S04.E02: I Got You Abe

[OnceSane]

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Sabrina's plan of having a home birth is in danger when medical concerns are revealed; Jeremiah and Carmela's new homeowner stress begins to take a toll on their marriage; Rebecca continues to take GED classes; Mary and Abe journey to Florida.

[sainte-chapelle]

Mary is the worst, stop following your son around and get your own friends/life!

[JocelynCavanaugh]

19 minutes ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Mary is the worst, stop following your son around and get your own friends/life!

I know it's mean but I'm really sick of looking at her in that fugly getup. She's living English now. If you can drive a Trans Am, you can put in a call to Clinton, Stacy, Ted, and Carmindy and do something about that... situation. I'd love to see a WNTW revival/Amish crossover. 

I hope Abe will STFU and let Reebecca do something with her life. She's a piece of work sometimes but I appreciate that she's trying. 

[sainte-chapelle]

I don't Blane Rebecca for cutting Sabrina out of her life, she has her own kids to think of and Abe needs to encourage her education. What will she do if f something ever happened to him??  I am also sick of Mary and her get up. I think she does it on purpose to play into the whole "look at what a coolamish lady I am doing shots and driving a Trans Am." please.

[TurtlePower]

Did Sabrina actually say it was "crap" that she had to do what was best for her child regarding the recommendation of a hospital birth versus a home birth? I replayed it and that's what it sounded like to me.

The real Sabrina came out in that comment. So done feeling any empathy for her. 

[Willowsmom]

1 hour ago, TurtlePower said:

Did Sabrina actually say it was "crap" that she had to do what was best for her child regarding the recommendation of a hospital birth versus a home birth? I replayed it and that's what it sounded like to me.

The real Sabrina came out in that comment. So done feeling any empathy for her. 

That's what she said alright. I also loved the "my medication is from a doctor, it can't hurt the baby" .  of course methadone is bad for a foetus, and of course the baby will go through withdrawals . I do not believe for one second that she wasn't warned before she ever got pregnant.

[TurtlePower]

26 minutes ago, Willowsmom said:

That's what she said alright. I also loved the "my medication is from a doctor, it can't hurt the baby" .  of course methadone is bad for a foetus, and of course the baby will go through withdrawals . I do not believe for one second that she wasn't warned before she ever got pregnant.

What a train wreck. She definitely should not have custody of her kids, especially after those comments (which are now broadcast for the world to replay over and over).

[ShaNaeNae]

I'm so sick of Sabrina saying sexual words or acting stupid to try and be cute.  It makes you look like an idiot.  No dummy, Harry doesn't have super sperm.  That's what happens when you have sex if you don't take precautions.  I'm guessing she's on Suboxone for heroin addiction.  

Mary is the Kody Brown of the Amish world.  The "I love attention that comes from shocking people!"  Give it a rest already Mary.  

I also have to hand it to Reeeebecca.  Get as much education as you want.  Does not make you less of a mother. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Sabrina is just not up for parenting her kids.  I really wish that she would accept it and try to put them first and make it possible for them to get a good, stable home.  They could even be placed together.  I just don't see that she is going to be able to really provide what they need, no matter how much help she gets.  

I do have empathy for Jeremiah's wife with her medical condition, but, honestly.....she KNEW how he was before they got married.  She even complained about it, but, she went right ahead, with full knowledge of how he was.  It really causes me to not feel sorry for her.  I think the show would be better if she and Jeremiah were cut out of the show. 

Mary doesn't bother me as much as she does most others. I'm not sure why.  I kind of get some laughs from her.  I did like it when he told Sabrina to stop crying so much.  lol 

I think that Mary is really stuck in the past.  She seems very fond of her wilder days.  Reliving them seems to be what she lives for now.  

I don't recall them saying what happened to Mary's daughter who was on last season?  Have they given an explanation as to where she is?

Edited May 8, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[bichonblitz]

Why is Mary's husband putting up with her shit? I can't imagine any Amish man is going to put up with his wife gambling, driving a car, going to Florida on her own, etc etc. What gives with that? Do they even live together? 

I was shocked to hear Mary's story of running away from home when she was young and getting pregnant. Then she goes home and her family takes care of her and the baby. What happened to being shunned? What happened to the baby? Did Mary and Chester raise the baby? Was the baby one of the 7 kids she has?  None of what Mary says or does makes any sense to me. 

Sabrina still acts and sounds like a drug addict. 

I like Rebecca. For someone that doesn't even have an 8th grade education she comes off as fairly intelligent to me. She explains herself well. She is also perceptive and can see people for the assholes they really are. That includes her husband. 

[Evil Queen]

6 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

Did Sabrina actually say it was "crap" that she had to do what was best for her child regarding the recommendation of a hospital birth versus a home birth? I replayed it and that's what it sounded like to me.

The real Sabrina came out in that comment. So done feeling any empathy for her. 

4 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

What a train wreck. She definitely should not have custody of her kids, especially after those comments (which are now broadcast for the world to replay over and over).

Won't watch it until next week but WOW. She really proved she doesn't deserve to raise them. She shows she can't put the best interest of her kids first to many times now. 

 

32 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I do have empathy for Jeremiah's wife with her medical condition, but, honestly.....she KNEW how he was before they got married.  She even complained about it, but, she went right ahead, with full knowledge of how he was.  It really causes me to not feel sorry for her.  I think the show would be better if she and Jeremiah were cut out of the show. 

I think she wanted her 15 mins of fame and thought it would be easy enough not really thinking it through on what his past is and how he hasn't changed. 

[JocelynCavanaugh]

23 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

I was shocked to hear Mary's story of running away from home when she was young and getting pregnant. Then she goes home and her family takes care of her and the baby. What happened to being shunned? What happened to the baby? Did Mary and Chester raise the baby? Was the baby one of the 7 kids she has?  None of what Mary says or does makes any sense to me. 

Abe said something about knowing his oldest brother was only a half-sibling, so I think the family was at least somewhat aware. He didn't specify how long he'd known, but the way it was phrased implied that it wasn't recent.

[SunnyBeBe]

Right.  It appears that Mary did get redemption when she returned home pregnant.  She had a child and later married an Amish man and lived in the Amish sect.  So, it seems they did overlook her past indiscretions.  Sabrina seems to think that that would not happen in the Mennonite community.  

I wish that Rebecca had a better Math teacher.  I remember how I memorized my multiplication tables.  There is a method to learning them.  You just can't look at the question and figure it out.  It comes from memorizing them.  It seemed that teacher did't really explain that to Rebecca.  

Edited May 8, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[leighroda]

I agree about Mary still dressing Amish, it serves no purpose at this point other than garnering attention. At first I gave her a slight pass (although I still thought it was dumb) because habits die hard, but she spits in the face of every other Amish tradition, but it's still important to cover her head? I'm also tired of the wild child act, maybe act is a bad word to use, because maybe she really is going crazy, but she's not a teenager.

[Cabarb]

I am SO not taking up for Sabrina because I think both of her babies should be taken away. She is obviously not clean and sober and has no business having babies in her care. It definitely sounded like she said it's crap that she has to do what's best for the baby so I turned my closed captions on, and according to that, she said "but."  I think it's crap BUT I have to do what's best for the baby."  

Oh and she needs to take that damn lacy napkin thing off her head.  She looks ridiculous. 

[TurtlePower]

1 hour ago, Cabarb said:

I am SO not taking up for Sabrina because I think both of her babies should be taken away. She is obviously not clean and sober and has no business having babies in her care. It definitely sounded like she said it's crap that she has to do what's best for the baby so I turned my closed captions on, and according to that, she said "but."  I think it's crap BUT I have to do what's best for the baby."  

Oh and she needs to take that damn lacy napkin thing off her head.  She looks ridiculous. 

I suspect it's all for show and that she thinks it will improve her tarnished reputation. Deep down she doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself, as the comments about her unborn child's well-being indicate. 

Sabrina hasn't hit her rock bottom yet apparently. 

[realityobserver]

Every time one of these folks starts to tell about their current misfortune or experience, within a sentence or two they are telling us how the Amish would or would not deal with it. Geez, get over it already, we know you used to be Amish and now you're not, is it really necessary to remind everyone all the time ? Within a minute of meeting someone, they start yapping about how they were Amish and now they are not, and of course everyone is sooo interested in their story. Oh well...

So Mary buys a car, Sabrina thinks that she can have a baby incognito, yet still tell a national audience on TV her secret plan (I won't tell anyone), Abe and Rebecca need a shrink and Jeremiah is being the biggest buzzkill on the planet earth (I'm going to start calling him Buzz).

So Buzz and the cursed cult woman have a hard time with the 'paid extra' neighbor who manages to come by and agrees to be filmed harassing the two idiots. Then Buzz starts hovering around the contractors till they leave pissed off, enter Carmela and within a minute she is off to town leaving Buzz slack jawed and simmering...

Sabrina is fast forward material, listening to her whine on and on about herself makes my teeth ache...

Can Rebecca act any more stupid ? "Mixing numbers and letters together is crazy!". Uh, no, acting like a moronic ex-Amish and getting paid to do it is pretty crazy when you actually think about it... 

Mary, Mary, Mary... what are you gonna do next...

till next week...

[Snarklepuss]

I assumed Mary was forgiven for having her first child because it happened during "Rumspringa" (sp) or whatever that time is that adolescent Amish are encouraged to go out into the world and live among the "English".

Mary is still putting on the act of being the humble little Amish woman, which we all know she is not.  She told the therapist (who looked like he could be her brother) that she didn't like having too much money, and liked to give her money to people who needed it - Oh, so that's why she's on a TV show and buying a vintage Trans. Am., then!  How stupid of me not to see it all along!  I suppose she thinks the casino is a worthy cause for all her extra money!  I don't blame Rebecca for her attitude about the gambling.  They really have addictive personalities in that family.  It's amazing how these personal flaws only come out when they leave the Amish.  It's like they're little kids that need external supervision or they go wild.  I suppose they never really grew up in that way to internalize a certain self restraint since it was always imposed upon them from the outside.

So we finally see Katie Ann again.  She seems to have more sense than the rest of her family, too bad she lost her job.

Sabrina is such a train wreck, it pains me to see her having yet another child when it's doubtful that she can even handle one much less two children.  I agree that she is still acting like she's on drugs but wouldn't she be tested for that as a part of her case?  I can't imagine any judge would consider giving her back her daughter if there's any question about her being clean.  I just think Sabrina is lost.  I think the only structure she knew in life was as a Mennonite and now that she's out in the world she has no compass to guide her.  I think this guy she's involved with is bad and she is unfortunately still under his influence.  She acts depressed and mental.  There is more going on there than drugs, IMO.  She has a habit of asking questions like a little kid, like she did with that gay friend.  She has no filter with that stuff.  It's embarrassing in an adult woman.

I would rarely say this, but I think Carmella needs spiritual counseling.  She needs to be deprogrammed from that cult.  They messed with her head.  That's how they scare people into staying, by making them think that if they leave something bad will happen to them.  I don't think she and Jeremiah are going to last.

Rebecca is the only one with any sense in that group.  I am beginning to understand why she is sometimes such a bitch.  I'd be too if I were around all that.  Good for her for wanting an education but too bad she has so much to overcome to get anywhere with it.

[FairyDusted]

So is Andrew Mary's first son or is there another?  Hell I never knew about Esther until she showed up in NYC. 

Very random:  My nephew live steams on his long hauls and tonight he said he hung out with some of the Smuckers clan. I can't wait to find out who! 

[SunnyBeBe]

I don't really mind that the cast talks about being Amish, recounts their lives and even Mary dressing that way.  The reason is that this tv show likely pays them much more money than they could ever earn doing a regular job.  With little education, they would likely make no more than minimum wage. It's difficult to run a household on that.  I also don't know how selling donuts on the road provides much of a living.  I know that truck driving pays pretty well, but, that puts Abe on the road a lot and it may not be a long term job that he can hold, if he wants to be at home much.  I have known a family for years who had the dad, then adult son drive trucks.  They make good, but, their family life always suffered, because they are gone so much.  It's definitely a sacrifice the family has to make.  Even with that income, it's likely that TLC pays Abe three times what he makes per year truck driving.  

Plus, I think that I have learned a lot about the Amish and what happens when people leave.  IMO, Kate, Abe, Jeremiah, etc.  have shown that transition.  Of course, maybe, it's time to find a new cast, so we can see how others fared in their journey from the Amish.  

[beeziebee]

This show is full of laughs.  Were it not a faux reality show, I'd think it were a comedy!  

First, there's the Tupperware Showdown.  I was only listening to the TV and not actively watching, but when I heard the local Tupperware saleslady's voice through that harmonizer, I thought I inadvertently changed channels to Ru Paul's Drag Race.  

And next Sabrina states that she is anxious for the ultrasound because she wants to know "whether or not she is going to have a boy or a girl".  Is there a third option?  Ok, technically the child could be gender indeterminate, but I'm not thinking Sabrina is well schooled on that topic.

Finally, in the "All About Mary" part of the show, Mary goes on and on about what a handsome, "good lookin' man" her Chester is.  Right at that point he whips off his tinted glasses and you can see how he has a pretty significant case of lazy eye.  Okay, I'm probably going to hell for even bringing it up, but it was laugh out loud funny.  I'm just guessing that the "stars" of this little production have no idea how many laughs the producers edit for at their expense.

Edited May 9, 2017 by beeziebee

[Willowsmom]

Many ex-Amish work in construction which pays far better  than minimum wage.

I think Abe doesn't want Rebecca to be better educated than he is. It may scare him that she will become dissatisfied and leave, she's left a husband

[realityobserver]

40 minutes ago, beeziebee said:

First, there's the Tupperware Showdown.

The Great 2017 South Central Pennsylvania Tupperware Territorial War !   IT'S ON !!!! 

[Barb23]

On 5/8/2017 at 4:43 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Right.  It appears that Mary did get redemption when she returned home pregnant.  She had a child and later married an Amish man and lived in the Amish sect.  So, it seems they did overlook her past indiscretions.  Sabrina seems to think that that would not happen in the Mennonite community.  

I wish that Rebecca had a better Math teacher.  I remember how I memorized my multiplication tables.  There is a method to learning them.  You just can't look at the question and figure it out.  It comes from memorizing them.  It seemed that teacher did't really explain that to Rebecca.  

I agree that Rebecca needs a better tutor.  How is she learning times table by guessing at answers on a white board? She has already admitted she barely knows a thing about math.  Shouldn't he be sitting with her explaining things?  Or even better, why can't she do it on her own on the computer? 

When Mary was first showing Abe the storage area where the Amish hide things, I was expecting a Hoarders type room full of QVC stuff not a car.  That really surprised me. 

[gonecrackers]

I really don't like Mary anymore. She's just too over the top with her 'look at the old Amish lady do this' for shock value story lines that are just getting more stupid. Bringing cookies to the gym? Yeah, okay. Driving a Trans Am? In her Amish garb of course - whatever. The Tupperware story line is comedic. If the lady really wanted her business around town there why fuzz her face? More likely she works for production & they can't have her recognized.

I have to FF past Jeremiah & Carmela as I find them both so annoying.

It's doubtful to me that Sabrina's doctor would've even sent records to a midwife knowing the meds she on & that home birth was not an option. When Sabrina talks she sounds rather dim. She can find a good nitch for herself & it doesn't have to be with the Mennonites necessarily. But she has to try; she seems drawn to things/people that are bad for her.

Lawyers & doctors don't have 'super sperm'?  Only wife beater Harry?  Gee he must be a special one Sabrina...

[realityobserver]

[ClareWalks]

Not watching, so forgive my ignorance, but seriously, Sabrina wants a home birth? What the fuck? I remember when she had Oakley, she talked with Rebecca about how amazing the epidural was. No way do I believe Sabrina is up for an unmedicated home birth. Hell, she needs drugs just to get through *daily life,* let alone the pain of childbirth. And I am not saying this to demean women who get epidurals, hell, I wanted a natural birth and ended up getting the epidural myself. But I sure as hell wouldn't then plan to go it at home with no drug option at all. Women who have gotten epidurals should know better that sometimes shit happens and you kinda need it. It's not like Sabrina is a Duggar woman who has been bred for centuries to pop out dozens of children in their own living rooms like it ain't no thang.

[Willowsmom]

Sabrina is afraid Children and Family services will snatch the new baby at birth. She thinks a home birth will slow that down or as she says " They'll see my with the baby and know I can take care of her."

[TurtlePower]

14 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

Sabrina is afraid Children and Family services will snatch the new baby at birth. She thinks a home birth will slow that down or as she says " They'll see my with the baby and know I can take care of her."

She should be. Especially given her comment that it's "crap" she has to put the welfare of her child first and consider a hospital birth. 

[ClareWalks]

Why stop there, Sabrina? Just deliver the baby yourself! And don't get a birth certificate or social security number for it! And don't leave your home for 18 years or invite anyone over! That baby can be with you forever, yaaaaay! o_O

[Evil Queen]

On 5/12/2017 at 4:45 PM, ClareWalks said:

Not watching, so forgive my ignorance, but seriously, Sabrina wants a home birth? What the fuck? I remember when she had Oakley, she talked with Rebecca about how amazing the epidural was. No way do I believe Sabrina is up for an unmedicated home birth. Hell, she needs drugs just to get through *daily life,* let alone the pain of childbirth. And I am not saying this to demean women who get epidurals, hell, I wanted a natural birth and ended up getting the epidural myself. But I sure as hell wouldn't then plan to go it at home with no drug option at all. Women who have gotten epidurals should know better that sometimes shit happens and you kinda need it. It's not like Sabrina is a Duggar woman who has been bred for centuries to pop out dozens of children in their own living rooms like it ain't no thang.

I refused the epidural with all 3 of my kids. I didn't want anything shoved in my back like that. I did get some pain meds but those help a little with the pain but not a ton. Mind you my 2nd one was face up so that was killer pain on my back pushing him out (sorry for the TMI). I was basically bugged by a couple nurses on getting that epi done too and the last one was annoying as can be about it too. Like I was some freak for not wanting it. I agree with you about Sabrina. If she had it the first time that way and she has to do drugs as she does to deal with life there is no way in hell she could have a child without it.

On 5/12/2017 at 6:31 PM, Willowsmom said:

Sabrina is afraid Children and Family services will snatch the new baby at birth. She thinks a home birth will slow that down or as she says " They'll see my with the baby and know I can take care of her."

On 5/13/2017 at 2:15 PM, ClareWalks said:

Why stop there, Sabrina? Just deliver the baby yourself! And don't get a birth certificate or social security number for it! And don't leave your home for 18 years or invite anyone over! That baby can be with you forever, yaaaaay! o_O

Sabrina is just stupid. Its so unreal how she blabs this all to a camera as she is. Does she not think that child services didn't know one way or another that she was pregnant from the last season? You can't tell me they weren't eyeing her with that or didn't know she was from having to deal with her because of Oakley. Which in turn they would totally be watching her and waiting to see what happens with the one on the way. If she was thinking she would come off like a good mom with this one or hide the baby she is so mistaken. Sadly I don't think most of her crap is scripted either but her being herself. 

[Annb67]

May I ask what is wrong with Carmela. She....talks....like....a....robot. Also Sabrina I think is just constantly stoned

[Evil Queen]

1 hour ago, Annb67 said:

May I ask what is wrong with Carmela. She....talks....like....a....robot. Also Sabrina I think is just constantly stoned

She would probably say in her robot like talk that its the cults fault she talks as she does because of the curse and brainwashing. *rollseyes*

I said it last season too about Sabrina being high. I haven't had the chance to watch last week or tonight's shows yet but sadly I wouldn't be surprised if she was using while pregnant. I would hope not though for the baby's sake but considering everything one just never knows with addicts sadly. 

[gonecrackers]

Carmela does blame everything that goes wrong in her life on the cult - no personal responsibility needed in her life, ever.

I doubt Sabrina is high because her doctors would pick up on that, & she's on a med for heroin addicts to keep her off, presumably. Anyone on a med would be monitored. She'd also lose that kiddo pronto after birth if baby's in withdrawal.

Sabrina speaks like she's emotionally stunted. I know they've said here she had good parents, but, I wonder about something having happened to have her go off the rails so much in her adult life, maybe not at home, but with someone, somewhere.

Edited May 15, 2017 by gonecrackers
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[TurtlePower]

46 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

Carmela does blame everything that goes wrong in her life on the cult - no personal responsibility needed in her life, ever.

I doubt Sabrina is high because her doctors would pick up on that, & she's on a med for heroin addicts to keep her off, presumably. Anyone on a med would be monitored. She'd also lose that kiddo pronto after birth if baby's in withdrawal.

Sabrina speaks like she's emotionally stunted. I know they've said here she had good parents, but, I wonder about something having happened to have her go off the rails so much in her adult life, maybe not at home, but with someone, somewhere.

She does speak like that. Did she sound like that in the older episodes? 

Anyways, I'm so over Sabrina at this point. I suspect she's gone from being dependent on heroin to being dependent on methadone because she doesn't want to quit it. She's exposing her unborn child to that drug. What she needs is several months at a rehab facility "Intervention" style. 

[bichonblitz]

I think I must have missed a season because there are things I don't have a clue about. Maybe some of you can answer for me:

How old is Carmela that she is a grandma and has to have IVF to get pregnant? What is the medical condition that she has? 

Sabrina- what was the final straw that got Oakley taken away from her for good? What is the backstory on her baby daddy? Have we ever seen him on camera? 

Why do Abe and Rebecca hate Sabrina so much?

When did the gay friend arrive on the scene? He seems like a really nice guy. 

Wow, the flashbacks of Sabrina before the drug and alchohol addiction to now is startling. 

[Willowsmom]

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I think I must have missed a season because there are things I don't have a clue about. Maybe some of you can answer for me:

How old is Carmela that she is a grandma and has to have IVF to get pregnant? What is the medical condition that she has? 

Sabrina- what was the final straw that got Oakley taken away from her for good? What is the backstory on her baby daddy? Have we ever seen him on camera? 

Why do Abe and Rebecca hate Sabrina so much?

When did the gay friend arrive on the scene? He seems like a really nice guy. 

Wow, the flashbacks of Sabrina before the drug and alchohol addiction to now is startling. 

Carmen ' s young teen is a dad now. She's indicated she was a mid teen (14 15, 16 when she had him. So she's early 30's.

She had her tubes tied and I.V.F. is easier than reversal  surgery.

Sabrina had Oakley  in a car with a friend and Oakley's father. The father is only allowed supervised visits. The friend wound up overdosing, being rushed to the  hospital and dying. They took the baby for Sabrina ' s poor judgement.

Rebecca  is tired of the continuing drama and drugs.

Hope this helps.

[bichonblitz]

@Willowsmom Thanks! That certainly answers my questions. Sabrina, wow. Not feeling so sorry for her any more now that I know what happened. 

[realityobserver]

And now reports are in that Sabrina was arrested for drug paraphernalia and possession in Pennsylvania on May 11th...

Arrest

[Complexity]

19 minutes ago, realityobserver said:

And now reports are in that Sabrina was arrested for drug paraphernalia and possession in Pennsylvania on May 11th...

Arrest

And this confirms what many have speculated: Sabrina is still an active drug addict.

She's on the wrong show. She needs to be on Intervention.

[realityobserver]

1 hour ago, Willowsmom said:

Sabrina had Oakley  in a car with a friend and Oakley's father. The father is only allowed supervised visits. The friend wound up overdosing, being rushed to the  hospital and dying. They took the baby for Sabrina ' s poor judgement.

Yes, this is what was explained on the show. But... Why would anyone in the hospital care if the father was with them ? Wouldn't the staff be completely involved with the OD ? I mean, who snitched on Sabrina ? I guess that in the police report it was shown that Sabrina and the father took the person to the hospital, yet this was never made clear... Seems a little far fetched, but could be the answer. If they filled out a report, wouldn't she have known the consequences of mentioning the father being along with her and Oakley ?

Also, the person who OD'd was never mentioned as actually dying on the show, now if he did die, I imagine a full and complete investigation would have been done, and the circumstances would have been revealed...

[Complexity]

32 minutes ago, realityobserver said:

If they filled out a report, wouldn't she have known the consequences of mentioning the father being along with her and Oakley ?

Are you talking about the same Sabrina that thought her vagina would go "floppy" after childbirth, and the victim who thought child services didn't want her to have a family, and who read something about a woman having orgasms for three weeks after giving birth? That Sabrina?

I don't think she has a grasp on reality, no less any comprehension about consequences. That's her big problem.

ETA: Oh, and add to the list Harry's super sperm! How can anyone forget that! ?

Edited May 15, 2017 by Complexity

[realityobserver]

1 hour ago, Complexity said:

Are you talking about the same Sabrina

Of course, there lays the rub.... Watch too much of this show and it starts to affect our brains, too.

?

[winsomeone]

I thought heroin addicts are usually thin?

[Complexity]

20 minutes ago, winsomeone said:

I thought heroin addicts are usually thin?

Although that is usually the case, it's not always. It depends on what else the addict is doing that may affect their weight.

Quoting from heroindetoxrehab.com:

• One of the most common symptoms of heroin addiction is a sudden and rapid change in weight. This is because heroin suppresses the appetite. Most people who are addicted to heroin become dangerously thin not only because the appetite is suppressed, but because the heroin addict will use his or her last dollar to buy more of the drug. Heroin can also cause severe nausea in high doses, which can lead to weight loss as well. Heroin users can sometimes see a rapid weight gain if they are also using other drugs like marijuana to control the nausea from the heroin use. Marijuana can stimulate the appetite, which can lead to weight gain from binge eating while using both drugs.

Quoting from opiaterehabtreatment.com:

• People that abuse opiates may experience either weight gain or loss as a result of their drug use. Opiate users that experience side effects, such as nausea and vomiting, may experience weight loss. However, users that do not experience these side effects may experience weight gain. The high the drug causes may encourage them to eat more food to feel even better. Opiate users may even gain weight because substance abuse often leads to inactivity. People that become addicted to opiates may abuse drugs so often that they do little else. As a result, they may not participate in many activities that require physical exercise.

Quoting from ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (a far better source):

• Evidence from both preclinical and clinical studies demonstrates that chronic opioid exposure is associated with increased sugar intake.
• The preference for sugary foods resulting from opiate administration may lead to increased consumption of such foods, and possibly accumulation of excess body fat and weight gain.

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[Complexity]

I'm finally watching this episode, and I have to say that I am not happy with the therapist they picked out for the show.

His office setting is all wrong. He has it set up as if he's the boss talking to subordinates. That desk is a huge obstacle between him and his patients (and is not recommended for therapists). The background of papers stuck on a bulletin board is not conducive to gaining trust for a patient to talk openly. And the patient's chairs are not comfortable for his patients.

I also don't care for his manner and line of questioning. I do not see nor feel any attempt at empathy. And what's up with asking Abe and Rebecca to talk about what they don't like about the other on their very first session? What happened to building a relationship and instilling hope as a foundation for therapy? Even Rebecca said she was already tired of focusing on negatives; the point of therapy was to get out of that rut, not find new things to add to it.

This is an excellent example of what I've been taught not to do.

I have no idea why he's on the show or how he got there. He's clearly wanting/needing the publicity, but what he's publicizing is how poorly he is as a therapist which will not serve him well.

ETA: I just figured out why he has no clue how to be a psychotherapist. He is not a licensed counselor or psychologist. He's a social worker. Also note that he does not have his education listed. For all we know, he bought his degree from some for-profit online college.     https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/name/Patrick_Shea_LCSW_Punxsutawney_Pennsylvania_169777

Edited May 15, 2017 by Complexity

[Evil Queen]

3 hours ago, realityobserver said:

And now reports are in that Sabrina was arrested for drug paraphernalia and possession in Pennsylvania on May 11th...

Arrest

Hmm why does this not surprise me at all? I will guess the other baby had already been taken from her before this. What kills me is all the crap Rebecca had been getting for not being supportive and there for Sabrina. This is exactly why she wanted no part of her. I got it and knew what Rebecca was doing for herself and family was the right thing. No one in their right mind wants this around their kids. 

I swear that damn site with their kissing butt on whoever they write about. Big fans of her's huh? Explains why they haven't really told the whole truth on why she lost Oakley and probably her other one as well. 

3 hours ago, realityobserver said:

Yes, this is what was explained on the show. But... Why would anyone in the hospital care if the father was with them ? Wouldn't the staff be completely involved with the OD ? I mean, who snitched on Sabrina ? I guess that in the police report it was shown that Sabrina and the father took the person to the hospital, yet this was never made clear... Seems a little far fetched, but could be the answer. If they filled out a report, wouldn't she have known the consequences of mentioning the father being along with her and Oakley ?

Also, the person who OD'd was never mentioned as actually dying on the show, now if he did die, I imagine a full and complete investigation would have been done, and the circumstances would have been revealed...

The father of her kids is an abusive asshole. During their relationship he was arrested for domestic violence. I wouldn't be surprised if he is part of the drug scene as well. Which in turn would be why they are told to not be together and he is suppose to get supervised visits because of the abuse. Yet I would bet its been going on many times that she let him around Oakley without someone to monitor things as court ordered. I can see her admitting it too when asked but throwing in all kinds of excuses she thinks should fly for it. I am behind on the show still but if it wasn't mentioned on that guy dying I am surprised because it was in articles about it. I know she tried to lie and say drugs weren't part of it and never mentioned the abuser or daughter in the car. Which I can imagine was to play up the victim role in her daughter taken from her again.  I can imagine there was plenty investigated there with the friend and all of them in that car. She refuses to take responsibility for actions though and blames everyone else for her shit. 

 

Complexity, thanks for that info. Sounds like someone trying to become the next "Dr." Phil or Oz. UGH 

[gonecrackers]

I feel so sorry for Sabrina's kids & hope they're safe. I also hope she doesn't have anymore, whenever she gets out.

[Chewy101]

Sabrina exposing Oakley to an abuser and an addict makes her absolutely detestable to me. She keeps lying about what really went down, making her not even seem sorry. I don't think was clean when the guy died in her car. , but if she WAS clean, why on earth would she be hanging out with a junkie.

[Evil Queen]

OMG someone needs to smack Sabrina. Are you kidding me that she is really trying to claim she didn't realize that supervision had to be someone by the court? That is her frickin damn excuse now for what went down and having the dad/ex around Oakley when she wasn't suppose to? Its bad enough hearing her excuse for the home birth of the next one and how she needs a plan to protect her unborn one. How about she should have been responsible from the get go and not been stupid about drugs and crap. 

PLEASE someone get rid of Mary and her stupid crap as well. The lady is out of control with gambling if she is asking Abe and Rebecca for money to pay her bills. She is dragging Abe into by making him go with her. I don't blame Rebecca at all for how she is about all this. Obviously the show having them travel to "visit" Jeremiah is scripted bs. I'd like to know how she gets away with living with Chester if she is shunned. Mary obviously wears her Amish outfit still because she wants the damn attention otherwise she would never get it if she wore regular clothes. And that scene with the black ladies and Mary in her TH saying Rebecca better watch out because he is better looking than she thinks....UGH Really lady? 

That so called therapist...wow he is a joke having them bring Mary into things. Sorry but that would so not be the case I would think in a normal therapy situation. UGH OMG the math thing with Rebecca. I could teach the poor girl how to do that better than what we saw the guy do. Hell anyone could do better than that guy. My 10 yr old could do it. LOL 

Jeremiah's face when Carmela is talking in the TH scene...wow he is just a smug ass. She looks silly in her boots and winter looking clothes in Florida IMO when everyone else around is in t-shirts and shorts. Her complaining about a shower...she sure looks clean and showered to me. He can't take her on a date night but Mary says let's go to Vegas and its ok huh?