Bosch: Legacy - General Discussion

[Bort]

Veronica bludgeoned the priest who had some of her money (and was refusing to give it back because she had no proof that it was hers) and set it up to look like he had come after her with scissors, thus being self-defense.

I wonder if season 3 will give us some closure as to whether she managed to squirm out of the murder charge.

[Bama]

Enjoyed it.

 

As many have said, not groundbreaking TV by any stretch but it's got such great source material that it would be kind of hard to make it terrible.

 

I love a good binge watch so Amazon/Netflix shows are like catnip to me.

 

This show doesn't keep me up for 10-13 straight hours to get to the end like some others (HoC, Daredevil, Jessica Jones) but it was a great way to procrastinate cleaning my house this weekend.

[zxy556575]

I enjoyed it a lot, which can mostly be summed up as: Titus! I'm happy just watching him inhabit Bosch. It's nice to be able to spend time with these people again; the mystery is secondary to the characters and evocative settings for me.

 

I thought there was going to be an answer or surprise of some sort as to what Eleanor and Reggie had been fighting about and why he walked out, but if so I missed it. I don't mind Maddie in "the daughter" role as fuel for Bosch's emotional turmoil, but she's more of a construct at this point than a fleshed-out person. I also don't find Eleanor very compelling; she's just there for the requisite disapproval.

 

Not sure what qualities skeezy Nash had that would attract both Jeri Ryan and the pretty vet, but I need to let that slide or I'd never watch any movies or TV. It's also possible that Veronica was deliberately using him, although she did sell loving and wanting to be with him.

[Irlandesa]

I love how this show looks.  It's just so absolutely gorgeous.  It could be the worst plot on the planet and I'd probably enjoy the visuals of it all. 

 

And I absolutely adore the theme song too. It absolutely gets me in the mood for noir. 

 

As for S1 vs. S2, I don't know which season I preferred.  I wasn't a fan of the serial killer story so I preferred the mob story with all of its twists. I  think the only thing that I didn't like about is that everything was pretty much solved by episode six and we had to wait four more episodes for it all to wrap up.  Four episodes feels like a bit too many to wrap it up. 

 

I watched both seasons pretty much straight through (S1 was 5 and 5 and this season was one yesterday and the rest today) and now I'm sad I won't have this show until Season 3--assuming there will be a S3.  That's the one negative about streaming. 

I love how this show looks.  It's just so absolutely gorgeous.  It could be the worst plot on the planet and I'd probably enjoy the visuals of it all. 

 

And I absolutely adore the theme song too. It absolutely gets me in the mood for noir. 

 

As for S1 vs. S2, I don't know which season I preferred.  I wasn't a fan of the serial killer story so I preferred the mob story with all of its twists. I  think the only thing that I didn't like about is that everything was pretty much solved by episode six and we had to wait four more episodes for it all to wrap up.  Four episodes feels like a bit too many to wrap it up. 

 

I watched both seasons pretty much straight through (S1 was 5 and 5 and this season was one yesterday and the rest today) and now I'm sad I won't have this show until Season 3--assuming there will be a S3.  That's the one negative about streaming. 

[Bort]

Not sure what qualities skeezy Nash had that would attract both Jeri Ryan and the pretty vet, but I need to let that slide or I'd never watch any movies or TV. It's also possible that Veronica was deliberately using him, although she did sell loving and wanting to be with him.

I don't know about the vet (what the hell WAS that about anyway?) but I'm pretty sure the only thing that attracted Jeri Ryan to Nash was his willingness to bump off her husband. She planted those pictures in his place right quick.

[FinnishViewer]

 

She planted those pictures in his place right quick

Did they ever explain, how she got those pictures to plant them? Did she take the pictures?

[gwhh]

I like the series. 

 

The only change that is very different from the books is that Bosch and the black deputy LAPD chief are allies in the tv series or at the very least frenemy.  In the books they are bitter enemies for decades and hate each other with a passion! 

 

They are doing a good job in talking all the books and blending them together for the series. 

[FinnishViewer]

 

Trunk Music (the porn/mob guy's murder), The Drop (Irving's son's death), and The Last Coyote (his mother's murder)

While the subjects are the same as in the books, they've changed a lot of the details and circumstances. Solving his mother's murder was a lot more convoluted in the book. Irving's son's death had nothing to do with him being under cover, and there are no connections between his death with the mob guy's death in the book.

 

It'll be interesting to see what they plan to do with the Eleanor and daughter characters in season 3 if they get renewed, because their character arcs have deviated quite a bit now compared to the books.

[benteen]

I really enjoyed Bosch Season 2.  It has a terrific cast (with a lot of recognizable faces), good writing and dialogue and great location shooting.  The location shooting really adds a gritty and grounded element to the story.

 

Welliver continues to kill it in the lead role.  He’s got a strong cast around him and I like Jamie Hector as Jay Edgar a lot.  Jeri Ryan and Brent Saxton were good additions to the cast (does Brent always play a corrupt cop?).  I did have to laugh at Saxton playing a guy who had two good-looking women making out with him.  I’m a fan of Annie Wersching so I did miss her even if her character was becoming unbearable at the end.  I kept thinking while I was watching the show that Rykov looked a lot like Matthew Lillard and I was surprised when it turned out it WAS Matthew Lillard.  He was really good on the show.  Lance Reddick did excellent with some really good material this season.

 

I did feel though that the central case this season wasn’t as interesting or as high stakes as the Season 1 case.  Though I do appreciate how this season didn’t cling to its central storyline like so many other shows do.  It gave them greater flexibility and I really was hooked on Bosch’s attempt to find his mother’s murderer at the end.

 

This show is definitely shy of greatness but that’s not a knock on it.  I will say this is a perfect binge watching show.  Ten episodes, 42-49 minutes each.  It doesn’t wear out its welcome.  I wish Season 3 was here already (and I assume we’ll be getting a Season 3).

Edited March 17, 2016 by benteen

[auntiemel]

If they do get renewed for Season 3 and they have the budget to shoot in Hong Kong, it would be interesting to see them do Nine Dragons.

 

It'll be interesting to see what they plan to do with the Eleanor and daughter characters in season 3 if they get renewed, because their character arcs have deviated quite a bit now compared to the books.

[CalicoskiesNC]

I love this representation of the Bosch books. The guy playing Bosch may be younger but is dead on correct to the Bosch in my head. I love him. Really hoping for season 3.

[preeya]

I really enjoyed Bosch Season 2.  It has a terrific cast (with a lot of recognizable faces), good writing and dialogue and great location shooting.  The location shooting really adds a gritty and grounded element to the story.

 

Welliver continues to kill it in the lead role.  He’s got a strong cast around him and I like Jamie Hector as Jay Edgar a lot.  Jeri Ryan and Brent Saxton were good additions to the cast (does Brent always play a corrupt cop?).  I did have to laugh at Saxton playing a guy who had two good-looking women making out with him.  I’m a fan of Annie Wersching so I did miss her even if her character was becoming unbearable at the end.  I kept thinking while I was watching the show that Rykov looked a lot like Matthew Lillard and I was surprised when it turned out it WAS Matthew Lillard.  He was really good on the show.  Lance Reddick did excellent with some really good material this season.

 

I did feel though that the central case this season wasn’t as interesting or as high stakes as the Season 1 case.  Though I do appreciate how this season didn’t cling to its central storyline like so many other shows do.  It gave them greater flexibility and I really was hooked on Bosch’s attempt to find his mother’s murderer at the end.

 

This show is definitely shy of greatness but that’s not a knock on it.  I will say this is a perfect binge watching show.  Ten episodes, 42-49 minutes each.  It doesn’t wear out its welcome.  I wish Season 3 was here already (and I assume we’ll be getting a Season 3).

Yes, I enjoyed it also. Hoping for a S03 too. If it's not renewed that would be a shame. Looks as if Sarah Clarke will have a more prominent role. The actress playing Layla looked like she could have been a Khardashian relative.

Edited March 20, 2016 by preeya

[Captanne]

I liked it -- more than I liked Series One.  I'm new to the character, having not read the books, and I agree with the poster who has been watching a lot of Scandinavian noir that this seems sort of pedantic.  I found some of the acting leaden and the writing high-schoolish but only in the way a very competent orchestra hits the occasional wrong note.  

 

I think this is a strong show and is only getting better.  I love the LA noir, particularly because I'm such an East Coast, Mid-Atlantic to New England person and seeing practical LA like this gives me a bit of a shake up.   (You mean LA isn't just Kardashians and slow, incriminating car chases down the freeways a al OJ?)

[leighdear]

I loved season 1, and I loved this season also.  Very different story lines, but compelling for me nonetheless.  I watched it all today, and since it's been a year since I watched season 1, I don't compare them.  

 

Fun fact: in the flashback scenes to young Harry with his mother, he was played by Titus's real-life son, Quinn.  I like details like that.  But I was disappointed her death was wrapped up so minimally and Harry didn't really get closure.  

 

I liked everybody and didn't think there were many extraneous characters..  Strangely, I find Matthew Lilliard aging into a pretty sexy guy.  He was "adorkable" long before that label was ever created for chicks like Zoey Deschanel.   I liked his look.  Also interesting for me is that his real name was Luke, but he was called Lucky. (General Hospital fans?)

 

I'm also a die-hard streamer, so I'll probably wait a few months and do both seasons again, back-to-back. 

 

And there better be a season 3.  How else will we find out what happens with Reggie?

[Ina123]

I'm a die-hard Michael Connelly fan so I'm a Harry fan from the first book. Since they've made Harry younger and not a Nam vet, we won't get any scenes where Harry is reminded of his tunnel rat days.

 

I watched S1 to be reminded before I binged on S2 this weekend. S2 had a long way to go to top S1 because what Bosch fan didn't totally enjoy watching Harry throw Pounds through that glass window. Of course, if you've read the books you knew Harry would be back.

 

S2 actually rose to the occasion. I believe this is the first time that I have thought a TV show or movie lived up to the books. Welliver has Harry down pat. Hard-core with softness. I guess Harry having to rescue Maddie in this season means they won't do a Hong Kong venue.

 

My big question for a S3 would be how closely Eleanor and Harry will work now that she can go back to a government agency. It also makes me wonder if Eleanor becomes like Rachael Walling to Bosch...his go-to guy for Fibbie info.

 

I really like the way stories are told. We have a scene where Maddie rattles the jar of shell casings with no explanation of the meaning. Then several episodes later, Harry picks up a casing at George Irving's 21 gun salute and comes home and places it in the jar. Later he explains it to Irving because Irving saw him pick it up. I like it when a little bit is left to figure out.

 

Also, like someone said above, Harry made a killing off of a movie based on one of his cases. It was called "Echo Park" and there's a framed copy of the movie bill hanging on the wall in Harry's home.

 

It was good to see Kiz is being included in the series. If the season's continue and follow the books, she'll have a bigger role.

[Voice of Joy]

Long time fan of the Bosch book series here. It took me three or four episodes to really warm up to Welliver as Bosch. He was different looking in my mind - always a problem after one has read so many books with a recurring character. But he's won me over. It was also a bit jarring to start so far into the series and see the plots all mixed up, but I went with the flow and really enjoyed it, especially the second season. The casting is excellent in general, and they manage to reproduce the tense conflict that drives the books so well.

Particularly nice detail - they emphasize the hallways whenever possible. Those long, dark, enclosed spaces are no doubt as a shout out to Bosch's fear of dark tunnels. I am gratified father/daugher relationship rings genuine as well.

I hope there's a Season 3, even though the book set in Hong Kong is by far my least favorite of the series.

[Prevailing Wind]

When S1 first came out, there were ads all over broadcast TV.  I got the 30-day free trial of Prime just to watch it via my Roku stick.  I had NO idea S2 had come out - serious lack of promotion, at least on the shows I watch...how did I ever see the ads last year?

 

Anyway, after a recent purchase of a Kindle, I've got another 30-day free trial and I'm probably keeping APrime now.  I've only watched through Ep. 6 and I'm loving it.  Welliver IS Harry Bosch.  ...so what the hell is he doing making a Comcast commercial?  Yikes.

[90PercentGravity]

Titus Welliver tends to turn away from the other actors when he delivers his lines. He looks at them when they are talking, then turns to the left to respond. Sometimes he turns his whole body. It's driving me crazy.

[Irlandesa]

I've seen some ads on TV this year.  Not as many as there were last year but they probably think people know about the show and are looking for it.

[Irlandesa]

Sorry to double post but I just read Bosch is officially a go for a 10 ep season 3. I expected it but I'm happy it's official.

[Prevailing Wind]

<sigh> I guess that means I really should keep Amazon Prime.  Do NOT wanna miss any Welliver/Bosch.

[zxy556575]

<sigh> I guess that means I really should keep Amazon Prime. Do NOT wanna miss any Welliver/Bosch.

 

I've been thinking about not renewing it this year, either. At least Hulu and Netflix let you suspend or cancel your account at no charge, then restart it. But not Jeffy!

[FinnishViewer]

Michael Connelly tweeted that season 3 will be based on Black Echo and elements from A Darkness More Than Night

[FinnishViewer]

 

Speaking of Maddie - I was so irritated in episode 10 - a girl, who looked like she was at least 8-10, comes up to Maddie - a perfect stranger - in the playground and asks her to push her on the swings.  I realize they couldn't have a 5 yo do it, but still.  And then - Maddie requests (and gets) a "group hug" "Maddie sandwich" in public - ugh.  Yeah, I get that there was a profound message about childhood/family ties, but really?

I don't know if there was some profound message for that scene, but I understand the little girl was played by Titus Welliver's daughter, and his son played the young Bosch in the flashbacks.

[FinnishViewer]

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Though some of the styling choices are interesting, like how Eleanor appears to be affluent and stylish but seems to wear zero make-up.  Though Bosch's redhead love interest last season also seemed to prefer the no makeup look. 

Do women in law enforcement usually wear much make up?

[Ina123]

On 5/31/2016 at 11:35 AM, Winston9-DT3 said:

Welliver is a good Bosch but I kind of wish he'd lose the paunch and buff up a bit.  He's short and pudgy and has sloped shoulders and this show is so visual... it'd be nice if he was a bit hotter.  Or maybe everyone looks short and pudgy next to Lance Reddick.  

 

He's 6' tall. Even if his bio lies and he's 5'-11", that's tall enough. I know I always have to make allowances because I keep my tv screen set to full screen all the time so I can see better, but it makes everyone squat and pudgy.

[Guest]

I think he just looks short next to Reddick, who's 6'4".  

Women in law enforcement on tv usually wear makeup.  And heels, which is taking it a bit far, I think.  

[Raja]

On 5/31/2016 at 8:35 AM, Winston9-DT3 said:

Welliver is a good Bosch but I kind of wish he'd lose the paunch and buff up a bit.  He's short and pudgy and has sloped shoulders and this show is so visual... it'd be nice if he was a bit hotter.  Or maybe everyone looks short and pudgy next to Lance Reddick.    

It is the opposite of Tom Cruise and the Jack Reacher thing. Bosch started off as a Vietnam Tunnel Rat, updated for TV into being in a tunnel during the 100 hour ground war of  Gulf War I. And Tunnel rats where chosen in part for being short.

[zxy556575]

Bish, bash, sexual attractiveness is personal and whatever. While I have definite issues with men like C.K. and John Thaw being portrayed as chick magnets on their shows, I fully buy into Welliver's masculine appeal. Sloped shoulders or not!

I don't think he's particularly short, though. FWIW, the Internet gives his height as 6'.

Edited August 27, 2016 by lordonia

[KaleyFirefly]

Watched all of season 1 so far...enjoyed it. I love Titus Welliver, Jamie Hector from "The Wire," and Lance Reddick...very good actors and always interesting to watch. I love a good brooding detective show.

[benteen]

Wasn't sure where to put this but the show has been renewed for a FOURTH season now.

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, benteen said:

Wasn't sure where to put this but the show has been renewed for a FOURTH season now.

Maybe the all episodes thread in case people don't want to be spoiled?  But this is great news!  I am looking forward to the new season.

[Raja]

On 3/11/2016 at 8:21 AM, KateeBar said:

 

I just wish the showrunners could have kicked Bosch's love of jazz to the curb. I can take the soundtrack's jazzy undertones to a degree, but please don't make me watch too many scenes in an actual jazz club. Gah. Personal preference, of course. 

I remember a lifetime ago a music magazine had a paragraph on a kid Grace Kelly on the school jazz festival scene. So she made it as a pro.

 

In the second season I was ready to start fast forwarding the story of the Chief's son until they finally combined the cases. The last episode seemed like an epilogue and let down. While the bang bang of J. Edgar and Bosch being outgunned and in a poor tactical position taking out a guy with a machine gun was exciting I was expecting a last call for J. Edgar since the scene reminded me of Christopher Donner when he took out one of the SWAT team.

 

I guess a quick scene in season 3 will tell us what ultimately happened to the wife and the mistress.

[mansonlamps]

I can't get over how much Jason Gedrick and Jason Ritter resemble each other.  And how good Jason Gedrick looks for his age.

[anniebird]

I just finished watching Season 1 and I really enjoyed it. They nailed the whole LA noir thing with the music and the visuals. My only nitpick was the McClaren Hall subplot - my brother was director of McClaren Hall in the 70's and it bore absolutely no resemblance to the Bosch story. It was actually a place for kids to be housed temporarily while parents were hospitalized or incarcerated and it was run more like a boarding school  with probation officers. Also, there were no torture chambers.

Edited February 7, 2017 by anniebird
clarity

[Irlandesa]

The show returns April 21st.  I feel like it has been forever.  I hope the next season can come faster than 13 months.  

I'm happy because I am off that day already.

[OoogleEyes]

On 8/26/2016 at 11:36 PM, Raja said:

It is the opposite of Tom Cruise and the Jack Reacher thing. Bosch started off as a Vietnam Tunnel Rat, updated for TV into being in a tunnel during the 100 hour ground war of  Gulf War I. And Tunnel rats where chosen in part for being short.

I will never ever forgive HollywoodMovieLand for casting Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher.

Now, I'm reading the Bosch novels. Wish me luck!

[OoogleEyes]

I'm re-watctching season two; you guys are right, how the heck did Brent Sexton get all of the pretty ladies?

[LizBug]

Finished season one a week or so ago and nearly finished with season two.  While I love Bosch's house on the hill and can buy the explanation for such a fab pad, it's not what I pictured after reading the books.  The house in the books wasn't nearly so open with entire walls of windows.  It had places where Bosch could hide when the bad guys came around casing his joint.  In this house, he'd be a sitting target.  

Not going to let this detail detract from my overall enjoyment of the series.

[Bort]

Season 3 drops on April 21.

Also, apparently, Bosch was renewed for season 4 back in October.

[LizBug]

Official Amazon blurb ... 

Angered by the truths behind his mother's murder, LAPD detective Harry Bosch struggles to find integrity in an imperfect justice system. The killing of a homeless veteran, the suicide of a serial killing suspect, and the high-profile murder trial of a Hollywood director pits Bosch against ruthless opponents who all threaten to destroy him. BOSCH Season 3 promises to be the most compelling yet.

And sneak peek ... https://www.amazon.com/BOSCH-S3-Sneak-Peek/dp/B01M5IQN6O

[EtheltoTillie]

My husband and I listen to the Bosch novels on audiobook in the car.  Titus Welliver is now the reader for all the new novels. 

[zxy556575]

Oh, dear. I'm just digging into this but didn't remember the plot being a continuation from last season. There were some previouslies, but not enough for my colander TV brain.

[FastLou]

5 hours ago, Lord Donia said:

Oh, dear. I'm just digging into this but didn't remember the plot being a continuation from last season. There were some previouslies, but not enough for my colander TV brain.

I am about halfway through and there is very little plot stuff from the prior seasons beyond some relationship stuff. The cases are completely new.

 

im als enjoying it very much. It's so beautifully shot and by focusing on multiple cases the pacing doesn't drag like so many other shows.

[Prevailing Wind]

I'm halfway through S3. Having cold excuses one from obligatory housework and encourages being a couch potato. No wonder I caught a cold. I was preparing for a Bosch Binge.

As long as the litterboxes are clean, the cats are happy to have me vegetate in front of the TV - lots of quality lap time, y'know.

I never actually had a mind's eye picture of what Harry looked like as I read the books, but from now on, he looks like Welliver.  Excellent choice, in my opinion. The cats don't care.

Just please, PLEASE do not have McConawhosis show up as Mickey Haller.

[Ina123]

On ‎3‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 6:13 PM, OoogleEyes said:

I will never ever forgive HollywoodMovieLand for casting Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher.

Now, I'm reading the Bosch novels. Wish me luck!

I'm a slobbering, unabashed Jack Reacher fan from the original "Killing Floor" in the late 90s. That Hollywood managed to take Reacher from 6'5", 220-250 lbs., and a 50" chest and turn him into puny Cruise was an abomination. I refuse to see the Cruise movies and never will.

Titus Welliver is a better match, maybe not in physical size but he's also not a "pretty BOY" like Cruise so I can go along with him. I also like his voice for the audiobooks. I'm completely onboard with Welliver, now. He's an awesome combination of tough and tender-hearted (when necessary). That's how I see Bosch.

[zxy556575]

Titus plays Bosch as so controlled and quiet that I kind of got a kick out of him rudely shutting Anita down when she offered to still be friends. He doesn't see the need for that, Anita!

Anyway, Bosch's relationships with Jerry and Lt. Billets are more interesting than any of his romantic entanglements.

As always in every cop show I can think of, the kids are the worst. They're never developed enough to be interesting on their own and only exist as (usually annoying) plot devices. Please continue to bite me, Maddie.

[DoubleUTeeEff]

4 hours ago, Ina123 said:

I'm a slobbering, unabashed Jack Reacher fan from the original "Killing Floor" in the late 90s. That Hollywood managed to take Reacher from 6'5", 220-250 lbs., and a 50" chest and turn him into puny Cruise was an abomination. I refuse to see the Cruise movies and never will.

Titus Welliver is a better match, maybe not in physical size but he's also not a "pretty BOY" like Cruise so I can go along with him.

They should have cast Liam Neeson for the Jack Reacher movies.

One thing I really like about this show is that there are several older, rough-looking actors, men and women both.  I'm not saying that they are unattractive, just that they look like they've lived through some shit.

Edited April 24, 2017 by DoubleUTeeEff
grammar

[zxy556575]

Well, I got through it but not happily.

I'm not claiming it doesn't happen or isn't realistic, but I'm personally sick of stories about adults whose obsession with a dead parent takes over their lives. Move on, already!

I was a little let down with this season and am unsure if I'd be up for more. I feel like the entire arc could have been told in a 90 minute movie. Guess I kind of agree with Jerry that I'm not sure I want to be Bosch's partner any more; his sketchiness and lone wolf rule-breaking are getting to be tiresome.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Lord Donia

[mjc570]

I finished season 3 and, generally, liked it.  Agree that I'm not really a fan of multi-season story lines about the dead parent, but this doggedness totally fits Bosch's character.  I don't care about his mother or who killed her, but I assume that the real conflict next season is going to be between Bosch and Chief Irving.  Or, as usual, I've completely misread it, and they are actually going to be real allies.  Also don't really care about the ex-wife or Maddie, just want much more of my faves, Crate and Barrell.