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7 hours ago, rmontro said:

The theory Teddy (the Russian woman) had about the military murdering the hikers didn't explain why the tents were cut open from the inside.  I guess she figured the soldiers did it.  But again, there were no other footprints supposedly.

I thought it was interesting when they explained about the stove not being lit, that they had not lit the stove the night before either.  It's hard to believe they could stay warm in those temperatures without it, but I guess when you're out in the cold that much, you get used to it after awhile.  

Yeah, I didn't buy her theory either.

Not using the stove and with the clothing they wore and I believe Josh said they had leather boots sounded crazy to me even if you are used to that kind of weather, how warm can those tents be that you take off your socks and clothes? Or maybe they took them off to dry because they were wet? Then we have Josh and his crew bundled up, using hand/feet warmers and he said he was still cold. Heck, my house in winter without using my heater doesn't drop below 54 degrees and I'm bundled up with heavy socks, blankets, my robe and I'm still chilly, lol. It reminds me of this documentary I watched on the first men to reach the summit of Mt Everest. In the footage some of the men have tank tops on. Different times, I guess.

I hope Josh does an update on this after the government investigation.

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2 hours ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

how warm can those tents be that you take off your socks and clothes? Or maybe they took them off to dry because they were wet?

That's what I think.  It can be warmer to take your socks off than to keep wet footwear on.

I saw online the Russian investigation began in February.  I don't expect much out of it, but we'll see.  Josh said that one possibility with the broken bones was that the weight of the snow broke them after they died.  I'm pretty sure that with modern forensics, they can determine if a bone is broken when the victim was alive or dead.  I guess they didn't have that capability back then. I'm no expert, so I don't know if they could tell now or not if they exhumed the bodies.  They may not even be inclined to do such a thing.  They may not even be interested in finding the truth, who knows?

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I think they explained away a lot of the mysteries pretty well. For me, the biggest mystery is why the tent was cut from the inside. The only reason I can think is that the entry was blocked, and you need an alternative way to get out. This would go with the avalanche theory. But why did one of the hikers have a camera around his neck? He had enough time to grab his camera but not his clothes? Unless it was already around his neck when whatever happened made them flee the tent...

I do hope the new investigation can come up with some answers. This is one of those mysteries that you can't stop thinking about.

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21 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

I think they explained away a lot of the mysteries pretty well. For me, the biggest mystery is why the tent was cut from the inside. The only reason I can think is that the entry was blocked, and you need an alternative way to get out. This would go with the avalanche theory.

That is a good question, why cut the tent from the inside?  Why not just go out the entrance?  And why damage your tent in that kind of weather, when you need it for survival?

The entrance wasn't blocked when the investigators arrived.  There was some snow on it, but nothing that would make it impossible to leave.  I suppose if there was an avalanche, the blockage could have been temporary somehow, maybe the snow slid past later.  Doesn't explain the lights though.  Maybe there were explosions and that set off an avalanche lol.

I did take it that the guy with the camera already had it around his neck when they left the tent.  I'd like to know how much time passed between when he took the pictures of the lights and when they had to leave the tent.  I don't suppose we'll ever really know for sure what happened.

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On ‎9‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 6:16 PM, rmontro said:

I don't suppose we'll ever really know for sure what happened.

I agree, I don't think we will. I did just watch a show on Discovery called "Russian Yeti, the killer lives" it was filmed 5 years ago I think. It was interesting and they found the same document Josh did that was dated before the bodies were found. The host isn't as engaging as Josh, but if you ask me no one is ;-)

One thing I did hate about the Russian Yeti show is the background music. Your trying to listen to what they're hearing and all you hear is loud music, grrrrrrr! Anyways, since it was about the Dyatlov Pass I thought some of you might want to check it out. 

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2 hours ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

One thing I did hate about the Russian Yeti show is the background music. Your trying to listen to what they're hearing and all you hear is loud music, grrrrrrr! Anyways, since it was about the Dyatlov Pass I thought some of you might want to check it out. 

Thanks, I will check it out.  It's on the SCI channel Sunday night, 9-22-19.  They're running it several times that night so it shouldn't be hard to catch.

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I watched "Code of the Wild", which is an oddly named treasure hunting show on the Travel Channel, the other night.  They also had a show on Jose Gaspar, which I thought was funny since Expedition Unknown had just aired a show on the same subject.  

"Code" didn't spend so much time talking about Gaspar maybe being fictional, but instead tried following the footsteps of Juan Gomez, Gaspar's first mate.  They did some digging in a swamp and also on Panther Key.  Just like Josh, they found a musket ball.  Almost makes you think both shows have the same writers, since they both ended the same way.

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On 9/14/2019 at 5:31 PM, foxfreakinmulder said:

I did just watch a show on Discovery called "Russian Yeti, the killer lives" it was filmed 5 years ago I think. It was interesting and they found the same document Josh did that was dated before the bodies were found.

Watched this tonight, there were a couple of things I found interesting.

They talked about a military boot cover being found near the bodies, which along with the document with the early date, would seem to suggest that the military found the bodies originally.

The Mansi people were not presented as being so friendly as they were on Expedition Unknown (which led Josh to eliminate them as suspects).  In fact, the whole village hid and only one person would talk to them.  They also talked about a Mansi shaman who had killed an outsider for trespassing in the 30s.  

There were horizontal slits cut near the top of the tent, which appeared to be viewing holes so that they could see outside the tent.  It appears they were watching something outside that was of interest to them.

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16 hours ago, rmontro said:

They talked about a military boot cover being found near the bodies, which along with the document with the early date, would seem to suggest that the military found the bodies originally.

The Mansi people were not presented as being so friendly as they were on Expedition Unknown (which led Josh to eliminate them as suspects).  In fact, the whole village hid and only one person would talk to them.  They also talked about a Mansi shaman who had killed an outsider for trespassing in the 30s.  

There were horizontal slits cut near the top of the tent, which appeared to be viewing holes so that they could see outside the tent.  It appears they were watching something outside that was of interest to them.

Yeah, if the military was there first they had to cover their snow tracks and it looks more and more like they were. I don't see any other reason from 1 military boot cover to be there.

That was interesting about the Mansi Shaman that killed an outsider but I don't think they could do anything that would scare them out of the tent without clothes/shoes.

I had read years ago about the slits in the top of the tent. I hadn't read/heard they were all pointing towards the forest until this show.

I didn't like how they focused so much on that one picture and pretty much declared it a snow beast or whatever they called it. I think this guy landed on that being the cause of whatever happened to the hikers. I could barely hear the sounds from the forest because the background music was so loud but I wished he had taken the recording somewhere to have it analyzed so we know if an animal in that area makes those sounds.

It was an interesting show and I wonder why one of the hikers wrote down "the snow beast or man or creature, whatever they called it, lives" I guess we'll never know.

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2 hours ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

I didn't like how they focused so much on that one picture and pretty much declared it a snow beast or whatever they called it. I think this guy landed on that being the cause of whatever happened to the hikers. I could barely hear the sounds from the forest because the background music was so loud but I wished he had taken the recording somewhere to have it analyzed so we know if an animal in that area makes those sounds.

There was a caption on the screen at the end of the second episode that said that the audio clip had been analyzed and that it wasn't from any known animal.  It sounded kind of like a distorted train whistle to me, lol.

As I said in an above post, it appears to me that the figure in the picture is wearing pants.  It's more clear when they show the picture lighter rather than darker. 

Despite what they said about the Mansi, my gut feeling is they had nothing to do with it, but who knows?

The fact that the eye slits were looking toward the forest is interesting.  Even more odd that they ran in that direction - the direction of whatever they were watching.  It seems so odd that if they were in a hurry to get out of the tent, why wouldn't they use the door (or the flap or whatever it's called)?

It was a very interesting show, but I had a few problems with it.  If this Yeti thing is so dangerous, why the heck would the guy camp outside the cave and go chasing after it in the dark, where it nested?  Especially when later, they were afraid to stay in the forest when the hunter with the rifle left.

At the beginning the narrator also said that all the hikers had massive injuries, which was not the case.  But I can chalk that up to human error.

2 hours ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

It was an interesting show and I wonder why one of the hikers wrote down "the snow beast or man or creature, whatever they called it, lives" I guess we'll never know.

"Snowman", I think it was.  That was very odd.  Might have been unrelated.  Just like Edmund Hillary said he saw Yeti tracks when climbing Everest.

About the only thing I can say with any certainty is that the hikers were either scared out of their tent, or they simply went crazy.  When I first heard this story I thought that maybe they went crazy from hypothermia.

Weird things happen in Siberia apparently.

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3 hours ago, rmontro said:

There was a caption on the screen at the end of the second episode that said that the audio clip had been analyzed and that it wasn't from any known animal.  It sounded kind of like a distorted train whistle to me, lol.

As I said in an above post, it appears to me that the figure in the picture is wearing pants.  It's more clear when they show the picture lighter rather than darker. 

Despite what they said about the Mansi, my gut feeling is they had nothing to do with it, but who knows?

The fact that the eye slits were looking toward the forest is interesting.  Even more odd that they ran in that direction - the direction of whatever they were watching.  It seems so odd that if they were in a hurry to get out of the tent, why wouldn't they use the door (or the flap or whatever it's called)?

It was a very interesting show, but I had a few problems with it.  If this Yeti thing is so dangerous, why the heck would the guy camp outside the cave and go chasing after it in the dark, where it nested?  Especially when later, they were afraid to stay in the forest when the hunter with the rifle left.

I missed that about the audio being analyzed. I would've really liked to have listen to that audio without the background music.

I think that picture is one of the hikers, I don't know if I see pants or clothes but it doesn't look hairy. Also, the one clip they showed of the "Yeti" next to the water looked like a small man but he said the person filming was saying "Yeti, Yeti".

I thought that was strange too that they ran towards the forest, the same direction they cut slits to look at something. I wonder if they didn't use the door is because it was tied and would've taken longer to escape.

That whole scene of them camping in the cave seemed staged to me for some reason and like you said he chased after it but later was afraid to stay without the hunter with the rifle.

Wasn't the last pictures on the roll of film the lights? I wonder if those were taken through the slits and that would explain why he still had the camera around his neck when found.

Hypothermia would explain why they didn't have clothes on when they ran out of the tent. And maybe he was right when he said some ran and the others went out looking for them and that's why some had clothes on and some didn't. Or was that on EU they said that? I might be getting the shows mixed up ;-) 

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1 hour ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

I wonder if they didn't use the door is because it was tied and would've taken longer to escape.

That's possible, I don't know much about tents lol.

If you Google a picture of the hikers' "yeti" picture, you can see that the lower part of the body is darker than the top part.  Which appears to me to be pants that are a different color than the coat.  The pointy head would obviously be the hood of the jacket.

I also wondered if that picture of the lights (which was their last picture) was taken through the slits.  It might even explain why it isn't clearly in focus.

I believe on EU they said that the hikers who lived longer took clothes from the dead in an attempt to keep warm.  You have a point that maybe a few of them went crazy from hypothermia and ran out, and the others went after them to try to save them.  It's all conjecture though.

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Josh returned to The Secret in the most recent episode.  I really thought they were going to find a box in this one, but it was only more disappointment.  That one couple's theory about the shadows being the "master key" sounded very plausible.  Regardless, it's still a very interesting topic.  

Kind of annoying that treasure hunters have to get a permit to dig in the parks where the boxes are buried though.

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I'm glad they revisited The Secret, but bummer that they didn't find anything. I remember reading an article that was written after the first show aired, and the Milwaukee parks system was not very happy that people were coming in and digging up the park. It makes sense that you would need a permit. What if you accidentally hit a power line or sprinkler system? Also, it just ruins the landscape. 

I'm not sure about the shadow theory. It seems way too complex. I wish they would have explained it a bit more. Back in the 80s, they didn't have computer programs like the one they used on the show, so to expect a treasure hunter back then to figure it out would be pretty demanding.

I wonder how many of the remaining caskets have been dug up, by accident. During construction, etc. Hopefully there are still a few left, and they are found by people who know what they are.

Also, the little in-between commercials clip of Josh running in Alice Cooper and finding out he was a fan was great. Josh was so happy!

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At least Josh did find an ancient artifact this time...it was Alice Cooper!   (I keed, I keed)  

It was a cool moment though and you could tell Josh was giddy as a little kid upon meeting him.

I had hoped that since they were doing a revisit of this episode, he would actually find one of those boxes this time.  Guess not.  I do think D&D were on the right track though.   The box could very well be in that park. 

I do think some are overthinking it though with the shadows.  I mean, did the shadows theory work with the Chicago and Cleveland finds?  I don't think that was a factor in either one of them.  And remember, there was no Google or internet as we know now back then.  You kinda have to think how Byron Preiss would have designed these clues in order for people to find the treasure boxes.  Which is why I don't believe he would have come up with complex stuff like figuring how the sun/shadow position at certain times of the year to bury his boxes.

Loved the '80s references and the intro to this episode.  It was very entertaining.  Even though it was a bit frustrating once again that Josh didn't come up with what he was looking for.  Oh well.  Maybe a Secret part 3 will be in the works at some point.

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I think this might have been my favorite episode of the series, along with the first Secret one. I find it really fascinating. I said to my husband that I didn't understand how I had never heard of all this until now, but then I remembered that there was no internet back then so yeah, it's plausible, lol.

I was practically on the edge of my seat because I also figured that they must've found one since they were revisiting it, but alas, no. 

The '80s tv show stuff was great, and the Alice Cooper segment was just awesome. 

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19 hours ago, Gothish520 said:

I was practically on the edge of my seat because I also figured that they must've found one since they were revisiting it, but alas, no. 

Yeah, that's what I thought, and it stands to reason.  I'm really surprised only two of the ten boxes have been found, considering how much information is out there, and how they seem to have a lot of them narrowed down pretty far.  Having to get permits probably slows things up considerably. 

I'm wondering if the author buried those boxes illegally, or if the permits weren't necessary to dig back then.  They said he buried some of them disguised as a construction worker lol.

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