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S06.E09: Dead In the Water


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2 minutes ago, Kira53 said:

The end was cut off from my dvr.  Last thing was Fitzgerald and Olivia hug.  Anything else happen?  Were there previews?

Quinn screamed at Huck to wake up and stop looking out for everyone else and she would be his blind spot. He woke up as she was walking out, she crawled into his bed, Charlie watched from outside the room and looked sad Abby walked out of the hospital and sat outside, Liv followed and held her hand as Abby started crying.

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Previews are a what if Olivia never fixed the election for Fitz.

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Whew. That episode was all over the place. 

Huck is alive. Yay? I thought the slapping scene with Liv and Abby was pretty terrible. And the torture scene. If Charlie who tortures for fun had to look away, it's too much. Shudders. 

It might have been cheesy but I liked the scene with Charlie and Olivia. But that could be my residual love for the actor as Brian Mackenzie in the Father of the Bride movies that I absolutely loved when I was younger. 

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Huck should be dead.  Shot 3x times, no medical help, and moving around excessively should have had him bleeding out.  Also, one door was blocked, but no thought to check the other three?!?!  Guess it was the blood loss that hampered his thinking.  Too bad his hallucinations didn't tell him to try the other doors.

But, it was obvious that he wasn't going to die since his "girlfriend" didn't shoot him in the head.  She shot the woman in the head, but shot Huck everywhere else but the head.  Guess she was feeling sentimental.  Although, not enough to stuff him in a trunk and dump him in a river.  Extremely poor writing.

It seems the show tries to write itself out of situations but only make it worse.  Typical Scandal episode.  Dilemma until the last 10 minutes, or so, and then Olivia and company come up with a solution.  And, in many cases, you'd think they would have thought of from the beginning.

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I knew the idea of Huck not being around anymore was too good to be true. Of course he survives after being shot multiple times, stuffed in a trunk, underwater, and then being exposed to the elements. Of course he survives just like a killer in one of those ridiculous horror movies. Of course. 

The scene with Olivia repeatedly slapping the crap out of the woman who used to be abused and then calling her worthless and threatening her? Was disgusting, as was Quinn threatening to kill Abby. 

This show's penchant for torture porn and brutal murder? Is sickening. 

The characters referring to anyone being a "white hat" and/or "gladiator" without even the slightest sense of irony is asinine and remarkably tone deaf.

Jake and Charlie smiling at the end of Olivia's speechifying like they were so proud of her . . . oh, please. 

The President of the United States stopping what he's doing to go to the hospital while his former mistress grieves over the potential loss of her hitman? Olivia telling him it was selfish of Abby to tell him her secrets? And then Olivia's head not exploding from the hypocrisy? One torturer feeling bad that his fiancee - another torturer - is fawning all over yet another, uber crazy torturer? Oh, for the love of . . . 

And, yeah, Fitz is now the most likable person on this show. That sort of says it all.

I really and truly do not understand how any of this is supposed to be entertaining.

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I'll pose my standard weekly question: the writers want me to despise Olivia, right? I really liked the construct of Huck rescuing himself. then they focused on Olivia Regina George-ing up the place.

I stopped watching Grey's last season but apparently according to the preview Meredith might die from plane crashes again.  

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After I continually tried to get over the fact that there is no terrain outside DC that looks like that, Huck's survival was ridiculous.  Guy is shot and is shown bleeding out but yet,  he lives and somehow manages to 'escape'.  Yeah, try another door.  It was all too much.   Other stupid things:  Olivia and Jake are 'walking' to find Huck.  How did they get him out?  Why did it take them so long to think of pinging and tracking cell phones?  It's all become so ridiculous as opposed to clever writing.  The show needs to go back to its roots. 

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I think I said it last week that the show has cried dead too many times. I knew Huck was going to be fine because they would never do that. 

I was laughing throughout the scene when Abby got slapped by Olivia. For various reasons. One being that yay Abby got slapped and two almost everyone on this show should be slapped a lot. Also this exchange happened between the people I was watching with:

"why is she slapping her all those times when she's holding an iPad and she could hit with that and cause more damage?"

"yeah but iPads are expensive ". Amazing. Sometimes the commentary in my real life is better than this show.

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Ugh why cant Huck just die. The character and actor suck so bad. So much time wasted on if he will make it. Was I supposed to be on the edge of my seat and upset about what was going on? Definitely not..I was wishing and hoping he would somehow die. Of course he's gonna make it. Stupid.

 

The evil lady needs to fuck off. Can't even stand watching her scenes.

 

I really liked Olivia's black jacket. That was my fave part of the whole show lol.

 

Next episode is a parallel universe episode? What a total joke! This whole season has been nothing!

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The evil lady was pretty awesome on the phone to Abby: "don't call me anymore, I don't like you". She gets points for that. I do however question her for getting involved with Abby in the first place. I get that Abby was the in but Abby's an idiot. And also can never keep her mouth shut. Evil Lady should have done more research on her.

Speaking of which.. Abby told Fitz the deal right? And he's going to do.. nothing? He's still president for the time being, Abby just told him some people set up killing the president elect and are the ones who framed Cyrus so Mellie would get elected and also she had a hand in it and his whole tgjing o Liv was "you should forgive her". This show constantly leaves me flabbergasted. Again I ask is Fitz supposed to be a good president? 

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3 hours ago, PsychoDrone said:

It seems the show tries to write itself out of situations but only make it worse.  Typical Scandal episode.  Dilemma until the last 10 minutes, or so, and then Olivia and company come up with a solution.  And, in many cases, you'd think they would have thought of from the beginning.

And it's a dilemma they created for themselves in the first place.

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3 hours ago, weathered1 said:

The scene with Olivia repeatedly slapping the crap out of the woman who used to be abused and then calling her worthless and threatening her? Was disgusting, as was Quinn threatening to kill Abby.

Omg I hadn't even thought of that, that is AWFUL!!! I'm actually tearing up thinking about it now... :(

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More bizarre plot writing but I thought that Katie Lowes was great tonight.  The depth of Quinn's rage was palpable and the torture scene was as gruesome as you could want (or not want).  George Newbern was also excellent. He and Katie play off each other so well.  Of course, Charlie now wonders whether Quinn is really in love with Huck so that will be interesting to watch.  After last week's train wreck tonight was at least more watchable even with its absurdities.

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4 hours ago, rebeccalj said:

Am I alone in being sad that Huck is alive?  

His being alive and living through all those bullets and blood loss, drowning, etc.. is the more stupidest thing. 

Olivia can die anytime, she threatened Abby with a chair. Yet Liv acts like she's all high and mighty. She's a murderer and she knows it.

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3 hours ago, weathered1 said:

The scene with Olivia repeatedly slapping the crap out of the woman who used to be abused and then calling her worthless and threatening her? Was disgusting, as was Quinn threatening to kill Abby. 

I didn't think of this either but probably because within the context of the universe/situation Olivia being angry made sense. The first thing Abby should have done was get word to Olivia what was going on when the organization threatened her. Olivia is a fixer, Jake could have helped, her father could have helped, they all could have helped. Instead, she kept it to herself. She ended up helping Olivia's father kill the Pres. She got their witness killed and nearly got Huck killed, a person who Abby has known and worked with for years. Abby's stupidity helped land her in this situation and possibly, getting herself off that high chair they established she's been on for the past season plus could have saved lives and prevented all of this. She should have known better.

I can forgive Huck not trying another door only because he drowning, running out of air, shot multiple times etc.  Of course, I agree he should be dead.

Finally the best part of this episode is of course Olivia's black jacket. That thing was bad ass.

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4 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

The evil lady was pretty awesome on the phone to Abby: "don't call me anymore, I don't like you". She gets points for that. I do however question her for getting involved with Abby in the first place. I get that Abby was the in but Abby's an idiot. And also can never keep her mouth shut. Evil Lady should have done more research on her.

Speaking of which.. Abby told Fitz the deal right? And he's going to do.. nothing? He's still president for the time being, Abby just told him some people set up killing the president elect and are the ones who framed Cyrus so Mellie would get elected and also she had a hand in it and his whole tgjing o Liv was "you should forgive her". This show constantly leaves me flabbergasted. Again I ask is Fitz supposed to be a good president? 

I was bothered by Olivia slapping Abby because Abby is a domestic abuse survivor and has turned to Liv when she has moments of fear and rage. And Abby's look of shock and fear when she was being slapped was kind of heartbreaking. But, man, did I love when Mystery Villain said, "I don't like you. You're annoying." Because it felt as if she was saying the thing that needed to be said to Abby since season 1.

This was easily my favorite episode of the season. Which isn't saying much since I've hated the first 8 episodes. I've been so hungry for Olivia and her team to work together, I was able to ignore the distasteful line about using a chair on Abby (and I can't stand Abby, so you know it was bad). I even loved Charlie's pep talk. I still think he's the mole with eyes on Olivia, but this was the first time since he was introduced (in season 2?) that I liked his presence. It was the first time I saw some potential for his character.

I'm still holding out hope that OPA rises again, and I'd be okay if it consisted of ex-B613 agents with dark pasts and penchants for random uncontrollable violent urges that have to be reined in. I thought last night's episode hinted at that so I'm still feeling a bit high from that. It's taken my mind off the 6x11 synopsis that seems to imply

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someone dies. "Claims a victim" doesn't necessarily mean death, but that description is ominous as all hell.

Marcus is kind of boring, but it warmed my heart when he refused to leave. I know it was cheesy, but I liked when Jake and Charlie smiled at the end of Olivia's speech.

The show makes a mess trying to get to certain moments but I'm trying to suspend my disbelief more and more since I've come to terms with the fact that I'm not giving up on it. So, Fitz appearing at the hospital to tell Olivia to forgive Abby was ridiculous because he should have been working on getting Cyrus out of jail and tracking down these evil people who killed Vargas, but I did like the last scene with Olivia holding Abby's hand. I feel they didn't need Fitz to get us there, but they wanted a Fitz/Olivia moment.

I admit I'm tired; I want these character-centric episodes to be over with and I'm hoping we will get more OPA-Centric episodes after the 100th airs next week. I think it's a travesty that we are 9 episodes in without any clear idea what the hell is going on. But I'm suddenly hopeful after last night's OPA moments that we may be heading to something interesting.

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I literally said out loud 'What, couldn't find a chair to hit her with, Liv?' Turns out I needn't have bothered bringing it up, she had that part covered too.

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The scene with Olivia repeatedly slapping the crap out of the woman who used to be abused and then calling her worthless and threatening her? Was disgusting, as was Quinn threatening to kill Abby.

Olivia has, in the past, taken advantage of her knowledge of this same woman's past to frighten her into doing what she wants. It's a low, but not really a new one.

Aw, but all is forgiven at the end. Fitz is forgiven, Olivia is forgiven, Abby is forgiven - it's a forgiveness party! Maybe someone could invite Cy- wait, right, no one's bothered to 'forgive' him yet. But then again, how could they, when he didn't do what they were so sanctimoniously accusing him of in the first place.

Charlie's speech would have been more enjoyable if he wasn't directing it at Liv, and I have a feeling I'm going to start liking him a lot less when the inevitable jealousy triangle plots show up, but hey.

Also: the whole Abby and Fitz friendship thing fell particularly flat seeing as how their last interaction was him dressing her down in front of his girlfriend (and Abby's ex).

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9 hours ago, breezy424 said:

After I continually tried to get over the fact that there is no terrain outside DC that looks like that, Huck's survival was ridiculous.  Guy is shot and is shown bleeding out but yet,  he lives and somehow manages to 'escape'.  Yeah, try another door.  It was all too much.   Other stupid things:  Olivia and Jake are 'walking' to find Huck.  How did they get him out?  Why did it take them so long to think of pinging and tracking cell phones?  It's all become so ridiculous as opposed to clever writing.  The show needs to go back to its roots. 

The thing that broke my brain was when the Hucklucination reminded real Huck to check the time, he declared it seven something and the Hucklucination said it'll be dark soon. No. The election was only a few weeks ago at most since we still haven't had the electoral college vote yet. It's late November or early December. It would have been dark hours ago unless I'm supposed to believe all that scampering around OPA had done happened before seven in the morning. (We know Charlie and Quinn get to the hotel room sometime in the morning because Charlie suggests they've gone out for breakfast but how early could that be since it was light out then too?) Also, cold considering Huck had been in the water. That's the problem with these sort of messed up timeline Rashomon style plots is that it seems like it's very easy for a sloppy show to forget where they're supposed to be in the timeline and assume the show is taking place around when it's airing.

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7 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Speaking of which.. Abby told Fitz the deal right? And he's going to do.. nothing? He's still president for the time being, Abby just told him some people set up killing the president elect and are the ones who framed Cyrus so Mellie would get elected and also she had a hand in it and his whole tgjing o Liv was "you should forgive her". This show constantly leaves me flabbergasted. Again I ask is Fitz supposed to be a good president? 

Fitz is probably my favorite character on the show (because they are all horrifically bad people), but this makes sense in the context of the show.  It's his pattern:

  • His wife lies about something deeply personal on national tv to try to win votes? He does nothing except look sad and whine to Liv.
  • Finds out an election was fixed for him? He covers it by killing a Supreme Court judge
  • Mistress is kidnapped? Puts many, many innocent lives at risk to save her
  • Son is killed?  Let's killer out of jail when he needs him for something else
  • Finds out VP didn't have a stroke, but was incapacitated by Liv and Co.? Does nothing.
  • Finds out mistress killed former VP?  Does nothing
  • Probably about 15 other incidents I've blocked out of my memory because this show....

Fitz is one of the better hearted people on the show, but he still has a pattern of either not dealing with illegal acts or dealing with them in the wrong manner.

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Also, since they presume Mellie is going to be president, Jake should be at least appearing to be preparing to be VP. Not scampering through the woods with Liv and no secret service protection.  

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Well, that wasn't entirely horrible. But ditto comments upthread, c'mon, how does Huck survive multiple bullet wounds and bleeding out for hours? Adrenaline? Several layers of adipose tissue? Superhuman abilities we didn't know about before?

Yeah, seems like one slap would've been sufficient. Maybe two. Sure Abby did wrong by Huck but repeatedly slapping her didn't accomplish anything except perhaps help Olivia feel superior. But she never seems to need help in that area, does she?

I am so over watching Quinn gleefully torture people, even when it's somewhat justified.

Also, I was intrigued by the moment where clean-shaven Huck is berating facial-haired Huck. Did they CGI the hair off or did the actor actually go hairless on the facial front just for that scene? Whatever, he looked years younger. (Which may have been CGI...)

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After I continually tried to get over the fact that there is no terrain outside DC that looks like that

Right? It was really distracting for me. Clearly the scenes were filmed in CA or at least somewhere in the western US. Wonder why they tried to pull such a con? Oh yeah, because they have close to zero respect for the audience's intelligence.

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I tend to like this show when the characters don't even pretend they are good people. Then again this is the first episode i watched in awhile. I had no interest in watching another election. Still better then the trainwreck last season. Of Abby is due for a downward spiral I may check in again.

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27 minutes ago, Oblique Angle said:

Also, I was intrigued by the moment where clean-shaven Huck is berating facial-haired Huck. Did they CGI the hair off or did the actor actually go hairless on the facial front just for that scene? Whatever, he looked years younger. (Which may have been CGI...)

I just rewatched the episode at ABC.com and Huck's hairless face looked bigger so I'm going to assume they added makeup/prosthetics to cover his facial hair.

27 minutes ago, Oblique Angle said:

Right? It was really distracting for me. Clearly the scenes were filmed in CA or at least somewhere in the western US. Wonder why they tried to pull such a con? Oh yeah, because they have close to zero respect for the audience's intelligence.

I know they really wanted that car pushed into water, but that location was huge mistake. They should have taken some time to work out a different way to put him in danger for a few hours. Even a freezer in a warehouse would have worked better.

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Reading the recap had me literally LOL-ing. I was going to quote my favorite parts, but it was like 90% of the recap.  Huck has never been a favorite of mine, but I dislike him so much now and the whole thing was so unbelievable.  

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Sure it was preposterous, defied logic and common sense but I enjoyed it. I don't watch Shondaland for logic or common sense,  I like Huck so while it wasn't full of suspense and I was pretty sure he would survive, I was thoroughly entertained.  Quinn is obviously out of practice in the torture dept or she would never have fallen for Meg's bait and killed her too soon. Charlie not stopping her is suspicious, perhaps he was afraid of what Meg would say? Maybe out him as the mole.  Combined with his jealousy, it seems pretty conclusive. 

The best thing about these last abysmal episodes has been the lack of Fitz and Liv but it looks like that break may be over. UGH.

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1 hour ago, thewhiteowl said:

Sure it was preposterous, defied logic and common sense but I enjoyed it. I don't watch Shondaland for logic or common sense,  I like Huck so while it wasn't full of suspense and I was pretty sure he would survive, I was thoroughly entertained.  Quinn is obviously out of practice in the torture dept or she would never have fallen for Meg's bait and killed her too soon. Charlie not stopping her is suspicious, perhaps he was afraid of what Meg would say? Maybe out him as the mole.  Combined with his jealousy, it seems pretty conclusive. 

The best thing about these last abysmal episodes has been the lack of Fitz and Liv but it looks like that break may be over. UGH.

Excellent point about Charlie. I thought it was suspicious that he didn't want to use the spray that would show them the blood in the room. The only thing making me doubtful was his pep talk to Olivia. Why would he do that if he didn't want them to find Huck? Maybe he was so sure Huck was dead, and so sure Quinn would want to find the body, he decided the pep talk would keep him off everyone's radar longer?

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4 minutes ago, slade3 said:

Why would he do that if he didn't want them to find Huck? Maybe he was so sure Huck was dead, and so sure Quinn would want to find the body, he decided the pep talk would keep him off everyone's radar longer?

He seemed pretty certain Huck was dead and he does love Quinn and knows she would need to see the body.  So I could buy that. Charlie has been more of a mercenary character than just a torturer for info kind of guy. I can see him compartmentalizing his feelings for Quinn and Liv and putting a paid job in another box. I think he mentioned needing money early in the season for the honeymoon but I could be mistaken.

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11 minutes ago, thewhiteowl said:

He seemed pretty certain Huck was dead and he does love Quinn and knows she would need to see the body.  So I could buy that. Charlie has been more of a mercenary character than just a torturer for info kind of guy. I can see him compartmentalizing his feelings for Quinn and Liv and putting a paid job in another box. I think he mentioned needing money early in the season for the honeymoon but I could be mistaken.

Yes, exactly. He's a mercenary. This just reminded me - I was rewatching an old episode and Charlie told someone (Jake or Huck, I guess) that he goes where the money goes, or something like that. It was in reference to Jake (or Huck) finding him doing one job when they had just caught him working for the other side. I wish I could remember the context, but I meant to bring it up here after I saw it. I thought it was another clue that he could be the mole.

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I laughed when Olivia kept smacking Abby.  Not that physical violence is okay, but at the absurdity of it all.  If someone got someone I cared about killed, I would want to slap them to, or worse.  However, the idea that these are the good guys, and they care about each other is just ridiculous.

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3 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

I laughed when Olivia kept smacking Abby.  Not that physical violence is okay, but at the absurdity of it all.  If someone got someone I cared about killed, I would want to slap them to, or worse.  However, the idea that these are the good guys, and they care about each other is just ridiculous.

The absurdity of Abby just standing there letting her slap her over and over.... wouldn't you think after the second slap you would duck or try to catch her hand?

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I enjoyed this episode. The conceit of Huck's rescue being treated like ole skool OPA cases was effective. Loved the small touches with Olivia's hand bleeding as glass burst and Huck's lips turning blue. Looking forward to next week's What If? as well. 

The Abby slaps surprised me more than anything, but if someone I loved was in danger and a person I trusted basically set it up & lied to me...well, I hope I'd be above slapping, but I don't know. 

Also, I may be an untraditional watcher of this show as I typically dont watch dramas or soaps at all. But Scandal increasingly reminds me of the genre and sci stuffs I am more into--so straining or tearing credulity a new one doesn't bother me in watching this show.  I do wish the solution weren't as easy as using Find Homegirls IPhone, but I was rooting for Huck, psycho pup that he is. 

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Forget how Huck managed to survive, or how Fitz didn't immediately have Abby detained in Guantanamo after spilling the beans. The most amazing, by which I mean unbelievable, thing that happened last night was how Charlie and Quinn got that rat to scratch at Meg's door at the opportune moment so they could sneak up behind the ManicPixieAssassinGirl. That is one well trained rat. Either that or OPA has invested in some teleporting technology, because there is no way they left that rat at the door, and it remained there during the time it took the gruesome twosome to climb in through a window.

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8 hours ago, deaja said:

Also, since they presume Mellie is going to be president, Jake should be at least appearing to be preparing to be VP. Not scampering through the woods with Liv and no secret service protection.  

Yes, and isn't he the head of the NSA? Makes no sense for him to be running around like that. 

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I felt no sympathy for Abby when Liv was smacking the taste out of her mouth.  Being a domestic violence survivor does not mean she gets a pass on the ish she does.  Abby is simply a horrible person (yes, they all are), but she's been drinking her own snowflake laced koolaid for far too long.  IMO, Quinn should have been allowed to beat the living crap out of Abby.  Not forgiving her, not now, not ever.  I'm just glad my DVR prevented me from seeing Liv forgive her, or I might have been begging for a sniper to take them both out.

Fitz is a trashbot and I can't stand him.  The ultimate example of entitlement, privilege and unworthiness defending and insisting on the forgiveness of his female counterpart.

The only person truly worth caring about on this show was Susan Ross, so naturally, she could not be left standing in the cesspool of Scandal.

Having said all that, I loved this episode, and I am actually happy that Huck lives because he is probably one of the characters least deserving of a horrible death.  Given that he's a sociopathic, torturing mass murderer, what does that say about the rest of the bunch?

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But that could be my residual love for the actor as Brian Mackenzie in the Father of the Bride movies that I absolutely loved when I was younger. 

Me too, but for Adventures in Babysitting. I would probably have a completely different view of Charlie if those movies hadn't happened!

i enjoyed this episode. OPA all working together? Nice scenes with Fitz? Very little Morton overacting? Count me in. It was reminiscent of old school Scandal.

I didn't mind the slapping. I think you can see it as not Scandal rewriting the past, but Liv knowing how it would affect Abby and doing it anyway...that that's how angry she was. Did she know that Huck tipping Abby about Jennifer is the reason it all happened?

That quarry! The show needs to take lessons from southeast-based shows like Vampire Diaries and Sleepy Hollow, which for all their faults have skills in choosing lovely outdoor, area-appropriate locations involving water. And the "7:00, it will be dark soon." Why give a time at all when the point was simply that it was getting late? Unnecessary.

And finally, did I seriously miss the end because of effing Trump? Thanks for the recaps above. I guess I can expect the entire beginning of the Catch (or maybe all of it?) to be missing from the DVR too.

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17 hours ago, Happytobehere said:

The only person truly worth caring about on this show was Susan Ross, so naturally, she could not be left standing in the cesspool of Scandal.

I would add Frankie Vargas to that list. And he met an even worse fate than Susan Ross.

Did anyone notice that the actress who played the doctor is also Raj's mother on "The Big Bang Theory?"

And was there some reason Zoe Perry wasn't credited despite the fact that she had a short scene?

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Good god has Scandal gone down in quality.  Story lines left dangling (how is Mellie and Cyrus?), completely unbelievable medicine (Huck surviving after 3 shots to the chest and nearly drowning, then getting to the hospital and not even needing a ventilator), unbelievable forensics (even if Abby replaced bullets in Vargas's body, the reality is that a pathologist worth her salt would be able to tell the difference between the damage of handgun bullets and long range rifle bullets), and a super secret spy organization for the "good" of the republic that includes torture and murder as its tactics.  

What next?  Aliens running the agencies?  That might be more believable than what we have been served to us so far.

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The absurdity of Abby just standing there letting her slap her over and over.... wouldn't you think after the second slap you would duck or try to catch her hand?

And why did Abbey meekly go into the room to wait and perhaps be killed?  ANYONE--did Abbey actually get the money or was that a sham???

Also What DID happen to Susan Ross?

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