Tinsley Mortimer: Former High Society "IT Girl"

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1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

But she hasn't talked about it. I think I am making my point poorly. She has talked about being physically abused, but hasn't talked about what it was. That it was long-term, constant. That she was afraid of him. That she was bloodied and had staples put in her head. For all they know the physical abuse was of the sort some of the stories mentioned - that they both had a go at each other. Again, I just don't think that if they understood exactly what she was saying that Lu would have so casually said "we've all been through the exact same thing". Do you think that Lu would have said that had she understood exactly what Tinsley was saying? Lu can come across as unsympathetic and completely into her own issues, but it is just hard for me to believe that she would so easily dismiss someone else's story with a basic "yea, we've all been there". 

I disagree. Bethenny's last blog says that Tinsley has talked about the abuse and far too often in Bethenny's opinion. As you point out, editing is at play here and I have to wonder why they have edited it the way they have.

[motorcitymom65]

47 minutes ago, film noire said:

Okay, I get it now -- yes, you're right, and no, I don't think LuAnn would have said what she did if Tinsley had given graphic details. 

But  (you knew there was a "but" coming, didn't you MCM? :) I also don't know why Tinsley saying "physical abuse" wasn't sufficient to make that cackle of dames shut up and pay attention.  They have no excuse for not hearing it (not just Lu or Bethenny, all of them) so I'm not sure why it's a point in their favor, versus making it worse -- ?  If you say "I have a deadly disease" do LuAnn or Bethenny or Sonja  need to know which one to keep them from saying, "Well, we've ALL had the flu!" 

It's a good question. I don't like to blame editing, but it is in fact a reality that we are only seeing a small amount of what went on. It was a very personal topic and conversation, and one that largely was about her moving on and away from Sonja to an extent. It was a conversation that almost everyone had an opinion on. I think they were trying to get something from everyone and there was a lot that was said that we didn't see. 

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I disagree. Bethenny's last blog says that Tinsley has talked about the abuse and far too often in Bethenny's opinion. As you point out, editing is at play here and I have to wonder why they have edited it the way they have.

Yea, I don't understand it either. We certainly haven't seen her talking a lot about the abuse. It's almost like they are trying to minimize that part of Tinsley's story and focus more on her inability to move on and make decisions. 

[RedheadZombie]

36 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Well I think you can only speak for yourself as to what the response would be if Bethenny had a black eye and staples in her head.  They certainly would not be my comments or opinion.

Or I can make an educated guess from reading the same posters for years, and on the same topic.  

But it's refreshing ZM that you wouldn't judge her claim of abuse.  In one of these threads there's talk of Bethenny's story of being physically attacked by her step-father.  It was followed by a response starting "if" Bethenny was actually attacked... 

The hypocrisy is bothersome.  Either all women's stories of abuse should be believed or they shouldn't. You can't have it both ways. I feel, for some, their real motto is - All women I like should be believed when they say they were abused.  If I don't like them or they don't meet my moral standards, they are free game. 

BTW, reading more thoroughly through Tinsley's thread I get why some believe there is victim blaming.  To me, it looks more along the lines of not fully understanding DV, therefore questioning Tinsley's staying with her abuser, and the belief that a wealthy woman should find it much easier to leave an abuser.  I maintain it's not a drop in the bucket compared to what was said about TA. 

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4 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

It's a good question. I don't like to blame editing, but it is in fact a reality that we are only seeing a small amount of what went on. It was a very personal topic and conversation, and one that largely was about her moving on and away from Sonja to an extent. It was a conversation that almost everyone had an opinion on. I think they were trying to get something from everyone and there was a lot that was said that we didn't see. 

Yea, I don't understand it either. We certainly haven't seen her talking a lot about the abuse. It's almost like they are trying to minimize that part of Tinsley's story and focus more on her inability to move on and make decisions. 

Or are they trying to do some damage control for their star HW, Bethenny. IMO, had we heard Tinsley talk, in detail, about the physical abuse she went through, then Bethenny's comment to her about her situation being as bad or worse would/could ruin Bethenny's reputation/standing as a Bravo "Star". Bravo could loose viewers for her new show with Fredrick. Bravo is all about the money and they are going to protect their star as much as possible.

I'm not sure what is going on, only that Bethenny basically says that Tinsley has spoken at length about the "abuse" but I do suspect they are doing some damage control for Bethenny and doing it at the expense of Tinsley.

[Happy Camper]

2 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I am no Beth fan, but if someone posted Beth with a black eye and staples in her head, it wouldn't matter if there were twenty strangers who testified in court that they saw Jason do it.  The response would be - she did it to herself to steal Jason's child, and her money and power paid off all the witnesses, the cops, the judge, and the jury.  She probably also paid a makeup artist and photoshopped the pic.

I really do not like Bethenny,  but there is no way in hell that this would be my response. Please do not speak for all of us non Beth fans.

[motorcitymom65]

13 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Or are they trying to do some damage control for their star HW, Bethenny. IMO, had we heard Tinsley talk, in detail, about the physical abuse she went through, then Bethenny's comment to her about her situation being as bad or worse would/could ruin Bethenny's reputation/standing as a Bravo "Star". Bravo could loose viewers for her new show with Fredrick. Bravo is all about the money and they are going to protect their star as much as possible.

I'm not sure what is going on, only that Bethenny basically says that Tinsley has spoken at length about the "abuse" but I do suspect they are doing some damage control for Bethenny and doing it at the expense of Tinsley.

So Beth is to blame for the fact that Tinsley is not getting to tell her story of abuse? To make Beth look better? Someone at Bravo should have clued Beth in so that she wouldn't have outed the fact that Tinz has been talking about it. Kind of hard to imagine Beth putting "abuse" in her blog if she was trying to make herself look good and keep the talk of abuse quiet. 

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4 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

So Beth is to blame for the fact that Tinsley is not getting to tell her story of abuse? To make Beth look better? Someone at Bravo should have clued Beth in so that she wouldn't have outed the fact that Tinz has been talking about it. Kind of hard to imagine Beth putting "abuse" in her blog if she was trying to make herself look good and keep the talk of abuse quiet. 

No, Bravo is to blame and the producers of the NY HW show aren't going to worry about another Bravo show that they are not a part of. I also think Bethenny's blog last week was her trying to get ahead of something she said/did because she knew she crossed the line. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

19 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

BTW, reading more thoroughly through Tinsley's thread I get why some believe there is victim blaming.  To me, it looks more along the lines of not fully understanding DV, therefore questioning Tinsley's staying with her abuser, and the belief that a wealthy woman should find it much easier to leave an abuser.  

I would never endorse the idea that it is psychologically easier for a wealthy woman to leave her abuser.  But there is no denying that a woman with her own means wouldn't face the same financial predicament that is a factor for so many poorer women who are facing dire circumstances if they leave.  That's not to say wealthy women don't face a plethora of dire circumstances when they try to get away, just that money is not one of them.

 

21 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I'm not sure what is going on, only that Bethenny basically says that Tinsley has spoken at length about the "abuse" but I do suspect they are doing some damage control for Bethenny and doing it at the expense of Tinsley.

I doubt that Bravo is tailoring the storyline to protect Bethenny.  I don't think they worry about the opinion of the relatively few viewers who are glued to Bethenny on her blog or wherever.  I think it is more likely to be part of a larger plan to break Tinsley's story in a way to maximize its TV potential, and they are just not ready to lay everything out there yet. 

They may also be treading a little more carefully after the Taylor Armstrong debacle, gauging viewer response and editing accordingly.  They don't need another one of these cases to blow up in their face leaving them looking like they exploited things. 

[zoeysmom]

17 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

Or I can make an educated guess from reading the same posters for years, and on the same topic.  

But it's refreshing ZM that you wouldn't judge her claim of abuse.  In one of these threads there's talk of Bethenny's story of being physically attacked by her step-father.  It was followed by a response starting "if" Bethenny was actually attacked... 

The hypocrisy is bothersome.  Either all women's stories of abuse should be believed or they shouldn't. You can't have it both ways. I feel, for some, their real motto is - All women I like should be believed when they say they were abused.  If I don't like them or they don't meet my moral standards, they are free game. 

BTW, reading more thoroughly through Tinsley's thread I get why some believe there is victim blaming.  To me, it looks more along the lines of not fully understanding DV, therefore questioning Tinsley's staying with her abuser, and the belief that a wealthy woman should find it much easier to leave an abuser.  I maintain it's not a drop in the bucket compared to what was said about TA. 

I don't recall Bethenny saying attacked-I recall her mentioning something that happened at 19 with she, Bernadette and step dad.  I am trying to find the clip.  I don't doubt that it happened to her. I do have a difficult time with Bethenny because her feelings are all over the place when it comes to her parents and step parents.  All I can find is Bethenny saying she has been out of contact with her step father's life for 20 years.  Given her description of him, and what an ass he was when they met up I would say another 20 years wouldn't be such  bad idea. 

Hmmm. . .there have been instances of where women have falsely accused another of abusing them.  I haven't see it on the RHs, and that is why I was surprised Bethenny questioned Tinsley given that she had photographic and third party accounts and videos of the abuse. 

I think I am disappointed this season has a lot of one person telling another person what they can talk about. What they are tired of hearing about.  Every statement is not an invitation to advice.  Sometimes just being supportive is enough. 

I always believed Taylor and it seems history repeats itself with the other RH being uncomfortable with her talking about her abuse.

[Celia Rubenstein]

7 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't recall Bethenny saying attacked-I recall her mentioning something that happened at 19 with she, Bernadette and step dad.  I am trying to find the clip.  I don't doubt that it happened to her. 

I think the incident in question occurred after Bethenny and her mother had left the home (they shared with Johnny, is that his name?) and Bethenny had went back to retrieve some belongings.  He blew up on her in some fashion, IIRC.  I don't remember if she said he got physical with her or not.

[RedheadZombie]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't recall Bethenny saying attacked-I recall her mentioning something that happened at 19 with she, Bernadette and step dad.  I am trying to find the clip.  I don't doubt that it happened to her. I do have a difficult time with Bethenny because her feelings are all over the place when it comes to her parents and step parents.  All I can find is Bethenny saying she has been out of contact with her step father's life for 20 years.  Given her description of him, and what an ass he was when they met up I would say another 20 years wouldn't be such  bad idea. 

Hmmm. . .there have been instances of where women have falsely accused another of abusing them.  I haven't see it on the RHs, and that is why I was surprised Bethenny questioned Tinsley given that she had photographic and third party accounts and videos of the abuse. 

I think I am disappointed this season has a lot of one person telling another person what they can talk about. What they are tired of hearing about.  Every statement is not an invitation to advice.  Sometimes just being supportive is enough. 

I always believed Taylor and it seems history repeats itself with the other RH being uncomfortable with her talking about her abuse.

I'm one of those who tries to fix it. I swear it's not in me to listen silently and just nod.  It makes me feel powerless or helpless.  My mom is the same to me.  Sometimes when I'm venting I premise with, I don't want your opinion or criticism, I just need to talk about it. I do try to identify with the person by sharing something similar, but on this show it's often interpreted as one upping each other. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I disagree. Bethenny's last blog says that Tinsley has talked about the abuse and far too often in Bethenny's opinion. As you point out, editing is at play here and I have to wonder why they have edited it the way they have.

Where is Bethenny's latest blog?  The most recent one I can find (on the Bravo website) is the """abusive"""" one from June 22.  Has she made another post since then?  

ETA I confess, these blog social media things confuse me, any help or links would be appreciated

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[motorcitymom65]

This is what she has said about it, along with some of the comments from her stepfather (Parisella) regarding the abuse when she talked with him about it. Some of this is from her TH, and some from the conversation with him. She didn't say here specifically what led to him attacking her, but I do believe it had something to do with her going over to the house to get some of her stuff

 

“I have forgiven, but I haven’t forgotten,” Frankel said of her stepfather, a horse trainer who she said got “physical” with her and her mother, including attacking her when she was 19. 

“I saw my mother get the s— beaten out of her with a telephone, while he said she was out having sex on him,” Frankel told her best friend in Miami. “How could you ever beat somebody in front of your kid?” 

Said Frankel to her stepfather on the beach in Miami: “We had abuse, we had alcohol, we had gambling.” 

“I don’t excuse it,” Parisella said.

[zoeysmom]

15 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I'm one of those who tries to fix it. I swear it's not in me to listen silently and just nod.  It makes me feel powerless or helpless.  My mom is the same to me.  Sometimes when I'm venting I premise with, I don't want your opinion or criticism, I just need to talk about it. I do try to identify with the person by sharing something similar, but on this show it's often interpreted as one upping each other. 

The show has a different tenor this year.  Maybe because it started with a lot Luann Tom BS and went downhill with Ramona's faux concern over Bethenny's ages old soft porn career.  I do think they all have their ways  of dealing with stuff-Dorinda doesn't want to hear it and doesn't want to be the last to know, Carole knows it all and is pretty devoid of any patience for an explanation, Ramona just tries to sound intelligent and figure out a way it relates to her,  Bethenny knows it all and hasn't quite reached (she is getting there) the place in her life when to jump in and when to nod, Luann I believe has always come from that place of stiff upper lip and be happy from within first and foremost.  Sonja cares about Sonja and silly pretense and staying relevant by talking about who she and Luann have mutually bedded.  Tinsley is too new to register. 

I would have thought Dorinda would be the compassionate one but I find her far more self-absorbed than even Bethenny.  At least Bethenny knows when to pretend to be happy for someone. 

[diadochokinesis]

3 hours ago, Atlanta said:

Seriously. People here are saying she was as just physically brutal to Fanjul, or whatever his name is? Please tell me I'm misinterpreting it. TM is skeletal. You can't tell me that unless she had a baseball bat and caught him unaware, she was brutal to him. Maybe she was psychologically abusive, but that would be pretty hard to prove. Eek. Blaming the victim.

As someone who is about Tinsley's size, trust me when I say that we can be scrappy!  My husband is a guy who used to do boxing and MMA type stuff for fun and exercise and I can actually take him down. A smaller person can inflict some major damage--especially if s/he knows where to aim the punches. 

[diadochokinesis]

3 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I haven't really seen anyone blaming the victim here. I remember when Taylor told of being abused.  The "other site" was very anti-Taylor. I'm one of the very few who believed her.  The rest didn't just blame the victim.  They denied she was a victim.  It was a rather hostile environment for those who didn't think that way.  The mod not only encouraged this, she flat out posted that Taylor was a liar and a psycho.  Taylor drove her poor husband to suicide with her false accusations.  Nothing here comes anywhere near that level for Tinsley. Minus the mod, I think if anyone is getting the Taylor treatment it's Beth.  For all of the constant exclamations that no one must ever doubt a victim's claims, or in any way, shape, or form even slightly question an abuse claim, many of the very same people not only mock Beth's claims, they twist in knots to portray Jason as  the poor, bereaved, battered husband.  Just as Russell was turned into the poor victim.  

I am no Beth fan, but if someone posted Beth with a black eye and staples in her head, it wouldn't matter if there were twenty strangers who testified in court that they saw Jason do it.  The response would be - she did it to herself to steal Jason's child, and her money and power paid off all the witnesses, the cops, the judge, and the jury.  She probably also paid a makeup artist and photoshopped the pic.  It's a glaring double standard on these threads, where someone who is charged with multiple offenses is excused away with some of the most creative alternative truths  and fantastical possibilities I've ever seen.  Yet in this very thread, posters who do not buy 100% into Tinsley's story by pointing out the restraining order and the fact that Tins was screaming about her "boyfriend" being with another woman, have been flat out accused of misogyny and victim blaming.  

Thank you!!!  I've said in the Divorce thread that it doesn't matter whether or not I like someone--I will always support the victim. Too often we see victim blaming with people doubting whether or not it happened because it wasn't reported immediately or dismissing it because she didn't immediately leave. It is things like that which is why people don't report or don't leave the situation. 

1 hour ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I would never endorse the idea that it is psychologically easier for a wealthy woman to leave her abuser.  But there is no denying that a woman with her own means wouldn't face the same financial predicament that is a factor for so many poorer women who are facing dire circumstances if they leave.  That's not to say wealthy women don't face a plethora of dire circumstances when they try to get away, just that money is not one of them.

 

I doubt that Bravo is tailoring the storyline to protect Bethenny.  I don't think they worry about the opinion of the relatively few viewers who are glued to Bethenny on her blog or wherever.  I think it is more likely to be part of a larger plan to break Tinsley's story in a way to maximize its TV potential, and they are just not ready to lay everything out there yet. 

They may also be treading a little more carefully after the Taylor Armstrong debacle, gauging viewer response and editing accordingly.  They don't need another one of these cases to blow up in their face leaving them looking like they exploited things. 

 

I think some people miss an important part of this. WHEN the woman is ready to leave, a wealthy woman has an easier time because she has the financial means to leave as compared to a poor woman. This is also part of the reason why abusers control finances. You control the woman's finances and you control the woman making her incapable of leaving. It isn't saying that a wealthy woman has it easier psychologically because all women regardless of financial background are going to have an emotional/psychological struggle to get to the point of being done with the abuse. 

I also agree on the doubt that Bravo is manipulating the storyline to protect Bethenny. I think it gives Bethenny more credit than she is due but also, Bravo has to tread carefully after the situation with Russell. 

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1 hour ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I think the incident in question occurred after Bethenny and her mother had left the home (they shared with Johnny, is that his name?) and Bethenny had went back to retrieve some belongings.  He blew up on her in some fashion, IIRC.  I don't remember if she said he got physical with her or not.

Bethenny said he "attacked" her but she didn't explain what she meant. For all we know he verbally attacked her, I don't automatically think physical when the word attack is used. If he did hit/beat her, I don't understand how she would want him to meet Bryn, she hasn't been around him in years, certainly she doesn't know if he has changed or not.

1 hour ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Where is Bethenny's latest blog?  The most recent one I can find (on the Bravo website) is the """abusive"""" one from June 22.  Has she made another post since then?  

ETA I confess, these blog social media things confuse me, any help or links would be appreciated

Yes, it was the ""abuse"" blog, she claimed that Tinsley had spoken a lot about the abuse.

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Her BIG mistake sitting at that table was whining that no one's problems were as public as hers.  Does she live under a rock?  At least 4  women at that table were PageSix headlines during their break ups.  And Tinsley sweetie, don't tell me you don't check PageSix everyday, even in Palm Beach.  I saw you little reality show.  You lived for PageSix.  So if you want them on your side you say, you need to help me through this since all of you have had this public humiliation at the hands of an ex.

Yeah, they've all had their lives in the public eye...that's the trade-off for being "famous".

Her asking the other HWs for help isn't the worst idea, but, this is the HWs lol

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For the most part Ramona and Bethenny did their fair share to cause Luannn humiliation

I'd say Tom did his fair share to humiliate Luann more than anyone.

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She was a little nobody with a famous last name.  She made her name off a sex tape.  She took that notoriety and monetized it.  Kim K was a stylist/closet organizer until her sex tape.  Folks see her as learning from Paris.  I didn't mean that she made millions from a sex tape.  

They both benefited from their sex tapes.

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I am no Beth fan, but if someone posted Beth with a black eye and staples in her head, it wouldn't matter if there were twenty strangers who testified in court that they saw Jason do it.  The response would be - she did it to herself to steal Jason's child, and her money and power paid off all the witnesses, the cops, the judge, and the jury.  She probably also paid a makeup artist and photoshopped the pic.  It's a glaring double standard on these threads, where someone who is charged with multiple offenses is excused away with some of the most creative alternative truths  and fantastical possibilities I've ever seen.  Yet in this very thread, posters who do not buy 100% into Tinsley's story by pointing out the restraining order and the fact that Tins was screaming about her "boyfriend" being with another woman, have been flat out accused of misogyny and victim blaming.

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So Beth is to blame for the fact that Tinsley is not getting to tell her story of abuse? To make Beth look better? Someone at Bravo should have clued Beth in so that she wouldn't have outed the fact that Tinz has been talking about it. Kind of hard to imagine Beth putting "abuse" in her blog if she was trying to make herself look good and keep the talk of abuse quiet. 

I know, right? lol

[Celia Rubenstein]

Oh, now I see what you were referring to.  I didn't read it carefully enough. Thanks for responding to my post, @Wirewrap.

I can only speculate that all of this talking Bethenny describes Tinsley as having done may be yet to come.  It may not have taken place at the time of taping the last episode even though Beth mentioned it in her blog.  She may well be referring to things Tinsley will be shown saying later on. 

Plus Bravo is famous for showing things out of sequence.  They wait until it suits their manufactured storyline. It may well be part of a scripted crescendo we will see later. But it is possible they may fear showing Tinsley's comments at all due to fear of the whole Russell thing or having The Asshole sue them for some form of slander. I guess we will see. 

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Oh, now I see what you were referring to.  I didn't read it carefully enough. Thanks for responding to my post, @Wirewrap.

I can only speculate that all of this talking Bethenny describes Tinsley as having done may be yet to come.  It may not have taken place at the time of taping the last episode even though Beth mentioned it in her blog.  She may well be referring to things Tinsley will be shown saying later on. 

Plus Bravo is famous for showing things out of sequence.  They wait until it suits their manufactured storyline. It may well be part of a scripted crescendo we will see later. But it is possible they may fear showing Tinsley's comments at all due to fear of the whole Russell thing or having The Asshole sue them for some form of slander. I guess we will see. 

I suspect that even though they get the episode a week before we see it, that she didn't watch it and she had no idea how the editing would go for episode, so she got ahead of it by addressing it her way a week early. Which was to minimize what Tinsley went through, the ""abuse"", because of how she blew her off at the table. Bethenny knew that Jason was arrested and that they would "talk" about it on that trip, so this was all suppose to be Bethenny needing/getting support and she couldn't have Tinsley steal her thunder, so she shut her down about it on this trip. It makes her look heartless, especially in light of her B Strong charity that she promoted earlier this season. 

I don't think Bravo is thinking in terms of another suicide and I doubt that they will even allow his name to be mentioned at all since has never been a part of the show. Yes, Bravo does change up the sequence of events but the HWs see each episode a week before we do and their blogs are supposed to pertain to the episode we see. LOL

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Plus Bravo is famous for showing things out of sequence.  They wait until it suits their manufactured storyline. It may well be part of a scripted crescendo we will see later. But it is possible they may fear showing Tinsley's comments at all due to fear of the whole Russell thing or having The Asshole sue them for some form of slander. I guess we will see.

I know within episodes the editing can be wonky, but from episode to episode things are out of sequence too?

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she couldn't have Tinsley steal her thunder, so she shut her down about it on this trip. It makes her look heartless, especially in light of her B Strong charity that she promoted earlier this season. 

I didn't see it that way all. The ladies were reacting to Tinsley's discussion of how public her situation is. Most of them basically told her they've all been through messy public break-ups - Luann was just as vocal as Bethenny.

[zoeysmom]

19 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I suspect that even though they get the episode a week before we see it, that she didn't watch it and she had no idea how the editing would go for episode, so she got ahead of it by addressing it her way a week early. Which was to minimize what Tinsley went through, the ""abuse"", because of how she blew her off at the table. Bethenny knew that Jason was arrested and that they would "talk" about it on that trip, so this was all suppose to be Bethenny needing/getting support and she couldn't have Tinsley steal her thunder, so she shut her down about it on this trip. It makes her look heartless, especially in light of her B Strong charity that she promoted earlier this season. 

I don't think Bravo is thinking in terms of another suicide and I doubt that they will even allow his name to be mentioned at all since has never been a part of the show. Yes, Bravo does change up the sequence of events but the HWs see each episode a week before we do and their blogs are supposed to pertain to the episode we see. LOL

Well next week it hits the news, while the ladies are skiing that Jason was arrested.  So the incident occurred on the 27th and they hear about it the 31st.  That might be why Bethenny was talking about being in the news.

[Jel]

Sometimes, it seems like Bethenny isn't even entitled to her own feelings and perceptions of her own childhood.  It is extremely terrifying, horrific even, for a little kid to see her mother beaten up by her father (stepfather). That's an absolute horror show. Especially when the mom is already kind of sketchy in the mothering department and the kid has some anxiety from being forced to take on some of the parental role.

I have heard enough to know I wouldn't wish Bethenny's childhood on anyone, swishy boarding schools or not. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

48 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I suspect that even though they get the episode a week before we see it, that she didn't watch it and she had no idea how the editing would go for episode, so she got ahead of it by addressing it her way a week early. Which was to minimize what Tinsley went through, the ""abuse"", because of how she blew her off at the table. Bethenny knew that Jason was arrested and that they would "talk" about it on that trip, so this was all suppose to be Bethenny needing/getting support and she couldn't have Tinsley steal her thunder, so she shut her down about it on this trip. It makes her look heartless, especially in light of her B Strong charity that she promoted earlier this season. 

I don't think Bravo is thinking in terms of another suicide and I doubt that they will even allow his name to be mentioned at all since has never been a part of the show. Yes, Bravo does change up the sequence of events but the HWs see each episode a week before we do and their blogs are supposed to pertain to the episode we see. LOL

You think Bethenny didn't watch the episode the minute she got it?  Wow, not me! I think she went over the episode with a fine toothed comb the second she got her paws on it and drafted her blog in response to it.  That's just who she is, LOL.  

I do agree with you to the extent that her remark about Tinsley talking so much about her """abusive""" relationship may have been in part designed to explain why everyone seemed so over hearing about it (at the dinner table).  I don't think it had anything to do with fearing Tinsley would steal her thunder at all, though.  Beth's main "comment" about her own situation seemed to be a shocked face in response to Tinsley suggesting they didn't know what it was like to have your business be front page news, which I think is justified.  It's not as if she tried to turn the whole conversation to the details of her own problems or something. 

I realize that the blogs are supposed to be about the episode, but obviously that isn't some kind of hard and fast rule.  If it was, we wouldn't have Bethenny talking about things we haven't seen on the show yet in her blog entry. 

 

8 minutes ago, BBHN said:

I know within episodes the editing can be wonky, but from episode to episode things are out of sequence too?

That has always been my impression.  There are people here who are more a master of Real Housewives history than I am and can probably elaborate more. But over the seasons (of various franchises) I recall hearing it described how numerous events were shown out of sequence, apparently re-positioned for effect. I don't think it is all that uncommon for RH shows.

[LIMOM]

4 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Or I can make an educated guess from reading the same posters for years, and on the same topic.  

But it's refreshing ZM that you wouldn't judge her claim of abuse.  In one of these threads there's talk of Bethenny's story of being physically attacked by her step-father.  It was followed by a response starting "if" Bethenny was actually attacked... 

The hypocrisy is bothersome.  Either all women's stories of abuse should be believed or they shouldn't. You can't have it both ways. I feel, for some, their real motto is - All women I like should be believed when they say they were abused.  If I don't like them or they don't meet my moral standards, they are free game. 

BTW, reading more thoroughly through Tinsley's thread I get why some believe there is victim blaming.  To me, it looks more along the lines of not fully understanding DV, therefore questioning Tinsley's staying with her abuser, and the belief that a wealthy woman should find it much easier to leave an abuser.  I maintain it's not a drop in the bucket compared to what was said about TA. 

Here is the deal for me.

I do believe that B was abused during her childhood. 

I do believe that J was emotionally abusive toward her. I think that he is a jerk to start with.

I think that because the divorce was so long(for no good reason, imo) he is becoming unhinged.

The reason I questioned abuse now with B, is mainly because of the boat story. Who the fuck makes up such a story????

As far as Taylor Armstrong, I thought at the time, that it was mutual combat. I never blamed her for her husband suicide though. He was mentally ill, imo.

The problem with people with TA and BF for me, it is hard to believe people who are known liars.

[film noire]

4 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

I really do not like Bethenny,  but there is no way in hell that this would be my response. Please do not speak for all of us non Beth fans.

Amen.

[BBHN]

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That has always been my impression.  There are people here who are more a master of Real Housewives history than I am and can probably elaborate more. But over the seasons (of various franchises) I recall hearing it described how numerous events were shown out of sequence, apparently re-positioned for effect. I don't think it is all that uncommon for RH shows.

That makes things interesting...it's funny enough noticing some of the edits within scenes of episodes. It would be interesting to know what episodes are out of sequence.

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, BBHN said:

That makes things interesting...it's funny enough noticing some of the edits within scenes of episodes. It would be interesting to know what episodes are out of sequence.

It has happened on a few occasions that I know of. Mainly on the BH franchise a few seasons ago, which were easy to spot because of the dates of some of the events that we knew of from the press of the events. 

Carole posted a picture of her and Dorinda shopping in what looked to be Vernont on Jan 31st. Both Beth and Dorinda also posted pics of them on the slopes at this time. This was several days after Jason was arrested. So the thinking is that - for whatever reason - they ran this episode first, then they reveal that he was arrested. The thing is, if you watch the episode with the knowledge that perhaps Jason has already been arrested, it makes the conversation and the comments by Tinsley seem even more strange. Particularly the one where she said that the rest of them had never seen their drama play out in public. Um, Jason's arrest had just been very public. 

ETA: it also makes Lu's comments more strange. This would have been the first time that she had seen Beth since Jason's arrest. Beth didn't go to the big charity function that had on the 29th because of the arrest. Seems odd if you know that someone has just been through all this to bitch about how your recent marital status should have elevated your choice of rooms. 

Edited July 2, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[KungFuBunny]

10 hours ago, BBHN said:

I know within episodes the editing can be wonky, but from episode to episode things are out of sequence too?

I didn't see it that way all. The ladies were reacting to Tinsley's discussion of how public her situation is. Most of them basically told her they've all been through messy public break-ups - Luann was just as vocal as Bethenny.

At the dinner

Bethenny: You just said you were in a relationship where it was abusive, now you're in another relationship (Sonja) where you're being told what to do.

This aired before Tinsley used the word abusive.

So yeah, I totally think the editors spliced and diced and shuffled

[lunastartron]

18 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

At the dinner

Bethenny: You just said you were in a relationship where it was abusive, now you're in another relationship (Sonja) where you're being told what to do.

This aired before Tinsley used the word abusive.

So yeah, I totally think the editors spliced and diced and shuffled

Bethenny wrote a blog last week in which she said Tinsley "talks a lot about this 'abusive' relationship," which implies that Tinsley has referenced this on multiple occasions prior to the Vermont dinner. 

[KungFuBunny]

From the perspective of one New Yorker:

I remember when Tinsley was photographed at various events – mostly sitting at a fashion show. Little blurbs here and there in the local papers, not the tabloids. I remember when they named a pink lipstick after her (Dior). I remember her trying to do a handbag line. I remember her cameo on Gossip Girl. Some articles in the Daily News/NY Post called her the “ Socialite It Girl”

I remember thinking to myself, she’s too old to be making that move now. She was 33. Paris Hilton/Nicole Richie started their reality show and brands around the age of 18. They were also always in the tabloids at events and clubs.

Tinsley’s handbag line – don’t think it did so well and I don’t remember it going international as opposed to being available in a few stores.

She also wrote a book and she and her mother Dale appeared on Dr Phil which showed a clip from her Reality show

When she did the Reality show called High Society they showed her separating from Topper and moving into her own apartment (not on the UES). She said in high society you are only in the papers 3 times in your life, when you are born, when you get married, and when you die. On the show she was already dating a German Aristocrat, and then the guy from American Idol. This show was only 8 episodes but they also showed her on a date with some guy at her favorite restaurant and her making out with him on their first date,

She fell off  the papers once the show was over. I’m not sure when she moved to Florida. I do remember reading about her when she and Nico were together. The articles – lots of speculation – i.e. are they dating, a couple, as there were no pictures of them together. He never claimed her publicly. I thought they were booty call to each other.

I do remember her arrest April 2016. When the story came out it reminded me of the time Anne Heche was found wandering down the street in her bra talking about UFOs. She was found sobbing and hysterical outside his property screaming that her boyfriend was in there with another woman.

I also remember an interview she did shortly after where she said she knew about the trespass order but she thought it was voided because she had been on his property many times since and how is that possible when he is my boyfriend.

Then right after that silence.

The next thing was the plea deal agreement made in July 2016.

I don’t think the arrest was her wake up call. I think she is still asleep. Her legal team convinced her to leave Florida to avoid temptation. The plea agreement has kept her in check.

[OnceSane]

This is NOT Bethenney's thread.  Take the non-Tinsley talk elsewhere.

[Mindthinkr]

3 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

From the perspective of one New Yorker:

I remember when Tinsley was photographed at various events – mostly sitting at a fashion show. Little blurbs here and there in the local papers, not the tabloids. I remember when they named a pink lipstick after her (Dior). I remember her trying to do a handbag line. I remember her cameo on Gossip Girl. Some articles in the Daily News/NY Post called her the “ Socialite It Girl”

I remember thinking to myself, she’s too old to be making that move now. She was 33. Paris Hilton/Nicole Richie started their reality show and brands around the age of 18. They were also always in the tabloids at events and clubs.

Tinsley’s handbag line – don’t think it did so well and I don’t remember it going international as opposed to being available in a few stores.

She also wrote a book and she and her mother Dale appeared on Dr Phil which showed a clip from her Reality show

When she did the Reality show called High Society they showed her separating from Topper and moving into her own apartment (not on the UES). She said in high society you are only in the papers 3 times in your life, when you are born, when you get married, and when you die. On the show she was already dating a German Aristocrat, and then the guy from American Idol. This show was only 8 episodes but they also showed her on a date with some guy at her favorite restaurant and her making out with him on their first date,

She fell off  the papers once the show was over. I’m not sure when she moved to Florida. I do remember reading about her when she and Nico were together. The articles – lots of speculation – i.e. are they dating, a couple, as there were no pictures of them together. He never claimed her publicly. I thought they were booty call to each other.

I do remember her arrest April 2016. When the story came out it reminded me of the time Anne Heche was found wandering down the street in her bra talking about UFOs. She was found sobbing and hysterical outside his property screaming that her boyfriend was in there with another woman.

I also remember an interview she did shortly after where she said she knew about the trespass order but she thought it was voided because she had been on his property many times since and how is that possible when he is my boyfriend.

Then right after that silence.

The next thing was the plea deal agreement made in July 2016.

I don’t think the arrest was her wake up call. I think she is still asleep. Her legal team convinced her to leave Florida to avoid temptation. The plea agreement has kept her in check.

That was succinct. Thank you for your thoughtful post and timeline. It's just sad. I'm wondering why we as viewers can feel sad and/or sorry for her and her fellow housewives show no emotions towards her other than annoyance.  Zilch empathy. Is there something that they know that we don't? Words can convey the story but not the emotions. 

[Ki-in]

17 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Solomon released the tapes

Rick Solomon slept with Paris Hilton

Conrad Hilton slept with (and stalked) Rick Solomon's daughter 

Trashy rich people 

[Mindthinkr]

4 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

Rick Solomon slept with Paris Hilton

Conrad Hilton slept with (and stalked) Rick Solomon's daughter 

Trashy rich people 

Revenge or sincere attraction?

[BBHN]

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At the dinner

Bethenny: You just said you were in a relationship where it was abusive, now you're in another relationship (Sonja) where you're being told what to do.

This aired before Tinsley used the word abusive.

So yeah, I totally think the editors spliced and diced and shuffled

I wonder how different some of these dinners and meet-up for drinks would be if they were played in the actual, non-edited order.

[KungFuBunny]

Dressed to Kilt Fashion Show January 27, 2017

 

Recently posted photo on Tinsley's Instagram. She says Fun dinner with my boys last night!

 

Same dress

[Celia Rubenstein]

Tinsley, tsk tsk ... allowing yourself to be photographed in the same outfit twice?   You are never going to regain your "IT" girl status with slip-ups like this ...

[film noire]

I preferred Tinsley with bangs -- a nod to Jane Birkin (and others like her) but still her own thing:

 

Am I the only person who watched this Project Runway abortificent?  The fabulousness of Iman, forever haughty and declarative, like she was announcing world peace every week ("THEESE!....is the Fashion Show!") and Isaac as fashion's Auntie Mame ("You crazy kids -- in your forties -- don't know a goddamn thing about fashion -- now go make an outfit for Tinsley out of Kleenex and your thwarted ambition.") 

Edited July 3, 2017 by film noire

[KungFuBunny]

Look inspired by Dorit Kemsley

[motorcitymom65]

52 minutes ago, film noire said:

I preferred Tinsley with bangs -- a nod to Jane Birkin (and others like her) but still her own thing:

 

 

Am I the only person who watched this Project Runway abortificent?  The fabulousness of Iman, forever haughty and declarative, like she was announcing world peace every week ("THEESE!....is the Fashion Show!") and Isaac as fashion's Auntie Mame ("You crazy kids -- in your forties -- don't know a goddamn thing about fashion -- now go make an outfit for Tinsley out of Kleenex and your thwarted ambition.") 

Love her with bangs. 

[breezy424]

6 hours ago, film noire said:

I preferred Tinsley with bangs -- a nod to Jane Birkin (and others like her) but still her own thing:

 

Am I the only person who watched this Project Runway abortificent?  The fabulousness of Iman, forever haughty and declarative, like she was announcing world peace every week ("THEESE!....is the Fashion Show!") and Isaac as fashion's Auntie Mame ("You crazy kids -- in your forties -- don't know a goddamn thing about fashion -- now go make an outfit for Tinsley out of Kleenex and your thwarted ambition.") 

I like her better with bangs as well.

Which Project Runway franchise is this?  I thought I watched them all.

[film noire]

50 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I like her better with bangs as well.

Which Project Runway franchise is this?  I thought I watched them all.

Sorry for the confused phrasing -- "The Fashion Show" wasn't a PR franchise, it was what Bravo threw on the schedule to replace PR when it left - it was on for two years ('09 thru 11). I LOVED Iman when she joined the second season (and then they cancelled it).

Edited July 4, 2017 by film noire

[RedheadZombie]

10 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Dressed to Kilt Fashion Show January 27, 2017

 

I know so many here hate Caole and enjoy calling her crypt keeper, etc., but I find Carole really striking here.  She completely draws my eye, and that's something Lu and Beth usually do. I like that Caole doesn't seem to realize that she's supposed to dress like an old lady, and hide her hideously ugly face in her apartment.  I also like that she's one of the view HWs who didn't feel the need for a boob job.  

[breezy424]

51 minutes ago, film noire said:

Sorry for the confused phrasing -- "The Fashion Show" wasn't a PR franchise, it was what Bravo threw on the schedule to replace PR when it left - it was on for two years ('09 thru 11). I LOVED Iman when she joined the second season (and then they cancelled it).

No problem.  I'm surprised that I missed it. 

[BBHN]

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I find Carole really striking here

She does look good in this pic.

[diadochokinesis]

4 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I know so many here hate Caole and enjoy calling her crypt keeper, etc., but I find Carole really striking here.  She completely draws my eye, and that's something Lu and Beth usually do. I like that Caole doesn't seem to realize that she's supposed to dress like an old lady, and hide her hideously ugly face in her apartment.  I also like that she's one of the view HWs who didn't feel the need for a boob job.  

I think she looks very striking in the picture. I think she is one that just has to know her angles because she really does have a great face.

[LIMOM]

5 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I know so many here hate Caole and enjoy calling her crypt keeper, etc., but I find Carole really striking here.  She completely draws my eye, and that's something Lu and Beth usually do. I like that Caole doesn't seem to realize that she's supposed to dress like an old lady, and hide her hideously ugly face in her apartment.  I also like that she's one of the view HWs who didn't feel the need for a boob job.  

I like her confidence as well.

she looks like Val Garland the MU artist right now.(they used the same PS)

 

[motorcitymom65]

5 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I know so many here hate Caole and enjoy calling her crypt keeper, etc., but I find Carole really striking here.  She completely draws my eye, and that's something Lu and Beth usually do. I like that Caole doesn't seem to realize that she's supposed to dress like an old lady, and hide her hideously ugly face in her apartment.  I also like that she's one of the view HWs who didn't feel the need for a boob job.  

She does look great here. I don't always find her beautiful - sometimes yes and sometimes no - but I find her look interesting. That is always what draws my eye. Not the classically or fashionably beautiful. But the ones who have their own look going on. 

[KungFuBunny]

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