S03.E03: Season 3, Episode 3

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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Trish receives a shocking message, and for Ellie and Hardy, suspects start to come into view.

Edited July 13, 2017 by ElectricBoogaloo

[staveDarsky]

This episode gave us more detail on the side stories.

I was sad to see that it's Tom who's the more enthusiastic about the porn links. His friend was not that into them.  BUT -- Tom's porn-sharing partner is one of the boys who went looking for Daisy. Gees. That's worrisome! --- And the kid is the step son of the shady cab driver. Yikes!

We learned Hardy did try to rebuild his family life with Tess and Daisy but it didn't work out; Daisy got in some sort of trouble; and she and Hardy had major wars with Tess. Whatever Daisy did, Hardy felt bringing her to Broadchurch would give her a second chance.

We now know that Mark wants to go after Joe any way he can. He's sacrificing his relationship with his surviving family. In the end we learned via Beth that Joe changed his name and left Sheffield and no one knows where he is. I wonder if Ellie's not been able to get a divorce because of Joe's disappearance.

Edited March 15, 2017 by staveDarsky

[Llywela]

2 hours ago, staveDarsky said:

I was said to see that it's Tom who's the more enthusiastic about the porn links. His friend was not that into them.  BUT -- Tom's porn-sharing partner is one of the boys who went looking for Daisy. Gees. That's worrisome! --- And the kid is the step son of the shady cab driver. Yikes!

We now know that Mark wants to go after Joe any way he can. He's sacrificing his relationship with his surviving family. In the end we learned via Beth that Joe changed his name and left Sheffield and no one knows where he is. I wonder if Ellie's not been able to get a divorce because of Joe's disappearance.

Everything is connected to everything else!

I wondered about the mystery cab passenger picked up off the side of the road. It was a man, and the journey took long enough to keep cabbie Lucas occupied for a chunk of the evening. Who was that man? I even wondered if it might have been Joe, come back to town for some reason (to see his sons)?

As usual, plenty of red herrings - like the husband, drinking till he blacked out and then lying to the police about it. It's too early for that to be significant, got to be a red herring.

[Ravenya003]

Certainly a lot of threads drawn together tonight: not only is Tom's friend the stepson of the taxi driver, but Trish's ex-husband knows the guy at the fishing place - and has something on his laptop that he wants removed. I'm guessing ... something to do with surveillance of his wife/daughter? Secret cameras in their house? Or maybe I've still got Kellyanne Conway's ludicrous proposition of microwave cameras on the brain. 

Loved that tiny scene of Ellie walking past the nighttime dog-walker with apprehension on her face, only for him to give her a friendly "goodnight." What woman hasn't gone through a similar experience of split-second nerves/relief/vague sense of guilt?

Tom certainly turned out to be a right little sleazebag. Poor Ellie.

So Mark brings a lawyer to the house to discuss reopening the case against Joe without prewarning his wife and daughter about it? WTF is wrong with these people? God, I'm so over the Lattimers.

[madmaverick]

I really liked that scene of Ellie having that moment of apprehension when she crossed paths with a strange man at night too, especially knowing that there had just been a rape in the area.  There is always that split-second of cautiousness women feel in those situations.

Tom and his friend might be looking at a video of the actual rape?  Trish's ex husband and any number of men could be into the porn too.  Or, like the previous poster said, he could be spying on Trish.  He seems to have knowledge about the number of men she's alleged to have slept with since their separation. 

Guessing Trish slept with Ed that morning, though why she insists on keeping it a secret I'm not sure.  He's not married.

I think Mark is going to be tracking down Joe Miller.

Poor dodgy cabbie's wife.  But, on the other hand, she really could just leave him.  Wasn't sure of the significance of the locket photo that cabbie looked at in the end scene.  

Scotch egg, heh.  Love all Miller and Hardy scenes, but especially the food related ones. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Heh, and I loved how Hardy used it against her: "Shut up and just eat your stupid Scotch egg!"

The thing that simultaneously cracks me up and horrifies me about shows like Broadchurch is seeing that EVERYONE in town is somewhere on the creepy jerk scale.

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I really liked that scene of Ellie having that moment of apprehension when she crossed paths with a strange man at night too, especially knowing that there had just been a rape in the area.  There is always that split-second of cautiousness women feel in those situations.

It reminded me of that episode of Master of None where the two guys are walking home from a bar late at night totally oblivious and feeling safe as "Don't Worry Be Happy" plays while a girl walks home to the soundtrack from a horror movie while warily looking at every guy she passes and looking over her shoulder.

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Wasn't sure of the significance of the locket photo that cabbie looked at in the end scene.  

It was a plastic keychain with a picture of Trish and her daughter.

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So Mark brings a lawyer to the house to discuss reopening the case against Joe without prewarning his wife and daughter about it? WTF is wrong with these people? God, I'm so over the Lattimers.

I'll be the first to admit that Beth can be annoying, but you know Mark is way over the line when he's making Beth look like the sane logical one.  That was really inconsiderate of him to do to EVERYONE (Beth, the daughter, the lawyer).

Edited July 8, 2017 by ElectricBoogaloo
"Who" is not the same as "how"

[mledawn]

I know teenagers as a rule are always on the verge of moron due to hormones, etc. but Tom truly takes the cake. What a disappointment for Ellie when/if she realises her son is THAT GUY. Ugh.

Tom's friend, while involved with the other boys somehow in some seemingly-shady thing (because of the lack of respect for "Daisy's Dad"), at least had the sense to appear chagrined in some way. Also, he said his "step dad" to Tom, so that does flesh out his side of his mother's story to Ellie and Hardy.

That rope factory guy seems like a real prize, Trish's husband seems a peach as well.

Mark Lattimer needs serious help, he is absolutely wasting his life away, poor guy.

I'm with Hardy on this - the case really makes men out to be complete gems.

[madmaverick]

2 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Heh, and I loved who Hardy used it against her: "Shut up and just eat your stupid Scotch egg!"

I can't remember, but were their food conversations a thing back in S1?  I wanted to eat that Scotch egg, heh.

2 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

The thing that simultaneously cracks me up and horrifies me about shows like Broadchurch is seeing that EVERYONE in town is somewhere on the creepy jerk scale.

I don't think I'd want to invite 50 guys from the town if I knew half of what was going on.  And really, who invites 50 guys to their wife's birthday party?

2 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

It was a plastic keychain with a picture of Trish and her daughter.

OK, thanks.  Adding another dose of creepy to the cabbie. 

[jeansheridan]

Food was definitely a thing in season 1.  Hardy refuses to eat the fish and chips Ellie brings him and she gets very irritated with him.  Plus he makes his tea like I do!  I reboil bags in the microwave and I have stirred with a knife handle.  Heh.  It's the details Tennant gets so right.

I love Ellie's "if looks could kill" at the grocery owner, Ed.  What sort of woman gets raped?  Hmph.  Hardy kept out of that one. Ed seems to be a variation on the newspaper owner from season 1.  A grumpy widower loner. I kind of dig him.  

I'm hoping the musician has nothing to do with it because man, he was CUTE.  I loved Ellie eyeballing his cigarette.  I wonder if the actor improved rolling his own cigarette.  Olivia Coleman just kept watching his hands like she was distracted.  Or maybe it was his cuteness.

I also like that there are multiple black men and some women in scenes.  I was getting a bit worried that it would be just Ed and his daughter but then I realized the nurse was black and now the caterer and some of the other officers.  It just makes their world feel a bit more rounded out.  

Also, I'm shocked those little shits were so rude to Hardy.  He's a bloody police officer, don't they know?  Creeps.  I would hope that Daisy would have better taste but girls can be stupid.  Neither Tom nor Daisy are the dream teens I want them to be for their parents.

I'm a bit worried Tom has a sex tape from a girl at school.  Like maybe Daisy.  It's got to be more than just average, regular porn.  And I'm annoyed Miller didn't investigate more, but she's busy.  That is the sucky thing for both her and Hardy.  Neither has enough time nor backup when they get busy.  Daisy could totally be running amuck and we know Hardy isn't tech savvy.  He can't trace her on her phone like a more paranoid father would.  I kind of keep hoping he'll ask Beth for advise since she has an older daughter.   I actually like Beth now she's beyond her initial grief.  

My favorite exchange:  "Are you any good?"  "Why?  Are you going to hire us?"  "No."

Ah Hardy.  Such a people person!

Edited March 14, 2017 by jeansheridan

[jeansheridan]

I wonder too, how many damn eggs did Coleman have to eat?  I remember Cumberbatch joking about a rare scene in Sherlock when he's eating toast and he had to keep taking bites of toast over and over and over and he was a tad rueful about making that acting choice.  Not that Coleman had much choice, but still.  That is a lot of egg.  

Also, how bad is Cathy and whatshisname's marriage if she needs to ask him if he raped their friend?  I can see maybe asking if he knew anything at all.  If he was protecting somebody or didn't want to say something because it might get a friend in trouble.  But flat out asking ...ballsy.  

[Piplingmb]

I love watching the relationship between Hardy and Ellie the bickering and Ellie fussing over him trying to make him eat.  I think this season there's more respect for each other.  That's totally Hardy that he didn't make contact the 2 years he was away. Love that he brought Daisy back to Broadchurch and secretly he must have missed Ellie to go back there. Notice that she has driven Hardy every time apart from when they were taking Trish to the centre. 

Think there will be lot more twists and turns have been wracking my brains trying to work out who dunnit what are the red herrings. 

Look forward to next week.

[mledawn]

I misunderstood when Cath asked her husband about the rape - I thought she did ask if he had anything to do with it, not point blank. However, it was late at night and I really wanted to watch the episode.

Olivia did eat around the egg, though - you can see the whole egg is still there when she hands it off to Hardy to hold. She ate the bready part on the outside, which would totally be bad enough!

Ellie made a rookie parenting move, and a bad police move - she left Tom's phone in the house. No way in hell that happens, you take it with you! Then you can see who is texting your kid throughout the day.

Edited March 14, 2017 by mledawn

[jeansheridan]

6 hours ago, mledawn said:

I misunderstood when Cath asked her husband about the rape - I thought she did ask if he had anything to do with it, not point blank. However, it was late at night and I really wanted to watch the episode.

Olivia did eat around the egg, though - you can see the whole egg is still there when she hands it off to Hardy to hold. She ate the bready part on the outside, which would totally be bad enough!

Ellie made a rookie parenting move, and a bad police move - she left Tom's phone in the house. No way in hell that happens, you take it with you! Then you can see who is texting your kid throughout the day.

Oooo you are smart. Poor Ellie.  Tom is just trouble.  Stay sweet Fred!

[staveDarsky]

12 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

I wonder too, how many damn eggs did Coleman have to eat?  I remember Cumberbatch joking about a rare scene in Sherlock when he's eating toast and he had to keep taking bites of toast over and over and over and he was a tad rueful about making that acting choice.  Not that Coleman had much choice, but still.  That is a lot of egg. 

From what I've read about them, both Olivia and David are really good at hitting their marks and doing takes. I doubt she had to eat that many scotch eggs. His reaction was priceless when she plunked it in Hardy's hand. Ha ha.

BTW, David Tennant recently described how he really makes tea and it's only marginally better, not proper tea making. He's a known coffee addict, maybe that's why he's crap at tea making.

8 hours ago, Piplingmb said:

I love watching the relationship between Hardy and Ellie the bickering and Ellie fussing over him trying to make him eat.  I think this season there's more respect for each other.  That's totally Hardy that he didn't make contact the 2 years he was away. Love that he brought Daisy back to Broadchurch and secretly he must have missed Ellie to go back there. Notice that she has driven Hardy every time apart from when they were taking Trish to the centre.

Well, if you caught this week's Top Gear on BBC2, you'd have seen that David Tennant can be rather careless with a car. He put a big dent in the side of a 2-week old car while practicing for his speed lap. The Broadchurch cars are probably in safer hands with Olivia at the wheel -- when actual driving is required. LOL

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I felt a momentary twinge of sympathy for Clive when he got home and tried to say hi to his kid, who then responded by turning the volume on the tv up. Clive is no saint, but he raised this kid as his own and the kid can't even be bothered to say hello to him. I wonder if he knows that he cheats on his mom.

Cath's husband sucks. When he came home and said, "Pasta? Again?" I was like well, feel free to make your own dinner, DICK.

[madmaverick]

22 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

Food was definitely a thing in season 1.  Hardy refuses to eat the fish and chips Ellie brings him and she gets very irritated with him.  Plus he makes his tea like I do!  I reboil bags in the microwave and I have stirred with a knife handle.  Heh.  It's the details Tennant gets so right.

Ha, thanks for the reminder.  I did love that bit in the first ep where Ellie told him to make tea and he ended up snooping instead of making tea heh.

22 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

I love Ellie's "if looks could kill" at the grocery owner, Ed.  What sort of woman gets raped?  Hmph. 

Yes, love those cutting looks from Ellie.  Wouldn't be quite the same coming from a man.  Although I don't think any man has yet been so douchbaggy to suggest that Trish's sexual history or drinking somehow made her responsible for her rape.

As an aside, don't know if anyone's read about the meeting between a rape victim and her rapist, and they wrote a book called South of Forgiveness.  It's been controversial.  Also there was a judge in the UK who got into trouble on her last day as a judge before retiring when she advised women, whom of course she said could do what they wished with their bodies and that men have to adjust their behavior accordingly, but she felt she had to warn women that they're more vulnerable to attacks from predatory men when they are drunk. 

22 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

Also, I'm shocked those little shits were so rude to Hardy.  He's a bloody police officer, don't they know?  Creeps.  I would hope that Daisy would have better taste but girls can be stupid.  Neither Tom nor Daisy are the dream teens I want them to be for their parents.

Chloe seems to be the best behaved of the teens so far.  Well, we don't know what's going on with Daisy or what trouble she was in, but yeah, those teens were rude.

17 hours ago, mledawn said:

Ellie made a rookie parenting move, and a bad police move - she left Tom's phone in the house. No way in hell that happens, you take it with you! Then you can see who is texting your kid throughout the day.

Oops, that would have never occurred to me.  I'm not a parent.  But good tip.  I probably would have just checked browser history to see if there was anything else dodgy and hidden the phone in a better place.

[jeansheridan]

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 9:22 AM, madmaverick said:

but she felt she had to warn women that they're more vulnerable to attacks from predatory men when they are drunk. 

I think this is just common sense.  You are probably more likely to get mugged if you are drunk.  Or crash your car.

That said Trish was in a place surrounded by friends, old friends, so I don't think she should have felt wary.  And you know, rock to her head.  

I think the blame the victim comes a bit from the hope it won't happen to you if you do everything "right". I had a male friend who got mugged (not violently fortunately) 4 times in a year and we were all, what are you doing???? He lived in a bad neighborhood and was unlucky four times in one year. Shockingly it did not shake him that much. He was very Que sera sera about it.

Martin Freeman can't drive either.  City boys apparently.

David has a great onscreen walk so why waste it?  He's all legs. 

Edited March 17, 2017 by jeansheridan

[secnarf]

I have just seen this episode - it airs a week late in Canada. I have a bad feeling that the porn Tom and his friend are distributing in some way involves Trish's rape. I don't think they'd go so far as to have Tom be the one actually raping and filming Trish, but I suspect that wherever he got this porn, that will lead to Trish's rapist.

[eejm]

On 3/21/2017 at 7:32 PM, secnarf said:

I have just seen this episode - it airs a week late in Canada. I have a bad feeling that the porn Tom and his friend are distributing in some way involves Trish's rape. I don't think they'd go so far as to have Tom be the one actually raping and filming Trish, but I suspect that wherever he got this porn, that will lead to Trish's rapist.

I wonder if it's some creepy ring of a serial rapist who is somehow taping assaults and distributing them.  If that's the case, this is another instance in which a huge part of what she's investigating is happening right under her nose.  Granted, I doubt Tom is the rapist (please let that not be so) but if he has a video of the rape and she doesn't know it...

Criminy, how many people were wandering around by the lake at that party?  So far besides Trish we have Ian (who woke up there), Ed (who the band guy saw wandering off down there), and one of the caterers (who took a cigarette break there).  At this rate it's a wonder they didn't bump into each other.  

Poor Ellie constantly being denied food.  "Grouchy and thin, thin and grouchy..."

[smorbie]

On 3/14/2017 at 10:50 AM, mledawn said:

Mark Lattimer needs serious help, he is absolutely wasting his life away, poor guy.

He's stuck.  I'm sure he feels if lets go and moves forward, he will be disloyal to Danny and it will be like he's forgetting him.  It's really the opposite of the way I thought It would be.  He was so thrilled with little Lizzie that I thought he might be okay.

[Milburn Stone]

On 3/15/2017 at 1:31 AM, staveDarsky said:

From what I've read about them, both Olivia and David are really good at hitting their marks and doing takes. I doubt she had to eat that many scotch eggs.

When I used to make commercials involving eating scenes, we had a spit bucket next to the actor (but out of the shot) for him or her to spit out the chewed food at the end of every take before swallowing it. Otherwise the actor would get nauseous from overeating. I assume that's still the practice.

[voiceover]

There's a Kate Hepburn story that involves take after take after take while eating...something...(scrambled eggs IIRC), that she never touched again.  I'm hip.

The mystery is annoying the crap out of me because I can't keep track of the suspects & their muttering.  I would benefit hugely by same-night rewatching.  Like in the days of yore!  Did anyone here get the explanation from BBCA about the "no reruns" approach?  I'd like to find the dartboard dictating this policy & break it into tiny little pieces.

Once again, Miller & Hardy & the Constant Food Bickering save the hour.  Now I'm more interested in Hardy's "real reason" for returning.

Shallowness:  Lenny Henry sure did age well.

[ghoulina]

I watched the first two seasons on Netlfix just this spring. So I was able to use subtitles. Watching in regular time definitely makes me feel like I'm missing some stuff. I also think I either need a new prescription for my glasses or we've set the TV too far from the couches in our new house. Sometimes I have to pause the screen and get closer. I couldn't read the text messages show in this episode without doing so. And I still am not sure who was in that locket that the cab driver was looking at at the end. 

I agree there ARE  a lot of suspects now and it's hard keeping track of them all. But I'd rather a show that makes me work for it, than one that's so obvious and easy from the start. 

The owner of the venue perked my ears up this episode. He seemed to be acting overly appalled by what happened at his facility. I'm not saying there's ANY level of appalled that is "too much" where rape is concerned. But just something about his demeanor was a little "doth protest too much". Also, I can't recall exactly where on the grounds Trish was raped, but something about him saying "HIS spot" was under the tree by the waterfall stuck out to me. 

But I'm still on the cab driver. I noticed that second text Trish got was right after the detectives left him. And his resigned wife just made me profoundly sad. 

I continue to love Ellie and Alec's banter. "Thin and grumpy!" Bahahaha, can't a girl just get a bite to eat? 

It was sad seeing Ellie walking home and having a moment of legit fear, as that man walked toward her on the sidewalk. Horrible crimes can happen anywhere, but people in small towns really do kind of think they're shielded from this stuff. 

[ghoulina]

On 3/14/2017 at 3:04 AM, Ravenya003 said:

So Mark brings a lawyer to the house to discuss reopening the case against Joe without prewarning his wife and daughter about it? WTF is wrong with these people? God, I'm so over the Lattimers.

I have to say, I am as well. And I was one who was never bothered by either of them the first 2 seasons. But their scenes just feel like filler now. I like seeing Beth in her new capacity as family liaison (or whatever they're called); it fits. And it's a nice way to include her. But other than that, I'm over them. I think if we're going to focus on outside-the-case-family-stuff, it should just be Ellie and Alec's at this point. Just my personal preference. 

 

On 3/14/2017 at 8:39 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

It was a plastic keychain with a picture of Trish and her daughter.

Ahhh, thank you. Should have read before posting. I really could not tell who it was. That guy is definitely weird. He had a date with her? He's a history of pushing too far with women? He's unaccounted for that night? 

 

On 3/14/2017 at 0:17 PM, jeansheridan said:

I love Ellie's "if looks could kill" at the grocery owner, Ed.  What sort of woman gets raped?  Hmph.

Oh Lord yes, that pissed me off as well. He seemed like a nice enough guy.....then he utters that. It's insulting on so many levels. Trish is too ugly to be raped? Women dressed sexy deserve to be raped? Rape is not even about attraction. Sigh.....Ellie didn't even feel like explaining at that point. 

 

On 3/14/2017 at 1:00 PM, jeansheridan said:

Also, how bad is Cathy and whatshisname's marriage if she needs to ask him if he raped their friend?

Considering how disappointed he looked in "pasta again", I'd say pretty bad. 

 

On 3/21/2017 at 7:32 PM, secnarf said:

I have just seen this episode - it airs a week late in Canada. I have a bad feeling that the porn Tom and his friend are distributing in some way involves Trish's rape. I don't think they'd go so far as to have Tom be the one actually raping and filming Trish, but I suspect that wherever he got this porn, that will lead to Trish's rapist.

Oh gosh, I didn't even think of that. I hope you're wrong.....but.....

[Jodithgrace]

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Wasn't sure of the significance of the locket photo that cabbie looked at in the end scene.

There was something about that locked drawer of "stuff," that made me think of a serial killer (or in this case, rapist) keeping souvenirs  of all of his victims. I couldn't see what all was there and didn't even realize the the locket had photos of Trish and Leah, but I think that drawer is a giant CLUE. But, of course, could also turn out to be entirely innocent, or incriminating for a different crime, all-together. 

That Tommy gives me the creeps. He reminds me of vintage Justin Beiber, which IMO, is NOT a good thing. LOL Poor Ellie. 

[DoubleUTeeEff]

4 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I also think I either need a new prescription for my glasses or we've set the TV too far from the couches in our new house. Sometimes I have to pause the screen and get closer. I couldn't read the text messages show in this episode without doing so.

This is my pet peeve of TV watching today. I have bad eyesight and can never read off of a character's phone. I like how House of Cards (American version) puts text messages up on the screen so I can easily read them. Otherwise, I completely miss it. I'm too lazy to pause, rewind, pause again and get off of my chair and get close enough to read it.

When Hardy said the case was making him feel bad about being a man, I instantly thought of "About a Boy" by Nick Hornby when the main character goes to a single parent's meeting. It was all women except him and they all had horrible stories about their exes. Anyway he said that it made him want to cut off his own penis by the end of it. Not sure if that made it into the movie.

If I were Trish, I would tell the detectives who I slept with that morning and ask them to keep it on the down low. Maybe only talk to him about it. She's knows that they want to know for their investigation so if they are digging for it without her, it's more likely to come out in a way that doesn't stay a secret. Of course, that's easy for me to say watching from the outside. And I guess it's still not a guarantee that it will stay a secret.

I do like that this show really shows the victim's POV. Usually when a women is murdered or raped in TV or film, it's all about everyone else's reaction to it. Often even the perpetrator gets a POV. So I really enjoyed when Trish told Ellie how she was feeling and how she was thinking about what she did to cause this and Ellie meekly confessed that she didn't know how that felt. Trish also talked to her friend about how she couldn't believe that it wasn't a stranger but now she wasn't so sure. And we saw her hiding from her ex-husband when he came over.

I wonder if the flowers are something nefarious or innocuous. That is something that can really mess with a victim's head. Usually flowers are a nice thing, but if you are worried about a stalker or sexual harasser...it's just another horrible feeling.

[Jodithgrace]

The thing is, normal floral deliveries don't usually arrive late at night via deposit and run. Flowers that are delivered like this are almost never from Aunt Tillie or the girls at the office. Maybe florists offer a "stalker special."

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, DoubleUTeeEff said:

I do like that this show really shows the victim's POV. Usually when a women is murdered or raped in TV or film, it's all about everyone else's reaction to it. Often even the perpetrator gets a POV. So I really enjoyed when Trish told Ellie how she was feeling and how she was thinking about what she did to cause this and Ellie meekly confessed that she didn't know how that felt. Trish also talked to her friend about how she couldn't believe that it wasn't a stranger but now she wasn't so sure. And we saw her hiding from her ex-husband when he came over.

I agree. They are doing a really good job with it. I also like her conversations with Beth, and how they can sort of relate on the level of having to move on from a tragic experience. Not exactly the same, but still. The show is giving a lot of weight to Trish and the aftermath for a rape victim. It's hard to watch, but I appreciate it. 

[seacliffsal]

I am so committed to this show.  I watched other shows that I used to find interesting and suspenseful that in later seasons really took a long time to build their stories (looking at you Fargo).  However, this season of Broadchurch has really grabbed my attention and interest.  I can hardly wait for next week!

I am finding myself more and more drawn into what Trish is experiencing (the aftermath) as well as the frustration from the law about disclosing with whom she had sex the morning of her attack.  From the outside, I really want them to start narrowing down the suspects and eliminate the DNA from her earlier dalliance.  However, from the inside it may be like she is losing control over her life after being raped-much of that control being taken by the police.  That, combined with not knowing if it was a stranger or one of her "friends" must just be so overwhelming.

I really think that the actors are just superb.

[AnnieBeez]

I'm enjoying the show overall. I love the Ellie and Hardy dynamic. Her son with the Bieber hair is a little creep, though. Also, it bugs that the kid calls the cab driver his "stepdad." Hasn't he been his dad since he was born, not bio I know but his dad.

[izabella]

9 hours ago, ghoulina said:

The owner of the venue perked my ears up this episode. He seemed to be acting overly appalled by what happened at his facility. I'm not saying there's ANY level of appalled that is "too much" where rape is concerned. But just something about his demeanor was a little "doth protest too much". Also, I can't recall exactly where on the grounds Trish was raped, but something about him saying "HIS spot" was under the tree by the waterfall stuck out to me. 

I got the impression that was an ancestral, historical, family home that they now rented out for events.  Since there had been a rape on premises, I can see how they might not want to rent it out anymore and just use it for themselves.  It was "his" spot, because it was his home.

[theatremouse]

On 3/14/2017 at 1:04 AM, Ravenya003 said:

Certainly a lot of threads drawn together tonight: not only is Tom's friend the stepson of the taxi driver, but Trish's ex-husband knows the guy at the fishing place - and has something on his laptop that he wants removed. I'm guessing ... something to do with surveillance of his wife/daughter?

I don't think he said it was his laptop. I think he said "the laptop". And I think the reason he wanted it wiped remotely is because dude had fish guy install spyware on his wife's laptop, like maybe he's turning on the webcam remotely and spying, etc. So it'll be harder for him to get the computer to bring to dude to have stuff removed. That's my theory.

On 3/14/2017 at 2:38 AM, madmaverick said:

Tom and his friend might be looking at a video of the actual rape?

That's exactly what I thought he was watching as soon as he stole his phone back.

[DoubleUTeeEff]

21 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

The thing is, normal floral deliveries don't usually arrive late at night via deposit and run. Flowers that are delivered like this are almost never from Aunt Tillie or the girls at the office. Maybe florists offer a "stalker special."

You're not wrong! But...this is a TV show. So I can see it going a few ways. It could be that it's the rapist or someone who is protecting the rapist trying to intimidate Trish. For example, I can see the cab driver's wife trying to protect her husband. Or it could just be someone who likes Trish but can't sign the card because they're trying to keep their affair a secret, like whoever she slept with the morning of the rape. It's possible he doesn't even know about the rape and wouldn't know that leaving flowers like that would be weird. I know it's strange for someone to drop off flowers and run off like that but I'd believe it in a whodunnit where there are multiple clues, some of which turn out to be red herrings. It's possible whoever sent them paid someone to drop them off. And it's a different kind of message "Thinking of you" vs. the "Shut up or else" text message.

[Mabinogia]

10 hours ago, theatremouse said:

I don't think he said it was his laptop. I think he said "the laptop". And I think the reason he wanted it wiped remotely is because dude had fish guy install spyware on his wife's laptop, like maybe he's turning on the webcam remotely and spying, etc. So it'll be harder for his to get the computer to bring to dude to have stuff removed. That's my theory.

The way he acted, wanting the guy to do it remotely, not bringing the laptop with him, makes me think it is definitely NOT his laptop. I wasn't sure who's it might be, though webcamming the wife makes sense. Maybe the porn wasn't the rape but video the husband is getting from his creepy spy cam.

[12catcrazy]

I love this show - always keeps me guessing.   A few of you are thinking that the boys might be watching Trish's rape on the phone - what if what they're watching involves Daisy?   We haven't been told exactly what trouble she had gotten into that made her father bring her to Broadchurch to live with him.   And the insolent boys who came looking for her - what did want with her?  

[Milburn Stone]

I continue to be irritated by Ellie's continuing need to correct the world of its attitudes that don't pass muster. "Oh, and just what kind of woman does get raped, in your opinion?" Show, you're preaching to the choir. Ellie, the best thing you can do to help stop rape is to solve the crime.

[tennisgurl]

Poor Hardy, no wonder he feels bad for being a man. Every guy connected to this case is an asshole or just plain creepy. The least creepy person we`ve seen is the friend of Toms, who at least seems to feel bad about his porn habit and showing up at Hardy's. Even Tom has turned out to be a little shit, he clearly takes more after his dad than Ellie. Granted, I don't think watching and distributing porn makes you a rapist, but he just comes off as such a little skeeze. Also, Ellies dad was kind of a dick to Paul when he dropped the kids off. I mean, its nice that he's being so helpful with the grandkids, but did he have to tell Paul that you think his life's work is bullshit? Its fine that he's not religious, and he doesn't have to pretend to be to Paul, but he could at least not tell him to his face he thinks his faith is stupid. Maybe just because we know how Paul has suffered from feeling useless lately, but you know that must have hurt him to hear.

Miller and Hardy banter is still always a great thing. Loved her getting on him about how he never eats, and him snarking about her Scottish egg. They really do make a great team, and you can see that whenever they're interviewing their millions of possible witnesses. Usually Ellie is the good cop, and Hardy is the bad cop, but they can easily switch it up, with Ellie being more steely, and Hardy making more of a comforting presence in his confident professionalism. Granted, Hardy will never be a people person, but he has certainly comes along way from the brittle outsider of season one who could hardly stand to make small talk with a person, and was constantly on the offensive. Not that I blame him, after what all he went through, but he has definitely gotten warmer over the years. I actually laughed when the one female cop said how Hardy "but her head off", when this is clearly the kinder and gentler Hardy. Plus, Hardy has zero pressure for any kind of nonsense, its not personal.

I'm really riveted by the whole story of Trish and her attempts to deal with the aftermath of the rape. I think she's hiding something, but I understand why she's being cagey about some things. She feels like her life is out of control, and now she cant even keep her secrets. I do hope she spills soon though, it really could someone be involved with the case. Also, with the creepy texts and the creepy flowers, I'm wondering if this is personal, and not some serial rapist. The guy could easily still rape again, but this all seems like someone who is personally connected to Trish.

I bet that Toms friend knows that Clive is cheating on his mom, hence him disliking his stepdad. We saw him making an effort with him, and the kid blowing him off, so that could be a reason he doesn't like the guy. Not sure if this will all have anything to do with anything, but its interesting.

[Mabinogia]

My heart goes out to Trish. I understand how she doesn't want to reveal who she slept with because it is her personal business and hasn't she had to give up enough of herself by being raped, now she's not allowed her secrets, her privacy? But that said, if they find his DNA on her he's going to become a suspect because they don't know he's the one she had consensual sex with and things will be far worse for him, and her to an extent, if that happens. I hate that a woman's life becomes open to extensive probing because she was a victim. It's a bit like victimizing her all over again. But in this case, it makes a bit of sense since they are trying to rule out anyone they can.

The actress playing Trish is phenomenal. That had to be a very challenging role to play.

At first I was angry that she is the one who had to go to Kath to talk, but then I thought, it's probably better that she open up when she's ready rather than having Kath show up at her doorstep wanting to talk before Trish was really ready.

This show is so beautifully nuanced. As difficult as the subject matter is, it is quite beautiful to watch.

[katalizt]

22 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

At first I was angry that she is the one who had to go to Kath to talk, but then I thought, it's probably better that she open up when she's ready rather than having Kath show up at her doorstep wanting to talk before Trish was really ready.

I agree. Kath tried to call Trish but she didn't answer, and I'm glad Kath respected that Trish wasn't ready to talk to her. We saw what happened when her ex husband tried to go visit; Trish hid because she wasn't ready to talk to him.

[Voice of Joy]

On 3/21/2017 at 7:32 PM, secnarf said:

I have just seen this episode - it airs a week late in Canada. I have a bad feeling that the porn Tom and his friend are distributing in some way involves Trish's rape. I don't think they'd go so far as to have Tom be the one actually raping and filming Trish, but I suspect that wherever he got this porn, that will lead to Trish's rapist.

I thnk you may be right about the porn connection leading to the rapist, but this show has fooled me before...

 

I love the Hardy/Miller bickering above all things, but also their commiserating about single parenthood.  Hardy's beginning to open up to her - good to see.  He all but admitted he missed her.

 

Ditto to those above who appreciated that scene of Miller walking alone at night and eyeing the man.  We've all been there.

 

Also ditto that Mark Lattimer will go after Tom.  I suspect it will not end well.

 

Love this show.

 

PS - the cab driver is too dodgy to be the rapist - too obvious, I think

Edited July 15, 2017 by Voice of Joy

[Jodithgrace]

I don't think that the porn Tommy has is the rape. The closed captioning describes the sound of the video as "woman moaning," which makes it sound like pretty standard stuff. It certainly doesn't seem like the violence of Trish's rape, and the kids aren't reacting to it like that, either. But that doesn't mean there isn't a connection, however.

[jeansheridan]

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 5:44 AM, ghoulina said:

He seemed like a nice enough guy.....then he utters that. It's insulting on so many levels.

I don't agree with him but I am glad the writers adknowleged something a lot of people believe.  

I am feeling this season has an air of Public Service Announcement about it. Trish is a client, not victim, rape is an act of aggression, how many drinks she had doesn't matter, her age doesn't matter, etc, Hardy being ashamed of being a man (where was the shame when two guys murdered children? ). Not understanding the psychology of a rapist but he gets killing a child?  Hardy just seems a tad slower this season.  

Here Is hoping another murder happens soon.

[jeansheridan]

Also that white board with all the suspects?  Beautiful.   She had a right to look a tad smug.

[ghoulina]

On 7/13/2017 at 5:26 PM, izabella said:

I got the impression that was an ancestral, historical, family home that they now rented out for events.  Since there had been a rape on premises, I can see how they might not want to rent it out anymore and just use it for themselves.  It was "his" spot, because it was his home.

Right? I understood that it was a family place and he had spent time there as a kid. I just wondered if his "spot" wasn't right around where she was raped. Like he chose that spot, because it was special to him. Something about the interaction raised my hackles a bit. But I'll admit I watch/read a lot of mysteries so I'm always suspicious of everyone!

[carrps]

On 3/14/2017 at 3:30 PM, mledawn said:

 

Olivia did eat around the egg, though - you can see the whole egg is still there when she hands it off to Hardy to hold. She ate the bready part on the outside, which would totally be bad enough!

 

Yes, but that was bad continuity because you could see her actually biting into the egg part earlier in the scene. Doesn't a Scotch egg have sausage in the coating, too? That would be especially nauseating, I would think, to keep eating.

Tom sure seems to take after his dad, eh?

[Milburn Stone]

On 7/13/2017 at 7:44 AM, ghoulina said:

Oh Lord yes, that pissed me off as well. He seemed like a nice enough guy.....then he utters that. It's insulting on so many levels. Trish is too ugly to be raped? Women dressed sexy deserve to be raped? Rape is not even about attraction. Sigh.....Ellie didn't even feel like explaining at that point. 

And yet she did, didn't she? With her rejoinder, "And what sort of woman does get raped, in your opinion?" (Or words to that effect.) A remark that did nothing to get her any closer to solving the crime, but just gave her the pleasure of "correcting" someone's attitudes again.

Most viewers, I have to believe, are evolved enough to know that rape is about power, and that any person can be the victim of it. Most people are evolved enough to know that. (Not all. But most.) Ed apparently is an exception, but In having Ellie make a point of it to him, all the show is demonstrating is that it's behind the times. 

Mansplaining is offensive. But so is Ellie's womansplaining.

Edited July 15, 2017 by Milburn Stone

[Desperately Random]

On 7/13/2017 at 5:44 AM, ghoulina said:

Oh Lord yes, that pissed me off as well. He seemed like a nice enough guy.....then he utters that. It's insulting on so many levels. Trish is too ugly to be raped? Women dressed sexy deserve to be raped? Rape is not even about attraction. Sigh.....Ellie didn't even feel like explaining at that point. 

 

46 minutes ago, Milburn Stone said:

And yet she did, didn't she? With her rejoinder, "And what sort of woman does get raped, in your opinion?" (Or words to that effect.) A remark that did nothing to get her any closer to solving the crime, but just gave her the pleasure of "correcting" someone's attitudes again.

No, she didn't explain. She asked him a simple question about his opinion on what sort of women does get raped. I don't see that as an explanation. As for that remark not doing anything to solve the crime, this guy was still a suspect, so who is to say his thoughts on what kind of woman get raped aren't relevant. At this point in the investigation, they had no idea what would be important and were still trying to figure out the mindset of the rapist. As for the pleasure it gave her to ask the question, I don't see the problem. Asking it did nothing to hurt the investigation. And I for one was glad she said it. 

[Mabinogia]

5 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Right? I understood that it was a family place and he had spent time there as a kid. I just wondered if his "spot" wasn't right around where she was raped. Like he chose that spot, because it was special to him. Something about the interaction raised my hackles a bit. But I'll admit I watch/read a lot of mysteries so I'm always suspicious of everyone!

My thinking is, that bit was mentioned one, to throw suspicion on the owner because suspicion has to be thrown on anyone with a penis on the show, but also hinting that maybe it was someone familiar with the property, who would know the best place to attack her with minimal chance of getting caught.

If it was the owner I'd find it odd that this was the first time he ever did it. So if they do go that route, I expect we will get other women coming forward. If not, I'm guessing it is someone who has been there before and knows the property.

[jeansheridan]

4 hours ago, Milburn Stone said:

Mansplaining is offensive. But so is Ellie's womansplaining.

Edited 3 hours ago by Milburn Stone.

Totally agree.  Although I did love her snark with the fishing line punk.  

But sadly I don't think most people ARE that evolved.  Kids watching girls get raped while passed out drunk is a thing.  Something in our culture tells them that is an okay thing to do.  

Lindy West's book Shrill has a whole chapter on the Internet trolls that have threatened her with rape and then some trolls who say she is too fat to be raped.  It is maddening.

Oh and I think I noticed a clue.  Trish said she was raped outside but in her interview she said he banged her head against the floor!  I rarely catch details.

[Chyromaniac]

14 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

Oh and I think I noticed a clue.  Trish said she was raped outside but in her interview she said he banged her head against the floor!  I rarely catch details.

In ecological terms, the forest "floor" is basically the layer right on top of the actual soil where decomposition takes place.  It's mostly made up of stuff like dead leaves and twigs, as well as the organisms that break them down.  This was discussed a bit in the previous episode thread, and someone suggested that it's also an older term that might still be used in the UK as a synonym for ground.  In any case, my guess is that if it were meant to be a discrepancy in her testimony, that Hardy and Miller would have asked her to clarify during her statement - or, that they would have discussed it after.  But hey, I could be wrong - I suppose we'll find out in 4-5 weeks...