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7 hours ago, Labegg said:

No one seemed bothered by the mine widows hooking up within a year of their husbands dying, yet are outraged that E is moving on a year after Jack dies?

That might have more to do with financial/practical matters, IMO - we saw right from the start that the mine widows were in desperate straits after losing their husbands. Elizabeth, on the other hand, has a wealthy family behind her.

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7 hours ago, Labegg said:

What happens with all the several episode stories/characters, just to have it disappear unresolved? What happened to that lovely couple with the kid Daniel, who couldn't get used to the idea of a stepdad? The genius 16 year old who invented the mine exhaust system? The little red headed girl who ran away to the mine? The dude from the sawmill and the Joust girl from the merchantile? And what the heck with all the failed romances, Bill and (I forget who), Dottie and Henry, how many people can Abigail hook up with in a 3 year period? No one seemed bothered by the mine widows hooking up within a year of their husbands dying, yet are outraged that E is moving on a year after Jack dies? Do we ever find out if Phillip recovers from glaucoma? 

Yeah seriously!  SO many dropped plot points that could have been so good!  I loved the drunk guy with the red-headed girl, what a sweet sub-story that could have been, with her becoming his new family.  And the genius kid could have been used to make such great social commentary on how poor kids need to be given opportunities, because ability knows no class.  And Julie and Tom!  It's like, hey writers, did you forget that Jack has a brother?  And he's like, the most fun character you created?  He and Julie could have been a riot.  But as you said, all of these people basically disappear.  

Lee eventually became my favorite character.  What a sweetheart.  

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1 hour ago, SnarkySheep said:

IMO - we saw right from the start that the mine widows were in desperate straits after losing their husbands. Elizabeth, on the other hand, has a wealthy family behind her.

Yes absolutely agree. I also remember a scene at the sewing circle in season 1 where all the widows were criticizing some of the women for consorting with the new single minors. But all the women knew it was not just a choice about love but the fact that they have no money. Mary was trying to raise her son but he had to fish to make sure there was something for dinner. That's why the money that all the widows get at the end of season 1 gives so much hope and life to the new widows of the mine accident.

Elizabeth is NOT in that situation, she was able to find love during the 5 years of the show and it took us alone with it. Yes Jack was her soulmate, from chalk dust to eternity. 

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I think they have established quite firmly that Elizabeth would not take money from her family. There have been multiple opportunities that she could have asked her father for money for the betterment of the community and in her altruistic self has not asked for money for them...do we honestly think she would fall back on it for herself? She has established that she is determined to be independent. Moving on from Jack in a relatively quick manner is not so far fetched IMO; I say relatively because 1 year ish from his death is not particularly "fast" and perhaps it is one of the few things that is not an anachronism in this show. I just did not buy that J&E are soulmates...sexually attracted to each other, yes; trying to prove to her family that she is in control of her choices, yes; in the throws of first love, yes; shared a common goal of bettering their community, yes. But I didn't feel that it was adequately established that they are soulmates destined to be together for eternity...not so much, for me.

I can't figure out why Elizabeth 's mother has not shown up to see her daughter ever, in 5 years...she went to England to care for the eldest daughter after the birth of her baby, yet she has never visited E, gone to her wedding, been present at the birth of her grandchild or helped post birth? Why on earth was Jack's Mom not at the wedding or his funeral? (Yes, I vaguely recall she was "thrown from a horse" or something, but seriously?)

Honestly they haven't given me a reason to really want to continue watching, maybe because I binged it and didn't follow it week to week over years? They did get me to binge the whole thing though, lol. I am willing to see where it goes with E and new love interests. I am slightly interested to see where they go with Carson Sheppard, although I suspect that character will fall by the wayside. Oddly wouldn't mind seeing him end up with E (that will never happen). Still think it makes the most sense for E to end up with Charles. I really like and respected him.

And I gotta give it to Hallmark for maybe not giving us the happy ending that is their usual bread and butter; life isn't always about happy, pretty packaged endings and this show has certainly keep them out of their comfort zone for, what appears to be, many reasons beyond what the writers have control of!

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29 minutes ago, Labegg said:

I think they have established quite firmly that Elizabeth would not take money from her family.

No this is not an established fact. In fact she took the money they sent her in the boxes of clothes and books after she lost everything she brought when she accidentally burnt down the teacherage. The money was stuffed in a journal they sent and she even used that money to buy all the paint in the local story in an effort to allow the widows to stay in their company homes. She has never turned down any of the money she was given and in fact gladly accepts the shopping sprees and gifts given by her family when she visits. She just simply want to live her life the way she wants and that is the only reason she struck out on her own.

Her father and mother are accepting of her decisions, although they would prefer her to stay home. Her father even granted Jack's request to marry Elizabeth and he came to town to walk her down the isle and gifted her a tiara that her Mother wore to wear in her wedding. 

Hallmark is trying to rewrite history and downplay what was the center piece of this show and it just too sad to endure.

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I really hate that they dropped so many stories. I like Elizabeth and Jack but also liked just as much watching all of the widows dealing with the aftermath of losing their husbands and in some cases sons while trying to rebuild their lives and their kids. I wanted to see what happened with the boy who didn't really like his new stepdad. How that family grew. What happened to the other kids who were mentioned. Daniel, the 16 year old genius, the red head girl and others. That was a really interesting part and watching some starting new businesses. I liked Abigail in the beginning. But then suddenly they dropped all of that. All of those storylines while Abigail ended up getting the bulk of stories and time. Not only did I not like it I didn't like her anymore. Her storylines really weren't that interesting. I hate Cody, he's annoying, boring and I liked other kids better. They were more interesting. And all of other storylines just stopped. How long has Clara been dating what's his name? Why aren't they married yet? How long have Lee and Rosemary been married? Only now them not having kids is coming up? That should have come up a lot sooner. Then they had that one storyline with the annoying kid. But it looked like it was being set up so they adopt him. But that didn't happen. I absolutely hate that they killed off Jack. He was a great and he and Elizabeth were really great together. But what I hate just as much how badly they handled it. They dated so long before finally getting engaged. They finally get married do we get to see any of that? Happy newlyweds? Nope Jack was gone so much during the engagement and after they were married. We didn't get anything that we should have gotten after building up the couple for so long. They knew they were going to kill him of and did so very badly. He's suddenly dead. Elizabeth is pregnant, of course she is. You could see that coming a mile away. But they should have give us scenes with them together. They also should have Elizabeth's family visit more often along with Jack's mother at least for their wedding, Her mother goes to all the way England to be there for her daughter when she's having a baby, but didn't come to Hope Valley to be there when Elizabeth married or had a baby? They took out everything that was good and interesting or had potential and replaced with endless boring Abigail stories and not much else. I really do hate that their not bothering to use clothing of the time period or events that happened at the time. What's the point of setting a show in a certain time period and not use it? The clothing from that period. And ignoring WWI. That could have made such good storylines. Coming together again to help with the war effort, Lee's business should be taking off, the widows terrified over their sons going of to war, and the ones who remarried terrified as their new husbands go off to fight in the war. 

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2 hours ago, Labegg said:

She has established that she is determined to be independent.

Sure. But it's one thing to declare your desire for independence when you know there is a safety net in case something goes wrong, and quite another to know that if something goes wrong, you and your child might starve or become homeless.

2 hours ago, Labegg said:

I just did not buy that J&E are soulmates...sexually attracted to each other, yes; trying to prove to her family that she is in control of her choices, yes; in the throws of first love, yes; shared a common goal of bettering their community, yes. 

IMO Rosemary was Jack's sexual attraction relationship. He and Elizabeth were certainly physically attracted to one another as well, but they did have things in common as well. 

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On 10/16/2019 at 11:40 PM, Labegg said:

The little red headed girl who ran away to the mine? 

She completely disappeared, and the actress who played her mom is still on the show. It’s completely bonkers. I swear sometimes Hallmark thinks their audience is dumb.
 

There was another  red-headed actress that was a main character in season one. I remember she was leading church services in a wooded area. They also accused her of burning the church down. I know the actress had another job, but the character completely disappeared. If there was an explanation, I missed it. I liked that character. 

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On 10/18/2019 at 11:58 PM, Stuffy said:

There was another  red-headed actress that was a main character in season one. I remember she was leading church services in a wooded area. They also accused her of burning the church down. I know the actress had another job, but the character completely disappeared. If there was an explanation, I missed it. I liked that character. 

Cat Montgomery

Per IMDB, her actress Chelah Horsdal has been in quite a few other projects in the past few years, so it was likely a time issue. 

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1 hour ago, SnarkySheep said:

but the character completely disappeared.

This is the case with most interesting characters on this show, including the dog (Rip). It's like they never existed. I hate that this is what they want to happen with Jack. Just wait they will stop using the name 'Jack' completely by calling the baby 'JJ' or 'Junior' so that name is never uttered again. So sad. 

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On 10/23/2019 at 4:49 PM, enduringforce said:

Just wait they will stop using the name 'Jack' completely by calling the baby 'JJ' or 'Junior' so that name is never uttered again. So sad. 

FWIW, I always thought it was a little odd that Elizabeth would want to call him Jack, anyways. I mean, wouldn't it be painful to keep saying his dead father's name every day?

Also, back then Jack was usually not a given name, but rather a nickname for John. (IIRC, they wrote "Constable Jack Thornton" on his gravestone, so apparently TPTB either didn't know this or chose to disregard...)

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1 hour ago, SnarkySheep said:

FWIW, I always thought it was a little odd that Elizabeth would want to call him Jack, anyways. I mean, wouldn't it be painful to keep saying his dead father's name every day?

Also, back then Jack was usually not a given name, but rather a nickname for John. (IIRC, they wrote "Constable Jack Thornton" on his gravestone, so apparently TPTB either didn't know this or chose to disregard...)

Actually just recently was doing some looking for an ancestor with a wildly common name in WWI death record and was surprirsed to see that there were about the same number of Jack's as Johns (I searched both).

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Recently re-watched the ep where Clara shows up to testify at the mine legal shenanigans...and remembered that we don't learn til a while later that Clara is working literally 24/7 for a guy who won't let her pay off her dad's medical debt.

So...just how did Clara manage to get the free time to travel from Hamilton to Hope Valley and back?? I highly doubt the guy would have cared about her wanting to go to the trial...

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OMG! I just saw a trailer for the Christmas movies and it's horrible. The Elizabeth character is in full 2019 Make-up with lots of eye make-up and fake eyelashes and is sitting there with her baby in the middle of the town reading a story (why?) and then the saloon owner comes over and starts flirting which the character returns. This show is no longer about the 1900's and it's just modern folks in costumes from that era. Just too sad. 

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19 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Daniel Lissing has a small role in last week’s episode of The Rookie

Yes, it's good to see he is getting more diverse roles. I do watch The Rookie, and I thought he played his part well. It's a multi-episode spot, so that's good. I do feel he is really trying to break out of the Hallmark image, and that is fine. 


I do think that WCTH should have recast the role of Jack instead of having Elizabeth on the prowl for a new man with a baby in tow. A baby that will never know his father and a mother is so eager to forget and is so shallow as to flirt with multiple men. The whole feel of the show is different now, and I guess that's what they want. Just too sad for me to watch.

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29 minutes ago, enduringforce said:

I do think that WCTH should have recast the role of Jack instead of having Elizabeth on the prowl for a new man with a baby in tow.

Yes, the show is in perpetual change now. The producers are trying to 'recapture' what Elizabeth and Jack had without any emotional buy-in. The only reason I watched the show for as long as I did was Jack and Elizabeth. It was like I was watching something really, really fake, and I knew it, but the Jack and Elizabeth storyline was compelling enough for me to give a pass to the ridiculousness. Then they killed Jack to make Elizabeth in a perpetual 'love triangle,' but now I don't care. Now Elizabeth is part of the fakeness, walking around with a baby prop, and it makes the show unwatchable for me.

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On 12/9/2019 at 9:31 AM, enduringforce said:

Yes, it's good to see he is getting more diverse roles. I do watch The Rookie, and I thought he played his part well. It's a multi-episode spot, so that's good. I do feel he is really trying to break out of the Hallmark image, and that is fine. 


I do think that WCTH should have recast the role of Jack instead of having Elizabeth on the prowl for a new man with a baby in tow. A baby that will never know his father and a mother is so eager to forget and is so shallow as to flirt with multiple men. The whole feel of the show is different now, and I guess that's what they want. Just too sad for me to watch.

Even with all the anachronism, I still watch this show. I liked Jack & Elizabeth as a couple just fine. Although I did sense chemistry between the two characters, IMO, there's more chemistry between Elizabeth and Nathan (the new Mountie). I really like the actor Kevin McGarry even though his character needs more fleshing out. I sense more "zing" between Nathan and Elizabeth than between her and the saloon owner. 

I acknowledge that many on this forum prefer the saloon owner because he's got more edge/mystery to him, but I get the feeling the show will ignore all that (setup last season) and whitewash his character. So if they had kept him ambiguous, I would 'ship him and Elizabeth, but as I said, I just sense more chemistry between the Mountie and Elizabeth.

However, I just wish they hadn't made the Nathan character a Mountie since that seems to just be a retread of Elizabeth/Jack. I wish they had switched the characters the two actors (Kevin & Chris) play on this show. 

Lastly, if you saw the Christmas special that aired yesterday, I think the show is strongly hinting that Elizabeth favors Nathan - even though an ad for the upcoming season showed her caught between the two men, trying to decide who to go towards. Watching this Christmas episode, it seemed to me that Elizabeth was acting more towards Nathan in the manner of a woman trying to navigate a potential romance.  With the saloon owner (sorry, can't remember his name), her interactions with him seemed friendly, but not fraught with romantic tension. YMMV...but that's my take!

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I never shipped Elizabeth and Jack so the show is fine for me, better for the lack of Cody.   And since I'm being mean about children I will say that when the neice was doing her solo I was thinking her uncle couldn't move to a bigger town because she'd never get a solo in a bigger choir.   

I need Lee and Rosemary to adopt, to get over it and find some other project to focus on or to get pregnant (in that order of preference) because while I feel for Rosemary and Lee, I don't need another season of them looking sad when children turn up.   

 

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Same here. I was mostly bored through the recent Christmas episode. Oh look Lee and Rosemary with the same problem. Let's see Rosemary sad and/or hurt every time baby is mentioned and I already knew nothing would happen in this episode. Because it never has. Lee and Rosemary have been married how many years? They have no kids, a possible infertility problem and nothing happens despite Lee being rich enough to adopt and they even met sisters who ran an orphanage. Rosemary will just have a sad face and that's it.  Its the same every time Jesse and Clara are on the screen. How long have they been together? Why aren't they married yet? Their sad about not being able to spend time together but neither one thinks why don't we get married? You knew it wouldn't  happen because it hasn't happened in how many episodes. Why hasn't it happened? I don't really care about Faith and Carson because well look at the other couples. Are they going to be different? Are they going to be married before Jesse and Clara? Will they have a kid before Lee and Rosemary? Will baby Jack turn eighteen before anything happens? Its the same with the rest of the characters. Nothing happens. They don't do anything. They don't move any story forward. I was bored through the whole Christmas episode for that reason.

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1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

Its the same with the rest of the characters. Nothing happens. They don't do anything. They don't move any story forward. I was bored through the whole Christmas episode for that reason.

I think this show is forcing relationships when no chemistry or history or build up exists. Then all the other characters just seem to flounder about. 

I just saw the Christmas day episode ratings and it's the lowest watched WCTH show in 4 years. 

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8 minutes ago, enduringforce said:

I think this show is forcing relationships when no chemistry or history or build up exists. Then all the other characters just seem to flounder about. 

I'm not watching but I'm curious what they did with Abigail's cafe? Elizabeth and Abigail were best friends, and many scenes set in the cafe, with Lori gone did they recast Abigail or did she go the way of Rip (the cool little dog) and just disappeared to never be mentioned again?

 

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5 minutes ago, free2think said:

I'm not watching but I'm curious what they did with Abigail's cafe? Elizabeth and Abigail were best friends, and many scenes set in the cafe, with Lori gone did they recast Abigail or did she go the way of Rip (the cool little dog) and just disappeared to never be mentioned again?

 

Bill's running it. 

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And the cafe now appears to be referred to as "the cafe". I wonder if there is a sign above it with this name? 

I am being mean now, but the niece could use some braces. Really happy Cody has not reappeared. 

Why aren't these men interested in the cute telephone operator? She is pretty and smart. Instead, they all fight over saintly Elizabeth who also has a tiny child.

Carson and Faith are Dull with a capital D. Zero interest in them. Way too white bread.

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55 minutes ago, free2think said:

I'm not watching but I'm curious what they did with Abigail's cafe? Elizabeth and Abigail were best friends, and many scenes set in the cafe, with Lori gone did they recast Abigail or did she go the way of Rip (the cool little dog) and just disappeared to never be mentioned again?

 

Aren’t Abigail (and Cody) “back east” caring for a sick relative? Or something like that...

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1 hour ago, Pickles said:

And the cafe now appears to be referred to as "the cafe". I wonder if there is a sign above it with this name? 

I am being mean now, but the niece could use some braces. Really happy Cody has not reappeared. 

Why aren't these men interested in the cute telephone operator? She is pretty and smart. Instead, they all fight over saintly Elizabeth who also has a tiny child.

Carson and Faith are Dull with a capital D. Zero interest in them. Way too white bread.

Yes, in the Christmas episode, the name "Abigail's Cafe" appears on the sign hanging outside the cafe.

If by niece you mean Nathan (the Mountie's) niece, it's not so much her physical appearance I have an issue with (which would be mean of me), but her acting is terrible!  I'd take Cody back over this child actor who has no charisma, no nuance, no nothing. Her "acting" in the Xmas episode was particularly painful - esp. the scenes of the kids doing their choir singing.

ITA re: telephone operator. She's my favorite female character on this show. I don't know why she can't get any appreciative male attention. I think they may have dropped the story about her only being in town long enough to get the phone up and running and then go back home (whereever that is). I hope she becomes a series regular or at least semi-regular like Carson. I 'ship her with the saloon owner. I think their personalities would mesh well.

Speaking of Carson, yes he and Faith are Dullsville together. I guess I should be careful what I wish for because I 'shipped these two when Carson first appeared in Hope Valley, but the way their coming together was written (and has since been written with them as a twosome) is BO-ring!  Also, there's just no spark between the two actors.

On a side track:  I think I saw a headline somewhere that said Paul Greene (aka Carson) remains on Lori Loughlin's side no matter what. If true, I've lost respect for PG. When the evidence against LL is overwhelming, I can't believe he could still be loyal to her given the highly immoral and illegal stuff she pulled. And I don't believe she did it "for the kids". Rather, she would be embarrassed if her kids didn't attend college so I think she did it for herself so other people wouldn't judge her via her kids.

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I don't quite know how I feel about the Christmas special.  I really like both the new actors, but I definitely prefer Nathan (both the actor and the character). I could see Elizabeth being drawn to him, but also feeling afraid to fall for another mountie because of the danger he faces in his job.  The saloon owner doesn't have that dangerous life, so he's safer for that reason, but I can't really see her falling for his bad-boy thing.  He also seems a lot more pushy, and therefore a little creepy to me.

I liked Elizabeth and Jack, but I was never 100% on them, probably because Daniel Lissing never seemed completely invested somehow.  I just never felt like he had great chemistry with Erin.  I think Kevin McGarry is really great at making it seem like he really cares about his female lead. He's been great in every movie I've seen him in, and in Heartland, too.  I love that show even more than WCTH, so I've been glad he's still on it while doing WCTH.

They just need to go ahead and rename Abigail's Cafe and be done with it.  I didn't miss Abigail at all in the special.

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I feel bad saying this, but even Baby Jack is less cute. The christmas episode true was boring. The show has suck since The Firing of Lori. Not that I was a huge Abigail fan, but when everything became disjointed when they took it off the air. 

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And the woman with the two children Carson borrowed the horses and buggy from.  She was allegedly having her own problems, yet she had highlighted hair and makeup and she and the children looked healthy and well fed.  No one in that town is ever dirty, smudged, disheveled, cold, etc.  And did they have lip gloss back then?  I realize this is Hallmark, but, still, in addition to boring plot and one dimensional characters, so unreal as to be unbelievable.  

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Baby Jack is not cute and he is not a smiley baby at all. It seemed like the only time he smiled on the Christmas episode is when he was around Lee. 

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14 hours ago, SusanwatchingTV said:

I think Kevin McGarry is really great at making it seem like he really cares about his female lead. He's been great in every movie I've seen him in, and in Heartland, too.  I love that show even more than WCTH, so I've been glad he's still on it while doing WCTH.

I don't watch anymore so can't really comment on the show as it exists now, but, doing a drive-by to say I love Kevin on Heartland.  His character is so sweet and funny, albeit a bit of a doormat IMO.  But, that's a topic for a different thread. 😊

Carry on, Hearties.

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13 hours ago, Pickles said:

Baby Jack is not cute and he is not a smiley baby at all. It seemed like the only time he smiled on the Christmas episode is when he was around Lee. 

Well in his defense, I’d smile a lot around Lee too!

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2 hours ago, dubstepford wife said:

I love Kevin on Heartland.  His character is so sweet and funny, albeit a bit of a doormat IMO.  But, that's a topic for a different thread. 😊

Funny you should say this, I actually don't like Kevin on Heartland specifically because I only saw him on Heartland AFTER he came on WCTH as a replacement for Jack. I'm not too fond of his long face, he looks older than I think he is, and he always seems to have a confused look on his face. It totally spoiled his characters on any show after he attached himself to the WCTH debacle.

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1 hour ago, allonsyalice said:

Well in his defense, I’d smile a lot around Lee too!

Lee was my favorite character after J&E; he is flamboyant (plaids and stripes), knows what he wants and goes for it and always looks on the bright side. He is the only character on the show who was allowed to grow, at least a little bit from riding his motorcycle into town with nothing but the clothes on his back and a large bank account, building his lumber business to marrying his love all within a couple of seasons. However, even he seems stagnant now, he still lives in an old house with outdoor plumbing when the has all the lumber needed to build "the largest house in town" (his words after getting back from his honeymoon).

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1 hour ago, free2think said:

Lee was my favorite character after J&E; he is flamboyant (plaids and stripes), knows what he wants and goes for it and always looks on the bright side. He is the only character on the show who was allowed to grow, at least a little bit from riding his motorcycle into town with nothing but the clothes on his back and a large bank account, building his lumber business to marrying his love all within a couple of seasons. However, even he seems stagnant now, he still lives in an old house with outdoor plumbing when the has all the lumber needed to build "the largest house in town" (his words after getting back from his honeymoon).

That's really the problem with all the other characters. Their all stagnant. Once LL and Abigail started taking over the storylines, airtime and focus all the other characters just stopped in one place and they still are. The storylines are stagnant. 

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1 minute ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

They seem very conflict adverse and will not do anything to upset the rabid fans. So it’s stagnant. Some people like that.

I love a "happy ending show," but it does not have to be conflict driven just logical progression. For example, Jack and Elizabeth getting married, having a baby, keeping both their jobs and all the issues that can arise from that dynamic. Lots of episodes could focus on being a young family, sickness, money problems, moral issues, along with the one-off stories coming from the townsfolk and the kids in the school. It does not need to be a 'shack and awe' kind of show, just a show that continually moves forward and allows the characters to grow within the universe of WCTH. I know that will never happen now except within the fanfiction universe, but oh, what could have been.

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When I say conflict I am talking about the problems of everyday life. Remember the origin  of the show. All of the men died in a mine accident and the mine owners wanted to throw them out of their homes. This seems to be totally forgotten by everyone including the widows.

As has been mentioned the show takes place at the beginning of World War 1. Also ignored. It is truly life in a bubble.

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2 minutes ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

As has been mentioned the show takes place at the beginning of World War 1. Also ignored. It is truly life in a bubble.

Oh, right, yes, I agree with this comment. But even if I excused this show for ignoring the 'real-life' events happening during this time-line, they should at least keep moving forward in the fictional WCTH world. It's true that even in the fictional WCTH world, they don't seem to learn anything, the bad guy who was tried and convicted is still allowed back into the community to do the same thing again and again. Besides, they killed Jack, so it's never going to be a happy ending show either, which is why this show is now floundering. It's not a cannon Hallmark show nor a 'shock and awe' show (i.e. GOT). It has become a sham, a mere facade of both a Hallmark show and what a 'Period drama' should be.

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I’m Team Saloon Owner just because putting Elizabeth with yet another Mountie would be weird. And being with the Mountie would mean even more of the niece (where does Hallmark keep getting these fair-to-middling child actors?).

I think they’re working on a redemption arc for Henry and I’m a little interested to see if they do something with that.

I could not possibly care less about Clara/Jesse or Carson/Faith. I fast-forward through all of their scenes. I wish they would give the switchboard operator something else to do. 

Also: Jack Wagner talks with his lips pursed and it drives me absolutely crazy.

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Honestly, there's no drama, intrigue or mystery. The costuming isn't close to accurate and it's just the same three things over and over and over again. It's not entertaining or anything at all. 

It's basically flour, or any boring spice of your choosing. 

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So I still watch the show but I find myself just telling myself I have to suspend my disbelief of A LOT of things. Regarding the Christmas special:

First, where did all those people come from for the Christmas festival? Hope Valley is not that big and I'm pretty sure there would not be THAT many people coming from other towns.

Second, the traveling salesman wasn't coughing when he tried to clean Henry's coat. Then he was practically dying when riding with Carson. Then Carson gives him some cough medicine or whatever it was and he was fine again with Henry as he took him back home?

Third, There are other women in town besides Elizabeth. For instance, the telephone operator. I agree with whoever posted above that she and Lucas (the saloon owner) would be a good couple. I think he is better looking than Nathan but I think Nathan is really sweet and more suited for Elizabeth.

I also agree with whoever posted that Jack Wagner talks with his lips pursed. I like him, but I've always thought he overacted everything to the point it doesn't look natural. And that is no different in this show.

Did not notice Abigail's absence at all. Didn't even notice a mention although I may have missed it. And as for the couples - Carson and Faith and Jesse and whats-her-name - you are all correct - BORING!

I love Henry. Even when he was bad, he was good. I wish they'd get Henry a love interest. And I also love Lee & Rosemary. Wish they would be blessed with a child - either by birth or adoption. I had trouble getting pregnant with both my kids, as did a few of my relatives and it really is painful to see everyone else having kids and here you can't even do the most basic thing we were put on this earth to do - procreate. 

All that being said - I will be watching when it comes back on for the new season : )

 

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I prefer the saloon owner to Nathan because I feel like if Elizbeth just falls for every mountie in town it sort of cheapens what she had with any of them.   Elizabeth just likes a uniform.   And I think there is more potential for conflict for Elizabeth with a guy who isn't squeaky clean where as hot telephone operator (who is totally the best character on this show but probably only because they haven't paired her with anybody) seems more like she might bend some rules in ways that the local mountie might find stimulating.    

I LOVE Henry and shipped him hard with Abigail despite his history with the mine accident because they had killer chemistry.  But with Abigail gone they really don't need both Henry and Jack Wagner (what's his name) and I"d totally get rid of Jack Wagner because he's less dynamic but since he's now the judge and runs the cafe and is Jack Wagner I suspect they'll keep him.    

 

 

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Henry definitely needs a love interest. I would find one for Jack too! I would think they'd both be interesting to women. They are business owners and Jack is a sheriff. They are attractive.  Give the telephone operator a storyline. She seems like a dynamo and is so pretty.  Elizabeth is just too syrupy sweet for me. It doesn't need to be the Elizabeth and baby Jack show.

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On 12/28/2019 at 8:16 PM, bybrandy said:

I prefer the saloon owner to Nathan because I feel like if Elizbeth just falls for every mountie in town it sort of cheapens what she had with any of them.   Elizabeth just likes a uniform.   And I think there is more potential for conflict for Elizabeth with a guy who isn't squeaky clean where as hot telephone operator (who is totally the best character on this show but probably only because they haven't paired her with anybody) seems more like she might bend some rules in ways that the local mountie might find stimulating.    

Wow ByBrandy, are you and I sharing the same brain?!  As I wrote above, I too would 'ship the saloon owner (Lucas?) and Elizabeth because:

1) Elizabeth and Nathan seems like a retread of Elizabeth and Jack

2) the saloon owner seems to have more of a backstory. He came on the show as mysterious and morally ambiguous. However, I think the show is going to ignore all that and turn him into another plain vanilla character. So because of this, I'm currently 'shipping Elizabeth/Nathan because the actors have more chemistry, IMO, and I like Kevin more as an actor.


I LOVE Henry and shipped him hard with Abigail despite his history with the mine accident because they had killer chemistry.  But with Abigail gone they really don't need both Henry and Jack Wagner (what's his name) and I"d totally get rid of Jack Wagner because he's less dynamic but since he's now the judge and runs the cafe and is Jack Wagner I suspect they'll keep him.    

Yep - I've written before on this forum that I totally 'shipped Henry and Abigail because the chemstry/UST between them was off the charts (at least to me). I don't care for the trope of the 'bad guy' seeing the error of his ways and reforming due to the love of a 'good woman' but I would have gone for it in the case of these two.  It also seemed like the show was moving towards this, but alas...it ain't gonna happen now.

As for Jack Wagner's "acting", I first knew him from General Hospital. Because it was so long ago, I can't remember if this pursed lips/clenched teeth acting was something he always did, or was this a recent development.  [Or maybe it started during his Melrose Place days...?]

 

 

 

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On 12/28/2019 at 7:18 PM, llewis823 said:

I love Henry. Even when he was bad, he was good. I wish they'd get Henry a love interest.

I do, too. I think he and the telephone operator would be a good match. I liked how she noticed that he left money for the shop owner when he picked up the food. If not Henry, then I agree with the saloon guy for her. She seems zippier than those other women in town.

I am totally bored with Elizabeth as a mother and the mountie and his niece. I never liked that baby talk way Elizabeth talks to her students, and it's worse with an actual baby.

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On 12/28/2019 at 2:29 PM, The Ringo Kidd said:

As has been mentioned the show takes place at the beginning of World War 1. Also ignored. It is truly life in a bubble.

Hey, it could be worse -- Gomer Pyle was a show about Marines, airing during the Vietnam War -- and there was nary a word about the war 🤣

On 12/28/2019 at 2:23 PM, enduringforce said:

For example, Jack and Elizabeth getting married, having a baby, keeping both their jobs and all the issues that can arise from that dynamic.

Well, historically, a female schoolteacher had to quit her job when she married. (Not that this show keeps to the history...) But in the original books, there was a lot of conflict simply because Elizabeth couldn't have biological children, she had given up her teaching job and moved to a remote location up North with Wynn/Jack, where she essentially was stuck in a tiny cabin with nothing to do all day. Quite understandably, it wore away at her emotionally. 

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Just watched the Christmas special...

I prefer Elizabeth with Lucas, but they had no story together in the Christmas special.  I suppose the writers were trying to balance out she and Lucas dancing in the finale with tree shopping with Nathan at Christmas.  She mooned over Nathan the entire episode, and for what?  He accepted a promotion and was happy to leave until his niece started pouting.  Elizabeth basically threw her self at him (in a modest 1900’s way) trying to remind him of all the friends he had in town and to not leave them.

Elizabeth and Lucas had 2 conversations about Christmas and that was it.

Lucas is the better match but apparently the show will only allow Elizabeth to be with a Mountie.  He’s so boring. Ugh.

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Finally watched the Christmas special. Agree with all those who thought it was boring. I wasn't expecting any story movement, because they've always made the Christmas special be mostly standalone so that anyone who misses it won't be lost. But the standalone storylines weren't very interesting (though I liked the salesman guy). And Faith/Carson have no spark (although I like them both individually).

But going forward, yeah. I need some movement on some things. Lee/Rosemary and kids, Clara/Jesse getting married finally, etc. And count me with those who think Elizabeth with Nathan would be so boring. Another mountie? Lame. I do like the actor, but no. I think Lucas is much more interesting, and can cover new ground. Put Nathan with the telephone operator (I can't remember her name). I can't recall any scenes they've had, but I feel like it could be interesting.

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