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13 hours ago, sharifa70 said:

“bachelorette party”

This term was not even used until the 1980's. There were Bridal parties but this was used to help the bride come up with her dowry and to build her trousseau with clothing and household linen, in anticipation of married life and to make the house more pleasing to her husband.

https://www.redbookmag.com/love-sex/relationships/a49906/bachelor-bachelorette-party-tradition-history/

Has the show jumped the shark? I did not watch last night.

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12 hours ago, brighteyes said:

What do you all think about the fact that they actually showed Lucas giving Elizabeth the flowers at the end but cut it off before we could see her reaction to Nathan? Honestly I think she's better off with Lucas but I think the show is trying to make us think it's Lucas but really pair her with Nathan in the end. 

I agree with this.  She will end up with Nathan.  They aren't going to have her disappoint Ally too.  Speaking of Ally, she was already annoying, but now they have her openly shipping Elizabeth and Nathan which makes her annoyingness skyrocket. 

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14 hours ago, brighteyes said:

What do you all think about the fact that they actually showed Lucas giving Elizabeth the flowers at the end but cut it off before we could see her reaction to Nathan? Honestly I think she's better off with Lucas but I think the show is trying to make us think it's Lucas but really pair her with Nathan in the end. 

Yep - that's how I see it as well.  At this point, I just want the series to end. The anachronism is getting to be too much.  Bridal shower with party favors?!  And games?!  Did that really happen in the early 20th century?  And what's the diff between bridal shower and bridal party?  Why'd Rosemary make a point of telling Lee there's a difference?

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3 hours ago, norcalgal said:

And what's the diff between bridal shower and bridal party?  Why'd Rosemary make a point of telling Lee there's a difference?

According to the annoyed research I did about the history of "bachelorette parties," a bridal shower is where the bride receives traditional trousseau items such as linens. The term "bachelorette party" started to gain popularity in the 80's (as in NINETEEN, not eighteen) and pretty much mirrors a bachelor party in drunken debauchery. 

So, more anachronisms but I've pretty much lost hope.

God, Nathan is as boring as Allie is annoying.

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1 minute ago, sharifa70 said:

According to the annoyed research I did about the history of "bachelorette parties," a bridal shower is where the bride receives traditional trousseau items such as linens. The term "bachelorette party" started to gain popularity in the 80's (as in NINETEEN, not eighteen) and pretty much mirrors a bachelor party in drunken debauchery. 

So, more anachronisms but I've pretty much lost hope.

God, Nathan is as boring as Allie is annoying.

@Sharifa70, thanks for doing the dirty work of looking up the history of bridal shower v. bachelorette party for the rest of us.  

I'm so tired of the uninteresting/boring plot of Lucas's and Nathan's machinations as they try to get Elizabeth's attention/interest. The dueling floral bouquets, attempts at conversation with Elizabeth, jeez- even dueling hello wave!!!   ENOUGH. Can we fast forward to her choosing already, so we can move on? 

Having said this, for myself, I'd choose the actor Kevin because I find him quite attractive, whereas Chris does NOTHING for me.  YMMV...

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This show is like another i could go on about where all historical accuracy is just off. (but I've never seen anyone super angry about the other show whereas it really pisses me off) This show pisses me off too. I understand that when we make a period piece now, we're looking back with rose coloured glasses (usually) but this show....this show!!!! I can't believe invented Bachelorette Parties!

Like their idea of the past is just grating. And it would be so much better with just a little bit of research.  

It's also not interesting enough plot wise for me to forget the fact that the historical accuracy sucks. I'm not even someone who's like HISTORICALLY ACCURACY FOREVER bc thats impossible but like ... do better.

However, I would still die for Rosemary and she could plan any party of mine. She's the only reason I'm still watching this show 

Also Fiona is 100% a lesbian, and paring her with BlandKevin is an insult to me and every other wlw. (She's a lesbian bc I have a crush on her.)

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I'm so tired of the uninteresting/boring plot of Lucas's and Nathan's machinations as they try to get Elizabeth's attention/interest. The dueling floral bouquets, attempts at conversation with Elizabeth, jeez- even dueling hello wave!!!   ENOUGH. Can we fast forward to her choosing already, so we can move on? 

So much this. It's so annoying. I would prefer Lucas myself (because another mountie, really? Plus I also find Nathan boring). But either way, just move along already. No more of this coy, awkward dancing around all three of them are doing and just start moving on one path. This is getting really old.

ETA: Not only is it annoying, it's also giving me so much secondhand embarrassment with all the awkward. I don't know how much longer I can handle it.

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9 hours ago, redpencil said:

I would prefer Lucas myself (because another mountie, really? Plus I also find Nathan boring). 

Well, Hope Valley invented bachelorette parties, so I guess badge bunnies are next? 😉

I think it’s interesting that I couldn’t stand Rosemary when she first arrived, but she has definitely grown on me. She definitely wants what she wants but somehow manages to not come across as spoiled or petulant. Props to Pascale for that!

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On 3/24/2020 at 6:27 AM, sharifa70 said:

Well, Hope Valley invented bachelorette parties, so I guess badge bunnies are next? 😉

I think it’s interesting that I couldn’t stand Rosemary when she first arrived, but she has definitely grown on me. She definitely wants what she wants but somehow manages to not come across as spoiled or petulant. Props to Pascale for that!

Same here. I hated her when she first showed up but now she's my favorite character. She still has so much excitement about her and in everything she does. She's so much fun and always ready to try new things. Any other actress she probably would be spoiled or petulant but Pascale really makes it work. She and Lee are my favorite couple. Plus their are really the only couple we've gotten to see that dated, married and see their married life. We never really got that with Elizabeth and Jack we saw so little of them engaged and definitely didn't get to see them after the wedding. Its not perfect it makes no sense that Lee hasn't had a house built for them and the kid thing. But their still a great couple. I still care what happens to them. With everyone else its even harder. Even Elizabeth who I still really like because they botched her and Jack so much its really hard for me to care who she ends up with now. 

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“It’s like RAY-ee-ayyyyyyn, on your wedding day....”

I am still firmly Team Giver of Libraries rather than Team “I Don’t Mind a Little Competition.” 

What on earth is the deal with Clara’s scary long fingernails? Those things are freaking talons! Doesn’t she, you know, work for a living?

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16 minutes ago, sharifa70 said:

“It’s like RAY-ee-ayyyyyyn, on your wedding day....”

I am still firmly Team Giver of Libraries rather than Team “I Don’t Mind a Little Competition.” 

What on earth is the deal with Clara’s scary long fingernails? Those things are freaking talons! Doesn’t she, you know, work for a living?

I agree! Tonight he literally said he sees her as a competition... Lucas clearly knows Nathan is into her too but he's just focused all his attention on Elizabeth rather than what Nathan is doing. I personally don't think that's an attractive quality for Nathan to have. 

Pretty sure Clara didn't have those nails before her wedding day, which means she got them done when they were getting ready but did women even get manicures during that time period? It would have looked better if she just left them normal! 

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15 minutes ago, brighteyes said:

I agree! Tonight he literally said he sees her as a competition... Lucas clearly knows Nathan is into her too but he's just focused all his attention on Elizabeth rather than what Nathan is doing. I personally don't think that's an attractive quality for Nathan to have. 

Pretty sure Clara didn't have those nails before her wedding day, which means she got them done when they were getting ready but did women even get manicures during that time period? It would have looked better if she just left them normal! 

We know that HallmarkWorld has different rules (which we’ve talked about a lot here but I’m also going to throw in Robert referring to Florence as “Florence” tonight), so who knows what’s proper in Hope Valley? But in the real world (where a war was raging), ladies wore gloves in public as well as for housework. They also wore stockings. I don’t think gloves would have fit over those claws, and I also don’t think a pair of stockings would have much of a chance, so my guess is that it was more likely that they would have kept their nails short. 

I completely agree that Lucas is focused on Elizabeth rather than Nathan. That’s a much more attractive quality than treating her like a prize.

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11 hours ago, sharifa70 said:

I am still firmly Team Giver of Libraries rather than Team “I Don’t Mind a Little Competition.” 

Literally! a library! How romantic! and he seems actually interested in her as a person. But this whole pursuit thing can stop whenever it wants.

Carson has gone Full Dadtm with his camera and I sorta love it. 

Anther historical inaccuracy: men didn't wear wedding rings til about the 1960s. (also Clara's nails just looked kinda gross imo lmao) 

10 hours ago, sharifa70 said:

ladies wore gloves in public as well as for housework. They also wore stockings.

this also bugs me, along with the fact you can tell the women aren't wearing proper undergarments (shift/corset) under their clothes, which drives me crazy.  

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1 hour ago, allonsyalice said:

Literally! a library! How romantic! and he seems actually interested in her as a person. But this whole pursuit thing can stop whenever it wants.

Carson has gone Full Dadtm with his camera and I sorta love it. 

Anther historical inaccuracy: men didn't wear wedding rings til about the 1960s. (also Clara's nails just looked kinda gross imo lmao) 

this also bugs me, along with the fact you can tell the women aren't wearing proper undergarments (shift/corset) under their clothes, which drives me crazy.  

Or how about the men running around all over the place in their shirtsleeves?

Nitpicking the historical inaccuracies of this show is kind of fun. Would Clara still have worn white for her second marriage? This show Does. Not. Care. about its time period.

On a positive note, I did like the scene with Clara and Elizabeth. It struck a chord with me, not because of a partner's death, but because I did have a relationship that I would 100% without question re-live even knowing it would still end the same way. It's not often that I actually relate to this silly show, but that talk hit me in the feels.

But yeah, Carson and his camera made me giggle.

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1 hour ago, sharifa70 said:

Or how about the men running around all over the place in their shirtsleeves?

Nitpicking the historical inaccuracies of this show is kind of fun. Would Clara still have worn white for her second marriage? This show Does. Not. Care. about its time period.

On a positive note, I did like the scene with Clara and Elizabeth. It struck a chord with me, not because of a partner's death, but because I did have a relationship that I would 100% without question re-live even knowing it would still end the same way. It's not often that I actually relate to this silly show, but that talk hit me in the feels.

But yeah, Carson and his camera made me giggle.

I'm Team Nathan only because of the actor - not the character. I just prefer Kevin to Chris... They've neutered the Lucas character from when he first joined the show. So if we now have to pick between two "white hat" characters, give me Nathan...(it's just too bad his annoying niece is part of the package).

Anyhoo, on to the anachronisms.  ITA with what everyone else has said about Clara's nails. Furthermore, I'd think it would be hard for her to do her waitress/sewing jobs with nails that long. But whatever, modern bride, here we come!

Carson is of course the official wedding photographer.  And Lucas is the wedding caterer, and maybe the town women en mass were the official florists, and finally, Lee/Rosemary took care of the "limo" for the happy couple. See, Hope Valley's got your entire wedding needs covered!  🙄🤣

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Are Erin Krakow and Ben Rosenbaum still together in real life?  I remember reading they were (are?) a couple when I first started watching this show.  

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When I got married in 1987 my mother and mother-in-law had a discussion about how much things had changed since they had gotten married in the 1950’s.  One of the major differences was that back then no one would have considered writing their own vows.  My mother-in-law chose a bible verse for the minister to read and that was considered a personalized ceremony.

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2 hours ago, ShelleySue said:

When I got married in 1987 my mother and mother-in-law had a discussion about how much things had changed since they had gotten married in the 1950’s.  One of the major differences was that back then no one would have considered writing their own vows.  My mother-in-law chose a bible verse for the minister to read and that was considered a personalized ceremony.

Maybe I zoned out, but did Jesse actually recite his vows which he gave to the minister?  I only recall Clara reciting her hand-written vows, not Jesse.

And @ShelleySue thanks for pointing out another anachronism (which I didn't know about).

Sigh...this show!

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I still feel like I don't really know Jessie and Clara all that well and I certainly don't care about their wedding enough for it to be an a and a b plot in an episode.

Nice of Lee and Rosemary to give up their anniversary trip, but like at some peoint shouldn't Rosemary get some advantage for being married to a rich guy?   No servents. No big house. No fancy vactions.

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I think I'm going to start watching the show with the sound muted, paying close attention to baby Jack's expressions as he looks at the others, and make up my own dialogue.

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16 hours ago, forumfish said:

I think I'm going to start watching the show with the sound muted, paying close attention to baby Jack's expressions as he looks at the others, and make up my own dialogue.

what if Baby Jack isn't there?

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3 hours ago, allonsyalice said:

what if Baby Jack isn't there?

It’s okay because Baby Jack only has one expression anyway: “who are these people and why am I here?”

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On 3/31/2020 at 1:53 PM, bybrandy said:

I still feel like I don't really know Jessie and Clara all that well and I certainly don't care about their wedding enough for it to be an a and a b plot in an episode.

Nice of Lee and Rosemary to give up their anniversary trip, but like at some peoint shouldn't Rosemary get some advantage for being married to a rich guy?   No servents. No big house. No fancy vactions.

I feel like I really don't either. It was nice to see their wedding but mostly because they've been dating for who knows how many years. Its not the same as watching Jack and Elizabeth or Lee and Rosemary. They built up those couples. They never really built up Jesse and Clara. They've mostly just been hanging around. Also as much as I liked that scene between Clara and Elizabeth, it reminded me they haven't really been that close which you'd think they would be since they both lost their husbands so early in marriage. 

I wish Rosemary got some of the perks too. Has she gotten any real perk? She even gave up the wedding clothes and food to help out during that disaster. 

I liked Clara's wedding dress. But I still wish we would get weddings from the time period. That's part of the fun of watching a show set in the past. 

Elizabeth did a great job decorating the place. 

Still like not hearing from Ally. 

I didn't like Nathan calling it a competition. Its making me like Lucas and Elizabeth better. 

 

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11 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

 

I didn't like Nathan calling it a competition. Its making me like Lucas and Elizabeth better. 

 

I don’t know if it’s the actor or the character, but there’s something about Nathan that I don’t care for. I watched the other show after WCTH and he just came off as dull compared to the other Mountie and every time they showed him in his Mountie uniform, all I could think of was that he looked like Dudley Do-Right. 

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14 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I feel like I really don't either. It was nice to see their wedding but mostly because they've been dating for who knows how many years. Its not the same as watching Jack and Elizabeth or Lee and Rosemary. They built up those couples. They never really built up Jesse and Clara. They've mostly just been hanging around. Also as much as I liked that scene between Clara and Elizabeth, it reminded me they haven't really been that close which you'd think they would be since they both lost their husbands so early in marriage. 

I've never been invested in the Clara/Jesse relationship for one second. I still don't quite understand how he was redeemed from his shady past. Didn't he take part in a train robbery or something like that (i.e. a violent crime)?

I wish Rosemary got some of the perks too. Has she gotten any real perk? She even gave up the wedding clothes and food to help out during that disaster. 

I liked Clara's wedding dress. But I still wish we would get weddings from the time period. That's part of the fun of watching a show set in the past. 

Elizabeth did a great job decorating the place. 

Still like not hearing from Ally. 

I didn't like Nathan calling it a competition. Its making me like Lucas and Elizabeth better. 

 

Yeah, that's not a good look. Elizabeth isn't some commodity (prize) to be won. 

3 hours ago, Stacey1014 said:

I don’t know if it’s the actor or the character, but there’s something about Nathan that I don’t care for. I watched the other show after WCTH and he just came off as dull compared to the other Mountie and every time they showed him in his Mountie uniform, all I could think of was that he looked like Dudley Do-Right. 

Even given what I said about Nathan above, I still prefer him to Lucas pretty much based on physical appearance. Tall, dark and handsome is my catnip. And the contrast between Kevin's dark hair against his blue eyes is aesthetically pleasing. 

As for the acting part, not sure if it's Kevin's choice or the show/directors, but he plays Nathan kind of understated, at somewhat of a distance. Maybe that's the norm for Mounties back then. Goes to what he told Robert - got to be impartial/detached. Anyhoo, that comes across in how Nathan is portrayed.

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The whole point of the wedding was for Elizabeth to realize and be told that she’s ready to move on from Jack.  Clara was a young widower too (it’s been 7 years at this point) and having her and Elizabeth tell each other they were ready for new love will hopefully be that catalyst she needs.  It didn’t hurt that she caught the bouquet and had her photo taken with Nathan.  The show hasn’t played up the triangle at all.  She is team Nathan all the way and he comes with a built in babysitter in Ally.  Too bad he’s sooo boring. Ugh.

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42 minutes ago, MollyMelrose said:

Rules for Teachers - 1915  https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/user/jjudd/edef290/edef_assignments/standard_HTSB_10_learning_community/assignment_HTSB_10_case_study/learning_resources_case_study/teacherrules.pdf

Can't imagine a school board being pleased with a young teacher taking an overnight trip with a male companion. Things are different in Hope Valley, of course. 🙂 

Thanks for that list! Elizabeth should have lost her job as soon as she got married! Also: who knew that barber shops were so scandalous???

If Lucas hadn’t already won me over at Gave Her A Library, Acquired Tickets for a Sold-Out Reading (for an author he doesn’t even particularly enjoy but he knew Elizabeth did) would have sealed the deal for me. 

Meanwhile, Jesse gave away his stuff and Jack was fussy. 

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15 minutes ago, sharifa70 said:

Meanwhile, Jesse gave away his stuff and Jack was fussy. 

Meanwhile Rosemary welcomed Jessie and Clara home from the trip she sacrificed for them only to learn that they were doing the newlywed thing and could have had as much fun in Union City as the City of Angels.    

And Rosemary lends a fancy dress, and cares for a fussy baby, while somebody else gets dressed up to hob nob with a famous person and eat fancy food at a fancy restaurant inside a fancy hotel.  

I was hoping the Lee and Rosemary take would be that they adored Baby Jack and would do literaly anything for him but they were happy to give him back.  But alas no we're headed into another round of Lee and Rosemary look longingly at children and apparently forget that they have close personal friends who run an orphanage.   

I'm sure they'll have a big episode for Nathan next week.  They'll have to because right now he's bringing nothing to the table at all.    

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Ah yes, When Calls the Historical Inaccuracy back for another week.

I regret to inform everyone that I found Nathan attractive while he was chopping wood. 😬


Clara and Jesse are so boring. 
 

I love Lucas’s car. I like him way more than I thought he would. Like he’s put here being kind and thoughtful and Nathan is what? Being boring and glowering over chopped wood. (How sexy.) 

10 hours ago, MollyMelrose said:

Rules for Teachers - 1915  https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/user/jjudd/edef290/edef_assignments/standard_HTSB_10_learning_community/assignment_HTSB_10_case_study/learning_resources_case_study/teacherrules.pdf

Can't imagine a school board being pleased with a young teacher taking an overnight trip with a male companion. Things are different in Hope Valley, of course. 🙂 

Right!? and also WHERE 👏🏾 IS 👏🏾 THIER 👏🏾 CHAPERONE 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

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3 hours ago, allonsyalice said:

Ah yes, When Calls the Historical Inaccuracy back for another week.

I regret to inform everyone that I found Nathan attractive while he was chopping wood. 😬


Clara and Jesse are so boring. 
 

I love Lucas’s car. I like him way more than I thought he would. Like he’s put here being kind and thoughtful and Nathan is what? Being boring and glowering over chopped wood. (How sexy.) 

Right!? and also WHERE 👏🏾 IS 👏🏾 THIER 👏🏾 CHAPERONE 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Chaperone?  We don't need no chaperone - this is stinkin' Hope Valley, ya'll!

Yeah, Nathan/Kevin looked esp. attractive in his civvies. The red in red serge is just soooo eye-popping though, so I waver back and forth whether the actor/character looks better in uniform or civilian clothes. I'm so glad Nathan didn't give Elizabeth the 3rd degree or any kind of questioning about her overnight trip with Lucas, since that would've been none of his business. Welcome her back, then move along.

ITA re: Clara and Jesse. I'm glad she recognized that he didn't feel like her home was his, so worked to make him feel welcome, but frankly, I was kinda bored with this story.

Just one point of correction to the above post: the car actually belonged to Henry. Lucas borrowed it when he was asking why Henry didn't give the monthly check he normally does. Speaking of Henry...oh boy, I hope they don't bring back Shady Henry who steals money. For sure we haven't heard the last about possible money troubles, or Henry's health issue.

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I've given up on historical accuracy on this show - that way if anything is actually correct I'll be pleasantly surprised. Low expectations! 😂

I loved this episode, mainly because I'm team Lucas and have been hoping they'd finally go on a date, even if she didn't want to call it one! After he went out of his way to get tickets to something he knew she would love, how could you not root for him? Haha. He's made it very clear that he's interested in her and after the episode I think she's finally accepted the fact that both men want to pursue her. 

I agree with everyone about Nathan and the wood chopping - I think I like his character better in civilian clothes, definitely more attractive on him! (Jack however could pull off both looks and looked  great either way!) Anyway while I felt a bit bad for him this episode I'm sure something will happen next week during the storm that will bring him and Elizabeth together. I really think he needs to make a move and ask her out if he even wants a chance - she's certainly not going to ask first! 

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At what point does baby or little Jack get to be just Jack?  

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1 minute ago, bybrandy said:

At what point does baby or little Jack get to be just Jack?  

I'm not sure if it was the convention in this time period to call someone Junior, but the show is already replete with inaccuracies so might as well call him that, or, call him JJ. 

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7 hours ago, allonsyalice said:

Right!? and also WHERE 👏🏾 IS 👏🏾 THIER 👏🏾 CHAPERONE 

I asked the same thing! She's from an upper-class wealthy background! Of course they would have had a chaperone! Unless the rules are different because she's a missus? 

Then again, why quibble over chaperones when Lucas shouldn't even have been there to take her to the reading in the first place because he should have been knee-deep in the mud in France???

Speaking of: I said Ty Cobb as soon as Bill asked Detroit fan Nathan who his favorite player was. Here's some interesting info about Ty Cobb and the war that doesn't exist in Hope Valley's awareness: 

https://www.vintagedetroit.com/blog/2011/05/30/when-ty-cobb-went-off-to-war/

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I prefer Lucas over Nathan in terms of the actors and characters, but Lucas and Elizabeth are just painful to watch this season.  I was cringing so hard during some of their scenes last night.  Maybe it’s  just that Erin Krakow is doing a good job of playing “woman who feels conflicted about dating again.”  I don’t know.  

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Not only would it have been scandalous for Elizabeth and Lucas to take an unchaperoned overnight trip together, I imagine that an evening with Virginia Woolf wasn't considered wholesome entertainment.

I laughed at the prominent "Family Dentist" sign on a building in town -- have we ever heard of a dentist in Hope Valley? When Carson and Faith talked about her leaving for med school, you'd have thought we'd have had a throwaway line about there being another medical professional in town.

I'm still Team Lucas (if I have to pick sides), but the actor who plays Nathan reminds me of Chris Isaak, so it's all good.

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I really hated how the town was walking on eggshells regarding Elizabeth and Lucas leaving together. It almost felt like the town wants her with the local Mountie since she was married to the previous one. I hope that they don’t guilt her into being with Nathan if it appears she prefers Lucas. 

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3 hours ago, Stacey1014 said:

I really hated how the town was walking on eggshells regarding Elizabeth and Lucas leaving together. It almost felt like the town wants her with the local Mountie since she was married to the previous one. I hope that they don’t guilt her into being with Nathan if it appears she prefers Lucas. 

I didn't see it as the town preferring Nathan to Lucas. The way I saw it, the townfolk just didn't want to get caught in the middle. I think overall, both Nathan and Lucas are well regarded by the folks of Hope Valley, so felt uncomfortable with the situation (knowing Elizabeth was having an overnight with Lucas, while knowing the Nathan prolly didn't know about it).

11 hours ago, forumfish said:

Not only would it have been scandalous for Elizabeth and Lucas to take an unchaperoned overnight trip together, I imagine that an evening with Virginia Woolf wasn't considered wholesome entertainment.

I laughed at the prominent "Family Dentist" sign on a building in town -- have we ever heard of a dentist in Hope Valley? When Carson and Faith talked about her leaving for med school, you'd have thought we'd have had a throwaway line about there being another medical professional in town.

I'm still Team Lucas (if I have to pick sides), but the actor who plays Nathan reminds me of Chris Isaak, so it's all good.

Re: Virginia Woolf...wasn't she considered a scandalous author during her time period? Weren't her works considered too avant garde?

And yeah, that dentist sign had me chuckling too. Was it customary for a town as small as Hope Valley to have a doctor AND a dentist?  [And when/if Faith returns, that makes it another medical professional]. 

I just thought of something I wanted to post but forgot until just now. Color me speechless when someone who used to be on the show was mentioned. We got a Pastor Frank shoutout (re: Jesse's chair). We know the "real world" reason why Abigail won't ever get mentioned on this show, but in-universe, it's just so crazy that besides that hastily re-worked episode where Elizabeth narrates that Abigail went to care for a sick aunt(?) that we'll never hear about the town's freaking MAYOR again?!?!  Did Hope Valley forget that Abigail is the current mayor? I'm not sure how they'll get around any future municipal issues without ever mentioning Abigail's name or position.  [And yet the name "Abigail's Cafe" remains on the sign].

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On 4/5/2020 at 11:58 PM, sharifa70 said:

Thanks for that list! Elizabeth should have lost her job as soon as she got married! Also: who knew that barber shops were so scandalous???

She would actually have lost it way sooner than that - Elizabeth and Jack were quite obviously "keeping company" for years, as was known by everyone in town.

Re: barber shops - I think that's because they were social hubs for men (think Floyd's on Andy Griffith). So it would have been considered improper for a woman to hang out in such a place.

Re; overnight trips - Erin Krakow addressed it on Twitter. IMO she's looking at it from a 21st century perspective, because the whole point is that no one would know if they were sleeping separately or not. Back then, the whole thing was about appearances.

 

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3 hours ago, SnarkySheep said:

Re; overnight trips - Erin Krakow addressed it on Twitter. IMO she's looking at it from a 21st century perspective,

This is what has made this show so sad. Season 1 was true to Period, then it started to get worse and worse. It really is just modern folks cosplaying 1917. There would be no way a widow would leave her child crying and upset to go off with a man on an overnight trip. Erin has become the new LL, and now it's all about her, she is the last one standing.

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4 hours ago, SnarkySheep said:

Re: barber shops - I think that's because they were social hubs for men (think Floyd's on Andy Griffith). So it would have been considered improper for a woman to hang out in such a place.

The rules for teachers from the link (shared by mollymelrose) actually prohibits male teachers from getting shaved in a barber shop. That’s the scandalous part I wondered about. 

9 hours ago, norcalgal said:

We know the "real world" reason why Abigail won't ever get mentioned on this show, but in-universe, it's just so crazy that besides that hastily re-worked episode where Elizabeth narrates that Abigail went to care for a sick aunt(?) that we'll never hear about the town's freaking MAYOR again?!?!  Did Hope Valley forget that Abigail is the current mayor? I'm not sure how they'll get around any future municipal issues without ever mentioning Abigail's name or position.  [And yet the name "Abigail's Cafe" remains on the sign].

We’re talking about a show that pretends the world outside of Hope Valley in 1917 consists entirely of baseball and “movie stars.” Why bother with Abigail continuity? We don’t need no stinking continuity!

I was going to scoff at 1917 “movie stars” until I pulled up some info about the year in film. It was actually a year of some pretty significant individual debuts and films even I’ve heard of (I’ve even seen a couple). Weirdly enough, I had to get past about 9 million references to the film 1917 that is all about the actual freaking war before I got to the film history links... Hallmark writers don’t Google, y’all.

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13 hours ago, enduringforce said:

There would be no way a widow would leave her child crying and upset to go off with a man on an overnight trip

I mean the overnight trip thing is unlikely but in 1917 women knew that sometimes you had to leave a baby who was crying to get out of the house.  I guarantee Elizabeth's mom left her crying with the nanny once or twice and maybe to go to Europe with her husband.

And while I agree about this being cosplay and bad cosplay at that I will say that my great-grandparents  were both school teachers when they met.  My great-grandather got sick and they moved to her home town where she had family in the medical profession.   Unfortunately he died the day before his son was born.   My great-grandmother was an widow with a newborn son in 1914.  She returned to teaching and taught until her mid 60s.   So she was a working mom.  And probably she left him crying some days when she went off to do it... 

She didn't, however go away fro the weekend with handsome young men.  She never remarried.  

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ZZZzzzzzz, this latest episode was bo-ring!  Do we really think Lee will die?  C'mon - this isn't even riveting drama.

I'm glad Elizabeth stood up for herself with Nathan when his injured pride had him lashing out at her. Glad she pointed out that she was the one who actually found Emily, and frankly, his help really wasn't needed.

What I'm curious about is this new development of manufactured bad blood between Elizabeth and Nathan? Do the producers:

A) want the audience to think this means the path is clear for Elizabeth and Lucas?  Or,

B) this is a fakeout, wherein the producers show the tension between Nathan and Elizabeth so the audience thinks Lucas and Elizabeth will be Endgame but they truly mean Elizabeth to end up with Nathan? Or,

C) feel the audience will go with scenario B, when they had no hidden motives, and were sincere about scenario A?

Man, writing all that out makes me think of that Friends episode where Rachel & Phoebe find out about Monica & Chandler and each duo fake out the other with the mindgames. "They don't know that we know that they know. You know?"

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My eyes hurt from all the rolling they did in this episode. I ended up watching most of it on fast-forward because drahhhhhma!

If (god forbid) Elizabeth and Nathan are the endgame, for the love of all that’s holy send Allie to live with grandpa. Or send all three of them away to take care of Abigail’s sick aunt! Anything to spare us from the know-it-all angsty child!

And....cue Hope Valley Vigil!

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26 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

A) want the audience to think this means the path is clear for Elizabeth and Lucas?  Or,

B) this is a fakeout, wherein the producers show the tension between Nathan and Elizabeth so the audience thinks Lucas and Elizabeth will be Endgame but they truly mean Elizabeth to end up with Nathan? Or,

C) feel the audience will go with scenario B, when they had no hidden motives, and were sincere about scenario A?

I'm definitely leaning towards scenario B, especially after the preview - it seems like Lucas will upset Elizabeth by sending her book to his mom without her permission, thus causing a rift because he finally did something wrong, and then Nathan and Elizabeth will have a talk where she tells him to essentially make a move like Lucas did, and then by the end of the episode Nathan will come ask her out. It's all so predictable! Just like Lee's fate - we know he'll end up being fine in the end! The only unexpected thing that ever happened on this show was Jack's death, and they're definitely not going to kill another main character off. 

I went into this episode knowing it would be more Nathan heavy, and even though I've been rooting for Lucas I went in with an open mind thinking Nathan would finally prove himself by saving Elizabeth and the students from the storm and getting into her good graces. Instead she saved Emily herself (go Elizabeth!) and then he argued with her about it because he was still hurt that she went out with Lucas. He's was so cold towards her this episode, I really don't see how she would ever like him after this especially when you compare him to a guy who gives her a personalized book by her favorite author and went to seek her out to be with her best friends in their time of need. 

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Nathan is such a terrible man. Not sorry, like she saved Emily herself. Not all women need to be saved by you. Take a step back, dude. She’s protecting her students. 
 

I’m more and more convinced that Laura, Elizabeth’s babysitter, has a relation in Olivia Benson’s super sitter, Lucy! (also Laura is the only one who uses people’s titles “Mr. Coulter”, “Mrs. Coulter”, ect and it’s striking against everyone else’s flagrant uses of Christian names 😉)

Lee’s not gonna die. I hate when TV shows try this. It’s drama for the sake of drama. Let the Coulters go on their trip. 
(if i’m wrong ill be genuinely shocked but come on.) 

i was distracted for most of this episode with Elizabeth’s beret! They weren’t real popular til into the 1920s, and they’re military wear so if she is wearing one, it wouldn’t be white. But I couldn’t figure out what she’d be wearing instead. That’s a research hole for another night (but her whole field trip was terrible. That coat!) 

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15 minutes ago, allonsyalice said:

i was distracted for most of this episode with Elizabeth’s beret! They weren’t real popular til into the 1920s, and they’re military wear so if she is wearing one, it wouldn’t be white. But I couldn’t figure out what she’d be wearing instead. That’s a research hole for another night (but her whole field trip was terrible. That coat!) 

Not gonna lie, I was expecting more anachronistic fun, but I found this photo (dated 1918) of a lady in a tam o’shanter: 

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It’s not exactly what Elizabeth was wearing, but I might yield the points to the show this one time.

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I’d say it’s B.  
 

I prefer Lucas and Elizabeth together and honestly, he’s the only one actually trying to woo her.  Nathan thinks he can just get away with smiling at her from a distance.  
 

Unfortunately, the way the story is being written is that even when Lucas is around (with the exception of their date) Elizabeth is always looking past him for Nathan.  I guess she likes being treated poorly instead of well? He’s been a total ass to her other than giving her flowers (which was only done because everyone suggested it).

I don’t really get where they take the story if she ends up with another Mountie.  Does anyone want to watch Elizabeth, Nathan, Ally and Jack sitting around the table?  It just seems so boring especially since he seems so volital.

With 2 episodes left I think someone must make a move to kiss someone and I can’t see them letting her kiss someone she won’t marry because the show is so chaste.

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