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3 hours ago, Linderhill said:

Has there been someone named "Linda" on everyone of the episodes so far this season? I'm too lazy to go back and count but it sure seems like it.

Just checked . There is a Linda in episodes 1 , 3, 4. 

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7 hours ago, Muffyn said:

And the Lord sayeth, “Let ye among you who are pure make rope of bags of plastic.  And weave this rope in small segments then heap them upon a pile. Let the newly lain rope pile be an altar to me upon which you shall lay other great offerings; offerings of rotted fruit which has been cut into haphazard shapes, offerings of rusted metals, offerings of the most burnt and damaged goods.  These shall please me. 

In the apocalypse to come, only the righteous shall have zippers.  Others shall be damned to wander the earth wearing pants with windows to their tainted loins.  I shall provide the righteous and holy with zipper wax by which they may repair the zippers of rust, thereby fastening their pants and hiding their shame. “

It is written.   So it shall be.

@Muffyn--you win the internet today. I just laughed for ten minutes straight. Kudos!

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As my dh (a Marine) was watching the screen say Kerry got let go bc of budget cuts, he was like, it was more likely his wild temper that got him out.

That screen comment didn't pass the smell test for me, either. One doesn't get laid off or "let go" from the military because of budget cuts. If his job got axed or his duty station closed he'd simply be transferred to another position or base, at least until his enlistment was up. If he wasn't allowed to re-enlist, then it was because of discipline or behavior issues, not budget cuts.

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I kinda liked Linda.

A) She had different expectations of what the show was supposed to do than what they usually do—and she made that point—and it pissed her off.

B) I don't know who called the show (mighta missed it), but she was honest about not wanting them there. It looked to me like the show set her up to play her for drama. OTOH, she let the episode air, so … ? She also was an attention hound and clothes horse, so she must have been having a rollicking good time.

C) I don’t really think it's anybody's business what she does with all that acreage. Just because you can see it driving down from the hill doesn't mean it's fair game for regulation. She's old. She'll die soon. Her barnacles will sell it ASAP and whoever buys it can burn it off.

IMO, the show wanted some bigger drama and I'm disappointed that the doc and Cory went along with it. The woman was nuts. A few hours with her wasn't going to fix anything and the doc should've known that at the outset. The ethical thing for him to do would be to say, "Naw, that one's too vulnerable." But he didn't want to bite the hand that feeds him.

These shows are manipulated and manipulative by nature. I get that. This one went too far ethically.

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As my dh (a Marine) was watching the screen say Kerry got let go bc of budget cuts, he was like, it was more likely his wild temper that got him out.

Did they actually say he was in the military?  I remember wondering if he was a civilian employee.

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"That screen comment didn't pass the smell test for me, either. One doesn't get laid off or "let go" from the military because of budget cuts. " I agree but if he'd otherwise been doing good work and just had some personality/mental issues, its not impossible that he could have gotten an early discharge rather than keeping someone in who's mental stability was questionable but not questionable enough. Linda is why I ultimately find this show depressing. She's clearly having no part of the process and ultimately... why not? She's allowed by local authorities to continue to run her personal landfill and feels no penalty of the law. Just like the vast majority of the hoarders we see who are never prosecuted for the child neglect, or abuse, or the straight up animal abuse. Every time I see someone hugging their kid or crying over their dead pet, I want the hoarding specialist to call child services and I really want the animal hoarders arrested ad plopped into jail where a judge can explain to them that they are in jail because they killed a bunch of animals and to quit the crying. But that never happens. And that's why these people rehoard. There's no consequences in any meaningful sense.

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thank you maya1959! I know that the name was one of the most popular in the late 50's and early 60's but it seems really interesting that this season has had so many this early. I find it especially noticeable since that is my name. This week's Linda seemed to be especially wacky and seemed to expect to be able to use the Hoarders crew to organize her mess as opposed to cleaning it up. It kind of reminded me of Randy and his vintage arcade collection years ago.

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Linda was definitely way 'round the bend, even for this show. I was kind of puzzled by her super apocalypto-prepping, because she was very clear on "hoard thee thine crap" as the Eleventh Commandment, but she clearly was NOT expecting to be Raptured up outta that shithole before global doom. I guess even the occasional righteous person must stay behind to hand out zippers and busted lampshades? 

I did enjoy her scavenged 80s Dynasty lewks, all shoulder pads and lace insets and jumpsuits and smeared-on filth. The End Times doesn't mean we don't need to look our best, ladies.

<politics>It's 10 days til the Inauguration. Hell, maybe Linda has a point. </politics>

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8 hours ago, Mojeaux said:

A) She had different expectations of what the show was supposed to do than what they usually do—and she made that point—and it pissed her off.

If she didn't want to be treated like a hoarder with a problem, she shouldn't have gone on a show called Hoarders. And the show shouldn't have accepted her, either, if she wouldn't agree to their terms.

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C) I don’t really think it's anybody's business what she does with all that acreage. Just because you can see it driving down from the hill doesn't mean it's fair game for regulation. She's old. She'll die soon. Her barnacles will sell it ASAP and whoever buys it can burn it off.

Except for the people that might die if one of her spontaneous combustions turns into a widespread fire.

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On Monday, January 09, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Toaster Strudel said:

I got a feeling that the garbage bag "rope" was the first time anything was ever "up-cycled" in that open-air landfill.  I was equally puzzled as to why they'd want to turn decaying shopping bags into 3 feet of totally useless "rope" - they didn't have enough actual rotting rope?  Or do they plan to weave the rotting rope to make shopping bags?

As a compromise solution, wouldn't it be better to braid the filthy carpet fibers?  Or is their dedication to twine god-inspired?

Msybe they save the "hemp" rope for,  ahem, other recreations.

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1 hour ago, Toaster Strudel said:

Anyone saw the preview for next week?  We're looking forward to a demon hoarder and cat skull worshipper/priestess and her demon-fearing entourage... and she has 3 children!

Spoiler ahead: Yes! The lady clearly has mental issues other than hoarding. Did you sent the guy previewed after her? I almost threw up. It is one of the most disgusting hoards I've ever seen. Two brothers and they pee in bottles then pour it into a clogged bathtub that is about to overflow. They defecate into newspaper and shopping bags and discard into a neighbor's trashcan. There were rats trapped in bottles. Ugh,so gross. 

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13 hours ago, Linderhill said:

thank you maya1959! I know that the name was one of the most popular in the late 50's and early 60's but it seems really interesting that this season has had so many this early. I find it especially noticeable since that is my name. This week's Linda seemed to be especially wacky and seemed to expect to be able to use the Hoarders crew to organize her mess as opposed to cleaning it up. It kind of reminded me of Randy and his vintage arcade collection years ago.

I am a child of the late 50's and was named Karen. I had best friends called Linda, Debbie and Susan. The most popular names of the era ! 

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C) I don’t really think it's anybody's business what she does with all that acreage. Just because you can see it driving down from the hill doesn't mean it's fair game for regulation. She's old. She'll die soon. Her barnacles will sell it ASAP and whoever buys it can burn it off.

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I agree. It definitely is everyone's business because of the danger(s) she creates.   Not to mention , it will end up being taxpayer's who foot the bill to get rid of all that garbage.    She smokes too? , around all that stuff?    I would stick her in jail for being a danger to others.

Linda, there is one thing you should of kept, but didn't.  Your teeth.

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On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 10:57 PM, Giant Misfit said:

I loved when Linda, the Garbage Farmer, bragged that she wasn't motivated by fear after Cory told her that her house could suffer the same fate as the barn. That's right, Linda, who refuses to part with any of her trash because she believes the monetary system is going to collapse in 6 months to a year, that Armageddon is right around the corner, and who saves rotted carpet fibers to wrap around non-existent raspberry plants so she'll have something to eat during the End Times, is not at all motivated by fear. 

I got the feeling Angela was her girlfriend and Dean was like a garbage-farmhand. Also, I don't believe in the "oily rag" theory; I believe Dean burned down that barn. 

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 11:17 PM, lzim61 said:

I'm confused because when Dean was talking about the fire, he said he took a break to go to the house and get some "loving". I even turned on closed captioning to make sure.  

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 0:03 AM, Irritable said:

Honestly, once Dean made the comment about going into the house to "get some lovin'", I never really recovered.  I've seen some horrifying things on this show over the years, but that one line, and having to think about what it actually entailed, and with whom, might have scarred me permanently.  Everyone's fingernails were so filthy, y'all.  I can't be expected to think about filthy fingered people getting it on in a disgusting house that may or may not even have a roof (am I crazy or was the kitchen full of flies and rotten fruit not flooded with sunlight coming in where a ceiling should have been?) .  It's all too much for me.

Yeah, I shuddered over the "Lovin" comment.  *HUUURRRLLL*

Maybe they're trying to re-start The Manson Family, minus that pesky murder stuff.  After all, Charlie isn't looking too good.

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 1:45 AM, Muffyn said:

The ending for Kerry bothered me.  His wife said he was verbally and physically abusive. They remarry a month after he does the clean up and we're all supposed to be happy for them.  I want him to deal with the abuse first.  How long before he starts up again?

Me too.  Way too quick for them to get re-married.  They need counseling and lots of it.

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 7:36 AM, JudyObscure said:

Linda is the first hoarder to actually scare me.  Her intro talks were enough to have me screaming, "Don't go in there, Dr. Tolin!" as I saw my sweet baboo approaching.  She and her zombie cult members, minds twisted by prophesies of doom and unspeakable acts of  lovin, were never going to listen to anything other than admiration for the Chosen One and her creative uses for wads of muddy insulation fibers.

"Let me at her, Dr Tolin!"  I screamed from my sofa, "I'll protect you with my  knowledge of scripture!"  Linda isn't the first hoarder to claim that Jesus wants them to have that trash.  There was the filthy, smelly old lady with long pig tails who went to mass every day and must have caused the young priest to use up a fortune in incense just to make the chapel air bearable. I always want to ask them what they think  Matthew 6:19 is about:"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal."  Those are the words of Jesus and should beat out John's vision of the future  (Revelation) any day.  Not that Revelation says anything about the need for rusted zippers during the Apocalypse.

I apparently missed the book of the Bible that covers the virtues of hoarding filth, and keeping weird people happy with "lovin".  **SHUDDER AGAIN**

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 8:33 AM, Toaster Strudel said:

So after the Apocalypse, people remain on earth? And lose the ability to manufacture zippers?  So many questions I would have loved to ask Linda so that she could tell me I'm condescending and run away!

I wondered that too.  You'd think as pious as she was, she'd be swept up in the rapture.

On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 9:31 AM, dsteele said:

That screen comment didn't pass the smell test for me, either. One doesn't get laid off or "let go" from the military because of budget cuts. If his job got axed or his duty station closed he'd simply be transferred to another position or base, at least until his enlistment was up. If he wasn't allowed to re-enlist, then it was because of discipline or behavior issues, not budget cuts.

IIRC, it said he was pushed in to early retirement.  At his age, I could see that with budget cuts.  It could also be that he was taking too much time off (maybe for his wife - she appeared to have health issues), or he was being "difficult", or made a mistake and they figured they'd just beg him off to retirement.  I got a bit freaked out when he gnashed his teeth at his daughter.  He's a bit scary.  And he may be doing OK now, but it's all bubbling beneath the surface.  I  hope he's getting help, and lots of it.

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C) I don’t really think it's anybody's business what she does with all that acreage. Just because you can see it driving down from the hill doesn't mean it's fair game for regulation. She's old. She'll die soon. Her barnacles will sell it ASAP and whoever buys it can burn it off.

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I agree. It definitely is everyone's business because of the danger(s) she creates.   Not to mention , it will end up being taxpayer's who foot the bill to get rid of all that garbage.    She smokes too? , around all that stuff?    I would stick her in jail for being a danger to others.

Linda, there is one thing you should of kept, but didn't.  Your teeth.

When I saw the photo above, I didn't realize how close she was to another house.  Yes, I'd be ticked too if I had to live next door to that.  Who knows what kinds of snakes, rats, etc, are all there?  And the fire hazard.......

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I also thought if Linda was so concerned about the apocoplyse she should be hoarding food, not screws or zippers.

If I was Kerry's daughter & he was adamant about reselling items, just had way too many of them, AND they were in excellent shape, I would agree to pay for storage for 3 months at a storage facility. If he hadn't done anything with them at the end of that time, they would go. He spent a lot of money on those things ($30 k was the estimate?) & I can't remember the condition of his house but it didn't seem as moldy/dirty as others. 

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On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 0:51 AM, maya1959 said:

I am a child of the late 50's and was named Karen. I had best friends called Linda, Debbie and Susan. The most popular names of the era ! 

OMG!  Are you me?  Except the best friends were cousins instead.  :D

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I had to rewind the "get some lovin'" comment at least twice to make sure I wasn't hearing things, and I had on the closed captioning, too.  What is heard cannot be unheard.  

Linda kept referring to Revelation as Revelations.  That always bugs me.  

And for someone who thinks that capitalism is on the verge of collapse, Linda didn't turn down the aftercare $$$, and she used it to have her farm equipment fixed?  

Weird.  The whole situation was really weird.  

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On 1/11/2017 at 2:51 AM, maya1959 said:

I am a child of the late 50's and was named Karen. I had best friends called Linda, Debbie and Susan. The most popular names of the era ! 

I'm among your friends listed there, too. And it sounds like we were both born in the same year! Love it!

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I was just reading through the posts on the Hoarders Facebook page and it turns out that Linda lives in Chimacum , WA.  A couple of her neighbors posted that she is well known there.  They all think the barn that burned down was a meth labout. Linda owns several other properties as well. You can see the property from the show on Google maps, just south of town.  Lots or cars and RVs, which will surely be useful in the apocalypse.   

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I want a follow-up when the authorities come to clean Linda's hoard.  That will be must-see TV.

Oh trust me, she'll turn on the tears and complain how the government is taking advantage of a senior citizen and no one ever tried to help her or tell her it was a problem and she'll get to keep all of her crap after she makes a minimal effort.

That as I watch this, the psychologist  and cleaning guy are literally describing how the place is a fire trap and she's allowed to say "I don't care" and *she wins* and *she gets her way* because heaven forbid the hoarder be upset over hearing how she's absolutely wrong.

Hasn't anyone ever noticed that these people never get arrested for all their issues? Apparently you  legally kill dozens of cats and dogs via slow torturous death and if you whine how you love them, you're not *really* abusing them and you're not really going to jail because you've suffered enough. Fuck that.

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On ‎2017‎-‎01‎-‎09 at 2:11 AM, Court said:

Maybe Deano left a lit cigarette in the barn when he went to get some lovin. Then it went kaboom.

I figured smoking some sort of substance was involved, but probably not a cigarette.

On ‎2017‎-‎01‎-‎09 at 1:10 PM, cpcathy said:

I was hoping Dr Tolin and Cory would throw up their hands and say, "Fuck it--let's go grab a beer!"

Vermont is known for some awesome beers. And those guys deserved it after dealing with those people for 4 days.

On ‎2017‎-‎01‎-‎10 at 9:31 AM, dsteele said:

That screen comment didn't pass the smell test for me, either. One doesn't get laid off or "let go" from the military because of budget cuts. If his job got axed or his duty station closed he'd simply be transferred to another position or base, at least until his enlistment was up. If he wasn't allowed to re-enlist, then it was because of discipline or behavior issues, not budget cuts.

The weird thing was, I would think a trained/experienced nurse would be a pretty in demand job, so if you did get cut it wouldn't be too hard to find a civilian job. Unless the dude just said fuck it, took his military pension and didn't bother.

Lastly, I wonder if A&E was pissed about paying for that crazy helicopter shot of Linda's hoard, for a boring-ass episode where pretty much nothing happened.

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I'm going to be very charitable to Dean and suggest the possibility that he said he went back into the house to "get some leaven" rather than to "get some lovin'".  I wouldn't put money on it, but I wouldn't rule it out either.  "Leaven" seems like one of those Bible-y words that someone living on Linda's farm-of-craziness might use.

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6 hours ago, jpc1 said:

I'm going to be very charitable to Dean and suggest the possibility that he said he went back into the house to "get some leaven" rather than to "get some lovin'".  I wouldn't put money on it, but I wouldn't rule it out either.  "Leaven" seems like one of those Bible-y words that someone living on Linda's farm-of-craziness might use.

"leaven" as in bread?  LOL, you are very charitable.  He could have also meant loving as in "lovin' from the oven" or Pillsbury crescent rolls.  No?

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On 1/24/2017 at 3:46 AM, notyrmomma said:

He could have also meant loving as in "lovin' from the oven" or Pillsbury crescent rolls.  No?

I'm dying LOL. If they used the oven, there would have been a fire at the main house.

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Linda was creepy and horrible. The way Angela and the other guy seemed so devoted to her was scary - like she was some kind of cult leader. 

Kerry also bothered me with his strange eye thing. Did anyone else notice that? They cut away right when he'd do crazy eyes when he got upset. I hope his turnaround was that easy, but I doubt it. The new organizer girl came on a bit strong.

Dr. Green is a walking Disney princess with her huge eyes and perfect skin. Love her.

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On 1/21/2017 at 6:18 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

Lastly, I wonder if A&E was pissed about paying for that crazy helicopter shot of Linda's hoard, for a boring-ass episode where pretty much nothing happened.

I'm guessing it was a drone... I've been noticing more and more overhead shots in relatively low-budget productions....

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On 1/8/2017 at 10:57 PM, Giant Misfit said:

I loved when Linda, the Garbage Farmer, bragged that she wasn't motivated by fear after Cory told her that her house could suffer the same fate as the barn. That's right, Linda, who refuses to part with any of her trash because she believes the monetary system is going to collapse in 6 months to a year, that Armageddon is right around the corner, and who saves rotted carpet fibers to wrap around non-existent raspberry plants so she'll have something to eat during the End Times, is not at all motivated by fear. 

 

I came on here to say the same thing, but you said it so well that I can't improve upon your words. 

On 1/8/2017 at 11:17 PM, lzim61 said:

I'm confused because when Dean was talking about the fire, he said he took a break to go to the house and get some "loving". I even turned on closed captioning to make sure.  

Yep, that's what he said. I rewound it to listen again. And it was creepy the WAY he said it, too. 

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On 1/9/2017 at 1:08 PM, Giant Misfit said:

Or, she lets is sit there until one of the Four Horseman, who's no doubt gonna be riding by, stops and asks for a sturdy, modern-day lasso that won't cost him much. 

Oh my goodness I almost spit out my water on this one... thanks for the laugh!

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On 1/29/2017 at 1:25 PM, MillieSparklepants said:

Dr. Green is a walking Disney princess with her huge eyes and perfect skin. Love her.

I love her too! There is something about her demeanor- she has such a calming presence. I want her to come to my house and make me tea and talk to me. She could recite the phone book and it would be heavenly.

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Linda NEEDS TO LOSE HER FARM! She said she believed she was doing what God wanted her too. Well God doesn't want anyone to clutter the Earth he created with junk! If the apocalypse indeed happens, that crap won't save her or anyone else. The law needs to step and and clean it all up

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16 hours ago, Jennymay said:

Linda NEEDS TO LOSE HER FARM! She said she believed she was doing what God wanted her too. Well God doesn't want anyone to clutter the Earth he created with junk! If the apocalypse indeed happens, that crap won't save her or anyone else. The law needs to step and and clean it all up

Can't be said enough!  Her neighbors have already had too much of this dangerous eyesore. 

Linda is an egomaniac who refuses to listen to anyone say anything to her, even if it's warning about fires for her own safety.  She doesn't want to hear "If if if," when it's about what would happen "if" a fire started, but her whole life is based on what she might need, "IF the apocalypse happens."   I wanted Dr Tolin to tell her that the chances of a fire were about a hundred times more likely than the Four Horseman coming through needing zippers.

She also needs to be told that there's nothing particularly Christian about having, "RESPECT for what MAN has made!"  Does she worship God or cheap lampshades with huge holes in the top  to  use as plant covers?  Of course she would turn and run off before anyone finished a sentence and she  would punch me in the face because I would show so much more disdain than sweet Dr. T. ever could.

I'm just glad Angela escaped with her life.  I don't trust Linda or Mr. Lovin not to abuse dissenters.

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I was just reading through the posts on the Hoarders Facebook page and it turns out that Linda lives in Chimacum , WA.  A couple of her neighbors posted that she is well known there.  They all think the barn that burned down was a meth labout. Linda owns several other properties as well. You can see the property from the show on Google maps, just south of town.  Lots or cars and RVs, which will surely be useful in the apocalypse.   

I saw elsewhere on the internet that she's in Chimacum. Multiple sources placing her there.

And that's weird, because her story just ran again - repackaged for Hoarders Overload - and the crawl clearly said she's in Vermont.

Unless there are two women with the same name in two different states and each had a spectacular barn fire, the show presented inaccurate information. Why would they do that?

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On 1/9/2017 at 0:00 AM, Giant Misfit said:

I also seem to think Dean and Angela are just sponging off Linda who is clearly ridiculously wealthy (and insane). 

I want to know why Linda even agreed to be on this show in the first place. 

I got the feeling she thought she was being paid or getting something for it.

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On 1/9/2017 at 10:47 AM, SweetPickle said:

I, honestly, thought the "farmers" were paranoid meth users. The barn fire was a meth lab explosion. That or I've watched too much Breaking Bad. 

That would explain the loss of millions of dollars worth of stuff.

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On 1/10/2017 at 2:08 PM, Linderhill said:

thank you maya1959! I know that the name was one of the most popular in the late 50's and early 60's but it seems really interesting that this season has had so many this early. I find it especially noticeable since that is my name. This week's Linda seemed to be especially wacky and seemed to expect to be able to use the Hoarders crew to organize her mess as opposed to cleaning it up. It kind of reminded me of Randy and his vintage arcade collection years ago.

Randy needed to be whopped on the head three or four times.  Paxton would have done it, I think, but his hand was injured.

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On 1/15/2017 at 0:10 PM, Ms. Bubba said:

I know!! Yikes!!!

 

Does that include any "lovin'", or will that be extra?

I threw out my back shuddering in horror.

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On 1/10/2017 at 11:07 AM, Mojeaux said:

) I don't know who called the show (mighta missed it)

I would bet she, herself, called the show, thinking she was going to get paid.

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On 5/18/2017 at 1:11 AM, JosieThePussycat said:

I saw elsewhere on the internet that she's in Chimacum. Multiple sources placing her there.

And that's weird, because her story just ran again - repackaged for Hoarders Overload - and the crawl clearly said she's in Vermont.

Unless there are two women with the same name in two different states and each had a spectacular barn fire, the show presented inaccurate information. Why would they do that?

I just watched this ep tonight, and having lived in Vt. for 29+ years, I was interested in finding out where she lived.  After just a few minutes of research it was shown that she, does in fact, live in Washington state.   What's strange is that there is a place in Vt. (not sure of the acreage) not far from where I used to live, that could have been her place. As you drive by the place there are all these wood signs quoting scripture about the end of times etc., and a junk yard to boot. Years ago it was a small commune, but it went down to just a handful, which is why this story piqued my interest.  I'd really like an explanation from the producers as to why they lied to the viewers as to the true locale of the subject/person featured.

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On ‎6‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 9:27 PM, renegade said:

 I'd really like an explanation from the producers as to why they lied to the viewers as to the true locale of the subject/person featured.

Maybe because she's paranoid?

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FYI, Linda has a GoFundMe account to help with replacing of barn. No photos of hoard just damage from fire, but some of the comments show that people have seen the show.

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