing more of a true relationship for these two if they are going to be Endgame. Just saying "you matter to me" (Nathan), or giving longing looks (Elizabeth) is not enough.

 I just hope that next season will be the final season. I'm not quite hate-watching WCTH, but continue with it just to see how the show ends. I was there from the very beginning (even watched the two hour prequel movie with what'shername from Lost as the "Elizabeth" character), so I'll stick with it to the bitter end.

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12 hours ago, SusanwatchingTV said:

Okay.  I just haven't noticed anything more than a hi.  Maybe I've missed other interactions?...

Nathan has held Jack before, in the Christening episode last season. Other than that, I don't think we've actually seen Elizabeth holding Jack around Nathan. She has however bumped into Lucas on the street holding Jack (when she went to shop for Clara's bachelorette party, he saw them and said "How are two of my favorite people doing?") and on their trip to Union City he asked about him during their picnic ("You're thinking of little Jack, aren't you?"). He also had a quick scene with him during the library's grand opening, showing him the Peter Rabbit book and then that scene in the mercantile where Jack is playing with the toys on the shelves while he discusses Elizabeth's novel with her. So she's just had more scenes with Lucas and Jack together and they've discussed him. It doesn't mean Lucas likes Jack more, just that it's been an uneven representation on the show's part, in my opinion. I would have loved to see both men having more scenes interacting with Jack since one of them will end up becoming his stepfather. 

9 hours ago, norcalgal said:

As for Lucas's creep factor, I don't see it. I view the character as being sincere in wooing Elizabeth, maybe verging just a tad on the side of trying too hard. Lucas is no longer shifty the way he was when first introduced to the show.

I agree. I've been Team Lucas from the start, but I think either of the men would look great with Elizabeth as a couple. I don't see Lucas as a creep either because I think that "shady" storyline has passed and it was a whole season ago - Jesse used to be a "bad" guy but now he's one of the good ones. Same with Carson, everyone was suspicious of him and now he's the town doctor with no bad qualities. I think even Bill was a suspect at one point - I think I remember Jack arresting him for something. Lucas is just maybe trying a bit too hard with Elizabeth but he did say outright at their first dinner that he would work hard to win over the woman he believes to be his soulmate, so he's really been honest about literally everything this season, from Henry's business to courting Elizabeth. 

9 hours ago, norcalgal said:

As many others have written on this forum, the show really needs to start developing more of a true relationship for these two if they are going to be Endgame. Just saying "you matter to me" (Nathan), or giving longing looks (Elizabeth) is not enough.

I've said it before but I wouldn't mind seeing Elizabeth end up with Nathan if we had a reason to root for them together. I think they need to step it up next season with Nathan if they want to make their endgame believable. It's just a TV show but from their interviews even the actors seem to want some kind of interesting material to work with. Some conflict would be nice or just some real story progression instead of filler episodes. Now that he's asked her out I hope they actually show a date between Nathan and Elizabeth or some scenes together discussing something other than Ally. Maybe even show Lucas upset with Elizabeth because he's hurt that she went to hug Nathan the day after their "non-date" in the library. 

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Just finished binging the last 6-7 episodes of Who Will Elizabeth Choose.....er....When Calls The Heart.  Here are my brutally honest thoughts....

I found the entire 'Elizabeth has two suitors' plot nauseating.  Only in Hope Valley can a a young widowed mom be the most eligible woman in the county.  Frankly, I found Fiona more appealing and worthy of a suitor than Elizabeth's 'oh, golly gee' personality.  Really, watching Nathan and Lucas have a polite pissing match over her was hard to watch.

Wherever she was - there they BOTH were.  If she was with one, the other wasn't far from spying distance.  She walks by, in town just as they both happen to be outside their respective places of employment.  It was perfectly stalker creepy. I actually enjoyed the episode where Lucas took her to Union City to see Virginia Woolfe so there was no chance of running into broody Nathan. 

I really wanted her to end up with Lucas because - ugh, not another mountie.  Then again, we don't really know if she did indeed 'choose'.  I'm believing she hugged Nathan out of relief that he wasn't the one shot to death and - yeppers - there's not-inside-running-his-bar Lucas to witness said hug.  I need to move on because this entire scenario really irked me.

Okay - I'm going there - little Jack is one funny looking baby.  I said it.  I'm sorry, but that baby who plays him has a weird evil-ish look in some scenes.  And can the writers quite having him called 'little' Jack?  'Big' Jack is gone so there's only one Jack.  No need to differentiate.  And what's with casting a very blonde baby who has 2 brunette parents?

Carson/Faith - glad that's over too.  I thought the chemistry was about as exciting as water boiling.  Forgive my shallow crudeness, but I never thought the actress attractive.  Even if I did, there was just nothing there that made me want to root for them.  They were the most boring flavor of vanilla there was

Jesse/Clara - I could say the same as Carson & Faith, but not as much.  Just....nothing interested me.  Not even the wedding prep

Lee & Rosemary - While her dramatic sing-songy voice tends to bug me as well as Lee having to pacify her most times (the scene where she called Lee all frantic about whether he found 'little' Jack's stuffed toy because , you know, the man has nothing better to do than to run around town looking for a stuffed toy when - you know - he has a mill to run. [eye roll/] they were by far the most palpable for me to watch

Bill - other than doing 'judgy' things and running the restaurant (which they need to and should rename - he really didn't have any dedicated storylines because - you know - it was All.About.Elizabeth this season

Henry - I really liked the oil co drama, especially with him and Lucas.  I had hoped he hadn't gone back to nefarious ways, but rather he just bit off more than he could chew and was too proud to say so.  Now that Lucas bought him out, and Fiona is out of a job and remaining, perhaps she can find employment there .  Maybe also keep Henry on in some capacity as the entire business was his idea and maybe they can bring in an oil consultant seeing that neither he nor Lucas knows the oil business

 

 

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11 hours ago, ctlady said:

Okay - I'm going there - little Jack is one funny looking baby.  I said it.  I'm sorry, but that baby who plays him has a weird evil-ish look in some scenes.  And can the writers quite having him called 'little' Jack?  'Big' Jack is gone so there's only one Jack.  No need to differentiate.  And what's with casting a very blonde baby who has 2 brunette parents?

This baby is a dead ringer for my chiropractor.

Every time he shows up my wife and I shout “chiropractor baby.”

It’s hilarious!

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15 hours ago, ctlady said:

And what's with casting a very blonde baby who has 2 brunette parents?

Nothing particularly weird about that: my parents were both tow-heads before they ended up with dark brown hair by the end of elementary school. My brother and I both stayed blond(e). Only ones in the family, actually - everyone else on both sides is dark-haired. Genes are strange.

But yeah, little Jack does look like he could maybe be hiding some evil tendencies. Maybe his middle name is Damien and next season is going to become a completely different show. I mean, there must be a reason we never see a pastor...

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8 hours ago, sharifa70 said:

But yeah, little Jack does look like he could maybe be hiding some evil tendencies. Maybe his middle name is Damien and next season is going to become a completely different show. I mean, there must be a reason we never see a pastor...

Maybe he can team up with Rosemary’s Baby which I predict comes next season.

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On 4/27/2020 at 9:32 AM, bybrandy said:

Somehow Fiona is going to end up running the oil company.    And I guess she and Lucas will develop feelings for each other through that work?  Maybe?   

I sure hope so!  I am one who thinks Elizabeth and Nathan are both super boring and deserve each other.  Lucas deserves someone more interesting than Elizabeth, and he and Fiona would be great together.

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Elizabeth will marry the Tedious Nathan because he comes with a ready made live in baby sitter...even if it is that eye rolling, can't be bothered Allie so the couple can off load Little Jack for grown up time....exit stage left Jack and Allie......

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On a random side note - exactly how far away is Hamilton supposed to be?? It seems like it's far away when they want it to seem that way, yet close enough for people to hop a train and just show up in Hope Valley when they want that, too... 😁

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2 hours ago, SnarkySheep said:

On a random side note - exactly how far away is Hamilton supposed to be?? It seems like it's far away when they want it to seem that way, yet close enough for people to hop a train and just show up in Hope Valley when they want that, too... 😁

im 45.6% sure they're talking about Hamilton, Ontario, would would make it days' worth of a ride (roughly two, I think. this number is bought to you by the calgary-->toronto bus i took once) 

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