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13 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

I don't think that the fact that is isn't shown is necessarily proof of coercion/litigation/blackmail/insert other shadowy conspiracy theory. It's totally possible they simply chose not to show it and that they may have chosen not to show when whats-her-name got released after the calendar shoot in the earlier seasons. Not every story can or will be told. Part of promoting this team's brand is to show that this is hard work and it isn't all butterflies and rainbows, but they also want this to be seen as an admirable, aspirational experience. You show too much drama, and it just starts to look like a big old mess, and then that's what people focus on - who slept with who, who got fired, who broke the rules, as opposed to "look how hard these women work, and aren't they amazing?"

Very true. No one wants to purposely make themselves look bad by airing out too much of their dirty laundry. But it is *kind of* annoying that we get to see Holly and Jenna dragged through the mud and not Erica. I think their drama was far more scandalous than Erica supposedly drinking on the job, so if they did pick and choose who/what to show, maybe they should have shown Erica instead. It may have been the lesser of 2 evils. But, on the other hand, MTT couldn't have played the "importance of leadership" storyline the way they did without showing Holly's shenanigans, thus making Jenna a bad leader.

If Erica were a more no-name vet (like Tess/Bess, Chantal, Jessika) instead of a popular fan favorite, it would make more sense to have her just disappear (I honestly would not notice if any of those 4 were cut, even now). Some people may still question it, but probably not most. I think that is what annoys people. She is a favorite and they want to know what happened to her.  I don't think they "owe" us anything and I certainly do not expect to be shown every little thing that goes on, but they do have a responsibility as tv show producers to tell a story that makes sense.

I will be happy is they just acknowledge it. No need to go into details, just a simple talking head about how they went from 38 to 36.

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Anyone else starting to wonder if that office visit with Jenna early in the season about her stepping up as a leader was filmed later? Call me a skeptic, but that was some convenient foreshadowing for what went down later in the summer….

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Just to add, from "going out" pics in Instagram,  seems like Erica, Jenna and Holly put off vibe of "look at how sexy I am/We are!" instead of look at me with my good friends having fun, cuteness incidental, Shame really, but I can see how attention by fans etc..can change some people, not all for the better.

But, of greater importance! ( I kid) I am scrutinizing the kick line during performance in Canton. I appears that someone is not in line (almost a foot back), and almost looks "boxed out" for a second, it is just before Jinelle talks about having goosebumps.  I don't know how it looked straight on, but from the side, it was noticeable.

did anyone else see this?

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6 minutes ago, NMDD43 said:

Anyone else starting to wonder if that office visit with Jenna early in the season about her stepping up as a leader was filmed later? Call me a skeptic, but that was some convenient foreshadowing for what went down later in the summer….

OMG!  Totally.  I said earlier that the office visit Jenna had about not going to Canton was refilmed.  

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I think they may still show the Erica stuff. What, two more episodes?  It's possible. They just got back from HOF. they may get word of her offense this week (the week they got back).  Production focused on the Holly/Jenna drama. One problem at a time. So now maybe next episode they will focus on Erica.

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2 hours ago, MrsEVH said:

I think Jenna is done after this year.  Maybe we'll see her auditioning for other teams next year.

TBH if se doesn't leave of her own accord, any scrap of respect I might have for her will disappear in the wind.  The number of times she's said 'DCC is my whole life' or words to that effect...girl needs to get a real life. her entire adult life has been DCC, she literally seems to have little/nothing else in her life. she strikes me as the kind that would neverleave until booted because it literally IS her whole life. she's got no idea who she is bar the identity of the uniform.  she needs to grow up, needs to mature, needs to learn who Jenna is, needs to not be a DCC and figuere out what she's gonna do with her life, because she comes across as someone that if you asked her to describe herself, first thing would be that she's a DCC. it seems to be basically 100% of her identity and that is hella unhealthy.

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1 hour ago, VintageJ said:

I'll pick you up on my way down. Hell, I'll rent a bus. Who wants to go?

I'd say I'd bring snacks, but I don't think I could take the sadness of seeing Jay throwing them all out, and I'm already struggling with the size of my saddle.  I'm a cheerful driving buddy though, and I love road trips!

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I believe there is a mathematical reason for having 36 dancers on the team.  Thirty six allows for the most symmetrical formations on the field.  For example:  The numbers one through eight when added together totals 36.  That forms the perfect team triangle.  When the girls are split into 4 groups of nine, a perfect outside diamond can be made with nine dancers ( 8 for the sides and one in the center).  You can also make a perfect diamond using the entire team ( 1+ 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 5 + 4 +3 + 2 + 1 = 36)  Also, you can make a semi-triangle (parallelogram) with three rows (2 + 3 + 4 = 9).  If the girls are split into a routine of six groups of six girls a perfect mini-triangle (1 + 2 + 3 = 6) can be made.  You can make a medium triangle with 15 girls (add numbers 1 through 5 = 15).  You can make two medium triangles and one mini triangle with a team of 36 girls.   Myriad formations can be made using the groups of six dancer mini triangles and groups of the nine dancer diamonds.  See crude drawing.

I remember one season when they didn't have 36 girls and Kelly asked Judy if she could make it work and she said yes she could.  I suspect the All Stars filled the vacant spots to work the magic of 36.

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8 hours ago, NMDD43 said:

Anyone else starting to wonder if that office visit with Jenna early in the season about her stepping up as a leader was filmed later? Call me a skeptic, but that was some convenient foreshadowing for what went down later in the summer….

Reality tv is always manipulated in some fashion so I wouldn't doubt this as a possibility.

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I'm ready for this season to be over.  It's the worst one yet and based on the composition of the current squad, I fear the next few years are going to be pretty bad.  Here's hoping they get some truly talented rookies next year.  

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If I'm getting this right, Erica's issues were during the HOF trip, which just happened, so there is no reason they would have discussed it yet. They are trying to tell the story in order, then next ep would have K&J finding out via social media and confronting Erica. It is odd that they have made her disappear for most of the season, though, if she wasn't dancing, what would they be showing her do? If she's not going to be on the team anymore there's no point in focusing on her. 

They probably chose to focus on the Hollie/Jenna issues instead because Jenna is still on the team and her story was linked with Hollie's so they had to show that too. I will say, for a casual viewer like me, I have no idea who this Erica girl is, nor do I care. She sounds like a self involved moron so I am not sorry to see her go (or not see her go if they decide to just not show it lol). Honestly, I don't care since she's not on the team anymore, so I'm glad they chose the Jenna scandal instead. Since it was interesting to see how differently she and Hollie dealt with it. Hollie doesn't care about DCC, she just wants to be famous so she had no problem walking away. Jenna, OTOH, lives for DCC and is willing to take her beating, but also just wants it to be over and keeps making things worse. 

Erica's story sounds like too much of a rehash of Hollie. Did something she wasn't supposed to, got caught because she clearly doesn't realize how social media actually works and left. 

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5 hours ago, SimplePleasures said:

I believe there is a mathematical reason for having 36 dancers on the team.  Thirty six allows for the most symmetrical formations on the field.  For example:  The numbers one through eight when added together totals 36.  That forms the perfect team triangle.  When the girls are split into 4 groups of nine, a perfect outside diamond can be made with nine dancers ( 8 for the sides and one in the center).  You can also make a perfect diamond using the entire team ( 1+ 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 5 + 4 +3 + 2 + 1 = 36)  Also, you can make a semi-triangle (parallelogram) with three rows (2 + 3 + 4 = 9).  If the girls are split into a routine of six groups of six girls a perfect mini-triangle (1 + 2 + 3 = 6) can be made.  You can make a medium triangle with 15 girls (add numbers 1 through 5 = 15).  You can make two medium triangles and one mini triangle with a team of 36 girls.   Myriad formations can be made using the groups of six dancer mini triangles and groups of the nine dancer diamonds.  See crude drawing.

I remember one season when they didn't have 36 girls and Kelly asked Judy if she could make it work and she said yes she could.  I suspect the All Stars filled the vacant spots to work the magic of 36.

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Entire Team Diamond.jpg

Thank you for this....I was never a cheerleader so i find it interesting to see how the math plays out. 

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On 10/12/2017 at 2:31 PM, CaseyRe said:
On 10/12/2017 at 2:26 PM, klh25 said:

She was good enough, kicks really can improve.  I hope the girl from LSU that had the long black hair comes back, she should have been in TC over at least 3-4 other people that were chosen.  Doesn't make sense to me.

Couldnt agree more! Yes, her 'look' wasn't right, but her dance was great and hair can be dyed, it can be cut. isnt that the point of the hairdresser on the judging panel? to say 'i can fix that?'

Which is exactly what he DID say.  I really think she should have been given a chance, but obviously Kelli & Judy don't consult with me first :)

I have an opinion on why I don't think anything negative about Erica will be shown.  I agree with the posters who think the Jenna/Holly drama was shown because Jenna is still on the team & they wanted to do the whole leadership storyline.  If, however, they go on to show the Erica mess, now that's three veterans who were stepping out of line.  That, IMO, makes one wonder whether Kelli has any control at all over the squad, plus it questions the whole "America's Sweethearts" image.  As has been said, they are willing to portray something that could make the girls look bad, but they will do anything the can to not make the organization look bad.

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5 hours ago, Smplsimon said:

I'm ready for this season to be over.  It's the worst one yet and based on the composition of the current squad, I fear the next few years are going to be pretty bad.  Here's hoping they get some truly talented rookies next year.  

Honestly? I don't think it's so much the new format that we are tired of, it's the girls. They've given us pretty much everything we asked for: more dancing, more veterans, new segments etc. I just think that we would have loved this format with the past squads and rookies.

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20 hours ago, Moxiejan said:

They obviously have back-edited to diminish her, but she still was shown in the background several times. And Kelli has repeatedly kept the audience aware of the "number count." Clearly, it has been decided to play up Jenna/Holly & play down Erica. But Kelli simply can't make one cut and then announce that the 38 have become 36. The departure of one more has to be addressed in some way, even if with only a 10-second announcement.

 I was told Erica has taken steps to make sure her drinking beer at a game were not shown on CMT. They had other issues with her being a shitty GL as well. It's just not going to be shown. Maybe Kelli comes out at the end and say she left due to injury, I don't know. But her bad behavior isn't going to be shown.

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30 minutes ago, PrincessLeia said:

 I was told Erica has taken steps to make sure her drinking beer at a game were not shown on CMT. They had other issues with her being a shitty GL as well. It's just not going to be shown. Maybe Kelli comes out at the end and say she left due to injury, I don't know. But her bad behavior isn't going to be shown.

I am dying to know what steps she took to prevent any of it from being shown. What is this power and control she has over the producers that no other girl seems to have?

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57 minutes ago, PrincessLeia said:

 I was told Erica has taken steps to make sure her drinking beer at a game were not shown on CMT. They had other issues with her being a shitty GL as well. It's just not going to be shown. Maybe Kelli comes out at the end and say she left due to injury, I don't know. But her bad behavior isn't going to be shown.

I didn't say that her bad behavior (or injury or anything else) would be addressed; only that her departure would be. It can be as simple as "veteran Erica will not be on this year's team after all."

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If you're reading the boards (team), who I really hope comes back next year:  Amy, Cersten, Bess, Heather, KaShara, Khalyn, Lacey, Madeline, Maggie, Robyn, Simone, Yuko, Tara, Lexie, Keyra, Savannah, Rachel, Molly, Kalyssa, Gina. Would love to see KaShara, Lacey, Heather and Bess as GLs and Amy, Cersten, Simone and Khalyn as seconds. Finally, dream Show Group: Amy, Cersten, Bess, Heather, KaShara, Khalyn, Lacey, Robyn, Simone, Yuko, Lexie, Savannah, Kalyssa, plus 3 new outstanding rookies TBD! :)

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The former DCC Michelle K could take over for Judy. She seems tough and is good. Seems to love the brand. 

Kelli? She could be there for a long time. I can't pick anyone until I know personal skills such as  organization, delegation, business sense, etc. 

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2 hours ago, misssue said:

And who takes over for them.

Something tells me Jenn K will be involved. Mmm.. 

6 minutes ago, ElenaFR said:

The former DCC Michelle K could take over for Judy. She seems tough and is good. Seems to love the brand. 

Her choreography is hit or miss for me. I would want someone who pays very close attention to detail to take over for Judy. And I don’t readily know a DCC that is THAT precise and nitpicky with movement. 

 

(I forget her name but I loved her) the retired DCC with dark/black hair that came in with the retired vets to critic the girls. She was always paying attention to those details. Then maybe have an Emma or Nicole Bulcher for showmanship, and A Jackie Bob-type as Kelli?

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I think when K&J do retire, they'll replace Judy with a former DCC, but Kelli's job is more about business sense than dancing. Somebody with a good business regimen will be tapped. I don't think either of them are going anywhere for at least a decade though.

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4 hours ago, NMDD43 said:

I am dying to know what steps she took to prevent any of it from being shown. What is this power and control she has over the producers that no other girl seems to have?

That theory holds no water for me. There were 29 days between the HOF game and the airing of the episode where group leaders were announced. In order to buy this whole theory, I'd have to also buy the following:

  • I'd have to believe the DCC contract does not include an arbitration clause that precludes the cheerleaders from suing the cowboys organization. And that the production company has been doing this show for over a decade and doesn't also have air-tight realty show contract. We know Erica signed a document agreeing that she might be shown in a negative, or even false light. 
  • I'd have to believe that in less than a month, Erica hired an attorney and that she has the means to hire someone who could be considered any kind of match for the Dallas Cowboys' legal team.
  • I'd have to believe that Erica's representation was able to convince CMT and the production company to cave in and voluntarily edit out a potentially juicy story line. This would've had to have happened well before the air date on 8/31. They would've had to move fast. Very fast, if you consider that they didn't release her the day after the game. It would've taken a few days to return to Dallas, hear the story, see the video, consult with Charlotte and perhaps their legal team, then call Erica in and give her the boot.
  • I'd have to believe that Erica's representation was able to convince both Kelli and Charlotte to roll over. Do you see that ever happening? I don't. Like any big, well-known, mega rich organization, the Cowboys probably have lawsuits threatened against them all the time. And if Erica made an empty threat without legal counsel, they would've laughed and had security march her little behind out of there. This isn't the first time they've had to deal with a pissed-off ex-cheerleader and it won't be the last. Mark my words, this organization has covered it's butt, six ways from Sunday. Especially after the slew of pro cheerleader lawsuits in recent years.
  • OR I'd have to believe that Erica's representation was able to convince a judge that airing the discussion of her termination would be defamatory and/or damaging enough to her current or future prospects to compel CMT/production to incur the additional expense to change/re-edit the show. What could the grounds possibly be? Especially given that they hadn't even seen the episode? Does Erica currently have a career or any significant career prospects outside of the DCC that would be damaged by revelation of the facts? After all, she was engaging in a perfectly legal activity. Listen, I don't know much about the legal profession, but I have a hard time believing that a judge would grant any sort of legal action based on nothing more than a cheerleader not wanting her story aired. Especially after she essentially "aired" it herself!

If the "facts" as we know them are true (and I still have questions about all of that), Erica has not a leg to stand on. And in fact, if she had initiated litigation, or threatened to do so, surely her representation would have told that it was a gamble. They must have told her that she was potentially drawing a lot MORE attention to a situation that she was trying to cover up. She was also risking that the public wouldn't be swayed in her favor that people would see her as an entitled little snowflake rah rah girl who was mad because she broke the rules and got fired and is not only unwilling to accept responsibility for her actions, but trying to instigate a shady coverup. For once, the shadiness wouldn't be on the Cowboys side of things. I know in today's America it seems like lawyers can always screw up a situation. I just don't think it happened in this case.


I believe that Erica just got lucky. She's very fortunate that they decided to show the Holly/Jenna story instead of her colossal eff-up.

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3 minutes ago, UnicornKicks said:

OMG ERICA 'THREATENED' FOR LIKE A WHOLE SECOND TO SUE. That's it. No grounds whatsoever and did not pursue it.

It just didn't fit the story arc for MTT.

That's what I thought. Erica posted the video herself. Does the show mention at all that Erica left?

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1 hour ago, missmansfield said:

I think I asked this a long time ago but does anyone notice how Kelli's mouth moves to the side when she talks?  I wonder why she does that. Strange.

That's just the way her mouth works. It isn't an affectation.

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6 minutes ago, missmansfield said:

I think I asked this a long time ago but does anyone notice how Kelli's mouth moves to the side when she talks?  I wonder why she does that. Strange.

either something she's always done, habit, botox, or fillers, some other form of plastic surgery

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3 hours ago, tajalexander said:

(I forget her name but I loved her) the retired DCC with dark/black hair that came in with the retired vets to critic the girls. She was always paying attention to those details.

Ashton Torres? I loved her too.

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4 minutes ago, DCCroutineFAN said:

I am curious about something. Who could Erica know that would be in the stands in Canton, Ohio for her to go sit with and have a beer?  Or did she go in the stands by herself. None of this Erica story makes sense to me.

Kashera said some of her family was there so it's not outside the realm of possibilities that Erica had friends there. 

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True that Erica threw a mini hissy fit and threatened to sue. That is all. 

No dare. The facts are here, but fan fiction and denial SMH. 

If it was just her accessory muscle injury no need to hide from the show. That's legit and not something you can fix once then go back to that level of dance with no reinjury. 

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Good. Then just show the cut. If it's not going to hurt her career, not cause legal issues, just show it, lol. People are going to speculate like crazy, and feed off of info they're fed from insiders not just fellow fans, if the show ignores it. 

I'm getting beyond the point of caring about the drama queens at this point because they take away from the dance, but you have to admit, the 'hissy fit' the twit threw took some nerve.

If the speculation is overboard, then they can 'set the fans straight' and air it.

If they choose to ignore the speculation, then anyone in DCC-land or CMT forfeit the right to bitch about the speculation.

Either put up or shut up. Pretty simple for CMT and DCC, lol.

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On October 14, 2017 at 7:35 PM, sleepyjean said:

That theory holds no water for me. There were 29 days between the HOF game and the airing of the episode where group leaders were announced. In order to buy this whole theory, I'd have to also buy the following:

  • I'd have to believe the DCC contract does not include an arbitration clause that precludes the cheerleaders from suing the cowboys organization. And that the production company has been doing this show for over a decade and doesn't also have air-tight realty show contract. We know Erica signed a document agreeing that she might be shown in a negative, or even false light. 
  • I'd have to believe that in less than a month, Erica hired an attorney and that she has the means to hire someone who could be considered any kind of match for the Dallas Cowboys' legal team.
  • I'd have to believe that Erica's representation was able to convince CMT and the production company to cave in and voluntarily edit out a potentially juicy story line. This would've had to have happened well before the air date on 8/31. They would've had to move fast. Very fast, if you consider that they didn't release her the day after the game. It would've taken a few days to return to Dallas, hear the story, see the video, consult with Charlotte and perhaps their legal team, then call Erica in and give her the boot.
  • I'd have to believe that Erica's representation was able to convince both Kelli and Charlotte to roll over. Do you see that ever happening? I don't. Like any big, well-known, mega rich organization, the Cowboys probably have lawsuits threatened against them all the time. And if Erica made an empty threat without legal counsel, they would've laughed and had security march her little behind out of there. This isn't the first time they've had to deal with a pissed-off ex-cheerleader and it won't be the last. Mark my words, this organization has covered it's butt, six ways from Sunday. Especially after the slew of pro cheerleader lawsuits in recent years.
  • OR I'd have to believe that Erica's representation was able to convince a judge that airing the discussion of her termination would be defamatory and/or damaging enough to her current or future prospects to compel CMT/production to incur the additional expense to change/re-edit the show. What could the grounds possibly be? Especially given that they hadn't even seen the episode? Does Erica currently have a career or any significant career prospects outside of the DCC that would be damaged by revelation of the facts? After all, she was engaging in a perfectly legal activity. Listen, I don't know much about the legal profession, but I have a hard time believing that a judge would grant any sort of legal action based on nothing more than a cheerleader not wanting her story aired. Especially after she essentially "aired" it herself!

If the "facts" as we know them are true (and I still have questions about all of that), Erica has not a leg to stand on. And in fact, if she had initiated litigation, or threatened to do so, surely her representation would have told that it was a gamble. They must have told her that she was potentially drawing a lot MORE attention to a situation that she was trying to cover up. She was also risking that the public wouldn't be swayed in her favor that people would see her as an entitled little snowflake rah rah girl who was mad because she broke the rules and got fired and is not only unwilling to accept responsibility for her actions, but trying to instigate a shady coverup. For once, the shadiness wouldn't be on the Cowboys side of things. I know in today's America it seems like lawyers can always screw up a situation. I just don't think it happened in this case.


I believe that Erica just got lucky. She's very fortunate that they decided to show the Holly/Jenna story instead of her colossal eff-up.

Not one team in the NFL hires a single cheerleader without outlining the rules of employment up front. It's a large binder. Full of info and guidelines from social media to uniform and weight infractions all the way down to fratraniazation with the team. (Plus much more). This is a barrier from lawsuits. (Agreement signatures procured). Unless any one of these terminated or suspended team members can prove they were unaware of the expectations, good luck with legal action. You signed as a hungry, grateful NFL cheerleader, but behaved as a spoiled, above the law (holly) brat. 

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7 minutes ago, Terri said:

Not one team in the NFL hires a single cheerleader without outlining the rules of employment up front. It's a large binder. Full of info and guidelines from social media to uniform and weight infractions all the way down to fratraniazation with the team. (Plus much more). This is a barrier from lawsuits. (Agreement signatures procured). Unless any one of these terminated or suspended team members can prove they were unaware of the expectations, good luck with legal action. You signed as a hungry, grateful NFL cheerleader, but behaved as a spoiled, above the law (holly) brat. 

Truth bomb = bless.

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I just saw something where Melissa Rycroft is on an AM show in Dallas? She certainly would have had people vouching for her to get that job, and those who have helped her on her way. (including the only case I have heard of where a cheerleader quits and is let back on to a team mid season.) Someone had to advocate for her to come back..

so I would hope that someone who has been given a lot of helping hands in the "industry" would have the guts to stand up for great dancers next to judges that are NOT dancers, but there to be the voice of the men at the games. (yes Neil M.)

Specifically, Melissa and Neil M. derailed Katelynn, whose only crimes were too dark hair color and exotic looks. "cat like" per the hairstylist. There was a time exotic was a bonus per Charlotte. Neil M favored Lacey's look over Katelynn, What? Katelynn has kicks that matched Lacey's, (and yes there must a been a few more no votes, and this makes me question who is on the judging panel)

Brianna was Never a strong dancer, had recently auditioned for Rockettes so was on the audition circuit, DCC not being #1. Kicks were Horrible, and did dance like a little girl, where I did agree with Melissa.

 

speaking of Christina (were we?) What in the world changes in the next two shows that makes her a DCC? When Kelly was looking at her pics, she circles her boobs with the cursor when she said she did not have a figure. (and she was right, in terms of what their Brand and standards tend to be.) She ain't no Loni. (I loved Loni's story....)

 

That is all.

 

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There are plenty of lawyers who would be happy to send a cease and desist letter on behalf of Erica just for the $$, even if they know it's baseless and they would never pursue litigation (and they would tell her as such). If this did happen, the K&J/DC Lawyers could figure as much BS as it is, it's not worth the hassle. I am not suggesting in any way shape or form this DID happen. Just saying that not having grounds doesn't stop people from legal maneuvering.

 

Been away, but kept reading. I love you all for keeping me in the loop and being so damn fun to read! 

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Christina making this team really cheapens it. She has no business being on the team. None. If they were so desperate to make numbers that they had to take a TCC who doesn't have the look or technique, repeatedly stands out in a bad way, and has been cut from TCC twice but still can't kick or do her splits, they need to re-evaluate their finals selection process. Christina would not have made my high school dance team. She shouldn't have even been brought into training camp, much less made the team. The fact that she was there over some of the other girls who auditioned and that she actually took a spot on the team shows that there's a failure somewhere in the selection process.

This TCC seems like it's full of one season girls, many of whom shouldn't have made the team in the first place, and wouldn't have in previous years. 

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