MrSmith June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 Ugh. Do we have to see Jeremy Davies AGAIN? Christ. He was all kinds of awful in the three episodes of the fourth season of Sleepy Hollow that I watched. And I am just sick of him. I would be happy if I never saw him in anything ever again. The guy is just not this good of an actor that he warrants all these roles. Link to comment
Athena June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 A darkly funny moment was the faceless simulacrum of Mr World that was escorting media to the party. When Media speaks with Easter/Ostara, the faceless guy is doing dramatic movements in the background. Those things are very creepy but that was the only lightness about them. 1 Link to comment
mammaM June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, qtpye said: Can anyone tell me why the hell I am rooting for Odin? Seriously, I actually like the guy and he is horrible. He had Laura killed, dooms millions to starvation, and runs over bunnies. Does anyone else think Shadow looks like the son of Bilquist and Odin or am I just seeing nothing more then all pretty people sort of resemble each other? Maybe Odin was the only one who escaped her vagina nebula (totally the name my new band). I think that's the point my dear. No spoilers I promise, but I started feeling like that at some point in the book also. He's horrible and loveable. Also, I can't wait to see the Vagina Nebula (hear the echo, nebula..nebula..nebula..) coming (heehee) to a stage near you! 3 Link to comment
qtpye June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, mammaM said: I think that's the point my dear. No spoilers I promise, but I started feeling like that at some point in the book also. He's horrible and loveable. Also, I can't wait to see the Vagina Nebula (hear the echo, nebula..nebula..nebula..) coming (heehee) to a stage near you! Believe me...Vagina Nebula will suck you in and never let go. Loved the finale and can't wait for the new season. The real love story might be betwee Laura and Mads. 8 Link to comment
jeansheridan June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 17 hours ago, DakotaLavender said: There were 8 episodes and what is this even all about? 1. Faith 2. Blending old cultures into new. 3. Respecting/knowing your roots. 4. American identity 5. Does modern really equal progress? Do media and Mr World offer real support to humans or are they empty calories? 6. Is there room in our modern world for magic and ritual? I didn't like this last ep because it lacked punch but the show overall is definitely about something. Regarding Odin being likeable. I think it is a very modern idea that God can be just kind and benevolent. People reference Old Testament God. The one that flooded the world and burned cities and sent plagues. I like Mad Sweeney saying he is like the wind blowing good and ill. That's life after all. 9 Link to comment
Eneya June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 MadMoon sounds like the best handle of these two. :) Though... he is also no match for Laura. I mean... cute as hell, but breakable... 3 Link to comment
Bruinsfan June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, starri said: I was impressed by Media going for "Judy Garland in Easter Parade" rather than the better-known "Judy Garland in Meet Me in St. Louis." Well, in the latter movie Spring is more or less an afterthought and the real focus is on the holidays. The iconic Judy who sang "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" might come off as more of a slight to Ēostre than a sign of respectful fellowship given her apparent ambivalence about sharing her holiday with all the Jesuses. Edited June 19, 2017 by Bruinsfan 1 Link to comment
Haleth June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Athena said: A darkly funny moment was the faceless simulacrum of Mr World that was escorting media to the party. When Media speaks with Easter/Ostara, the faceless guy is doing dramatic movements in the background. Those things are very creepy but that was the only lightness about them. He was doing his best Fred Astaire to Media's Judy. 1 hour ago, MrSmith said: Do we have to see Jeremy Davies AGAIN? I hadn't seen him since Lost which is why it took me a while to place him. The vivid colors and whimsy (not to mention Kristen) were really a call back to Pushing Daisies. Laura needs Ned to show up if she wants resurrection before more parts fall off. 3 Link to comment
LadyJaney June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) Great final episode. It always surprises me how different every episode is from the next. I absolutely loved last weeks episode, but adored this one too and they almost seemed like two totally different shows! And poor Mad Sweeney. I almost wished he had kept the coin and left Laura in the street, especially when she had him by the balls (literally). But alas, I think these two will be joining forces next season to stick it to Wednesday after what he has done to her. Sweeney clearly has it bad for her, lots of longing looks to her when she isn't noticing. I wonder if eventually Laura will realize her feelings have shifted from the idea of still loving Shadow to the reality of loving Sweeney? Granted this would probably take many episodes. Oh lord, I almost puked when Laura spit up the maggots!! Gross! Her eyes are clouding up too. She really is looking like death is progressing over her body. I appreciate how the show keeps gradually rotting away at Laura's body. I am not a huge fan of Kristen Chenowith in general, but I adored her as Ostara/Easter. She was perfectly cast for this role! Aah, we got the back story of Bilquis. I feel a little of her character goes a long way and can use space between episodes of her and all the goddess/sex/vagina stuff. However, that being said, I'm glad to know her back story and see how she went from her queen status to rock bottom and to where she is now. The actress is stunningly beautiful too. Gah, Tech Boy is such a little douchebag! And the grill makes it even worse. Loved the little flirtatious smiles and comments between Shadow and Ostara. He has more chemistry with her than he has ever had with Laura. The scenes and colors in the episode were breathtaking! Will miss this show until it's return, I'm guessing Spring/Summer 2018? Sigh..... Edited June 19, 2017 by LadyJaney Link to comment
MrSmith June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, LadyJaney said: I am not a huge fan of Kristen Chenowith in general, but I adored her as Ostara/Easter. She was perfectly cast for this role! If you get the chance to see episode 6 of the Muppets tv show from 2015, she's in that and it's hilarious! She does a great job in that episode. Edited to add: Episode title is "The Ex-Factor" Edited June 19, 2017 by MrSmith 1 Link to comment
Epeolatrix June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, WatchrTina said: Who was the guy with jelly beans falling through wounds in his hands? He was too old to be a version of Jesus. Saint Padre Pio. Bryan Fuller tweeted, "AS A CATHOLIC SCHOOL BOY I FREQUENTLY JOKED ABOUT PADRE PIO NOT EATING JELLY BEANS CAUSE THEY FELL THROUGH HIS STIGMATA". Edited June 19, 2017 by Violet Impulse To correct my link. 2 Link to comment
starri June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 I wish we could have seen Creationist Jesus with his baby dinosaur. 6 Link to comment
GreyBunny June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 Credit to the make-up team, Laura's decomposing body is grossing me out more than anything I've seen on Walking Dead. I wish that Sweeney had left her dead or Ostara was able to re-life her. Instead, it's more flies and maggots, rotting skin, and creepy clouding eyes. 2 Link to comment
jeansheridan June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Eneya said: cute as hell, but breakable... That is part of his appeal. I cannot wait to see him on other shows. He is my new crush. 1 Link to comment
ombre June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, jeansheridan said: I like Mad Sweeney saying he is like the wind blowing good and ill. That's life after all. One of the things I'm enjoying the most about this show is that I remember the bones of the book but not the details. And the show is different enough that I'm betting there will still be surprises even for people who've memorized the book. That said, I'm really fascinated by how, exactly, that coin did find its way to Laura, and whether that isn't just a matter of Mad Sweeney's mad luck having wrought semi-divine intervention on the plans of the gods. 2 hours ago, jeansheridan said: Regarding Odin being likeable. I think it is a very modern idea that God can be just kind and benevolent. People reference Old Testament God. The one that flooded the world and burned cities and sent plagues. I like Mad Sweeney saying he is like the wind blowing good and ill. That's life after all. I was recently reading Peter Ackroyd's Foundation: The History of England from Its Earliest Beginnings to the Tudors and *got* in a visceral way that I had not *got* before the degree to which the vast portion of humanity was just so much mud for the elites of the day to use as it pleased (draw that out into as *many* directions as you like). The disregard for humanity in American Gods comes off as similarly feudal, whether it's coming from the old gods or the new, and it's an effective one. While that's not surprising when you think of *gods*, the idea of humans as just the ants that make Media or Technology run is a nice turn. Feels like every day I see yet another article about unplugging and the frustrations of feeling trapped in the ecosystem of Media and Technology. I continue to be impressed by how the show plays with light and surface. This time I was all over struck with Bilquis. I've read so many complaints by people in film about how current technology doesn't show dark skin in dim lighting well, often used as an excuse for why there aren't more, better roles for dark-skinned performers. It's a pleasure to see work that refutes the heck out of that, shows it up as a lazy excuse. 9 Link to comment
tennisgurl June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) No! That cant be it! I want more! More gods! More Shadow! I want House on the Rock damn it! Eight episodes just isn't enough! Anyway, I really loved the finale, and thought it was a great way to end the season on a high note. I've been looking forward to Kristen Chenowith as Easter/Ostara since I first heard she had been cast, and she was totally worth the wait. Talk about your dream casting! She was so delightfully perky and adorable, but I could also see the powerful pagan goddess in there as well, especially at the end. Plus, she and Shadow were super cute together. I'm enjoying the running theme of "Old Gods Love Shadow" that seems to keep cropping up. And he seemed so charmed by her, and so amazed by everything that was happening. Her whole Easter party with all the Jesus's was pretty great (a Jesus with a tiny dinosaur!), and I love the idea of the many different variations of Jesus, depending on who is looking at him. And, hey, it looks like Mexican Jesus is alright! It will take more than a few bullets to fight off Jesus. I'm actually interested to see where Jesus (and maybe the Judeo/Christian God?) will fit into this whole new god/old god war that's just been declared. I mean, Jesus and his family aren't really Old Gods the way the rest as, as they still have tons of worshippers, but they aren't really New Gods either, as they've been around for ages, are still religious figures in the way many Old Gods are, and came here with immigrants like the Old Gods did. Maybe they have so much power, they will just leave well enough alone? Like, they don't have any dog in this fight, or they just don't want to get involved? Mr. Nancy can really spin a story, cant he? I love that all the gods, old and new, all have their own distinct musical cues and visual styles. Like, you can tell right away who you'll be dealing with just by hearing the music. I really liked the Bilquis story, and it retroactively justified some of the extra time with her earlier that seemed a bit pointless. Looks like she is gearing up to screw over Technology Boy, or is at least gathering up more power. I loved seeing her many variations throughout history, with the original ancient queen, to Disco Era Tehran, to the aids epidemic, to her lowest as a homeless woman watching terrorists ruin her temple, to making a deal with Tech Boy and becoming the sexy tender goddess who exists now. I just really enjoy the show spanning so much of time and culture throughout the world, and how that affected these ancient beings who were blending into human culture. I'm also enjoying the wide variety of immigrant stories we are getting, even if its just in glimpses. We have everything from the African slaves, to indentured servants, to the ancient hunter/gatherer tribe, to the modern day Mexican immigrants crossing the border, to the Iranian woman fleeing the cultural revolution in the 70s, its just such an awesome mesh of people and cultures, all coming to the same place. I hope we get to see plenty more, even when they aren't super plot relevant. I wonder if we will meet the people/person who brought over Easter? Or the Slavic gods in Chicago? I'm so in. I'm also super enjoying the Mad Sweeny/Laura story, especially now that Laura knows what really happened. Mad Sweeny so has a crush on her, its hilarious. Sure you don't want her to die for "selfish reason" Mad Sweeny. Sure you don't. Even Easter gave him a "yeah, right" look after that one. I'm not sure this will end well for him though, considering Laura still seems to be in love with Shadow. On the one hand, even I feel like the pacing is a bit slow, mainly because its such a short season. We spent a lot of time on things that aren't plot relevant, and, as a book reader, I'm pretty ready to get on to the cool stuff that's coming up, and with only eight episodes per year, it feels like we haven't gotten very far. But, on the other hand, the journey is so much fun, and so filled with creativity and interesting ideas, that I'm really not complaining. The show is more about theme and character, and not so much about plot. On that front, I do wish we had gotten know Shadow a bit more, but that's kind of just how he is, and we have gotten to know a lot of the supporting/minor characters WAY more here than I expected, so I think its still working. As I've said before, its a road trip story. The plot is more or less an excuse to meet all these colorful characters and hear stories about American culture and history. Its not for everyone, but I'm still loving the hell out of it. Edited June 19, 2017 by tennisgurl 8 Link to comment
Doyounot June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 Great stuff i love it! I laughed so many times. At nancys its too big lets start with a story, whats the moral of the story, shadow freaking the fuck out (turns out hes not angry the deals intact), angry gets shit done(you know it), Wednesday making jesus sad (easter doing damage control too), the smirk when he ran over the bunnies (and composing himself when shadow grilled him), and many more! Laura is awesome she just shit all over wednesdays moment just by showing up wanting to talk to her husband (the smile all death like still totally worked!). I feel bad for the leprechaun loving laura and being hurt by her every time she mentions her intentions and also being abused by her(even though he sort of deserves it) and i wonder whats gonna happen if/when she sees it (or reveals she sees it). In all seriousness though the scene with Wednesday and media was amazing meta stuff this show presents some good questions! Popularized the pagan ha! So many thought provoking parts i wanna rewatch the whole show and ponder on my own some more (just to remember the ideas presented seeing as its too big to recall some of the deeper stuff that gets lost behind all the story, funny and beauty). I donno if i could write out my thoughts on the deeper stuff so forgive the shallow. Like others have said it doesnt matter to me that the plot doesnt move forward at great speed i just enjoy exploring all the ideas/ hearing stories about all the characters so i cant wait for next season if it keeps the pace the same its still one of my favorites! 1 Link to comment
Gummo June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 It was clear to me by episode 3 that this series was not going to follow the usual 21st century conventions of slam-bang-pow storytelling, and that's one of the things that drew me in. If I had to compare it to anything, I would compare it to classic novels, from Don Quixote to the works of Dickens -- thick, rich tomes you were supposed to take your time with, where the main plot was often interrupted by songs, poetry, stories told by or to the characters, long descriptive passages, and other digressions. In other words, I'm loving this friggin' series and I hope it meanders on for quite a few seasons. 9 Link to comment
mammaM June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, Gummo said: It was clear to me by episode 3 that this series was not going to follow the usual 21st century conventions of slam-bang-pow storytelling, and that's one of the things that drew me in. If I had to compare it to anything, I would compare it to classic novels, from Don Quixote to the works of Dickens -- thick, rich tomes you were supposed to take your time with, where the main plot was often interrupted by songs, poetry, stories told by or to the characters, long descriptive passages, and other digressions. In other words, I'm loving this friggin' series and I hope it meanders on for quite a few seasons. This. I don't mind slow as long as it's entertaining. And I like the comparison to Dickens, one of my favorite authors, just remember: even ramblings has to be well written and eventually move forward, we were lucky Dickens was talented enough to make it work in an era when authors were paid by the word. But I like Gaiman and Fuller (and LOVE the cast, come back Cloris) and have faith (all hail Media!) they'll make it work. 1 Link to comment
WaltersHair June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 I want to say, I'm very happy they're using actresses in their 40's as sexy women and not relegated to roles as 'mothers'. Kristen and Gillian still look great. Don't like Odin and probably never will. Also, Greasy Hammer Man is greasy. I really want the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to make an appearance at some point. The multiple Jesus' freaked me out. My grandmother had this Jesus hanging, as did most people of that generation. Don't know what they're hanging now. 1 Link to comment
MrSmith June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, WaltersHair said: Greasy Hammer Man is greasy. Peter Stormare is AWESOME! 1 Link to comment
WaltersHair June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 Quote Peter Stormare is AWESOME! The actor is just fine. His character grosses me out. His accent is so distinctive, I always hear him say "L DOPA" from Awakenings inside my head. 1 Link to comment
ombre June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, WaltersHair said: Don't like Odin and probably never will. I mean, that's just downright *sane*. Odin is a liar and a cheat and only out for himself. He's smart af and wise and charming, and he's powerful and willing to tuck you under his wing (if you sign your soul over to him) but he's also a liar and a cheat and only out for himself. The story is, in many ways, an exploration of hierarchical societies, and not a particularly complimentary one. He is an absolute patriarch. It may be easy to ride along on a patriarch's coattails, but it only takes you where *he* wants to go. I think the show spends a lot of time setting things up to make you ever so slightly uncomfortable. The montage during the credits, for instance, is *cool* but too slick, slick to the point of slight discomfort. But very slight. Cooking the frog by gradually turning up the heat. 4 Link to comment
DarkRaichu June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) Lol at multiple jesuses. That was a perfect dig to the multitudes of denominations existing today. Although I kept waiting for the black jesus (cf Black-ish) Loved Chenoweth in Pushing Daisies. Love her in this show too ;) Somebody explain this to me: All gods old and new seem to think Shadow was special if not downright important. HOWEVER, Sweeney told Laura that Shadow was just a guy and did not matter. Should we pay attention to this???? ETA: Also loved Media's line: "Adapt and survive. What we have achieved together, you and I, is no small feat. Now that we're living in an atheist world." Not sure how Odin can keep his old ways when the society does not even acknowledge the existence god(s) and would rather spend time with their iphones Edited June 19, 2017 by DarkRaichu 1 Link to comment
Anela June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 3 hours ago, WaltersHair said: I want to say, I'm very happy they're using actresses in their 40's as sexy women and not relegated to roles as 'mothers'. Kristen and Gillian still look great. Don't like Odin and probably never will. Also, Greasy Hammer Man is greasy. I really want the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to make an appearance at some point. The multiple Jesus' freaked me out. My grandmother had this Jesus hanging, as did most people of that generation. Don't know what they're hanging now. I like that actresses over 40 are being featured, as well. 3 Link to comment
ElectricBoogaloo June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) Quote I'm not sure this will end well for him though, considering Laura still seems to be in love with Shadow. I don't think she was ever in love with Shadow when she was alive and I don't think she's in love with him now that she's dead. I think she's obsessed with the idea of feeling the same spark that happened when she kissed him in the motel room. Edited June 20, 2017 by ElectricBoogaloo Live isn't the same as love 6 Link to comment
Kuther2000 June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 3 hours ago, DarkRaichu said: Lol at multiple jesuses. That was a perfect dig to the multitudes of denominations existing today. Although I kept waiting for the black jesus (cf Black-ish) I think there was a black Jesus in the background. I was looking as well. Link to comment
WaltersHair June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 (edited) Quote I think there was a black Jesus in the background. I was looking as well. There's a black Jesus all the way back to Good Times 1974 (seems in keeping with the disco theme from earlier in the episode.) Black Jesus Yes, I am a fount of useless knowledge that can only put to use on message boards. Edited June 19, 2017 by WaltersHair 2 Link to comment
WatchrTina June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 Another view of all the Jesuses (Jesi?) 7 Link to comment
AimingforYoko June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, starri said: Mormon Jesus needs a name-plate. And is "short sleeves" code in Mormon for long sleeves? ETA: Ah, he is in short sleeves in the group photo. Edited June 20, 2017 by AimingforYoko Link to comment
ganesh June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 (edited) I kind of have to call BS on Mr Show's "you only matter in times of war." The world is essentially in war without end these days, so I'd say he's quite relevant. Shadow like the ONLY person who didn't know Wednesday was Odin. Good monologue though. I did like that they revisited all the Jesuses too. Jesi? I don't know the plural. Edited June 20, 2017 by ganesh 2 Link to comment
ganesh June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 12 hours ago, MrSmith said: Ugh. Do we have to see Jeremy Davies AGAIN? I know. I was like this guy again. He's only got one way of speaking. 2 Link to comment
DarkRaichu June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 2 hours ago, WatchrTina said: Another view of all the Jesuses (Jesi?) I did not realize Shadow's suit (+tie+shirt) was great match for Easter's outfit. I was too busy looking for the jesuses to notice when watching the episode :P 3 Link to comment
WatchrTina June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 (edited) I've just spotted that one of the Jesi is identified in Kuther2000's post as "Black Albino" Jesus. Now that's what I call covering ALL the bases (racially speaking.) Though I think they could do with a Maori Jesus. (Maori men are hot. We deserve a Maori Jesus.) Edited June 20, 2017 by WatchrTina 3 Link to comment
ganesh June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 On 6/18/2017 at 8:27 PM, Gillian Rosh said: "St. Nick took the same deal you did." Gillian Anderson is the best. Truly. I really liked that actually. It gives the scope of Media's and Show's plans. I do have an issue with the lack of narrative direction overall, but they have done world building really well. On 6/18/2017 at 1:22 PM, DakotaLavender said: I have not read the books so for me the story seems totally undeveloped. I don't know if they were mainly using this season for setup. Clearly, they were building to the end where Odin reveals how powerful the old gods really are, and that certainly was impactful, and the war is on, so they did do something, but yeah. I don't think we needed 8 episodes to get to that point. The solo Sweeny/Laura episode was a big miss for me, and seemed like they didn't have enough of the main story to cover 8 hours. I do agree that waiting to reveal Easter was a good move. I remember seeing the old temples blowing up on the news and feeling bad about the loss of such history. I bought Bilquis feeling it. I'm having a hard time figuring out how the new gods could win this war given how many old gods there are. That means the new ones have to have comparatively a super high god-power density. I also liked how we got one more shot of Shadow with the buffalo god. I wish the show clued us in just a little on why Odin thought Shadow was so important. It's clearly not because Odin needs one believer given how he went to such lengths. 3 Link to comment
WaltersHair June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 Quote I've just spotted that one of the Jesi is identified in Kuther2000's post as "Black Albino" Jesus. Now that's what I call covering ALL the bases (racially speaking.) I totally thought that was Jessie Plemmons in the second photo. Link to comment
GreyBunny June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 But where's the baby Jesus and where's the baby dinosaur?! 1 Link to comment
Ravenya003 June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, DarkRaichu said: Somebody explain this to me: All gods old and new seem to think Shadow was special if not downright important. HOWEVER, Sweeney told Laura that Shadow was just a guy and did not matter. Should we pay attention to this???? As a book reader, and without giving anything away, I can say the inconsistency does make sense from a certain point of view (to quote Obi Wan). There's an undercurrent to the proceedings that the writers are keeping surprisingly low-key, but by the time the show is over, viewers are definitely going to want to schedule a re-watch in order to pick up all the little clues that are being subtly sown. On an unrelated note, there's a lovely line from Mad Sweeney during his first meeting with Laura in which he describes his coin as special, "the kind you'd give to the King of America." Later (or earlier in the chronology) it's Essie who tells him he should go to America and "deliver gold to their king." Which suggests that either a) he's remembered Essie's instructions all these centuries later, b) he subconsciously connected Laura to Essie via the coin, or c) both. There are actually a lot of interesting little echoes in the dialogue, not just with these two, but across all the characters. Edited June 20, 2017 by Ravenya003 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 I thought the new gods were Tech Boy, Media and Mr. World? Do I have the names wrong? Link to comment
starri June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: I thought the new gods were Tech Boy, Media and Mr. World? Do I have the names wrong? You are correct. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 Just now, starri said: You are correct. Thanks. I saw references to a Mr. Show and got confused. Link to comment
rollacoaster June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 19 hours ago, ombre said: I continue to be impressed by how the show plays with light and surface. This time I was all over struck with Bilquis. I've read so many complaints by people in film about how current technology doesn't show dark skin in dim lighting well, often used as an excuse for why there aren't more, better roles for dark-skinned performers. It's a pleasure to see work that refutes the heck out of that, shows it up as a lazy excuse. Loving all the glorious, well-lit flesh and sensuality this episode. Bilquis looked absolutely, deliciously radiant. I'm glad they told more of her story. Did anyone else notice that, in her flashback temple scene, she was wearing the jewelry set she was gazing at while she was in the museum? I'm curious to see the role she will play at the House on the Rock. Her role in the book was much, much more limited. Dammit if Laura hasn't grown on me. I gotta admire her no fucks given attitude. Orlando Jones is playing Mr. Nancy with great edge and ferocity! Whew! Such panache! Let the man tell his Gotdamn story! I want him to make me a suit with all the accessories, AND tell me a story. I don't want it to be over!!!!!!!!!! I may just go back and watch it again, to savor the wonderful details. 6 Link to comment
yagathai June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 (edited) Wait a sec, why do Jesuits get their own Jesus? I was educated by Jesuits, and I seem to recall Jesus being the standard Catholic model. 11 hours ago, ganesh said: I kind of have to call BS on Mr Show's "you only matter in times of war." The world is essentially in war without end these days, so I'd say he's quite relevant. Shadow like the ONLY person who didn't know Wednesday was Odin. Good monologue though. I did like that they revisited all the Jesuses too. Jesi? I don't know the plural. Clearly Shadow has never taken a Comparative Mythology class, because between Grimnir, Wotan and Wednesday it's not like Odin was being coy about his identity. Edited June 20, 2017 by yagathai Link to comment
DarkRaichu June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Ravenya003 said: As a book reader, and without giving anything away, I can say the inconsistency does make sense from a certain point of view (to quote Obi Wan). There's an undercurrent to the proceedings that the writers are keeping surprisingly low-key, but by the time the show is over, viewers are definitely going to want to schedule a re-watch in order to pick up all the little clues that are being subtly sown. On an unrelated note, there's a lovely line from Mad Sweeney during his first meeting with Laura in which he describes his coin as special, "the kind you'd give to the King of America." Later (or earlier in the chronology) it's Essie who tells him he should go to America and "deliver gold to their king." Which suggests that either a) he's remembered Essie's instructions all these centuries later, b) he subconsciously connected Laura to Essie via the coin, or c) both. There are actually a lot of interesting little echoes in the dialogue, not just with these two, but across all the characters. Thank you for phrasing the answer in such a way that answered the question and in the same time not giving too much away ;) Given my tendency to overanalyze shows that I watch, I tried not to look too hard for subtle hints in this show and just enjoyed the ride for once. :D 1 Link to comment
rollacoaster June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 34 minutes ago, yagathai said: Clearly Shadow has never taken a Comparative Mythology class, because between Grimnir, Wotan and Wednesday it's not like Odin was being coy about his identity. I suspect that Shadow is like a good many people. 6 Link to comment
ganesh June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 51 minutes ago, yagathai said: Clearly Shadow has never taken a Comparative Mythology class, because between Grimnir, Wotan and Wednesday it's not like Odin was being coy about his identity. Or been through 8th grade english where I first learned it. Plus, the eyes. If Wednesday was on the plane and said, "hey, it's my day", I'd be like oookaaay Odin, whatever. I'm hoping one of Shadow's eventual god (my speculation) powers is the power of inference. 1 Link to comment
jeansheridan June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 22 hours ago, ombre said: I've read so many complaints by people in film about how current technology doesn't show dark skin in dim lighting well, often used as an excuse for why there aren't more, better roles for dark-skinned performers. All of the black actors are well lit. Shadow is glorious but so are the other two actors. I never realized that was an excuse. Such BS. 3 Link to comment
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