Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

[Wouter]

18 minutes ago, SeanC said:

That spoiler sounds super-fake to me.  Even if Grey Worm were enraged by Missandei dying (which I could buy, though going from being justly angry to going on a murderous, civilian-killing rampage seems like a stretch), why would all the Unsullied act that way?

Not to mention the racial optics.

Also, in Friki's leak (also from a trusted source...), Grey Worm is leading a group on unsullied to guard Tyrion, who is accused of betraying the Starks. It all doesn't add up. If those other "trusted spoilers" would be true, surely Grey Worm and the Starks would be enemies by that point.

I suggest we simply watch the coming episodes; they're the only source that we actually can trust. HBO has really done overtime to hide what's coming.

[Chaser]

I always thought one of the themes of GOT is that power corrupts. I figured if Dany went "mad" it would be a statement about power corrupting even the most heroic. If only the bad guys are corrupted, it wouldn't be much of a statement.

[SimoneS]

And there is this. Yeah, I totally believe D&D will be keeping their heads down to avoid the immediate fallout if Jon kills Day.

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We’ll be in an undisclosed location, turning off our phones and opening various bottles,” Weiss said. “At some point, if and when it’s safe to come out again, somebody like [HBO’s ‘Thrones’ publicist Mara Mikialian] will give us a breakdown of what was out there without us having to actually experience it.”

Added Benioff, “I plan to be very drunk and very far from the internet.”

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/game-of-thrones-creators-drunk-far-from-internet-series-finale-airs-1202057274/

[Bannon]

Dany going mad like her ancestors just doesn't work in the 4.5 hours left. So that leaves us with a noninsane Dany taking such a destructive path of questionable morality, even in a time of war, that Jon would react by asserting that he is the rightful heir to the IT, and he forbids it, leading to a deadly encounter between the two. 

I have a hard time conjuring such a well written scenario, given the pieces left on the board. As hideous as it would be for Dany, if someone like Missendei were executed, is it really sane to respond by torching the inhabitants of Flea Bottom, even if it is a public execution where the inhabitants treat it like a festival? I mean, that isn't exactly like firebombing Dresden and Tokyo, in response to the Japanese and Nazis waging unrestricted warfare on civilian populations for years on end. I just don't see a large scale opportunity for civilian slaughter by Cersei, which would cause Dany to wish to kill the general population of KL, over Jon's objection. I dunno, maybe the public torture of Missendei (ick), in which the public is invited to participate, and does to some extent with enthusiasm.

These writers may be walking a pretty perilous tightrope, with regard to ending this story in a way that will be respected, even if it isn't loved.

[GraceK]

Just now, Chaser said:

I always thought one of the themes of GOT is that power corrupts. I figured if Dany went "mad" it would be a statement about power corrupting even the most heroic. If only the bad guys are corrupted, it wouldn't be much of a statement.

So then let power corrupt Jon Snow. The white bread purest angel ever to walk amongst us. No one ever talks about him going mad do they? Talk about your Mary Sue Character, if it wasn’t for Sansa, and Daenerys, and Melisandre he would be dead already. This guy can’t survive for five seconds on his own without a stronger woman bailing him out. But yes, let’s have the series end in him killing the female protagonist. Because of course .

[SimoneS]

I checked TSDF. The leak posted above comes from one of their people so it is legit in that sense. They have a lot of insider sources and are rarely wrong, but they do occasionally get things wrong.

If Grey Worm goes crazy and starts killing people after Missandei is beheaded, I can see the Unsullied following him into battle. No way they let him go to his death alone. There was another leak on FF today that claimed that both Grey Worm and Brienne have death scenes in KL. I will look for it and post it.

Edited May 3, 2019 by SimoneS

[GraceK]

I like how this “ Power corrupts” theme only applies to the women by the way. No one is worried that the Mad Kings Grandson will eventually go insane as King? He’s blood of the Dragon too. And book Jon is certainly no angel. Whatever 🤷🏻‍♀️ We will see. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by GraceK

[Minneapple]

15 minutes ago, ShellsandCheese said:

The optics on this are not good. Suddenly, the foreigners, plenty of whom have brown skin turn,  savage and start murdering random women and children. And we are talking about The Unsullied, who are known for their discipline, etc. 

If you're suddenly worried about racial optics on this show, you're about seven seasons and three episodes too late.

From the comments and this poster's Reddit history, it seems they are careful about their Walking Dead spoilers. They have a disclaimer saying they don't know if the GoT spoilers sre legit. 

[SeanC]

1 minute ago, SimoneS said:

If Grey Worm goes crazy and starts killing people after Missandei is beheaded, I can see the Unsullied following him into battle. No way they let him go to his death alone.

Not letting him be killed isn't the same thing as joining in an indiscriminate massacre.

[Umbelina]

Jon never sought power.

Most of the evil men who did crave power have already been killed off, payed off with mostly gruesome deaths.  The two people most craving power right now happen to be female, because all of the dudes are already dead.

Ayra and Sansa apparently are still alive, so no, not all women are dead.  Actually far more men are dead than women overall, since they didn't really focus on the small folk.

Are those Dothraki on the ships in the next episode photos?  Maybe someone mixed up Dothraki with the unsullied.  That said, once battle starts, it's not all just soldiers killing soldiers, it really never has been.  The innocent have paid dearly throughout this season show/books.

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[Chiny11]

19 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

And there is this. Yeah, I totally believe D&D will be keeping their heads down to avoid the immediate fallout if Jon kills Day.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/game-of-thrones-creators-drunk-far-from-internet-series-finale-airs-1202057274/

This is quite unfortunate.

You know what”s crazy? Even some fans who don’t like Dany are baffled by this “Jon kills Dany” leak.  How in the World are the writers going  to explain this ending?  Seems to me that in their quest to quench their need to shock the fans, they are throwing logic right out of the window. Really sad. 😐

Edited May 3, 2019 by Chiny11

[Umbelina]

2 minutes ago, Chiny11 said:

This is quite unfortunate.

You know what”s crazy? Even some fans who don’t like Dany are baffled by this “Jon kills Dany” leak.  How in the World are the writers going  to explain this ending?  Seems to me that in their quest to quench their need to shock the fans, they are throwing logic right out of the window. Really sad. 😐

GRRM's ending, if the writers are being truthful.

[BadAssRobinArryn]

2 minutes ago, Chiny11 said:

This is quite unfortunate.

You know what”s crazy? Even some fans who don’t like Dany are baffled by this “Jon kills Dany” leak.  How in the World are the writers going  to explain this ending?  Seems to me that in their quest to quench their need to shock the fans, they are throwing logic right out of the window. Really sad. 😐

Nope. I think if it is true (and I'm still not sold) it was planned by GRR Martin all along and probably the third WTF Moment.

[Wouter]

15 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

If Grey Worm goes crazy and starts killing people after Missandei is beheaded, I can see the Unsullied following him into battle. No way they let him go to his death alone. There was another leak on FF today that claimed that both Grey Worm and Brienne have death scenes in KL. I will look for it and post it.

That other leak is now directly contradicting Friki, who claimed Grey Worm is alive in 8x06 for Tyrion's trial.  They can't both be true.

Timing of the leaks also seems suspect. Right after 8x03?

[Bannon]

10 minutes ago, BadAssRobinArryn said:

Nope. I think if it is true (and I'm still not sold) it was planned by GRR Martin all along and probably the third WTF Moment.

Maybe Martin had a thousand pages in mind to get to that outcome in a coherent manner, but I don't see how these writers get there in 4.5 hours of screen time.

Edited May 3, 2019 by Bannon

[aprilbabe]

1 minute ago, Wouter said:

That other leak is now directly contradicting Friki, who claimed Grey Worm is alive in 8x06 for Tyrion's trial.  They can't both be true.

Timing of the leaks also seems suspect. Right after 8x03?

Yea I am not buying any leaks that come out this week. Even if the Dany kills Jon leak is true, the majority of the followup leaks are most likely fleak piggybackers. They know someone who worked on the set? Well, filming ended almost a year ago. They just now found these leaks out and just now posting them? Suspect.

[catrice2]

Well Jacob Anderson did say that his character goes on an "interesting" path this season. I took it to mean he was going to betray Dany or something.  No way minority characters are going to be unscathed in this show.  He has to betray, turn coward, or die protecting his liberator...

[Umbelina]

2 minutes ago, Bannon said:

Maybe Martin had a thousand pages in mind to get to that outcome in a coherent manner, but I don't see how these writers get there in 4.5 hours of screen time.

Well, the show writers don't have to take a thousand pages to have someone wandering around repeating the same sentence over and over again either...  😉  Or backtracking into ancient history for 500 of those pages, adding 4802 new names we will never see or hear about again in the process.

[SimoneS]

Okay, here is the other "leak" I mentioned. I don't want it to be true, but I can't dismiss TSDF leak. I was going to watch episode four, but I am thinking of cutting off HBO tonight. I only get it for GoT because I am not willing to spend the money otherwise.

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Edited May 3, 2019 by SimoneS

[BooBear]

1 minute ago, aprilbabe said:

Yea I am not buying any leaks that come out this week. Even if the Dany kills Jon leak is true, the majority of the followup leaks are most likely fleak piggybackers. They know someone who worked on the set? Well, filming ended almost a year ago. They just now found these leaks out and just now posting them? Suspect.

Me either. All the leaks that have come out have been wrong wrong wrong. I suspect there is a campaign by everyone on the show to put out false information so the fans will be fooled. Who even remembers this week some of the spoilers form last week that turned out to be false. 

[SimoneS]

12 minutes ago, Chiny11 said:

This is quite unfortunate.

You know what”s crazy? Even some fans who don’t like Dany are baffled by this “Jon kills Dany” leak.  How in the World are the writers going  to explain this ending?  Seems to me that in their quest to quench their need to shock the fans, they are throwing logic right out of the window. Really sad. 😐

Maybe the story on the show could have been told differently, but ultimately this is GRRM's story and his ending.

[MarySNJ]

3 hours ago, Umbelina said:

I pretty much agree with that.

GRRM isn't writing love stories with happy endings, and justice for all, he never has, and I doubt he's going to begin now.

I'm actually pretty shocked that anyone who has read the books, or has even watched this show, thinks there is going to be some romantic ending between Jon and Dany as they sit on thrones and rule a contented, united Kingdom.  I mean....what?

Now, D & D might have, after all, that's what makes TV viewers happy, but however shortcutted, and however flawed?  They have said they are doing GRRM's ending here.  So rather than get angry solely at them, at least recognize that they didn't choose how this story ends.  Will GRRM do it more elegantly?  Probably, and probably with more heartbreak as well.  That is, IF he ever finishes (which I doubt) and IF he doesn't petulantly or after long reflection, change his own ending IF he ever gets back to writing the tale instead of reviewing football and writing new books instead of ASOFI. 

ETA, that said?

I kept really really really hoping that Tyrion would find his wife, and that whore Ayra met was her.  So, I'm not immune to romance, or to hope, I just picked an unlikely pair to wish for.

After reading ADWD, I almost decided I was done with AOIAF. It’s just so unceasingly grim. And that’s true of his vampire story Fevre Dream which I couldn’t finish. But the show and other material (WOIAF, Fire and Blood, Dunk & Egg) kept me interested in this world GRRM’s created.

If the ending of the TV series mirrors what GRRM has in mind for the ending of ASOIF, and it goes the way these spoilers are saying, I don’t know if I’ll want to finish the books. I know it won’t be the same in all details but the broad strokes are what I’m concerned about. I know GRRM is all caught up in making a “scouring of the Shire”-like ending, but I want some of our protagonists to have more than just tragic endings. 

[SimoneS]

34 minutes ago, SeanC said:

Not letting him be killed isn't the same thing as joining in an indiscriminate massacre.

What if the people start attacking them? I don't understand how any of this plays out logically in two final episodes. It is all seems crazy that everything can get to that point, but TSDF is rarely wrong.

I was just thinking of the fan that won the prize to watch the finale with Emilia. If that person is a Dany fan, boy is that ending going to ruin that experience of spending time with Emilia! Ha.

Edited May 3, 2019 by SimoneS

[BooBear]

23 hours ago, Eyes High said:

Drogon had big holes in his wings in the 8x04 promo. He can still fly and breathe fire, but I doubt he's long for this world in that condition.

Drogon had holes in his wings after the fighting pits in Mereen. He is still here. 

[aprilbabe]

It could be that GRRM has Jon kill Dany as well, but the why matters. If he kills her because of the PTWP, that would play a lot differently than killing because she's "mad"

[SimoneS]

16 minutes ago, Wouter said:

That other leak is now directly contradicting Friki, who claimed Grey Worm is alive in 8x06 for Tyrion's trial.  They can't both be true.

Timing of the leaks also seems suspect. Right after 8x03?

I agree both leaks can't be true. The timing does seem suspect for the TSDF leak, but it is also possible that more people in the industry have now seen the episodes so word has gotten out. I do think that the ending will be controversial. It is the only explanation for why D&D are going into hiding. 

[MarySNJ]

Just now, aprilbabe said:

It could be that GRRM has Jon kill Dany as well, but the why matters. If he kills her because of the PTWP, that would play a lot differently than killing because she's "mad"

Agreed, and it’ll also make a difference what their relationship is like prior to the killing. Book Jon is, or will be post-resurrection, a darker character than TV Jon. 

There’s just nothing I can think of that would make TV Jon murdering Dany make any kind of sense. Aaaaand... I just don’t want that to happen. 

[Umbelina]

CGI work is expensive, they aren't going to "fake" that, so if the spoilers are coming from the CGI (or other tech people, as I said in an earlier post, thousands are involved in many cases) those are more reliable than something an extra saw, which could be easily and cheaply faked.

It would also explain why the leaks are coming out later, long after filming has stopped.

25 minutes ago, MarySNJ said:

After reading ADWD, I almost decided I was done with AOIAF. It’s just so unceasingly grim. And that’s true of his vampire story Fevre Dream which I couldn’t finish. But the show and other material (WOIAF, Fire and Blood, Dunk & Egg) kept me interested in this world GRRM’s created.

If the ending of the TV series mirrors what GRRM has in mind for the ending of ASOIF, and it goes the way these spoilers are saying, I don’t know if I’ll want to finish the books. I know it won’t be the same in all details but the broad strokes are what I’m concerned about. I know GRRM is all caught up in making a “scouring of the Shire”-like ending, but I want some of our protagonists to have more than just tragic endings. 

Yeah, I'm pretty much done with him as well.  I detested the split books, and his tangents that seemed self indulgent and were annoying.

I prefer writers who actually finish a series of books.

That said, will I read the last two or three if they ever come out?  Maybe, probably not though, synopsis is plenty.  He's far too grim for me, it's like wading through infected stinking piles or chopped up internal organs too much of the time.  I also hate his style, just about the time I'm finally interested in a tale he's telling, with another 876 names and histories involved?  New chapter and I'm back to a story he started to tell a thousand pages ago.  Last book I painstakingly went through and marked chapters that ran in order, and read the book that way.  FAR less annoying.

If he heads off to Skagos and Rinkon though, I probably won't be able to resist.  I'm fascinated by the first men and that island.

For those that haven't read him?  There WILL be no "happy ending" for someone like Dany, which is why I do tend to believe the stories.  She's much too Disney Princess Heroine for his kind of tale.

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[GraceK]

One other point:: 

Tyrion in the books is much more villainous character. He wants to rape and murder Cersei, and kill Jaime as well. He has also raped a Slave. Yet according to these leaks, Tyrion lives to be on a council with Bran?

so, GRRMS ending includes his Tyrion, and Bronn on a ruling council? Yeah ok. 

But Dany is evil and is killed by Jon? Sure Jan. 

The amoral sellsword and murderer/rapist are the ones best to govern Westeros. I see. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by GraceK

[Umbelina]

Tyrion is a troubled guy, but a pretty good guy in the books.  ???  I mean, in relation to the other characters he's practically wonderful.

Where is this "Dany is evil" stuff coming from?  I'm not even convinced she goes completely mad.  I do think her temper could cause her to lose control and become a massive danger though, and apparently many thing will happen that could easily cause that.

Aside from everything else, Westeros ending up with another Targerean on the throne seems like a huge waste of several thousand pages of work.  It didn't work out well the first time.

I really hope NO one is on the throne, that there isn't even a throne.  If there is a leader, I hope whatever brats they have aren't automatically to lead after them.  I hate that shit.

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[Spartan Girl]

I just want this to be over already...

[GraceK]

7 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

For those that haven't read him?  There WILL be no "happy ending" for someone like Dany, which is why I do tend to believe the stories.  She's much too Disney Princess Heroine for his kind of tale.

This doesn’t make any sense. She’s too much of a hero for a happy ending? So she has to be reduced to a stereotypical evil queen in a fairy tale instead? 😑

And Jon doesn’t fit the Disney prince description to a T? Handsome, noble, strong, secret prince in hiding, perfect, cannot tell a lie, flowing hair, magical sword, magical pets...he’s the epitome of a Disney prince. A sorcererss even brought him back to life. I mean, I’m surprised birds don’t sing around him.

Edited May 3, 2019 by GraceK

[tangerine95]

6 minutes ago, GraceK said:

One other point:: 

Tyrion in the books is much more villainous character. He wants to rape and murder Cersei, and kill Jaime as well. He has also raped a Slave. Yet according to these leaks, Tyrion lives to be on a council with Bran?

so, GRRMS ending includes his Tyrion, and Bronn on a ruling council? Yeah ok. 

But Dany is evil and is killed by Jon? Sure Jan. 

The amoral sellsword and murderer/rapist are the ones best to govern Westeros. I see. 

Which leak is that?I'm getting so confused lol

[Spartan Girl]

As I read leaks, whether they're fake or not, a certain Netflix show theme song is stuck in my head:

Theres no happy ending, not here and not now,

This tale is all sorrows and woes.

You'd think the writers wouldn't screw all their fans

But that's not how the story goes...

[SeanC]

5 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Jamie was a hero for killing a King, look where that got him.

Jon never has wanted power, or the throne. 

Jaime got about what he could expect for not telling anybody why he killed Aerys.  His bad reputation is wholly due to his own pride.

Book Jon absolutely is ambitious and wants power and glory.

[BooBear]

4 minutes ago, nikma said:

Power corrupts. It can't corrupt Jon because he was never written as power-hungry. 

There is no way that GOT stands for the idea that power corrupts. Cersi never had any power until now and she lusted after it for years. Robert had all the power in the world and cared more about shagging. Ned was the hand of the king and his lack of respect for power got him killed. This show stands for the proposition that most people are deeply flawed for their various and sundry reasons. Jon is never written as corrupted by power because he is never written that way and the fandom doesn't demand it. When Dany kills two people she is the mad queen. When Jon does it... its ok cause.... its Jon. 

[Umbelina]

1 minute ago, SeanC said:

Jaime got about what he could expect for not telling anybody why he killed Aerys.  His bad reputation is wholly due to his own pride.

Book Jon absolutely is ambitious and wants power and glory.

Wow about your opinion of why Jamie didn't tell, and double wow that you see Jon as wanting power.

[nikma]

The fact that power corrupts not only people who are already evil like Cersei, Euron, Tywin or LF, but it can corrupt even someone good who did great things is powerful message IMO.

Iron Throne is GRRM's version of the Ring of Power. And at the end even Frodo was corrupted.

Dany will never be villain. She did too many great things. But power was always important dilemma of her character. The story needs to resolve this in some way. Just like Tyrion's relationship with his family was important part of his characters. At the end both of them will be forced to choose who they really are.

[GraceK]

4 minutes ago, SeanC said:

Book Jon absolutely is ambitious and wants power and glory.

Thank you !! Show Jon has been so whitewashed, it’s easy to forget how ambitious and intelligent BookJon is. And what a bad temper he also has. 

[nikma]

And I would really love GOT to be the first mainstream fantasy with unconventional ending. Death of NK this early could be good start.

If I was writer of this show I would kill not only Dany and Tyrion, but Jaime, Cersei and Jon as well. Lol

I don't think this will happen ofc, but I could see how deaths of all of them could be logical way to end their characters, and not to be sonething done only for shock value.

Edited May 4, 2019 by nikma

[Umbelina]

31 minutes ago, tangerine95 said:

Which leak is that?I'm getting so confused lol

It's this one, I couldn't quote the post, since this is quoted and would disappear if I did.  It's on page 212 of this thread.

Hello. Come back to this post after the episode airs next week.

- Euron's fleet takes down Rhaegal.

- Jaime betrays the North. Missandei is captured.

- Dany's army captures Jaime. Brienne tries to talk to him but he refuses.

- Sansa tells Tyrion about Jon's lineage. Tyrion tells Varys.

- Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler.

- Cersei has Missandei executed.

- Dany has Varys executed. Dany assaults King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell.

- Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses.

- Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city.

- King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet.

- The Hound fights his brother. They both die.

- Jaime fights Euron and kills him, but Jaime is mortally wounded.

- Jaime makes it to Cersei and they die together.

- Dany is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset.

- Dany has Tyrion arrested to be executed for freeing Jaime.

- Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because his lineage makes him a threat to Dany's rule.

- Jon tries to talk to Dany but she justifies her actions.

- Jon pledges himself to Dany but then stabs her, then surrenders himself.

A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end.

In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Arya leaves. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn.

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[SeanC]

13 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Wow about your opinion of why Jamie didn't tell, and double wow that you see Jon as wanting power.

In what world is "by what right does the wolf judge the lion?" not about pride?  Ned came in and found Jaime looking super-guilty, and Jaime just decided to not tell anyone because he's a badass antihero destined to be misunderstood.  If you refuse to explain what happened, you can't complain that people don't recognize your good deeds.

Jon wanting power is straightforward canon.  Most obviously when he's offered Winterfell in ASOS.  And his desire for glory is evident from the beginning; that's why he's initially contemptuous of being named a steward and is then assuaged by being told that he's being groomed for a leadership position.

[Umbelina]

2 minutes ago, SeanC said:

In what world is "by what right does the wolf judge the lion?" not about pride?  Ned came in and found Jaime looking super-guilty, and Jaime just decided to not tell anyone because he's a badass antihero destined to be misunderstood.  If you refuse to explain what happened, you can't complain that people don't recognize your good deeds.

Jon wanting power is straightforward canon.  Most obviously when he's offered Winterfell in ASOS.  And his desire for glory is evident from the beginning; that's why he's initially contemptuous of being named a steward and is then assuaged by being told that he's being groomed for a leadership position.

I think both men are far more complex that that.

Either way, if these spoilers are true, Jaime dies and Jon is in exile, so they will pay as well.

[tangerine95]

7 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

It's this one, I couldn't quote the post, since this is quoted and would disappear if I did.  It's on page 212 of this thread.

Hello. Come back to this post after the episode airs next week.

- Euron's fleet takes down Rhaegal.

- Jaime betrays the North. Missandei is captured.

- Dany's army captures Jaime. Brienne tries to talk to him but he refuses.

- Sansa tells Tyrion about Jon's lineage. Tyrion tells Varys.

- Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler.

- Cersei has Missandei executed.

- Dany has Varys executed. Dany assaults King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell.

- Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses.

- Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city.

- King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet.

- The Hound fights his brother. They both die.

- Jaime fights Euron and kills him, but Jaime is mortally wounded.

- Jaime makes it to Cersei and they die together.

- Dany is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset.

- Dany has Tyrion arrested to be executed for freeing Jaime.

- Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because his lineage makes him a threat to Dany's rule.

- Jon tries to talk to Dany but she justifies her actions.

- Jon pledges himself to Dany but then stabs her, then surrenders himself.

A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end.

In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Arya leaves. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn.

Thanks for finding it.Wow that's just about the worst ending I can imagine.I guess I'll watch ep 4 and if I see it going in this direction I'll have to somehow suppress all memory of having watched GoT 😂

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[Umbelina]

5 minutes ago, tangerine95 said:

Thanks for finding it.Wow that's just about the worst ending I can imagine.I guess I'll watch ep 4 and if I see it going in this direction I'll have to somehow suppress all memory of having watched GoT 😂

You're welcome!

These spoilers could all be BS, but I kind of like some of them, at least as a book ending.  I like the dragon burning down the throne, for example.  I LOVE not having a King or Queen, I'm pleased with Sansa getting Winterfell.

I think the Dragons really did all have to die, without a NK, it doesn't fit the mythology to still have dragons.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Umbelina

[SeanC]

13 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

It's this one, I couldn't quote the post, since this is quoted and would disappear if I did.  It's on page 212 of this thread.

Hello. Come back to this post after the episode airs next week.

- Euron's fleet takes down Rhaegal.

- Jaime betrays the North. Missandei is captured.

- Dany's army captures Jaime. Brienne tries to talk to him but he refuses.

- Sansa tells Tyrion about Jon's lineage. Tyrion tells Varys.

- Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler.

- Cersei has Missandei executed.

- Dany has Varys executed. Dany assaults King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell.

- Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses.

- Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city.

- King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet.

- The Hound fights his brother. They both die.

- Jaime fights Euron and kills him, but Jaime is mortally wounded.

- Jaime makes it to Cersei and they die together.

- Dany is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset.

- Dany has Tyrion arrested to be executed for freeing Jaime.

- Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because his lineage makes him a threat to Dany's rule.

- Jon tries to talk to Dany but she justifies her actions.

- Jon pledges himself to Dany but then stabs her, then surrenders himself.

A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end.

In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Arya leaves. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn.

Okay, so Jaime betrays the alliance, gets Missandei killed, and then Tyrion frees him and they go fight Euron for some reason, and then Dany quite rightly has Tyrion arrested for this betrayal (as well as executing Varys for betraying her) and somehow this is a sign that Jon should kill her?  Why, exactly?  Not that there hasn't been stupid stuff in the show, but this is too dumb to be believed without an actual verifiable track record.

And the Night's Watch is not going to exist anymore, so Jon is not taking the black.

9 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I think both men are far more complex that that.

Nothing I said there is incompatible with complexity.  A Jon who has no ambitions is less complex than one who is.

Edited May 4, 2019 by SeanC

[Stallion12]

5 minutes ago, tangerine95 said:

Thanks for finding it.Wow that's just about the worst ending I can imagine.I guess I'll watch ep 4 and if I see it going in this direction I'll have to somehow suppress all memory of having watched GoT 😂

That's how I feel about it too. What doesn't make sense is want being a Gillian killing villains, and job taking the black. The night king is gone, no need for the nights watch.

[Umbelina]

Maybe there is a reason for Jon to take the black, aside from the obvious, that's the way to not be on trial for murder and be killed.

Maybe Jon just heads north to be with the free folk, and wears his black stuff because it's warm?  Maybe he wants to be a hermit?  Maybe they think they should guard the northern border again just in case Winter isn't completely over.  Who knows?

That one could easily be explained many ways. 

Again, not saying all of those are true, just reposted it because it was requested.

In all of these spoilers though?  The same people keep dying in similar ways.

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clarity

[YaddaYadda]

So what now? Jon is going to recreate an organization that has no reason to exist anymore just so that he can take the black? Maybe he should rebuild the Wall to keep himself busy while he's at it.

Whoever came up with this "Jon takes the black" clearly doesn't grasp what the NW or the Wall was about.

And Bronn is now part of a ruling committee? That's another character who outlived his usefulness on the show. If there's a character who should have been done 2-3 seasons ago, it's him.

Edited May 4, 2019 by YaddaYadda

[magdalene]

I am still not buying what these leakers are selling. However, no matter how hard I try - I cannot picture Jon living happily ever after in married bliss with his aunt.

And it is true that GRRM is not famous for writing happy endings.

And Benioff and Weiss wanting to hide from fans does not exactly inspire me with confidence that I will be left a happy fan.

And if these spoilers are true I wish Jaime had died in the battle against the dead.  It's going to suck watching him back with Cersei.

The one thing I like is Davos surviving and in a position of power and respect at the end.