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5 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I get the impression there is a lot being discussed that doesn't make mainstream (or at least mainstream for the RH franchises) media.  Dorinda seemed to indicate that Sonja was flapping her jaws on some Facebook site.  I am sure by next week there will a lot of new information after next week's episode.

About half way down, through the recap below, this is mentioned and the blogger implies a connection and perhaps some follow up with these kind of Facebook Groups. Plus has an opinion on how low Sonja has sunk!:

http://tamaratattles.com/2017/04/19/real-housewives-of-new-york-a-new-low/

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Ignoring WHY Ramona brought up Beth's "soft porn past" and questioned how she dealt with that with her daughter.... Bethenny completely misunderstood or ignored the salient point (that Ramona is unable to articulate clearly) which is the issue of Bryn being able to access salubrious information about her mother in this digital age. If not Bryn, then anyone else who could bring it to her attention. That's what Ramona said happened to her daughter Avery

My guess is that right about when this was filmed Bethenny's major concern with her daughter and the access to things in the media was the crazy stuff going on with Hoppy.  And she is six.  And Ramona apparently has back tracked on her Avery story as being 'just a example I made up'.  (Still loving Ramona walking off a reunion when the subject of Alex's nudies came up.)  Bethenny apparently has a contract note that says they cannot talk about her daughter's custody arrangement.  This is court ordered.  So when idiots like Ramona or Heather start to go there she just shuts down and leaves.

I would hate to have to negotiate these matters in public.  But protecting Brynn from it is probably tops in her mind.  A 25 year old B movie with a topless scene really wouldn't be on my mind.  When the time comes I bet it isn't the flip response Ramona got. 

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12 hours ago, Rainny said:

I thought Bethenny and Carol getting acupuncture was nice but I wish Bethenny would stop with her Luann comments. Then again the they walked into the restaurant. I understand they don't like each other, but does she really have to say so many insulting things when Luann has nothing to do with whatever it is that Bethenny is doing at the moment? 

But you know she gives zero fucks right?

12 hours ago, Trooper York said:

Bethenny is a Pez Dispenser of vile comments.

In fact she really resembles a Pez dispenser. Yeech.

Good one! LOL

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Why was it not surprising that Carole had fungus on not one but two toes! And the fact that she was so blase about it was weird. I did love Bethenny calling her out on her crooked bottom teeth. Seeing her stick out her tongue was disturbing, she is a mess from over filled botoxed head to infected toes.

 

ETA: I can't believe she brought up that pedophile remark that most likely didn't happen. Carole has serious problems with Luann that goes deeper than an off hand remark that no one but Carole heard or saw on twitter. Not one other witness who was there in the public place where it supposedly happened or screen shot of the offending text has ever come to light.

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11 hours ago, ryebread said:

Ya know what else was rich? Beth getting her knickers in a bunch at the restaurant because Moaner and Lulu were talking about her.  "Do you not SEE that I'm sitting right here?" 

Which, sure, it's rude but does she not remember when she did that to Jules (and maybe Heather) more than once?  Talking about how unhealthy and skinny Jules looked when Jules was directly across the table?  She's completely unable to recognize being wrong about anything, which is a symptom of what Lu was talking about - Beth doesn't care about anyone but herself. 

She did it to Lu in the Bershires too. That's what started their back and forth that ended with Beth screaming at Lu that she's a whore and fucks everybody. All because the first conversation they had didn't turn into an arguments so she decided to start chatting it up with (Ramona was it?)  saying shit about Lu which is what prompted Lu to go to Beth's side of the table and inquire about what was being said since she could hear Beth talking about her, ya know, being at the same table and all.

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27 minutes ago, queenjen said:

About half way down, through the recap below, this is mentioned and the blogger implies a connection and perhaps some follow up with these kind of Facebook Groups. Plus has an opinion on how low Sonja has sunk!:

http://tamaratattles.com/2017/04/19/real-housewives-of-new-york-a-new-low/

Well Sonja is now claiming to have been involved with Jack Nicholson on the down low-  http://www.eonline.com/ca/news/844796/sonja-morgan-reveals-she-s-dated-jack-nicholson-nobody-nails-down-nicholson

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Dorinda certainly has her faults - don't get me wrong.  (I'm still holding just a teeeeny bit of resentment towards her for how she treated Heather 2 seasons ago).  But - again - compared to the rest of them - she sure comes out looking pretty decent.    

Lu and Carole are probably tied for my second fave - and they both annoy the crap out of me at times (admittedly Lu has been more tolerable so far, but the season is young).  It's slim pickens on RHoNY I tell ya!

I actually don't mind Tinsley so far, but we've yet to see her interact with anybody other than Sonja.  And let's face it: just about anybody would seem more grounded and sensible compared to her.  Time will tell...

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I'd love to see all of them ask Bethenny questions about her personal life:  Dennis, Brynn, the divorce  You know, typical discussions that one has with friends and not unlike the qyestions/comments Bethenny has with them.  Watching her flip out and storm off would be hilarious.  Eventually, her refusal to film would potentially get her off the show.

Carole had better watch out, Bethenny's already started to target her, as evidenced by some of the election barbs.

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"my Argentinian luggage" hahahahaha please PLZ open every show like that ! LOL

....Carole thanks the driver dropping them at Bethennys. Beth doesn't. I do like it when I see Carole think for herself !

At dinner, I know the "you go low I go high" quote was in the political context but as Bethenny shoveled food furiously in silent  fury ya just know she was thinking about a Kelly B "I'm up here and you're down there". I saw what you did there Luann.  Nice.

That dinner was EVERYTHING. Thank you Mona for looking Bethenny Frankel in the eye and calling her out that her attitude and her comments are rude and unacceptable. The delivery was oh so off kilter and signature Ramona but at least she said it. Bethenny says ten times worse but can't hear it back she has to run. She has run from both parents, her husbands and countless others. And she runs. Every time. She's a bully and a chicken shit. 

Ramonas house in the Hamptons belongs in 1997 on the outskirts of Boca on the Intercoastal only thing missing was Don Johnson. 

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10 hours ago, Neeners said:

I really don't understand why Bethenny goes so hard after Lu. She has one or more shady comment per episode. And seeing her twitter feed tonight, she's going at her still. I just don't get it. What has Lu done to her that is so horrible? I honestly don't know, but I haven't followed the gossip or twitter stuff off season. Can some kind soul please bring me up to speed?

Lu's pretentious. Didn't cha know? that's all it takes to warrant such vile attacks season after season.

Oh and apparently she spent a huge amount of time berating everyone around her for not being proper ladies at all times or something like that.

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8 hours ago, Jamie Satyr said:

Her vile condescending attitude makes her very ugly; SORRY! ;-(

So you would let your bestie marry a cheating slime-bag liar like TOM! WOW; cool! Now we know! ;-(

When have Beth and Lu been best friends? 

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10 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

I think what it boils down to is that Lu doesn't like Beth nor does she really care what Beth says about her, she puts a period at the end of the sentence and moves on and it bugs the crap out of Beth.

Perfect explanation.

Beth claims zero fucks but Lu actually gives zero fucks.

10 hours ago, chewycandy said:

She also thinks Luann is a big dumb drag queen snake liar hypocrite--she brought up her etiquette book again tonight.

I think its so telling when all they ever have on Lu comes from the vault of seasons past. It's so comical.  A book from what? 5 years ago and some "uncool" dating advice from ummmmmm 5 years ago? still has you hurling left and right insults all the live long day? Get a grip already.

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For being so wealthy and a mogul, Beth's hairdo looks like she got it cut at Hair Cuttery by a junior stylist.

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11 hours ago, ryebread said:

Like they are getting sucked inward by the cups on her back.  Shudder.  I think I'd rather see these ladies get waxed than cupped.  Cupping creeps me out.  My apologies to anyone, here, who get's cupped, but I've seen pictures of people who have been cupped too hard.  The skin raises so high up because of too much suction that it starts to bleed.  I'll take a lemon cleanse to remove toxins, any day, over that.

I know this is off topic but I can't help myself.  Cupping is great for muscle soreness and tension but it drives me crazy when people do shit to "get rid of toxins."  Your body is already equipped to get rid of "toxins", it's called having a liver and kidneys.  Everything else is made up shit to take suckers' money.  And there really is a sucker born every minute.

Back to the show:  I loved Bethanny at that lunch.  Ramona was being ridiculous so she just started being ridiculous right back.  She didn't get mad, she didn't start yelling, she just kept giving it right back to Ramona, which obviously worked because it pissed Ramona off.  Bethanny is smart and quick witted and I know I'm in the VAST minority on this, but I love her, dammit.  Ramona, on the other hand, is a crazy ass clown.  What is her damage?  It's like she's TRYING to be as abrasive as humanly possible.  I don't think I've ever seen anyone so self unaware and so rude.  How did she last so many years in high society?

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know I'm in the VAST minority on this, but I love her, dammit

I'm there with you.  The comment about Lu blowing the restaurateur was mostly funny because 5 seconds later she said, forget Lu maybe I'll be blowing him in 10 minutes.  So I don't see that as a big slam to Lu, sorry.

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12 hours ago, Trooper York said:

Bethenny is a Pez Dispenser of vile comments.

In fact she really resembles a Pez dispenser. Yeech.

...and unfunny one liners. Beth you are not cute or funny.

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2 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I'm there with you.  The comment about Lu blowing the restaurateur was mostly funny because 5 seconds later she said, forget Lu maybe I'll be blowing him in 10 minutes.  So I don't see that as a big slam to Lu, sorry.

I like her, too. Overall, I thought she was pretty funny in this episode.  

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39 minutes ago, Normades said:

I am another who can't stand all the hate B directs at Lu.  So what she wrote a book about etiquette years ago and mentioned manners a time or two?  These ladies could use some manners.  Lu had her schtick as the Countess and she parlayed it into the book and then the clothing line.  Isn't that exactly the kind of thing B professes to celebrate in women?  Personally, I think the fact that Lu seems so effortlessly attractive with an energy that draws men to her is what grates on B. and Ramona, too for that matter.  They are bitter bitties.

Beautifully put.

I'm in totally agreement with your whole post.

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8 hours ago, queenjen said:

. She's permanently stuck in high school, getting hickies and choosing sexy brassieres to wear while getting them. I choked when she started speaking with vocal fry about how Avery's friends don't see her as a Mom? And what an awesome time they all had together?

We've all seen Avery's epic side-eye.  I think it was kind of like when Vicki did a keg-stand on RHOC

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I'm surprised Carole has toe fungus.  I don't know why.  Is that something old people get?

I liked it when Lu told Bethenny she didn't care about any of them.  So true.  They've worked together for years, you'd think Bethenny could at least pretend to care.  

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Did I hear Ms. Serious Journalist correctly when Dorinda was talking how scary the election is and how close it is getting and Ms. Serious Journalist dismissed her with "yeah, like 50 points"?  

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57 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Lu's pretentious. Didn't cha know? that's all it takes to warrant such vile attacks season after season.

Oh and apparently she spent a huge amount of time berating everyone around her for not being proper ladies at all times or something like that.

<shrug>

I love Lu, but the first season where she did play up the Countess was insufferable.  But I always felt like she thought that was her reality star role, like Beth thinks her role is to be the "zero fucks" personality.  Fortunately, Lu morphed into the person onscreen she always was -- someone who is quick witted, truly doesn't give any fucks, but you can take her to any party and not be embarrassed by her.  Out of all of the HWs, I'd love to hang out with her.   I used to feel that way about Beth but her personality is so grating anymore.  And for how pretentious she thought Lu was, Beth treats the help worse than Lu ever did.

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Ramona felt she had something on Bethenny, and she literally could not wait a second to try to embarrass B with it

I feel like this is sort of par for the course when it comes to these women. Like there is legit no reason why Bethenny, if she truly cared about Luann, would've made all that Tom business be on camera the other season other than the fact that she wanted to humiliate and get a storyline. Or even Ramona, taking that walk with Bethenny on the bridge so many seasons ago to basically tell her that her marriage would be over before it even started and whatnot.

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1 hour ago, Ki-in said:

ETA: I can't believe she brought up that pedophile remark that most likely didn't happen. Carole has serious problems with Luann that goes deeper than an off hand remark that no one but Carole heard or saw on twitter. Not one other witness who was there in the public place where it supposedly happened or screen shot of the offending text has ever come to light.

Well, except for the fact the Lu admitted she did make the pedophile remark. I guess, however, that this is how far Lu has fallen in the credibility department. People don't believe her even when she admits she said something shitty. 

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5 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Well, except for the fact the Lu admitted she did make the pedophile remark. I guess, however, that this is how far Lu has fallen in the credibility department. People don't believe her even when she admits she said something shitty. 

From what I recall Luann said she did not remember but apologized anyway just to be able to move on with the "sorry I called u a pedafile" text in the Berkshires.

 

Again, it was supposedly said at a filmed public event where there were no witnesses or video/soundbite and again on twitter but no screen grab. I call shenanigans. 

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2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I love Lu, but the first season where she did play up the Countess was insufferable.  But I always felt like she thought that was her reality star role, like Beth thinks her role is to be the "zero fucks" personality.  Fortunately, Lu morphed into the person onscreen she always was -- someone who is quick witted, truly doesn't give any fucks, but you can take her to any party and not be embarrassed by her.  Out of all of the HWs, I'd love to hang out with her.   I used to feel that way about Beth but her personality is so grating anymore.  And for how pretentious she thought Lu was, Beth treats the help worse than Lu ever did.

Agreed!
That's the thing Lu did and does shit with purpose. That how she's tackled everything that comes her way. With purpose and that's why shit pans out so much for her because she invests herself in whatever challenge or opportunity. Her Countess thing was definitely put on in the beginning because she had to feed the role. Solidify her spot on the show.  Everyone made such a to do about it cause to their disappointment it delivered for Lu. 

Lu made me giggle in the beginning cause it tickled me that they would always let Lu get to them. I sided with Lu even back then cause I think it's ridiculous to let other people's petty quirks be such a factor in your mood. 

I mean I think the book get brought up or whatever thousand year old gripe because Beth's got nothing. She knows she can't scream what she's really thinking. "Lu I can't stand you cause you're just so effortless" "Lu you've got some nerve being breezingly fabulous while giving zero fucks....How. Dare. You.... ???" (tm ED) Nah, Beth knows that would sound utterly stupid so she goes for the general sexual shaming and etiquette book from a whore route which is equally moronic.

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1 hour ago, teapot said:
9 hours ago, queenjen said:

. She's permanently stuck in high school, getting hickies and choosing sexy brassieres to wear while getting them. I choked when she started speaking with vocal fry about how Avery's friends don't see her as a Mom? And what an awesome time they all had together?

We've all seen Avery's epic side-eye.  I think it was kind of like when Vicki did a keg-stand on RHOC

YES! When Ramona fantasized that all Avery's friends think of her a one of them, not as Avery's mother, all I could think about was delusional and tone deaf Vicki popping up at her son's frat house and getting weepy when they didn't all treat her like the sweetheart of Sigma Chi. Ladies, these children do NOT think of you as one of them! Get a clue!

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3 hours ago, Mozelle said:

There's so much hilarity in this alliance between LuAnn and Ramona. How is LuAnn acting as though she wasn't on the receiving end of Ramona pulling something re: her daughter? I haven't forgotten that Ramona retweeted (or tweeted) then removed a tweet linking to a video of Victoria smoking a spliff and using the n-word. And then for LuAnn to chastise Bethenny for only thinking of herself--which she does but follow me--when just last season, LuAnn only wanted to talk about the Tom drama while sitting outside with Jules, who was going through it with news about her father's ill health and hospitalization? 

These women's mirrors are broken. Oh, and they're also nuts!

Which is probably why after this season I'm off the HW train! These b!tches are trying too hard and seeming less and less human! So much for reality! ;-(

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Did I hear Ms. Serious Journalist correctly when Dorinda was talking how scary the election is and how close it is getting and Ms. Serious Journalist dismissed her with "yeah, like 50 points"?  

No, you didn't hear it correctly. Dorinda was talking about how scary and close it is, and Carole said, not dismissively, but agreeing with Dorinda, "She should be winning by 50 points, but..." and the rest kind of gets drowned out, but it sounds like she said, "instead it's 3 points". She wasn't dismissing Dorinda, she was agreeing with her about how scary and close it all is.

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1 hour ago, imjagain said:

When have Beth and Lu been best friends? 

It usually lasts about 5 minutes after they have one of their rows and then perform fake apologies; usually after some condescending remarks to one another! ;-)

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4 hours ago, QuinnM said:
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Ignoring WHY Ramona brought up Beth's "soft porn past" and questioned how she dealt with that with her daughter.... Bethenny completely misunderstood or ignored the salient point (that Ramona is unable to articulate clearly) which is the issue of Bryn being able to access salubrious information about her mother in this digital age. If not Bryn, then anyone else who could bring it to her attention. That's what Ramona said happened to her daughter Avery

My guess is that right about when this was filmed Bethenny's major concern with her daughter and the access to things in the media was the crazy stuff going on with Hoppy.  And she is six.  And Ramona apparently has back tracked on her Avery story as being 'just a example I made up'.  (Still loving Ramona walking off a reunion when the subject of Alex's nudies came up.)  Bethenny apparently has a contract note that says they cannot talk about her daughter's custody arrangement.  This is court ordered.  So when idiots like Ramona or Heather start to go there she just shuts down and leaves.

I would hate to have to negotiate these matters in public.  But protecting Brynn from it is probably tops in her mind.  A 25 year old B movie with a topless scene really wouldn't be on my mind.  When the time comes I bet it isn't the flip response Ramona got. 

I think it was clear that Ramona's intent was malicious, and Bethenny reacted accordingly. I think we can all remember Ramona having a fit when Andy Cohen dared bring up Ramona's then impending divorce on the reunion show, demanding that he not ask anything about it, and citing her (nearly adult) daughter as a reason for privacy. Yet when Ramona decides to drag Bethenny's 6-year-old daughter into things and referrs (ridiculously) to Bethenny's "soft core porn" career (which Lu called "her ex porno life"), she called Bethenny all kinds of names for not playing along. And the irony/hypocrisy of Ramona saying, "Good friends should be able to ask each other questions" and "I'm not bringing this out of the blue; this was just in the papers." Well, so was Ramona's divorce when Andy asked her about it, but that didn't stop Ramona from telling him to shut up and having a fit until he let it go. It's always one standard for Ramona and another for everyone else.

P.S. Whoever did Ramona's makeup for that lunch needs to be banned from touching makeup for life.

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You know I hope Sonja doesn't rehash the Tom was my lover all season long. Even her friend is getting sick of listening to it. I don't know how I feel about all the makeup she is wearing in her talking head. i like the straight hair, but it is too much makeup. 

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When Bethenny and Carole were at the acupuncturist, Carole was yammering about the election again. Bethenny said something like--why don't you do something or volunteer for Clinton/the campaign, whatever. Carole responded--I can't move to Washington! What?! I am sure there were many opportunities to work on Clinton's campaign in NYC. Or does Carole think she is above working with other "little people" and her efforts would only be appreciated in DC? She is just one of those people who likes to complain about everything, but will make no effort to take any action.

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15 minutes ago, Pickles said:

I am sure there were many opportunities to work on Clinton's campaign in NYC.

Clinton's campaign HQ were in Brooklyn.  Hell, it was the plot of an entire episode of Broad City.  Carole isn't even as motivated as a fictional mill.

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1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Perhaps if Bethenny hadn't called her a slut, whore etc., and Luann wasn't engaged it might be humorous but it was just mean spirited.  Doesn't every engaged woman wants someone commenting on how she will blow the manager at the local bar?  Bethenny needs to stop talking about Luann, it is getting have a desperate creepy vibe.  Luann didn't invent sex. 

I get the impression that Bethenny has seen a lot more of Lu's behavior than the viewers have. And that Bethenny generally doesn't approve of promiscuity/is a slut shamer, so Bethenny feels entitled to say something since she assumes that this is the sort of thing the typical viewer cares about. I don't. I am not a fan of Lu's for a number of reasons, but how often she has sex, and with whom she has it, is not one of them.

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14 hours ago, Chicklet said:

Seriously, Lu needs to see an ENT stat with her smoking history, yikes.

Ramona is insane. She thinks she can say the most insanely insulting things and then its all ok because she comes back with "i think friends can ask anything of friends".

She absolutely has a screw loose! She opens her mouth and garbage spews out! Also, what is with her "being young" obsession? Somebody said she and Avery look like sisters and Avery's friends don't consider her a mom but a friend?!  Puhleeze!! I'm not saying Ramona doesn't look good but she does not look as young as she thinks she does! ?

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I'm not aware of most of the off-camera stuff that was "in the news," so a lot of the undercurrent escapes me.

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7 minutes ago, Jel said:

I get the impression that Bethenny has seen a lot more of Lu's behavior than the viewers have. And that Bethenny generally doesn't approve of promiscuity/is a slut shamer, so Bethenny feels entitled to say something since she assumes that this is the sort of thing the typical viewer cares about. I don't. I am not a fan of Lu's for a number of reasons, but how often she has sex, and with whom she has it, is not one of them.

I don't think Bethenny cares who Lu has sex with, how many people she has sex with, or how often she has sex.  What I think bothers Bethenny is that Luann has, let's say, a robust sex life, but lies about it and acts judgmental toward others for lesser exploits.  I do think Luann has gotten better about this in the last year or so, but it used to be that she was constantly acting like a total prude when, it seems, she was doing a lot of sleeping around.  I don't think it's ever the behavior that bothers Bethenny, but when people lie about the behavior.

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10 hours ago, Jamie Satyr said:

I'm no fan of any of these women, but I have no idea wtf you're talking about! I think for their age they look great; esp. Bethenny who had some work! Carole's just naturally thin so she'll hold up well while Ramona will continue throwing good money down the drain since her persona is the part that needs work! ;-(

Carol maybe thin, but her face has had a lot of work, she looks haggard. At least she lopped off some of her extensions , it dragged down her horsey face.She bores me ( yawn ) 

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So it was okay for her to call Luann a slut and say that she fucks everybody, but shit, don't call Bethenny a witch and wicked.

I wish so much LuAnn would say to her detractors, "At least I'm spreading love and good vibes. What are you guys spreading to the people you meet? Toxicity?" I've had my issues with LuAnn throughout the years, but I will say that at least she's not a toxic personality. And I can't see her digging and looking for dirt on a girlfriend's fiance, either.

If Ramona was really having hot make-out sessions and getting hickeys, she wouldn't give a rat's ass about LuAnn's love life. Without her family around and without a job to keep her occupied, Ramona is dangerous. Will someone crank the music stat so we can get some crazy Ramona dancing?

Someone commented a couple of pages back about not seeing SG products anywhere. I have, but only in places like TX Maxx and Marshall's. The vanilla bean protein shakes are good, but the protein bars I had tasted awful.

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1 hour ago, MerryMary said:

I'm surprised Carole has toe fungus.  I don't know why.  Is that something old people get?

 

I'm not, she is old and looks like she thinks hygiene is optional.

 

Ugh, and she's selling her shoes online, can you imagine spending $300 for a used pair of shoes (gross) only to get toe rot. Yuck

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Someone commented a couple of pages back about not seeing SG products anywhere. I have, but only in places like TX Maxx and Marshall's. The vanilla bean protein shakes are good, but the protein bars I had tasted awful.

They are all over Walmart and that is the only vendor you need on this stuff.  She is making so much money I can't even.  If you really want to hate her follow her on snap.  Because every friggin weekend she is at Vail or Aspen or the Bahamas or Mexico or London.  Just for the weekend.  With a helicopter to the airport.  So I'm not worried about her brand.  I'm dying of jealousy over her weekend life.

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2 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

They are all over Walmart and that is the only vendor you need on this stuff.  She is making so much money I can't even.  If you really want to hate her follow her on snap.  Because every friggin weekend she is at Vail or Aspen or the Bahamas or Mexico or London.  Just for the weekend.  With a helicopter to the airport.  So I'm not worried about her brand.  I'm dying of jealousy over her weekend life.

but she's very bitter in her heart & she's probably thinking nasty thoughts the entire time.  I still think I'd rather be just me

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12 hours ago, Eliz said:

I don't think LuAnn was being nice at all. She wasn't, like, gently pointing out to Ramona what Bethenny's point of view might be; she was taking the opportunity to join in and say, "oh, I don't think she likes her porno past being talked about." It was a chance to mention the "porno past" again, and get in her own dig once she saw that Ramona had succeeded in needling Bethenny.

I think Bethenny described it perfectly in her talking head -- Ramona felt she had something on Bethenny, and she literally could not wait a second to try to embarrass B with it, and trying to do that by wrapping it up in a question about Bryn was pretty gross. Doing it that way (which I don't think for a second was Ramona's own idea) set Ramona up to be able to frame it in the aftermath as "just asking a question about her life." I think that Bethenny recognized Ramona's game instantly for what it was, and she was furious about that, not actually embarrassed by the subject of the movie -- which she clearly had already strategized how she was going to talk about it on the show.

Pot meet kettle Bethenny - queen of strategizing to make other HW's embarrassed on the show. 

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Dear HW Production,

   Thank you for taking the time to read the boards and notice that we do not like to see the women speaking with their mouths full of food or chewing with their yappers open. I know that it was a hard edit for you last night as they had more than one scene filming during eating but I appreciated your trying to keep it to a minimum. I also thank whomever spoke to the ladies regarding this as even Carole made a concerted effort to keep her lips together while chomping. 

           Sincerely, Mindthinkr 

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