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The Family Stone (2005) or, Meredith Did Nothing Wrong, You Jerks!!!

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On ‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 9:15 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Whut? Did these people watch the same movie as me?

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After Meredith handed out the presents and everyone sat there like dumbasses staring at her - I love the way she gives them the "oh for chrissakes!" look as she tells them to "OPEN THEM" - at least she got that moment. She can't even win when she's handing out presents!

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On 2/16/2019 at 7:00 PM, andromeda331 said:

I'm shocked its so many people favorite Christmas movies too. They are all so horrible to Meredith who does nothing wrong. Is it fun to watch everyone dump on one person for no reason? Maybe their the ones who love Meet the Parents which I can't stand either.  I just don't get it. 

I love Meet the Parents!  It's definitely a similar movie.

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I was listening to a recent episode of the How Did This Get Made podcast and was surprised to hear Jason Mantzoukas say that this is one of the movies he likes to watch every holiday season. Maybe he likes it ironically, but he didn't elaborate so now I'll always wonder...

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It's interesting to see this thread pop up again; all I've ever read about this movie (here; I don't know anyone in real life who has seen it and I've never read any professional reviews) is how awful the other characters are to Sarah Jessica Parker's, so when I was recently going around the dial and came across this just several minutes into its run time, I thought I'd give it a whirl to see what all the consternation is about.

Her character annoyed me so much in about three minutes, I went back to channel surfing.  The other character may indeed be disproportionately awful to her, because being annoying isn't a reason to be treated like shit, but I found her unwatchable.  Maybe that was just a bad scene (although, given the run time, it had to be pretty much her introduction to the audience - she was the passenger in a car, and I can't remember who she was with).  I'll try again next time I stumble across it.

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I think I said this before, but the family is kind of awful to her for no reason.

Then it's revealed that actually Meredith sucks.  She says crazy shit about being both gay and deaf (one of the brothers is both).  She says something like "Wouldn't you rather have a normal child?"  

I hate everyone in the movie except for Luke Wilson's character, Patrick (the deaf brother's partner (husband?), and the cop at the end.

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On 1/5/2020 at 2:19 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Then it's revealed that actually Meredith sucks.  She says crazy shit about being both gay and deaf (one of the brothers is both).  She says something like "Wouldn't you rather have a normal child?" 

"I always wanted you to be gay so you could stay my little boy forever."

......Thanks, Mom. Not.

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On 1/4/2020 at 11:19 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I think I said this before, but the family is kind of awful to her for no reason.

Then it's revealed that actually Meredith sucks.  She says crazy shit about being both gay and deaf (one of the brothers is both).  She says something like "Wouldn't you rather have a normal child?"  

I hate everyone in the movie except for Luke Wilson's character, Patrick (the deaf brother's partner (husband?), and the cop at the end.

 

14 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

"I always wanted you to be gay so you could stay my little boy forever."

......Thanks, Mom. Not.

In another movie the family would be polite while the newcomer says these clueless, horrible things at dinner while they look at each other like "Can you believe her?" rolling their eyes and not saying anything, tolerating her. Then finally in the third act, after she makes thoughtlessly insulting comments the whole movie, one of the family snaps and tells her off and it would be a big audience applause moment. I think the best way in situations is neither guests nor hosts should be rude.

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On 2/7/2020 at 2:57 AM, Cobalt Stargazer said:

"I always wanted you to be gay so you could stay my little boy forever."

......Thanks, Mom. Not.

Well, he did sit there and pout like a child so I guess she got her way. Of course his childishness had nothing to do with him being gay,.. guess mom doesn't want to take responsibility for that.

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1 hour ago, Nordly Beaumont said:

Well, he did sit there and pout like a child so I guess she got her way.

Oh, well, sure. In real life, Mom's overweening "support" and condescension would have caused him to at least leave the table if not the house, and I get that it's supposed to be a stark contrast to Meredith saying something thoughtless. Of course, in real life, I doubt anyone would say it quite like that.

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On 2/7/2020 at 2:57 AM, Cobalt Stargazer said:

"I always wanted you to be gay so you could stay my little boy forever."

......Thanks, Mom. Not.

I always took those comments as jokes. Granted, cringey 'the writers are trying too hard' kind of jokes but, imo, it's clear we aren't meant to think the mom is being serious.

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It still wasn't a good thing to say.

And whatever you think of what Meredith said, keep him mind that she at least tried to be polite and not saying anything initially while the rest of the family -- the sister especially -- had already decided they didn't like her, treated her like dirt for most of the weekend, and seemed bound and determined to goad her into some kind of confrontation over their differences. So when everyone was at the dinner table making those "jokes" and precious Julie was permitted to ask nosy and rude questions, Meredith let her guard down and put her foot in her mouth. And everyone pounced on it and Everett threw her the wolves.

Fuck the Stones and fuck this movie.

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The whole dinner scene is so cringe worthy and not for the way it's intended.  In a better movie it's a commentary on how they are all hypocritical assholes but that's giving this one too much credit.  Luke Wilson's reference of the "We're here  We're Queer" slogan is just awkward and dumb (as is the family's reaction as if it's the cleverest thing ever) and the pouting.  Oh, the pouting.

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2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

It still wasn't a good thing to say.

And whatever you think of what Meredith said, keep him mind that she at least tried to be polite and not saying anything initially while the rest of the family -- the sister especially -- had already decided they didn't like her, treated her like dirt for most of the weekend, and seemed bound and determined to goad her into some kind of confrontation over their differences. So when everyone was at the dinner table making those "jokes" and precious Julie was permitted to ask nosy and rude questions, Meredith let her guard down and put her foot in her mouth. And everyone pounced on it and Everett threw her the wolves.

Fuck the Stones and fuck this movie.

Well, I'm bi so I make jokes about my sexuality and so does my family. The son had no issue with it. I thought the jokes were lame, personally, but they weren't offensive or anything.

I think something that gets firgotten by people who've watched this kovie is that this wasn't everyone's first time interacting with Meredith. The sister had met her before, which clearly didn't go much better than the Christmas visit, and one of the brithers had spoken to her. Both oretty much described her as stuck-up, which she was. That's literally how her character is written and is the point of the movie. One of the opening scenes is her demanding someone stay at work to send her something even though it's the friday before Christmas ("I don't care if it's Christmas!"). So she was already unpopular with almost half the family. Then immediately upon entering the house and meeting the deaf son she shouts at him. Which isn't just ignorance, though it's also that and rude. By the time they got to the dinner pretty much everyone in the family was annoyed by her, not without reason. Then she went and really put her foot in it at dinner.

Yeah, they were visibly annoyed by her being stuck up and did not try at all to hide it. And each was annoying in his or her own way. I just...cannot find it in me to see Meredith as the injured party. 

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Meredith didn't act stuck up though?  

I've met a lot….. a looooooooot of women who have dated my brothers, and Rachel's character's behaviour is just beyond the pale.  I always act open, polite, and giving the person the benefit of the doubt if they seem to be having a bad day.  I do it because I love my brothers.

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25 minutes ago, slf said:

Then immediately upon entering the house and meeting the deaf son she shouts at him. Which isn't just ignorance, though it's also that and rude.

She's rude, and ignorance is not an excuse as she's an adult, but I haaaaate Thad's passive aggressive "Why is she shouting at me?" aside to the family.  He knows why.  They all know why.  Because she's ignorant and a rude in that moment.  But it's also a mistake that could be made by anyone who hasn't had much interaction with someone who is hearing impaired. The problem is that the family decided they already didn't like her and instead of giving her the benefit of the doubt they assumed it was coming from an intolerant place.

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2 hours ago, kiddo82 said:

She's rude, and ignorance is not an excuse as she's an adult, but I haaaaate Thad's passive aggressive "Why is she shouting at me?" aside to the family.  He knows why.  They all know why.  Because she's ignorant and a rude in that moment.  But it's also a mistake that could be made by anyone who hasn't had much interaction with someone who is hearing impaired. The problem is that the family decided they already didn't like her and instead of giving her the benefit of the doubt they assumed it was coming from an intolerant place.

I don't think Thad was being passive aggressive, I think he was asking the question all deaf people ask when someone who knows they can't hear decides yelling is appropriate. 

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Just saw this movie for the first time. What a dreadful family. Everett was a jerk who allowed his family to treat his girlfriend badly and then chased after her sister. The scene in which he forced Julie to wear the ring was cringeworthy. I wish she hadn’t gotten off the bus, although I would have been okay with them getting together later. Interestingly, I can see why he’s immediately attracted to Julie, but I found her returning the attraction to be unrealistic.

I felt no sadness at Sybil being terminally ill—she was so hateful.

I think a better ending for Amy would have been to grow up and lose her brattiness, not to get together with a nice guy.

 I hated Meredith’s comments to Thad and Patrick, but she didn’t deserve all the hostility before that. I think her and Ben getting together should have been the only couple happy ending, though hints at the other two would have been fine.

 

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On 1/3/2020 at 5:26 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I started out disliking this movie, but now I have to watch it every holiday season to feel whole again.

Me too, but I don't think I've ever disliked it. 

 

On 2/9/2020 at 11:40 AM, slf said:

Well, I'm bi so I make jokes about my sexuality and so does my family. The son had no issue with it. I thought the jokes were lame, personally, but they weren't offensive or anything.

I think something that gets firgotten by people who've watched this kovie is that this wasn't everyone's first time interacting with Meredith. The sister had met her before, which clearly didn't go much better than the Christmas visit, and one of the brithers had spoken to her. Both oretty much described her as stuck-up, which she was. That's literally how her character is written and is the point of the movie. One of the opening scenes is her demanding someone stay at work to send her something even though it's the friday before Christmas ("I don't care if it's Christmas!"). So she was already unpopular with almost half the family. Then immediately upon entering the house and meeting the deaf son she shouts at him. Which isn't just ignorance, though it's also that and rude. By the time they got to the dinner pretty much everyone in the family was annoyed by her, not without reason. Then she went and really put her foot in it at dinner.

Yeah, they were visibly annoyed by her being stuck up and did not try at all to hide it. And each was annoying in his or her own way. I just...cannot find it in me to see Meredith as the injured party. 

I agree with all of the above and can't see Meredith as the injured party either. I think she was pretty awful from the get go as well. 

I will admit though, I'm the oldest sister in a family with 4 kids, I have 1 brother. My mother and I have always had a very rocky relationship to the point that we have spent years not speaking to each other at times. The biggest bane of my existence was always watching my mother fall over herself sucking up to any girl my brother brought home. He was her sweet baby boy and any girl he dated had to be treated like royalty. So I think this movie helps me deal with a lot of my issues with that. 

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But did anybody else have a problem with Everett’s aggressive behavior towards his sister like he was gonna hit her and the whole family was just cool with it?

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On 1/5/2021 at 11:24 PM, Yeahidk said:

But did anybody else have a problem with Everett’s aggressive behavior towards his sister like he was gonna hit her and the whole family was just cool with it?

I've just read every word of this thread looking for exactly this! He was menacing as he  moved toward his sister and said you're all going to pull your fangs out of her and realize she's someone who means a lot to me. (paraphrasing)

wow.

...and I like SJP just fine. I think she gave a lot of life to the series SATC and I liked her in Hocus Pocus and Extreme measures (though that Divorce mess on HBO was unforgivable), but has anyone one else noticed the inordinate amount of  times she's screamed that horrid shrill scream in her various roles? In SATC when she saw a squirrel at Aiden's cabin, when she slipped and fell in the pond in the park walking with Big, in the opening of the ep. "The Catch" when she's practicing the flying trapeze and in this movie being discussed in the car when it slips out of gear,  as well as in the movie Failure To Launch when she sees a chipmunk?

What is up with  all the screaming?

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21 hours ago, T Summer said:

...and I like SJP just fine. I think she gave a lot of life to the series SATC and I liked her in Hocus Pocus and Extreme measures (though that Divorce mess on HBO was unforgivable), but has anyone one else noticed the inordinate amount of  times she's screamed that horrid shrill scream in her various roles? In SATC when she saw a squirrel at Aiden's cabin, when she slipped and fell in the pond in the park walking with Big, in the opening of the ep. "The Catch" when she's practicing the flying trapeze and in this movie being discussed in the car when it slips out of gear,  as well as in the movie Failure To Launch when she sees a chipmunk?

What is up with  all the screaming?

We've ranted about this in the SATC threads ad nauseam, believe me! 😁

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18 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

We've ranted about this in the SATC threads ad nauseam, believe me! 😁

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Of course, there are SATC threads. I didn't even think of that. Please tell me it's  just the series represented here and NOT the movies!

It really seems  that on the episodes where she has an executive producer credit... she's getting that scream in there.

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Yes, that's what we figured.

We talk about the show mostly, but we also talk about the movies.

 

On 6/12/2021 at 4:17 AM, T Summer said:

What is up with  all the screaming?

I think she thinks it's adorable, or someone told her it was once, or something, and then she really went nuts with it.  I kind of liked the show "Divorce" and I (hopefully) don't remember her doing that there... 

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On 2/16/2019 at 7:00 PM, andromeda331 said:

Maybe their the ones who love Meet the Parents which I can't stand either.  I just don't get it. 

I usually feel like a minority of one when it comes to Meet the Parents, because I think it's truly vile. Just unrelievedly nasty, through and through. (Cringe comedy has never been my thing.) I just don't get it, either, but now I don't feel so alone. So, thank you, @andromeda331

And thanks to @Ms Blue Jay for the chance to sort out my attribution.

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I love "Meet the Parents".  That was actually @andromeda331's quote.  😁. Although trust me, I get it.  It took time for the movie to grow on me, and there's definitely some rough parts.

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