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1 minute ago, politichick said:

I am trying to remember but I think he said they should all get together in France and do a bicycle tour, drink wine and eat baguettes. I'll have to watch again.

He did, indeed! It was hilarious because it read so much like, "Ugh, these Americans all think that's what the French do, so may as well do it." I think he might've even suggested that they wear berets (though this last part could be my imagination because I felt he was already laying it on pretty thick). 

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On 6/15/2017 at 11:49 AM, Ellee said:

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Now ..... what's his name again?  Think....think....think!!!

 

ETA:  Picture from TamaraTattles.

For the person thinking that Carson was there at the party.  Apparently yes, he was.   Memory fail here....I should know the gentleman next to him in this picture and for the life of me can't come up with the name.... or the show.

 

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Doug Wilson from Trading Spaces. 

Now that you've mentioned it with the picture, he's been seen on the show before. Can't remember when or with what housewife but I'm guessing Luann. 

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1 hour ago, Mozelle said:

He did, indeed! It was hilarious because it read so much like, "Ugh, these Americans all think that's what the French do, so may as well do it." I think he might've even suggested that they wear berets (though this last part could be my imagination because I felt he was already laying it on pretty thick). 

 Le Chic, C'est La Vie!

 

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1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

Um could it be she doesn't like Chinese food?  I fail to see how not liking or wanting to try or being unfamiliar with a certain food means there is a 'racial tinge' to it.  

China has over a billion people.  The cultures, dialects, foods are incredibly diverse. There's also Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Singapore, etc. where Chinese people are born and are from.  Carole has probably never stepped into Chinatown before that moment.  How would she know whether she likes Chinese food or not?  It's such a blanket statement.  Do you think people say they don't like American food?  Wouldn't that be a naive comment, since it encapsulates so much variety and everyone makes food differently?  

Dim sum is not known for being spicy.  It's breakfast.  I'm sure many people have eaten dumplings.  

Some people are xenophobic and don't like to learn about other cultures.  That doesn't mean that I have to admire that about a person.  I straight up do not.  I find it incredulous.  I don't consider myself a foodie or adventurous and yet I have had dozens of different cuisines in my life because that's normal for someone living in a metropolitan city.  Having the food of a different culture won't harm you, unless you have a specific allergy to an ingredient used in it.

To the poster who said ordering Chinese food isn't "real" Chinese food.  Not at all my argument.  I was showing that it was part of American popular culture since at least the 1980s to show people ordering food from Chinese restaurants even in a small non-cosmopolitan town yet 50+ Carole living in cosmopolitan NYC in 2017 looked uncomfortable in Chinatown.  To me that says a lot about a person.

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On WWHL, Lu said her next song could be ditty about her blissful nuptials. Perhaps it will feature studded collars. And puppets.

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Maybe she could do a cover version of Fleetwood Mac's "Little Lies" then?

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3 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Carole talked about dim sum. Not all Chinese food.

But I am responding to Natalie68, who did say Chinese food.  

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2 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

China has over a billion people.  The cultures, dialects, foods are incredibly diverse. There's also Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Singapore, etc. where Chinese people are born and are from.  Carole has probably never stepped into Chinatown before that moment.  How would she know whether she likes Chinese food or not?  It's such a blanket statement.  Do you think people say they don't like American food?  Wouldn't that be a naive comment, since it encapsulates so much variety and everyone makes food differently?  

Dim sum is not known for being spicy.  It's breakfast.  I'm sure many people have eaten dumplings.  

Some people are xenophobic and don't like to learn about other cultures.  That doesn't mean that I have to admire that about a person.  I straight up do not.  I find it incredulous.  

Can we seriously stop making the argument that because she didn't want to try food that it makes her xenophobic, close-minded, racist, etc, etc, etc.  I'm a picky eater. I don't care to try most Arabic food. However, I chose to live in the Middle East. I just know that I can't stand spicy food (Taco Bell even borders on too spicy for me sometimes) plus a bunch of other things that I dislike in food. It doesn't make me any of those and nor does it apply to Carole. 

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But I am responding to Natalie68, who did say Chinese food.  

...and?

I was responding to both of you.

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Can we seriously stop making the argument that because she didn't want to try food that it makes her xenophobic, close-minded, racist, etc, etc, etc.  I'm a picky eater. I don't care to try most Arabic food. However, I chose to live in the Middle East. I just know that I can't stand spicy food (Taco Bell even borders on too spicy for me sometimes) plus a bunch of other things that I dislike in food. It doesn't make me any of those and nor does it apply to Carole. 

Amen.

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Just now, Ms Blue Jay said:

Nah, I'll say what I want.

I just can't believe you are seriously equating someone not wanting to try food with being racist and xenophobic. Someone can not want to try Chinese food and not be xenophobic. 

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6 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

China has over a billion people.  The cultures, dialects, foods are incredibly diverse. There's also Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Singapore, etc. where Chinese people are born and are from.  Carole has probably never stepped into Chinatown before that moment.  How would she know whether she likes Chinese food or not?  It's such a blanket statement.  Do you think people say they don't like American food?  Wouldn't that be a naive comment, since it encapsulates so much variety and everyone makes food differently?  

Dim sum is not known for being spicy.  It's breakfast.  I'm sure many people have eaten dumplings.  

Some people are xenophobic and don't like to learn about other cultures.  That doesn't mean that I have to admire that about a person.  I straight up do not.  I find it incredulous.  I don't consider myself a foodie or adventurous and yet I have had dozens of different cuisines in my life because that's normal for someone living in a metropolitan city.  Having the food of a different culture won't harm you, unless you have a specific allergy to an ingredient used in it.

To the poster who said ordering Chinese food isn't "real" Chinese food.  Not at all my argument.  I was showing that it was part of American popular culture since at least the 1980s for people to order Chinese food even from a small non-cosmopolitan town yet 50+ Carole living in cosmopolitan NYC in 2017 looked uncomfortable in Chinatown.  To me that says a lot about a person.

I think you are reading WAY more into this than need be.  I greatly dislike dumplings (be it German, Polish, Chinese).  Does that mean I am xenophobic or racist?  I also don't care for the Chinese food I have tried.  Why does this matter to anyone?  What does spicy vs not spicy have to do with ANYTHING?  So you are a more adventurous eater than some.  She tried the food.  Perhaps she liked it perhaps she didn't.  Getting bent about someone liking or disliking a certain food and ascribing rascist/xenophobic attributes is pretty silly and far reaching.  

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15 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Carole isn't married, don't you get it?

Carole not being married has nothing to do with why *I* think she's bitter.  Unless she was always as catty as she is now, she's become bitter.  Why? Her life didn't turn out as she planned. Which is heartbreaking, but is also the reason people grow bitter. Some of 'em, anyway. 

Her career and marriage took turns I don't think she expected and imo, she's not changing course gracefully or appreciatively.  Her writing has stalled, her jewelry line failed and now she's selling her 'gently used' clothing, online.  She's doing this show that she said in the beginning was just an experiment - like it was beneath her - but here she is many years later serving as BFF toady to 2 highly successful, bossy women, Heather and Bethenny, respectively.  That's got to be a little tough. I don't like Carole, but I can empathize with being in a career and relationship rut.

Yeah, I think she's bitter. But I believe her when she says she needs to live alone.  I don't think she wants to get married again. 

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17 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

China has over a billion people.  The cultures, dialects, foods are incredibly diverse. There's also Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Singapore, etc. where Chinese people are born and are from.  Carole has probably never stepped into Chinatown before that moment.  How would she know whether she likes Chinese food or not?  It's such a blanket statement.  Do you think people say they don't like American food?  Wouldn't that be a naive comment, since it encapsulates so much variety and everyone makes food differently?  

Dim sum is not known for being spicy.  It's breakfast.  I'm sure many people have eaten dumplings.  

Some people are xenophobic and don't like to learn about other cultures.  That doesn't mean that I have to admire that about a person.  I straight up do not.  I find it incredulous.  I don't consider myself a foodie or adventurous and yet I have had dozens of different cuisines in my life because that's normal for someone living in a metropolitan city.  Having the food of a different culture won't harm you, unless you have a specific allergy to an ingredient used in it.

To the poster who said ordering Chinese food isn't "real" Chinese food.  Not at all my argument.  I was showing that it was part of American popular culture since at least the 1980s to show people ordering food from Chinese restaurants even in a small non-cosmopolitan town yet 50+ Carole living in cosmopolitan NYC in 2017 looked uncomfortable in Chinatown.  To me that says a lot about a person.

You're imposing a lot on someone who doesn't eat because she's looking to be a foodie or adventurous or wanting to explore the globe one dish at a time but because she has to, you know, eat to continue living.

I live in D.C., which has a sizeable East African population, namely Ethiopian. I don't care for Ethiopian food because I don't like injera. I say this as one who is a second generation West African. There are even some dishes from my mom's home country that I simply do not like and will not try (or be shamed into trying because of XYZ). I don't think there's anything more or untoward about not wanting to try foods of the world.

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12 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

But I am responding to Natalie68, who did say Chinese food.  

I said Chinese food because you said it in your first line of your post that I was responding to.

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8 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

I just can't believe you are seriously equating someone not wanting to try food with being racist and xenophobic. Someone can not want to try Chinese food and not be xenophobic. 

I don't believe that, its just Carol is so weird and boring. 

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I worked down the street from DCs Chinatown for decades.  I rarely went there as I've hated all Chinese food I've tried.  Hate the smell, hate the taste.  Make of that what you will.

i also hate tomatoes.  I must be irredeemable.

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5 minutes ago, steelcitysister said:

On WWHL, Lu said her next song could be ditty about her blissful nuptials. Perhaps it will feature studded collars. And puppets.

If you're a fan of the Crappens guys, they've gone ahead and made a single for Lu.  https://audioboom.com/posts/6023930-do-the-d-agostino-official-single

There was one other little remark that made me laugh in this week's episode.  When Dorinda is recalling her tardiness and ill-preparedness for Luann's wedding, she admits and stage whispers that she was "tipsy" as though that behavior was out of character for her and she was embarrassed.  It got a chuckle out of me because, really, tipsy is an improvement over her usual three sheets to the wind when she gets a'drinkin', which I'm sure she was the night before the wedding.

I really wish someone would crack the mystery of who that person was in the quick clip of Ro's charity event.  That image is going to haunt me for a long time.

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Let me ask a question please-

If you were not invited to a wedding would you actually go to a party for all the losers who weren't invited and bring a gift?

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1 minute ago, F. M. said:

I don't believe that, its just Carol is so weird and boring

I can't argue with the boring thing.  I like her but yeah, she is boring!

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1 minute ago, F. M. said:

I don't believe that, its just Carol is so weird and boring. 

My comment wasn't directed towards you. It was directed towards the poster who stated (and I quoted in my post) that Carole was xenophobic because of her eating habits. 

I'm fine with saying she is a boring eater (I think she even copped to it at one point). But xenophobic and racist are serious words and accusations that shouldn't be lightly tossed around. Plus, it is an asinine to assume that someone is racist or xenophobic just because they didn't like Chinese food. 

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13 hours ago, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

 

IIRC Carole sells hers online--I may not RC, though.

Do you know what website?  Never mind, found it. Nothing good for sale right now. 

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3 minutes ago, Lizzing said:

If you're a fan of the Crappens guys, they've gone ahead and made a single for Lu.  https://audioboom.com/posts/6023930-do-the-d-agostino-official-single

There was one other little remark that made me laugh in this week's episode.  When Dorinda is recalling her tardiness and ill-preparedness for Luann's wedding, she admits and stage whispers that she was "tipsy" as though that behavior was out of character for her and she was embarrassed.  It got a chuckle out of me because, really, tipsy is an improvement over her usual three sheets to the wind when she gets a'drinkin', which I'm sure she was the night before the wedding.

I really wish someone would crack the mystery of who that person was in the quick clip of Ro's charity event.  That image is going to haunt me for a long time.

 

Jill Zarin's mom?

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1 hour ago, Martinigirl said:

I ate the whole wheel of cheese. I feel great.

 

Bwhahaha, by the pool with the ponies?

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2 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

 

Jill Zarin's mom?

It kinda looked like her, but also kinda like an old dude.  And I couldn't figure out why her mom would be there since, I *think*, Ramona was on the outs with Jill then and wouldn't like her mother signing a release to be on camera in support of Ramona.  Jill is nothing if she's not calculating. HA!  I think I'll try to convince myself that it is her, because if not, I think that being came to harvest our souls.

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4 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I liked the dress too but for a lunch time thing it would be perfect,  (she rarely wears anything I don't like).  Yes, I liked Bethenny's sweater too, I know summer is here (finally) but I suddenly wanted it to be cold so I could wear that sweater, lol.   It would be nice to get their clothing cast offs but fat lotta luck it would do me, I do not think that size 8 would fit in to their 00's.  

My new drinking game...every time Luanne said either, "I'm getting married" or "I got married" I will do a shot of something Skinny Girl from my personal ice luge. 

I wish I could click like twice, Phuket...bwahahaha!  Do we think Sonja packed her yacht jeans?

I can easily picture Sonja breaking into the Dress For Success storage unit, rifling through to get her yacht pants and the outfit she wore for her imaginary date with Prince Albert.

3 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

If my husband grabbed me by the neck I would need a safe word.

Luann has several SAFE phrases...I got the yacht, I got the ring, can you believe it I'm married...and yet that just makes Tom Squeeze harder.

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1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

the Dress For Success storage unit

 

Where she found Cookie.

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1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

Carol/Adam - it was all she talked about on twitter for about 6 months.  She tweeted lies.  She went on and on.  And now she is married to someone that was documented cheating on her and she expects people to look the other way.  They did that for years on her first husband and she pretty much smacked them in the face for their choices.  It's karma.  They will slowly stop talking about it until the next time he cheats.  Cuz we all know that's going to happen.

Adam was banging Luann;s niece, Carole had gone out with Luann's niece and Adam was the subject of conversation.  To me, Carole's error was telling Luann how her niece felt about the situation, when clearly Nicole had expressed otherwise to Luann.  Nicole told Luann about Carole and Adam.  (Same as Tom telling Sonja about he and Luann.)  Luann broke her own rule about never let them get to close when she defended her niece's position.  She backed down after her niece told her to stop.   Adam and Nicole even travelled together after Carole started seeing Adam.  I just don't see a big difference between what Carole did and what Luann did when it came to Tom.  Luann gave unsolicited advice about it being okay to date a much younger man but don't get involved.  I don't see how Luann giving unsolicited advice to Carole differs from Carole giving unsolicited advice to Luann about Tom.  The advice on both sides was more opinion than anything. Neither Carole or Luann came from a place of caring about the other and to pretend otherwise is insulting.

I don't think Luann expects people to look the other way-I see it as it happened and the principles have moved on.  They are happy, they made a commitment to each other. Why are they still talking about The Count? Carole doesn't even know him. It is more on the other parties at this point to seem hell bent on destroying the couple's happiness.  It is their lives let them have it.  Why the hell would anyone keep talking about Tom making out with Debra Dregs at The Regency?   It is old news.  It doesn't take a lot of energy to be accepting of others, and with this group Carole, Ramona and Bethenny seem to regale in passing and pretty much making up gossip.  Carole lost her effing mind when Sonja's facialist passed on gossip-and yet now Carole is the one doing it, in the form of a gay slam, no less.  At this point these ladies are all somewhat public figures.  They should be wise enough to shut down gossip or in the alternative not repeat it.  Stop with the bringing Tom's old girlfriends around and even Harry for that matter.  How would Bethenny feel if Jason showed up at an event or the Jason from Season 1? 

I don't know that Tom is going to cheat again-Luann has said a big fat no to any further indiscretions.   I don't think Luann needs to give us a daily dairy of where Tom is and what he is doing anymore than the two of them should have defend whether or not Luann cooks for Tom.  It is desperate on Carole's part and unattractive.  Some people make up stories to make themselves look better-like Sonja and JFK Jr., I can see Carole having an issue with her, some people bend the truth and get vile and nasty like Ramona towards Bethenny, some people fudge the truth so they don't look bad, like Luann and then some like Bethenny bend the truth to almost the point of delusion to hurt another and get vile and nasty.  They can do a restart and stop trying so hard to hurt each other.  No one looks good when they put someone down to look better.

Luann tells what she likes about Tom, they share similar interests, skiing, boating, travelling and going out.  It isn't deep enough for some.  Carole likes Adam because it is easy but not so easy as to live with him after six months., Bethenny liked Dennis because he had faith in her ability to succeed and he doesn't hang around the apartment all day.  I don't see where these are any higher callings than what Luann likes about Tom.

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Both parties = epic fail! 

Almost as bad as Erika Jayne's parties.

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Also, John I want to like you mainly because Bethenny and Ro do not but what the hell was your follow-up comment to your praise for Carole's outfit about being able to shrink it for her about?

Maybe he thought she looked misshapen.

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I get Beth wants to advertise her skinny girl stuff but, lord it looks so tacky at every event she's involved with.

It just reeks of so much desperation. I never see conventional advertising for her stuff, so I'm guessing the show is her main means of promotion? Which, good on her for getting it for free, but I don't see how the relentless pushing onto the same audience over and over again can be all that effective. Even when considering that there may be a few new viewers each week/season who aren't familiar with SG, her twatwaffle behavior is just as likely to turn them off rather than motivating them to make a purchase.

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I don't know what Virginians are known for but it ain't the peach.

Ham. (Beth ain't giving out anything that's more salty than she is, though.)

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Carole, you were much better off being friends with Heather than a bitter, nasty character like Bethenny.

Yes, and the show itself was much better off, as well.

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First Tom is the biggest cad on the UES. So many women are after him that he'll never be faithful to Lu!

But WHY?????  I need all you Tom-lovers to come out of hiding and tell me why you think Tom is sexy/desirable/interesting without mentioning the word penthouse.  

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18 minutes ago, Lizzing said:

It kinda looked like her, but also kinda like an old dude.  And I couldn't figure out why her mom would be there since, I *think*, Ramona was on the outs with Jill then and wouldn't like her mother signing a release to be on camera in support of Ramona.  Jill is nothing if she's not calculating. HA!  I think I'll try to convince myself that it is her, because if not, I think that being came to harvest our souls.

LOL! I was being a smart-ass :) No idea who he is. He is an odd duck.

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1 hour ago, diadochokinesis said:

She was vile to Carole for that entire season and even worse during the reunion.  She was making baldfaced lies about Bethenny and her relationship to the point that B had to call Dennis's daughter to correct Lu--at which point Lu got even more vicious.  Lu is not innocent in all this.  

I'm pretty sure Luann alluded to Girl Code being about Heather and Carole - they broke the girl code according to her. I still don't understand what they did - was it that they almost caught her hanging from a chandelier in T&C?

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But WHY?????  I need all you Tom-lovers to come out of hiding and tell me why you think Tom is sexy/desirable/interesting without mentioning the word penthouse.  

He has a diamond shooting dick!

Ok, just kidding about that. Which, honestly, Luann should be grateful he doesn't do literally, because...

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27 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

TheRealReal

Thanks, I saw Poshmark first but the Real Real has her better stuff. She gets good prices for her stuff. 

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28 minutes ago, booboopbedoo said:

Let me ask a question please-

If you were not invited to a wedding would you actually go to a party for all the losers who weren't invited and bring a gift?

If it was a duplicate of this situation ... no. If I was getting paid to go like these women are ... yes. Haven't decided if I'd bring a real gift and take it home with me, not bring anything or just a wrapped empty box.  :D

 

(Don't judge me ... lol...you all are judging me, aren't you ..:D :D :D )

 

I have to say I think LuLu pushed too hard in negotiations regarding her wedding.  It's the only way I can see Bravo having a party looking like that place did.  To knock LuLu down a peg or two.  Though....she didn't show a surprised look when they walked in.  Maybe I'm wrong. 

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6 minutes ago, Teddybear said:

But WHY?????  I need all you Tom-lovers to come out of hiding and tell me why you think Tom is sexy/desirable/interesting without mentioning the word penthouse.  

He's short, he's bald, he's a known cheater. Who wouldn't want that?

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8 minutes ago, Teddybear said:

But WHY?????  I need all you Tom-lovers to come out of hiding and tell me why you think Tom is sexy/desirable/interesting without mentioning the word penthouse.  

Or yacht....

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1 hour ago, BBHN said:

Every time she speaks French, a Parisian starts crying, not knowing why...

Dammit, now I want Ramona to start learning French! Or Dorinda, but she is only allowed to speak in French after a few drinks.

Heck I'm waiting for Google Translate to have a drop down field for Drunk Dorindian

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1 hour ago, politichick said:

I am trying to remember but I think he said they should all get together in France and do a bicycle tour, drink wine and eat baguettes. I'll have to watch again.

Yeah, but he didn’t say that in French, he said it in Pepe Le Pew…Hah!

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1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

China has over a billion people.  The cultures, dialects, foods are incredibly diverse. There's also Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Singapore, etc. where Chinese people are born and are from.  Carole has probably never stepped into Chinatown before that moment.  How would she know whether she likes Chinese food or not?  It's such a blanket statement.  Do you think people say they don't like American food?  Wouldn't that be a naive comment, since it encapsulates so much variety and everyone makes food differently?  

Dim sum is not known for being spicy.  It's breakfast.  I'm sure many people have eaten dumplings.  

Some people are xenophobic and don't like to learn about other cultures.  That doesn't mean that I have to admire that about a person.  I straight up do not.  I find it incredulous.  I don't consider myself a foodie or adventurous and yet I have had dozens of different cuisines in my life because that's normal for someone living in a metropolitan city.  Having the food of a different culture won't harm you, unless you have a specific allergy to an ingredient used in it.

To the poster who said ordering Chinese food isn't "real" Chinese food.  Not at all my argument.  I was showing that it was part of American popular culture since at least the 1980s to show people ordering food from Chinese restaurants even in a small non-cosmopolitan town yet 50+ Carole living in cosmopolitan NYC in 2017 looked uncomfortable in Chinatown.  To me that says a lot about a person.

That's not correct. It depends on the region of Chinese food the restaurant is serving. If it's Shanghainese , 90% of the food will be very spicy. It is not breakfast, it is brunch. Dim Sum is also not just dumplings, it's fried food, seafood, beef, pork, poultry, vegetables, pastries.

I did not find Carole's reactions in the restaurant to be racist. I was surprised she didn't seem to have ever tried Dim Sum as she lives in NY. She deferred the decisions to Bethenny.

I also did not find her reactions in the Ice Cream Factory to be racist. I just thought she came across as an asshole making comments about the flavors. If she's strictly a chocolate person, that's what she should have ordered from the get go and not even try the little spoons of various flavors.

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2 hours ago, Normades said:

Not a Carole fan, but I'm not on board with the racial issue with her.  I think she felt that anyone working in a service industry was beneath her -- equal opportunity rudeness.  

The only one who has been consistently rude to service people has been Ramona. Carole has always been polite when in public.   Her unpleasant looks were directed at the food and ice cream. She probably was unaware of how she appeared to the staff. Of course it wouldn't have killed her to say the chocolate ice cream was great while she was still in the shop.

It was funny though, how Bethany was so excited about the food and wanted Carole to have the same excitement, but Carole response was like, "yea, it's chocolate ice cream". Kind of like, what do you want me to say? Calm down. 

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50 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I'm pretty sure Luann alluded to Girl Code being about Heather and Carole - they broke the girl code according to her. I still don't understand what they did - was it that they almost caught her hanging from a chandelier in T&C?

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With a man on her back. Kind of like a female Tarzan. 

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1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Dim Sum is also not just dumplings, it's fried food, seafood, beef, pork, poultry, vegetables, pastries.

Never said it was.

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