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On 12/5/2018 at 7:24 AM, Ali1313 said:

You think he would stay at least until he got more gigs? Guess he doesn’t need the money. 

Any article about WCTH after the finally is damage control. So when they say it was his choice to leave and not the fact that they wrote him out of the story line in lue of the Abigail focus, is suspect. They had been shrinking his part for years even though the majority of the fans only watched because of the Mountie/School teacher story and I truly think the producers all thought it would be just fine if they killed the Mountie. Now after they killed him and thereby killing the show, they are now back peddling and blaming it all on Dan. No actor leaves a paycheck, and it's telling that the majority of the other actors on this show do have concurrent other projects. So why could Dan not? Because they did not want the show to be about J&E, and they killed him to make sure the focus can now be on Abigail.

Remember, season 5 stopped filming in October of 2017 and the fateful end happened in April 2018, if the killing of the Mountie was due to Dan "other obligations or projects or need to go onto other projects", there is nothing on any media site with any project he was working on. No actor would "hide" a big project he is working on; so far all he has been on is one hallmark movie (put together for his severance package) and a 5 minute spot on a TV show.

Just sad, still mad. 

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They were shrinking Dan’s part because he told them a season and a half ago he wanted out. Dan said it himself. You can blame producers for how they dragged it out instead of killing him off when Dan first told them.  However Dan wanting out is all on him. It’s not Lori, it’s not any other actor or producer. It was Dan’s choice. 

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4 hours ago, Stuffy said:

You can blame producers for how they dragged it out instead of killing him off when Dan first told them.

What? The whole show was based on the books about a Mountie and a school teacher, that was the plot, that was the marketing THAT was the show I bought into. Season one ended with a kiss, season 2 should have ended with the wedding. All the stories should have been around the Mountie and the school teacher, that is ALL. I'm sad because the show I thought I was watching was not the show I was watching at ALL! Tell me Dan would have walked away from the $$$ to do nothing! I don't buy it and what ever Hallmark, the producers or the actors say now is damage control. This was NEVER suppose to be the way the show ended, NEVER. Those of us who followed from season 1 have been brutally betrayed, and it's unforgivable. 

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I don’t know what to tell you. You’re going to believe what you want, but the truth of it is Dan wanted out.  He gave them plenty of notice to decide what to do with the storyline. They chose to kill the character off rather than recast it. Actors leave higher paid and more successful shows all the time without any future prospects. 

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12 hours ago, Stuffy said:

Actors leave higher paid and more successful shows all the time without any future prospects. 

Not the shows I watch (sources please). I guess I don't watch much TV because not one show I watch had it's main actor quit and the show continued. Yes, the background characters can leave but they are not dead, so they can return in the future to keep the story line going. But to have the main star of the show (the one where the whole story revolves around) leave and the show go on (without the actor having to actually die), no I don't recall that. Not any show that I watch. WCTH show was not an ensemble, the only two actors shown in marketing adds was the Mountie and the school teacher. Which goes back to my point that I was watching a totally different show than what the producers were creating. I know, I know, my bad, and I'm paying for it. 

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On 12/7/2018 at 10:48 AM, Stuffy said:

OMG, I was wondering when someone would bring these old actors up, heck let's go back 40 years and bring up Susan Somers leaving 3's company, I heard about that when I was a small kid. Comparing Lissing to these old actors is in accurate, all of these actors had something waiting in the wings. It just did not pan out for them, but Lissing has nothing and is a relative nobody.

No, what happened here, sadly, is that Dan was like many of us; start a great project but then other folks in the office start to take over. You know, like when you are given less and less to do, not invited to work meetings and you ideas are tabled for "other better" ideas. You don't get fired, they just keep pulling you down until you quit, then they say; "see he/she was the one that wanted to leave". Just sad but I agree with free2think and Stuffy, I'm done.

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The Christmas episode last night. Did they call strollers ‘strollers’ back then? I was thinking baby buggy and that is certainly what it looked like. 

The women are all so made up with false eyelashes, etc. Pristine, lovely clothes. Fairytale time. 

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6 hours ago, Ms Lark said:

I still blame Dan's leaving on a treacle allergy! Cause whoo boy, are we knee deep in treacle.

Right? I'm amazed they managed to resist having Henry adopt the mute orphan girl who kept making him read stories to her in the Christmas special. Lololol. That actor must get such whiplash if he reads the scripts back to back with his Riverdale ones.

I did think it was interesting they're trying to launch a spinoff series about the new orphanage on their streaming service. They didn't really hype that very much, just caught one quick ad for it on one of the commercial breaks. 

Abigail finally had her hair up when they were decorating the nursery! That's also a rare occasion. I noticed she was using some very modern-looking quilted oven mitts while doing her baking. 

And Opal seems to have grown quite a bit. Not sure if that was the same actress.

Kevan also now seems to be using the same weird accent that Pascale does (yet that none of the other cast members use).

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10 hours ago, Pickles said:

Did they call strollers ‘strollers’ back then?

Called 'em "baby carriages" back in my day. Strollers came along much, much later and a carriage is still a carriage, never a stroller!

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On 12/6/2018 at 11:34 AM, free2think said:

Any article about WCTH after the finally is damage control. So when they say it was his choice to leave and not the fact that they wrote him out of the story line in lue of the Abigail focus, is suspect. They had been shrinking his part for years even though the majority of the fans only watched because of the Mountie/School teacher story and I truly think the producers all thought it would be just fine if they killed the Mountie. Now after they killed him and thereby killing the show, they are now back peddling and blaming it all on Dan. No actor leaves a paycheck, and it's telling that the majority of the other actors on this show do have concurrent other projects. So why could Dan not? Because they did not want the show to be about J&E, and they killed him to make sure the focus can now be on Abigail.

Remember, season 5 stopped filming in October of 2017 and the fateful end happened in April 2018, if the killing of the Mountie was due to Dan "other obligations or projects or need to go onto other projects", there is nothing on any media site with any project he was working on. No actor would "hide" a big project he is working on; so far all he has been on is one hallmark movie (put together for his severance package) and a 5 minute spot on a TV show.

Just sad, still mad. 

I think they tried too hard to see the dan and Erin love story too. They tried on interviews and social media to make them out to be a couple off set. That might have just drove him over the edge. It’s the only show where they really push to make these actors and actresses seem like they really are the characters. I don’t know why they would push him out so I think he wanted to leave I just don’t get why he wouldn’t wait until something else came along it’s not like he’s that great of an actor. 

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On 3/8/2018 at 1:04 PM, Roseanna said:

True!

I rewatched the beginning of S1 and most women had their hair up and wore a hat, clothes were more modest and blouses had been stuffed up. What happened after that? 

It seemed to me that Rosemary came in from the big city with her modern looks and that's when the the towns women start letting their hair down and dressing differently. I believe Rosemary's looks caused a stir in the town when she first arrived but then everyone started looking like little rosemary clones. 

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49 minutes ago, Valeria2 said:

It seemed to me that Rosemary came in from the big city with her modern looks and that's when the the towns women start letting their hair down and dressing differently. I believe Rosemary's looks caused a stir in the town when she first arrived but then everyone started looking like little rosemary clones. 

I don't think that professional women nor housewives in the cities dressed like Rosemary. She was an actress and therefore considered immoral.  

Rather, the showrunners decided to give up historical accuracy for modern wartchers. What a pity!   

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Dr Carson Shepherd's grey woll coat is swedish army coat called "Vapenrock m/39-58".....fun facts

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I enjoyed the new episode that aired last night. This show is total fluff, but that is fine with me. Looks like things will go along just fine without Jack. 

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Dear Hallmark,

I don't care about storylines. Just give me an hour of too-cute Baby Jack smiling each week and we're good!

Love,
forumfish

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i highly enjoyed the twist of guy and other guy (i have seen every season of this show and yet their names elude me) pooling their money together to buy the saloon only to be outbid.

i wished they didnt take the most predictable route of elizabeth's baby but that baby is dang cute!! 

i'm still in love with Rosemary Coulter and she and Lee are forever my top faves. 

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7 hours ago, Pickles said:

This show is total fluff

Yup, Jack and Elizabeth gave it substance, now it's all side shows.

And

4 hours ago, forumfish said:

too-cute Baby Jack smiling

2 hours ago, allonsyalice said:

elizabeth's baby but that baby is dang cute!! 

some folks just like the baby, and by the way it's Jack's and Elizabeth's baby! A baby growing up without his father, with a mother that is too busy to care for him. Also, all the scenes with the baby are so staged, Do the writer even know what it feels like to have to go to work and leave your baby behind? There is no way her parents or even Jack's mom would not be there helping out. But I guess this just goes to the first comment that the show id just "total fluff". But in this episode Jack was hardly mentioned, they want everyone to forget he even mattered. I guess they are succeeding. 

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8 hours ago, langford peel said:

That that is one cute Baby! He smiles every time the cameras are on him.

How do they do that?

Baby wrangler (yes, that's the title of a real job. LOL) standing just out of camera range with baby's favorite toy or making goofy faces or both. 

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19 minutes ago, LegalParrot81 said:

Baby wrangler

Yes, I was going to say that. It's one of the reasons I don't like to see "behind the scenes" footage, you can see the actual mother or "handler" of the baby making faces and encouraging the baby to cooperate. The baby "acts" all by themselves then they are edited back into the scene in post. Kinda like a animal show where the whale does flips to get fed.

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I was very disappointed by the review of last season.  One minute Elizabeth and Jack are getting married and then the school is being dedicated to Jack.  Elizabeth said something about how people you love are always with you.  Then Abigail tells Elizabeth that she (Elizabeth) is pregnant.  That's it.  No mention at all about Jack dying.  

Is the telephone operator going to stay on to handle all three of Hope Valley's phones?

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1 hour ago, ShelleySue said:

No mention at all about Jack dying.

Ya, from what little I've seen they are doing the don't say it and just move on. They are doing this "everything is just happy and fine" even though it's huge. Funny how the actors are all say "Elizabeth is grieving Jack" but then it's just all happy playing with the baby, getting a nanny and going back to work. I bet they will start calling the baby JJ or Junior so they don't ever have to say Jack's name ever again. Just strange but I think it's the goal that every one forget about Jack and keep watching the fluff. Also there is a scene where Elizabeth is flirting with the new Saloon owner in the street and it's only when the school kids come by and say "Hi Mrs. Thornton" does she even admit she is married. Just so strange.

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They have to bring in the new love interests for both Elizabeth and Abigail.

I am especially interested in what the have in store for Abigail since this is turning into the Lori Laughlin show. 

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15 hours ago, langford peel said:

They have to bring in the new love interests for both Elizabeth and Abigail.

I am especially interested in what the have in store for Abigail since this is turning into the Lori Laughlin show. 

I was hoping Abigail and Henry would get together. And what are all the sad faces with Rosemary and Lee when they are talking babies? Is she struggling with infertility? Or does Lee just not want a baby yet?

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Maybe Lee's seen the writing on the wall of what happens to men as soon as they father a child!

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7 hours ago, llewis823 said:

I was hoping Abigail and Henry would get together. And what are all the sad faces with Rosemary and Lee when they are talking babies? Is she struggling with infertility? Or does Lee just not want a baby yet?

I was convinced that Rosemary and Lee would end up with one of the orphans from the Christmas special, especially when Rosemary was cooking and sewing for the girls. 

I really felt for that young girl that was working at the store. She looked like she was barely a teenager and she seemed like her life was pretty much over and she was resigned to working at the store to help her family. 

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Honestly, I didn't miss Jack.   

I thought it was implausible that Elizabeth's wealthy family wasn't there pushing her to move back to the city, but I don't see her agreeing to go, so...  

Totally in spite of myself I ship Abigail and Henry.  I ship them hard.   

I am pretty done with Bill because of this, or maybe just because I don't feel like he's done much in all his time.  He's had some adventures he's burned some pudding and then... um... um... um...   

Lee and Rosemary continue to be my jam.    

But Elizabeth being all, "It is fine, you can study when the baby naps."  Whatever Elizabeth.  Whatever.

Dr. Carson is the hotness.

And what are the chances the new saloon owner isn't a woman with improper shoes?   

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22 hours ago, bybrandy said:

I thought it was implausible that Elizabeth's wealthy family wasn't there pushing her to move back to the city, but I don't see her agreeing to go, so...  

Yes, actually the show is pretending that the family members of both Jack and Elizabeth never existed. There is no way Elizabeth's mother (who did go visit her older sister in England when she was giving birth so could not make J&E's wedding), her sister Julie, Jack's mother or brother would not be there with Elizabeth. Seems like they are now changing the story lines of all the secondary characters to see if any stick with the fans. 

22 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Totally in spite of myself I ship Abigail and Henry.  I ship them hard. 

This is the only pairing that really did not sit with me ever on this show (any season). Henry Gowen actions lead to the deaths of Abigail's husband and son there is no way even in fantasy land were Abigail should ever want to make love to that man. I'm not sure who would believe that? Remember, Abigail's husband did not die immediately after the coal mine blast, he had a few moments at least to scribble an apology to his son, "Forgive me, pa". It's very plausible that he was cradling his and Abigail's dead son in his arms at the time. Gowen never said he was ever sorry for any of the 76 (?) men his actions killed and just gave a lame excuse that his upbringing lead him down this path. I'm a wife of over 30 years with a child, there is not enough time in the universe to pass for me to start wanting to making love to the man that killed my husband and child. Forgive perhaps in time, but a physical relationship? No way.

My take on this is that the show runners liked the actor playing Henry so changed the script with his character to keep him on the show and since this is Lori's show now she got to pick who she wanted. Horrible. But I don't like Bill either, that actor is terrible. The actor playing Pastor Frank should not have been fired, he was the most plausible partner for Abigail.

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Yeah, I'd sort of forgotten about Abigail's husband and son (in fairness it isn't like they ever get brought up) but it doesn't change the fact that Henry and Abigail have mad chemistry and she has no chemistry with Bill.  But they haven't yet paired Abigail with Henry and after years and years and years of clearly Bill is there for Abigail they haven't really gone there either I can't say I'm going to get overly worked up over the fact that Abigail and Henry have chemistry.  I mean they might spend this final season of the show just smoldering in one another's direction.

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7 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Henry and Abigail have mad chemistry

I know right, I actually really liked them as adversaries in the first two seasons, they were great opponents. Put those actors in the characters of season 1-2 Abigail and Henry and I loved all their scenes, they play off each other really well. That was one of the story lines i actually like, but was lost after season 2 when this show started to get all pretty (make up, clothes, hair styles) and ridiculous except for the Jack and Elizabeth story line.  

However

7 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Yeah, I'd sort of forgotten about Abigail's husband and son (in fairness it isn't like they ever get brought up)

This is exactly why they never bring it up, they want folks to forget because I do think this show is all about the actors NOT the characters, which is sad.

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7 hours ago, bybrandy said:

she has no chemistry with Bill

Also totally agree with this sentiment, I actually don't like the actor playing Bill ever since he arrive on the scene in season 1. He really is a horrible actor, his line delivery and facial expressions are almost comical. I still think the Pastor Frank character was the best for Abigail.

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So, the new saloon owner is hot and had some nice chemistry with Elizabeth.  I can only guess he and the new Mountie (whenever he shows up) will be vying for her heart.  The problem though is that even though it’s been over a year since Jack “died”. It’s been only 3 episodes for the audience.  I’m guessing we won’t see a kiss or almost kiss until the season finale.

Why did they have to kill Jack off again?  Because Dan wanted out to do nothing? Carson and Faith as this season’s it couple isn’t going to be that exciting.

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This show knew I was gonna stop watching and then added a shady hot guy. that new saloon owner is smoking lmao. He kinda has chemistry with everyone in a weir way. it was fun watching the guys gossip about him. I think he's gonna shake things up. i'd be much more interested in watching Elizabeth with him than with a new mountie. they did the whole mountie thing already and well, i wouldn't want to watch Elizabeth fall for a new mountie. 

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2 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

Carson and Faith as this season’s it couple isn’t going to be that exciting.

Seriously, he's smoking hot.  She's very pretty.  They area adorable and I couldn't be less interested.

I would have preferred Henry as the shady saloon owner and the new guy to be a shady something else because Henry and the Mayor getting into it over his low level shadiness?  Well, I'd have been there for that.  But I have no real issue with the hot new shady saloon owner.

I was never all that invested in Elizabeth and Jack.  They were just so clearly fated that I didn't care much (I rarely ship the main couple in any show) but while I was never terribly invested in Jack I feel like it would be a disservice to his memory to have Elizabeth just fall for any mountie as if it were the position and not the person that won Elizabeth's heart.  

I want to like Lee and Roesemary.  I did early on.  But now they feel really stuck in a rut where nothing really happens to him.  Rosemary says crazy stuff, he mostly goes along with it.  He spends crazy money, she mostly goes along with it.   Whatever.   

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It still amazes me that everyone is sparkly clean, no stains on clothes, perfect makeup, etc. etc.  I am rooting for Faith and Carson. Agree that Abigail and Henry have chemistry.  I'm guessing there is a fertility issue with Lee and Rosemary.  Maybe Carson will come up with some new fangled city remedy for them.

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Has anyone else noticed that the woman have more intricate hairstyles than in previous seasons?

5 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

So, the new saloon owner is hot and had some nice chemistry with Elizabeth.  I can only guess he and the new Mountie (whenever he shows up) will be vying for her heart.  The problem though is that even though it’s been over a year since Jack “died”. It’s been only 3 episodes for the audience.  I’m guessing we won’t see a kiss or almost kiss until the season finale.

When Elizabeth and baby Jack were at Jack's grave Elizabeth said something about it being a year since Jack died.  I told Mr. ShelleySue that she said that specifically so that the viewers would know it was ok for her to start courting again.

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I was noticing the intricate hairstyles too! And the tight blouses that Abigail and some of the other women had on. Wow. Everyone definitely looks pristine and camera ready. 

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The clothes and hair styles are just as ridiculous as the fact that Hoss Cartwright and Matt Dillon wore the same exact clothes for twenty years. 

Thats the flip side of the suspension of disbelief.

Plus Canadians are a lot cleaner. Just sayin’ 

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21 hours ago, langford peel said:

the fact that Hoss Cartwright and Matt Dillon wore the same exact clothes for twenty years. 

No actually this is historically correct. Folks did not have many sets of clothes. Usually just two sets if your lucky. Work clothes and church clothes. The Cartwright's were wealthy so you did see them in different dress at parties and gatherings but it's historically correct that they would wear the same thing every day. 

I remember an interview with Dan during season 3 where he said he was trying to give a back story as to how a Mountie would even own the suit he wore in Hamilton (he said he thought Jack would have borrowed it from fellow Mounties at HQ) or the two suits we see him with in Hope Valley. 

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On 3/3/2019 at 12:28 AM, bybrandy said:

Totally in spite of myself I ship Abigail and Henry.  I ship them hard.   

Lee and Rosemary continue to be my jam.   

Same here for both couples!

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On 3/3/2019 at 1:51 AM, free2think said:

But I don't like Bill either, that actor is terrible.

For all his fame from soaps, I agree - Jack Wagner cannot act his way out of a paper bag.

On 3/3/2019 at 3:40 AM, bybrandy said:

I mean they might spend this final season of the show

Did I miss something? Is this the final season?

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1 hour ago, llewis823 said:

For all his fame from soaps, I agree - Jack Wagner cannot act his way out of a paper bag.

Did I miss something? Is this the final season?

I have not heard anything about this being the final season.

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7 minutes ago, Pickles said:
1 hour ago, llewis823 said:

For all his fame from soaps, I agree - Jack Wagner cannot act his way out of a paper bag.

Did I miss something? Is this the final season?

I have not heard anything about this being the final season.

bybrandy said upthread:

"I can't say I'm going to get overly worked up over the fact that Abigail and Henry have chemistry.  I mean they might spend this final season of the show just smoldering in one another's direction". 

That's why I asked.

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3 hours ago, llewis823 said:

Did I miss something? Is this the final season?

Not that I know of.  I was just saying it might be the final season and they might not get anywhere.   But the series is getting older and it has lost its male lead so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if ratings are down and they give them one final Christmas episode to tie everything up.   But for all I know people are perfectly happy with the show without Mountie Jack (I am).   And maybe the show runs forever.  Just speculation.

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47 minutes ago, bybrandy said:

But for all I know people are perfectly happy with the show without Mountie Jack (I am).   And maybe the show runs forever. 

Ya, this "new show" dropped  many the folks that were there from the beginning, where Henry killed Abigail's husband and son along with 74 other men the husbands and sons of the town and the story was about a Mountie Jack and Miss Thatcher the School teacher who were fated to live happily ever after and the town folk were just plain folk with their own back stories. 

Now, Jack is dead, Abigail is into her husbands killer and the school teacher is flirting with the new saloon owner.

I'm out but I can see where other folks would still like this show. Just a disservice to many of us who were with this show from day 1 when all the characters were true to the story.

Hard to let go, it was such a great story.

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On 3/4/2019 at 3:30 PM, lookeyloo said:

It still amazes me that everyone is sparkly clean, no stains on clothes, perfect makeup, etc. etc.  I am rooting for Faith and Carson. Agree that Abigail and Henry have chemistry.  I'm guessing there is a fertility issue with Lee and Rosemary.  Maybe Carson will come up with some new fangled city remedy for them.

So true. Where the ugly people. I want my people to be represented on the show.

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I quit watching this show for awhile. When did Pastor Frank leave? Is he gone for good? I liked him.

Talking about the characters' clothes and appearances, there is something about Carson that makes him look completely out of place here.  He's hot, definitely.  But every time he's on screen, I think why is a guy from current day walking around Hope Valley in the early 1900s?

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