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Why would Leo's statements make Miller cry? She's tougher than that.

Perhaps because her son is linked to the sickness by virtue of the porn having been shared with him.

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4 hours ago, smorbie said:

Everyone, male and female, has horrible thoughts from time to time, but they don't act on them.  The thoughts are between them and God. The acts are the problem.  Biologically men and women are wired to find a mate and procreate.  Religion and society have done a pretty good job of making that a more civilized pursuit, but it is what it is.  There will always be people who think it's alright to abuse another person, sexually, physically, or emotionally.  We all have to deal with predators of one kind or another.  But that doesn't condemn all of the people of the same sex, race, religion, or eye color of the person who hurt us.  

Hardy is right.  He is an aberration.

I know what I'm talking about, and it comes from years of experience with men who cross lines all the time with women, based on these thoughts, and the society that allows it.  So, I'll stick to my valid feelings about this, with or without your approval, thank you.

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1 hour ago, LADreamr said:

I know what I'm talking about, and it comes from years of experience with men who cross lines all the time with women, based on these thoughts, and the society that allows it.  So, I'll I stick to my valid feelings about this, with or without your approval, thank you.

It is very obvious that I touched a nerve, and for that I am sorry.  We will have to agree to disagree on this one, though.  Thoughts are not actions and unless you really can read minds, I just don't think it's fair to assume motives, good or bad, from anyone.

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I am confused about Tom.  And worried for his future.  But am I remembering wrong?  I thought he was more of an active purveyor of the porn.  Not Michael.  Didn't he say to Michael I have some new stuff or something like that?  The end where he was sitting around the table with the others and talking to the little girls?  Was I supposed to think anything about that?  I hope someone can tell me if I am mis-remembering.  At any rate I think Ellie should have her son in counseling.

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11 hours ago, Texasmom1970 said:

I think we could be fast friends! 

I started not to write it, because I don't really care for it when people compare characters or situations from shows I watch with characters or situations from shows I have chosen not to watch.  It's not really helpful for me as the reader to understand their point.  I understand their doing; I usually fight the urge, myself, but I don't care for it.

But, such is my loyalty to my psychic friend and Soupcan Sam that I just couldn't let that go.  That show was as close to perfect as I have ever seen and I still miss and mourn it.

1 hour ago, gibasi said:

I am confused about Tom.  And worried for his future.  But am I remembering wrong?  I thought he was more of an active purveyor of the porn.  Not Michael.  Didn't he say to Michael I have some new stuff or something like that?  The end where he was sitting around the table with the others and talking to the little girls?  Was I supposed to think anything about that?  I hope someone can tell me if I am mis-remembering.  At any rate I think Ellie should have her son in counseling.

I think the point was to show us that he's okay.  He's not suffering from the same problems that plagued Michael.  He's  been able to grow up and, it is hoped, move on from that voyeuristic activity to a more interactive, productive one, that of getting to know girls and be their mates.  

It was just to let us know that he's okay.  All's well that ends well, and all that.  

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42 minutes ago, smorbie said:

I started not to write it, because I don't really care for it when people compare characters or situations from shows I watch with characters or situations from shows I have chosen not to watch.  It's not really helpful for me as the reader to understand their point.  I understand their doing; I usually fight the urge, myself, but I don't care for it.

But, such is my loyalty to my psychic friend and Soupcan Sam that I just couldn't let that go.  That show was as close to perfect as I have ever seen and I still miss and mourn it.

 

I can't wait for the Psych Christmas special!

I would also watch the adventures of Hardy and Miller going about their day in Broadchurch.

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14 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

I can't wait for the Psych Christmas special!

I would also watch the adventures of Hardy and Miller going about their day in Broadchurch.

ME, either!  I'm so happy they're bringing my guys back together.  I wish USA would wise up and just give us their show back, again.  That's the only way the network is going to get off my banned list.  Come on son!  Do the right thing!

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Oh, man. I'll admit some disappointment that it was essentially a random attack on Trish by someone she didn't know. Because those are the minority of sexual assaults. Though it provides some comfort to Trish that it wasn't personal but at the same time more horror because it was wrong place/wrong time and nothing else.

In terms of Michael's culpability with the rape I had to remind myself that the flashbacks were Michael's version of events and therefore may not be the exact full and honest truth of what happened. Michael may have been more of a willing participant than he wanted to admit although Leo was certainly the mastermind.

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5 hours ago, gibasi said:

I am confused about Tom.  And worried for his future.  But am I remembering wrong?  I thought he was more of an active purveyor of the porn.  Not Michael.  Didn't he say to Michael I have some new stuff or something like that?

I think Michael got Tom into the porn. Tom was "paying him back" by showing him some choice porn but Michael, having just raped a woman, was no longer into it.

I think Tom is going to be okay because he has strong family and friend support. Michael had a very weak mother and a perverted and abusive stepfather. He was easy pickings for Leo. Tom won't be so easily led because he has people in his life who will make sure it doesn't happen and are strong enough to fight back if it starts to happen.

I felt bad for Michael in that he really was a little boy lost, and I feel like he feared for his own safety but he still raped a woman. I hope he gets shit loads of therapy and some form of juvvie as opposed to being locked up for life. Leo...I hope he is raped repeatedly in prison by men much bigger and badder than he thinks he is. He disgusts me even more than Joe. Broadchurch really does have the most digusting criminals.

And poor Trish. Like someone said, not only was she raped, it was filmed (which will surely be leaked by that bitch reporter who thinks it's okay to have sexy ads next to rape stories), her husband was spying on her, her boss was stalking her, she damaged her relationship with her bestie (though that one, unlike all the other shit things that happened to her, is 100% on her). At least she's got a lovely, supported daughter.

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2 hours ago, phantom said:

Oh, man. I'll admit some disappointment that it was essentially a random attack on Trish by someone she didn't know. Because those are the minority of sexual assaults. Though it provides some comfort to Trish that it wasn't personal but at the same time more horror because it was wrong place/wrong time and nothing else.

In terms of Michael's culpability with the rape I had to remind myself that the flashbacks were Michael's version of events and therefore may not be the exact full and honest truth of what happened. Michael may have been more of a willing participant than he wanted to admit although Leo was certainly the mastermind.

Good point

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On 8/17/2017 at 0:30 PM, pezgirl7 said:

I guess I'm pretty happy with the ending. I did guess that the cabby's son had something to do with it, but didn't think he was the actual rapist. We knew Leo was a cocky asshole, but there was no indication that he was a psycho rapist, so that was a surprise. I can't remember, did he admit to doing the other rapes? I don't remember them mentioning the other two cases at all.

Miller realized the rapes only happened during the summer when he wasn't at school. He said he would only do one rape a year, so not to be greedy.

I'm going to miss this show so much, mostly for David Tennant and Olivia Coleman's phenomenal chemistry. At least he's staying in town so there's a tiny hope they can do a special or something.

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On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Cyranetta said:
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Why would Leo's statements make Miller cry? She's tougher than that.

Perhaps because her son is linked to the sickness by virtue of the porn having been shared with him.

And the rapist was her son's age. Plus she had been up all night drinking energy drinks. What I like is that Hardy didn't freak about the tears. Women get weepy sometimes. It's a stress release and not a sign of weakness. 

Coleman has no vanity. Her skin looked genuinely awful in that scene. I love her for that.

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Finally watched it. Other than the church scene (since when does Hardy do church?) I liked it. I liked it was about time lines and research. The actor playing Leo was refreshingly chill and non-twitchy. Just serenely repulsive. 

I hope Coleman & Tennant work together again. He works with Catherine Tate a lot. They just did Much Ado on stage which kills me to have missed.  

The thing is, both Coleman and Tennant are so good they create chemistry with their coworkers. It is so rare for them to be flat with anyone. 

I just hope Coleman gets more leads. She is so wonderful but now she is firmly mum-age which can be a death toll for an actress. I really want to see her in a great comedy.

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Does Ellie know that Michael and Tom were friends? Because, if I found out my son had been hanging out with a rapist I'd probably break down too. That is way too close to home, especially given what Tom went through with his own father. The reason Michael was so easily targeted by Leo is that he has no strong father figure in his life. His step-dad is not a good father figure. Tom has no strong father figure in his life, his dad being a child murderer and all. I wonder if, for just a moment, she feared this could have happened to Tom. 

Hardy is very understanding of women. Surprising given how anti-social he seems to be. He just gets women. He's way too good for that town!

I loved the scene on the bench. When Ellie asked him to drinks I was hoping he'd say yes, but when he said no I was not disappointed because that was so Hardy. I love their relationship. I am going to miss them and would watch any special or movie or short season they wanted to give us just to get more time spent with these two perfect partners. 

1 minute ago, jeansheridan said:

I hope Coleman & Tennant work together again. He works with Catherine Tate a lot. They just did Much Ado on stage which kills me to have missed.  

Oh man, now I want a Coleman/Tennant/Tate Three's Company style sitcom. HAHA

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So Clive the cabbie told Hardy/Miller that he had a fare the night of the rape and that was his alibi with no corroboration?  It stood out to me be because Hardy said he lied about his alibi but I'm thinking, no, you didn't check it, you just took him at his word apparently.  Maybe it was covered in an earlier episode.  I just thought there would have been a line about him having an unverified alibi, as opposed to "he lied to us".   Actually he did have a fare, it was Leo and Michael.   I did like to see Hardy and Miller putting information and clues together.

I wasn't really interested in Mark this season but the scene with him and Beth was really well acted and compelling to watch.  When he tells Beth he doesn't feel part of the family, then I got it; he wasn't angry or blaming.  He's broken, maybe permanently.  Beth was able to put herself together and be a mother and have a job but Mark has lost something he may not get back.  I thought Andrew Buchan did really well; red eyed and crying a little but the tears not falling while he's talking.   Mark lied to Beth and cheated on her but I do feel a bit sorry for him; those things were his fault but Danny's death was not.

I also felt badly for Michael; which the show set up that way with the awful scene of him being hit by his father at the game.  I think there was genuine remorse in Michael, he knew it wasn't right but after being abused by his father for so long he was unable to stand up to someone with a forceful personality.

I wish they hadn't gone with Leo as a sociopath grooming someone else.  I hated the resolution of the Danny storyline and this was a little better but it just seems so Law and Order:SVU. 

My heart broke for Trish when she found she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  The way her face kind of crumpled in disbelief - GAH.  Julie Hesmondhalgh has done great work throughout the series.  Just stay away from Ian, please, he's so gross with the spying and trying to get his daughter to help him.

3 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

And the rapist was her son's age. Plus she had been up all night drinking energy drinks. What I like is that Hardy didn't freak about the tears. Women get weepy sometimes. It's a stress release and not a sign of weakness. 

I liked that as well.  He tells her Leo's an aberration and she says she hopes so; I wonder if she is worried about Tom, thinking is this what's in store for my son?  Still, she knows Hardy is a good man and there are others; it's awful that she was married to scum like Joe and came face to face with psycho Leo. 

The bench scene was perfection.  I hope we get a movie or something.  Tennant and Coleman are gold together. 

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On 8/17/2017 at 7:48 AM, smorbie said:

Okay, I have apple tv and I didn't know I could do that.  Is there a bbc ap I've overlooked or something?

The episodes were purchasable without commercial interruptions at the iTunes Store on Apple TV, either individually or as a season. 

You had to wait until the day following initial U.S. airing to view them, but I generally considered that a good trade-off.

If you want to re-watch any of them, they're all still available there.

There is also a BBC America portal on Apple TV, but either it requires a separate subscription, or the programs come with commercial interruptions. I don't exactly recall.

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On 8/19/2017 at 0:41 PM, raven said:

So Clive the cabbie told Hardy/Miller that he had a fare the night of the rape and that was his alibi with no corroboration?  It stood out to me be because Hardy said he lied about his alibi but I'm thinking, no, you didn't check it, you just took him at his word apparently.  Maybe it was covered in an earlier episode.  I just thought there would have been a line about him having an unverified alibi, as opposed to "he lied to us".   Actually he did have a fare, it was Leo and Michael. 

The lying was in the timeline. I forget the exact numbers but in his first statement, he said he was in the car with the fare at I think 9something, then in the second interview he said he was still at the house at that time, thus to overhear the stuff he said he did, and left with the fare at 10something. I think they did verify the existence of the fare in general with the cab company, but they didn't have the exact time he left the house. I forget why, or even if they presented why. But the moment Hardy was accusing him directly of lying to them was when he changed when he was or was not at the house, not the existence of the fare.

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On ‎8‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 9:25 AM, gibasi said:

I am confused about Tom.  And worried for his future.  But am I remembering wrong?  I thought he was more of an active purveyor of the porn.  Not Michael.  Didn't he say to Michael I have some new stuff or something like that?  The end where he was sitting around the table with the others and talking to the little girls?  Was I supposed to think anything about that?  I hope someone can tell me if I am mis-remembering.  At any rate I think Ellie should have her son in counseling.

I think we're supposed to take away that his interest in porn was within the normal spectrum for an adolescent.  Ellie freaked out because she's his mother. Ellie will overreact concerning her children and second-guess her impressions of people for the rest of her life after what happened with Joe.

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S3 was definitely better than s2 although much more depressing for me.  What I love most about this show is that they cast actors and actresses who look like real people.  Coleman and Tennant are what detectives should look like, not the glamorized American versions of detectives.  I hope this show is never remade for U.S. audiences.  {shudder}

I went to Dorset 2 years ago and it is gorgeous.  It looks exactly the same as on Broadchurch.  If you ever get the chance to visit, go.  I even laid down in the same spot where Dan Latimer's body was discovered.

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3 minutes ago, uoflfan said:

S3 was definitely better than s2 although much more depressing for me.  What I love most about this show is that they cast actors and actresses who look like real people.  Coleman and Tennant are what detectives should look like, not the glamorized American versions of detectives.  I hope this show is never remade for U.S. audiences.  {shudder}

I went to Dorset 2 years ago and it is gorgeous.  It looks exactly the same as on Broadchurch.  If you ever get the chance to visit, go.  I even laid down in the same spot where Dan Latimer's body was discovered.

It already was remade for US audiences - it's called Gracepoint, they changed some of the story (as well as the ending) but it was cancelled after one season so we never got to see the resolution of the cliffhanger ending to season 1.

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I finally watched the finale so I know no one will read this but.....wasn't Michael Clive's stepson, in reality?  I thought that the mother had gotten pregnant by another guy during a "break" of sorts in their relationship, and Clive married her and stayed with her (albeit unfaithfully) even though the child wasn't his.  I felt this contributed to their antagonistic relationship that we saw, despite the fact that Clive possibly raised him like a son. Am I imagining this?  Is it a scene from another show? I started to wonder with everyone here saying Michael is Clive's son.

3 hours ago, secnarf said:

It already was remade for US audiences - it's called Gracepoint, they changed some of the story (as well as the ending) but it was cancelled after one season so we never got to see the resolution of the cliffhanger ending to season 1.

You forgot to add...and it was pretty terrible.  IMHO.

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Clive was Michael's step father. I forget the details but yeah, he was the wicked step dad. I feel so terrible for Michael's poor, sad mother. I feel like part of the reason she stayed with Clive was to provide Michael with a father figure and she really would have had to try really hard to find a worse one. Sure, he sort of tried to protect Michael in the end, but had he been more fatherly before then, Michael wouldn't have been such easy prey for that psycho Leo to groom. 

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7 minutes ago, MaryPatShelby said:

I finally watched the finale so I know no one will read this but.....wasn't Michael Clive's stepson, in reality?  I thought that the mother had gotten pregnant by another guy during a "break" of sorts in their relationship, and Clive married her and stayed with her (albeit unfaithfully) even though the child wasn't his.  I felt this contributed to their antagonistic relationship that we saw, despite the fact that Clive possibly raised him like a son. Am I imagining this?  Is it a scene from another show? I started to wonder with everyone here saying Michael is Clive's son.

No, you are correct. Michael was not biologically his. I definitely think that had something to do with the animosity between them. Also, Clive's an ass. But I imagine people refer to Michael as Clive's "son", because he did raise him and it's just simpler than typing out step-son. :)

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On 9/2/2017 at 0:34 PM, ghoulina said:

No, you are correct. Michael was not biologically his. I definitely think that had something to do with the animosity between them. Also, Clive's an ass. But I imagine people refer to Michael as Clive's "son", because he did raise him and it's just simpler than typing out step-son. :)

Also, there's no "stepson" about it as he is Michael's legal father. Given the circumstances his wife described, they surely had Clive's name put on the birth certificate when Michael was born.

After (finally!) viewing this episode today, I got it in my head to go and rewatch parts of the S1 finale (the unedited version), and that reminded me that the whole Danny/Joe thing started when Mark hit Danny. Danny was tended to and comforted by Joe and that's when they began meeting; Danny was looking for a father figure because he found Mark so inadequate, and thought for a while that he'd found one in Joe, before realizing that for Joe this was not a surrogate-father/surrogate-son dynamic but something truly sick. That really struck me for a couple of reasons: 1) No wonder Mark's still fundamentally broken in a way that Beth and Chloe aren't, since he has to live both with the memory of having hit his son and with the knowledge that if he hadn't hit him, Danny would probably still be alive today. 2) It's a direct parallel to this season where Clive hitting Michael resulted in Michael falling under Leo's sway. It's interesting that twice in three seasons Chibnall has had a father hitting his son be the catalyst.

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20 hours ago, Black Knight said:

Also, there's no "stepson" about it as he is Michael's legal father. Given the circumstances his wife described, they surely had Clive's name put on the birth certificate when Michael was born.

/snip

Thank you! I agree. That bugged the shit out of me. 

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On ‎19‎.‎4‎.‎2017 at 4:56 AM, sinkwriter said:

I don't think he thinks rape is real. In his head, it's "just sex." So even though he knows logically that this thing called rape is illegal, he didn't think it's really a big deal because to him rape is "just sex." Especially, apparently, if the woman has already had sex before. 

I think there is one point which makes it hard to believe that he himself believed his defence that "it was just sex": he hit the women unconcious and tied them, in short the women he laid were like corpses.  

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On ‎19‎.‎4‎.‎2017 at 1:14 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

For me, the point is that these issues can't be cleared up in eight issues just as they can't be cleared up in eight weeks in real life. Rape culture exists and even the men who aren't rapists still have some fucked up ideas about what's appropriate behavior. It's too easy and reductionist to say that only rapists are bad. There are lots of other things that happen in regular everyday life that these men think is an acceptable way to treat women. Ian put spyware on Trish's laptop so he could FUCKING CYBERSTALK HER. He thought that was okay because he missed her (despite the fact that the reason he wasn't living at home was because he cheated on her with a coworker and moved in with his new girlfriend). He didn't rape anyone, but he violated her privacy in a really gross way. The teenage boys at school thought it was acceptable to steal and send a photo of Daisy to the entire school. With the exception of Michael, those high school boys didn't rape anyone but they treated her like an object, similar to the way Leo treated his rape victims as objects. Jim and Clive both cheated on their wives constantly. They didn't rape anyone, but they think their wives are just there to cook and clean for them, and they think it's okay to fuck any other willing woman despite being married. But heaven forbid they divorce their wives and look after themselves so they can fuck whoever they like! The overarching issue this season was that people seem to think it's okay to do things like spy on your ex-wife, cheat on your current wife, etc. as long as you can rationalize why YOU need to do this. Not everyone has Leo's exact attitude, but they are on the spectrum. "It's just sex" aka women are for objectification, which is what Maggie was trying to get across to her new boss who clearly didn't get it.

But didn't Trish also act like the men? She had sex with her co-workers husband on the same morning she was going to her birthday party and defended hersef saying that she "needed sex". 

Leaving out morality, common sense says that these kind of realationships can be revealed and cause problems, so is it worth it? It's natural to need sex, but it doesn't belong to human rights to get it (except with oneself).  

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On ‎17‎.‎8‎.‎2017 at 10:46 PM, tennisgurl said:

In a lot of ways, Leo is a much more vicious variation of what lots of characters have said and done. People just keep trying to pass off responsibility, and act like what they do isn't really That Bad. Ed, Ian, and Jim all did awful, invasive things, but they were all quick to say the "its just sex" line, or "I'm stalking her because I love her" or "I creeped on her because I miss her and she's my wife", which doesn't make them rapists, but it does show how people refuse to look at the consequences of what they do, and how it affects the people around them. You could even tie that into Katie acting like hiding that her Ed was her dad wasn't a big deal because she wanted in on the case, Marks suicide attempt, or even Trish saying exactly what Leo said about sleeping with her best friends husband (its just sex!), even if those things are less invasive and malicious. Clearly what Leo did was in a class all its own, but the rest of the characters are more "normal" people who also pass the buck, try to downplay their bad activities, or don't think about the consequences of what they do.

Sorry, I noticed just now that you have alreadyt said it about Trish.

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On ‎18‎.‎8‎.‎2017 at 7:23 PM, phantom said:

Oh, man. I'll admit some disappointment that it was essentially a random attack on Trish by someone she didn't know. Because those are the minority of sexual assaults. Though it provides some comfort to Trish that it wasn't personal but at the same time more horror because it was wrong place/wrong time and nothing else.

It had to be so, because there would be no mystery if Trish had been f.ex. on a date and said "no" but been raped. 

To Trish it was a random attack, but Leo had "a party pack" ready if there will come an opportunity.  

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3 hours ago, Roseanna said:

But didn't Trish also act like the men? She had sex with her co-workers husband on the same morning she was going to her birthday party and defended hersef saying that she "needed sex". 

Leaving out morality, common sense says that these kind of realationships can be revealed and cause problems, so is it worth it? It's natural to need sex, but it doesn't belong to human rights to get it (except with oneself).  

The worst part is, is her best friends husband really the only option? Sure, go, have sex, screw every available man in town if that's what you're into, but I can't help but think there was more to it, given who she chose to sleep with. I think it was less about just wanting sex in that moment and more about getting one up on her friend. Their friendship seemed a friendship of convenience more than an actual bond. 

And her excuse about knowing he was a cheater, that's not a free pass to betray your friend. If he chooses to cheat, that's on him, but Trish choosing to cheat with him is 100% on her. 

I do appreciate, thought, that the show made the victim pretty shady in her own right. She wasn't a saint, she wasn't a monster, she was just a person who has done good things and bad things, who made mistakes but is still a loving person who had something completely horrible done to her. She was a very complex character which really made the show so much stronger. I both hated and loved Trish at times. She was very real to me. 

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On ‎18‎.‎4‎.‎2017 at 0:14 PM, madmaverick said:

Cabbie was a creep but guess he still had a spot in his heart for his son.  

Do you mean it was positive that he tried to protect his son from being caught after he had committed a rape?

I think his motive was either misplaced solidarity between men whethe they do right or wrong or guilty feelings because he hadn't actively participated in raising him, despite his initial promise to take his girlfriend's son with another man legally as his own. Probably more the former.  

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On ‎18‎.‎4‎.‎2017 at 5:05 PM, mledawn said:

The cabbie's son was just a stupid boy who wanted the approval of an older male. His poor mother, dealing with those two jackasses for so much of her life. It wasn't that she wasn't bright, I think she was just simple - her belief system made things straightforward for her. I was so worried when she called Clive out on the keys, but again her belief system supported her decision to actively hand them over to the officers. In addition to the victims, she has my greatest sympathy.

I think that her son would have fared better if she had left her husband when she knew that he didn't keep his marriage vows, but her belief prevented it.  

On ‎18‎.‎4‎.‎2017 at 5:21 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

So where did Paul go? Did he ask to be assigned to a new church? Or did he just quit being a priest completely? It's kind of shitty for his attitude to be "well, no one wants to come to church so I'm going to abandon the five people who actually bother to come and let some new priest deal with this apathetic parish." Being a priest isn't supposed to be about you, Paul. It's about God and serving the community, however large or small it may be.

Even priests are human and it's perfectly natural that also they change work places. I think that Paul simply felt that he had done and given all he could and it would be also for the good of the community that there would be a new priest. 

On ‎19‎.‎4‎.‎2017 at 11:20 AM, Christina said:

Broadchurch has shown how a crime can create ripples throughout the community and make everyone and everything suspicious

And that's why Paul was needed to offer the opposite to this tendency that Hardy so effecticely taught Miller in S1. A community can't work without elemental trust, that is, one trusts people until one is proven otherwise.

I began to think anew many series where a detective singlemindedly seaches for the culprit by suspecting everyone in turn and this is presented only as a admirable pursuit for justice - how it affects the families or community is ignored.  

On ‎17‎.‎8‎.‎2017 at 6:08 AM, dragonsbite said:

 

  • Why would people keep incriminating evidence on a phone? I store my secret files in Google drive...much easier to access from multiple devices. ;-)

Because they believe that they wouldn't ever be caught.   

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I thought the Broadchurch Team pulled a rabbit out of their hat and delivered a well paced, compelling and excellently acted final series.  I would quibble only that certain aspects wrt to the brutality and deviance of these rapes was (imho) irresponsibly downplayed.  Knocking women unconscious is likely to eventually lead to permanent injury, even death.  The deviance of having (by choice and manipulation) sexual intercourse with an unconscious person ** is in its own world of deviance/perversion , (** and as we learned later, a pretty much a total stranger chosen because of they were alone in a deserted location).  Not even to mention to be always packing the rape kit should the opportunity present itself.  These aren't remotely "typical", nor does "toxic masculinity" explain much (if anything).  It was frustrating that Trish was, in fact, absolutely "innocent" almost random victim and that the rapist's "guilt" was diffused by the presence of his "mentor" (do rapists teach others their predatory techniques? really??)  

Truly, shouldn't overthink it.  I watched the first episode with some intrepidation expecting more emotional roiling and churning and was delighted it was so fast moving and "procedural."  I really missed having a "wise old woman" ... (Charlotte Rampling /  Jocelyn Knight or someone like her) to offer some historical background/legal insight.   

Obviously this was made and originally broadcast before America's current volcanic eruption of reports of widespread/endemic sexual harrassment of women ... but its a subject that deserves more than "toxic masculinity" or "men are evil" as explanation. 

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18 hours ago, SusanSunflower said:

I thought the Broadchurch Team pulled a rabbit out of their hat and delivered a well paced, compelling and excellently acted final series.  I would quibble only that certain aspects wrt to the brutality and deviance of these rapes was (imho) irresponsibly downplayed.  Knocking women unconscious is likely to eventually lead to permanent injury, even death.  The deviance of having (by choice and manipulation) sexual intercourse with an unconscious person ** is in its own world of deviance/perversion , (** and as we learned later, a pretty much a total stranger chosen because of they were alone in a deserted location).  Not even to mention to be always packing the rape kit should the opportunity present itself.  These aren't remotely "typical", nor does "toxic masculinity" explain much (if anything).  It was frustrating that Trish was, in fact, absolutely "innocent" almost random victim and that the rapist's "guilt" was diffused by the presence of his "mentor" (do rapists teach others their predatory techniques? really??)  

All your remarks are true enough, but the drama demanded those matters.

In the same way, most killings irl, at least in our country, are rather simple: two drunken outcast men quarrel. One can do novels about it, but not like Broadchurch S1 where everyone was suspect.    

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I felt they were very strong on the importance of reporting rape, for yourself and for the community at large.  Virtually no child murder goes unreported by (innocent) parents, and yet, a series of 3 rapes with the same M.O., over several years were not linked because the first two went unreported (and we saw that the victims were not really able to just "shake it off" and get on with their lives) and Trish was treated with respect, dignity and sensitivity even as she was revealed have several popularly assumed to be nullifying check boxes ticked off (she'd drunk quite a lot, had several boyfriends at the party, was behaving flirtatiously, had betrayed her best friend (slut), etc.)   Both victims and those who read about such stories know the blame-the-victim check boxes.  In the end, Trish was simply "prey" who fit into the scheme of the hunters. 

Still "most rapists" do not knock out their targets with blows to the head sufficient to render them unconscious (dragging an unconscious person to a place of seclusion -- difficult) and I'm doubtful even the most attention-starved, hormonally challenged 14 year old would be excited by such sadomaschistic sex ... that seems to me would need a few years of woman-hating rejection-fueled gestation, maybe a groomed 19 year old (unless the 14 year old had experience as a victim or a years of violent porn focused grooming) ... as I said originally, the degree of deviance (and legal special circumstances) seemed to multiply and I keep being dismayed by the growing "normalcy" of "slipping something" into a woman's drink .... so the man can rape with a virtually comatose woman (shudder) ... which is, imho, rather different than getting a female acquaintance drunk on a date or at a party in hopes of -- urgh -- "getting lucky". 

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Interesting 3rd series and thought it was a good idea to introduce a procedural with a new crime, while taking some time to finish loose ends from the 1st and 2nd series. Love the pace of this show with 8 eps of 45 mins feeling right for my attention span.

Just overall felt a little to "neat" with the criminal having the rubber gloves on hand, but then storing video evidence of himself all along. Thought the crime was too brutal and random for the perpetrator - based on his age seems he'd be oafishly victimizing peers rather than clinically raping a 50 year old; then the cabdriver's son seemed too remorseful to execute the crime. Some other scenes from the series - like Miller's elderly father showing up with poor opinions about women - weren't gifting us with subtlety and nuance, traits which seemed more present in the first two series. Those were emotional and sad, and fit with the elegaic Olafur Arnalds soundtrack.

But I really liked Broadchurch - given the Hardy-esque pacing, setting and characters with two compelling lead detectives, it was hard not to enjoy this series.

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I'm sad to see so much hatred directed towards Mark Latimore since his "toxic grief" is actually not that uncommon ... I worked with a woman who talked about her dead son as if he was recently "departed" when it was 7 years earlier when he was 7 (and she was raising two younger children from that marriage which did also not survive).  I was impressed by Beth's love for Mark even as she had no inclination to continue in the relationship  and had ruled out indulging in a "pity fuck" for old times sake.  Again this was a subject that needed a "wise old woman" or even beth doing some tedious exposition.  I knew my co-worker for almost 5 years, during which time she remarried and had another kid and was still often to be found talking about her dead son (though not as much).  During his illness, her identity was utterly consumed in being his "mom" and his caretaker, defender and chief bottlewasher, and she received enormous (well-earned) validation, but it still gnawed that despite everything she and everyone else did to save his life (cancer) ... they failed.  Mark in addition has both reasonable and unreasonable guilt about what he might have done, should have noticed, should have done ... the loss of a child as far as I've witnessed is as bad as everyone says. I'm glad Beth and their little boy will not have to live with Mark's (successful) suicide.   Now that he knows that -- in real life -- the slitting of a guilty throat solves nothing and that he doesn't even have an appetite for the spilling of blood ... maybe he'll move on.  Law enforcement and the media  love the "eye for an eye" meme, but victim's families often are more willing to simply accept and, to some degree (reality circumstances usually) forgive. 

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On 4/18/2017 at 1:52 AM, Ravenya003 said:

If this is the end for Ellie and Hardy, then it ended on a high note. "Want to get a drink at the pub?" "No, see you tomorrow." HA. That was perfect. 

Yes, it was perfect. :)

I just finished my binge of this series.  If someone point me to another British series that is as good (or nearly so) until The Crown comes back, I would be very grateful.

So sad that I won't get another "Millah!"  Ellie and Hardy were fantastic together.

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3 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Yes, it was perfect. :)

I just finished my binge of this series.  If someone point me to another British series that is as good (or nearly so) until The Crown comes back, I would be very grateful.

So sad that I won't get another "Millah!"  Ellie and Hardy were fantastic together.

I would recommend 'No Offence'  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3922704/?ref_=nv_sr_1

It is considerably lighter in tone (although that wouldn't be difficult), but it's a good watch.  It's broadcast on Channel 4, so they should still have the box set available online. 

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On 12/17/2018 at 3:15 PM, laurakaye said:

Yes, it was perfect. :)

I just finished my binge of this series.  If someone point me to another British series that is as good (or nearly so) until The Crown comes back, I would be very grateful.

So sad that I won't get another "Millah!"  Ellie and Hardy were fantastic together.

Bodyguard is on Netflix :)

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