Flipping Out In The Media

[druzy]

Jeff's reaction:

[SuprSuprElevated]

It's very difficult for me to imagine Bravo filming such an intimate scene, without having all of their i's dotted and t's crossed.  Mistakes can be made, but I'm giving side eye on this.  Regarding the comments, yes, they're vulgar.  They are also classic Jeff Lewis. 

[gunderda]

That makes me sad for them.  And that aired what seems like forever ago - why is she doing it now!?!? 

She had plenty of time to do her research to see what kind of personality Jeff has and I'm sure she got compensated WAYYYYYYYY more than she would have if she was a surrogate for a non-celebrity. 

[crgirl412]

If the surrogate had gotten waxed, as he mentioned at the birth, he probably would have sued her for endangering the welfare of his baby!! 

"Yes, Gage, this could've been the first fucking time that wax entered the vagina, went up through the cervix, into the uterus and made it through the placenta to the baby!!!! 

[gunderda]

A lot of people are up in arms because he said 'using her' - i'm assuming from 'I guess we're not using her again'  - but why?? How else should he have stated that she probably wouldn't be their surrogate again.  I didn't see that has a negative meaning - because they used her services and now they would not be using those services. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

1 hour ago, gunderda said:

A lot of people are up in arms because he said 'using her' - i'm assuming from 'I guess we're not using her again'  - but why?? How else should he have stated that she probably wouldn't be their surrogate again.  I didn't see that has a negative meaning - because they used her services and now they would not be using those services. 

Welcome to the age of triggered.

[car54]

A little more info here about the suit

https://themuse.jezebel.com/surrogate-for-jeff-lewis-sues-bravo-for-broadcasting-bi-1826792873

[biakbiak]

5 hours ago, druzy said:

Jeff's reaction:

Oh dear what does it say about me that we both had the same thought.

[Jackintheknox]

10 hours ago, tobeannounced said:

I found the whole thing very unseemly - a man making degrading comments about the "nasty" woman who had just done something huge for him. I'm not crying any tears for Jeff.

 I agree completely. I’ve considered being a surrogate. I have a friend who did it and runs an agency now but Jeff’s comments pretty much turned me off of that idea for good. I know with my own pregnancies how it completely takes over your body and in a lot of ways it is not pretty. Being pregnant and giving birth takes over your body for 10+ months. I can’t imagine giving that much of yourself for the recipient to turn around and make such vulgar comments about said body that just grew their child. 

 

That being said, she absolutely could and maybe should have googled him and watched the show before signing on and the fact that he’s a gross person isn’t new and probably isn’t actionable. I just think it’s too bad Jeff turned what could have been great publicity for surrogacy into a cautionary tale. 

[biakbiak]

An article with Jeff’s response. I would say initial but it’s too measured so he must have had a meeting with his lawyers and Gage before he gave his response.

[HunterHunted]

21 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

An article with Jeff’s response. I would say initial but it’s too measured so he must have had a meeting with his lawyers and Gage before he gave his response.

He must have met with a lawyer because he's never been that diplomatic when left to his own devices.

[Guest]

On 6/13/2018 at 9:47 AM, biakbiak said:

I am not either but bringing a case that appears to have no merit isn’t making me like the surrogate.

If this winds up in court; it hurts Monroe

The two parties may settle out of court...and...most likely...there will be a gag-order as to the settlement.

Edited June 14, 2018 by artisto
1st..we proof-read...then we edit

[gunderda]

I bet he settles - I swear i heard him say he's got a team of lawyers lined up just for silly law suits.  Or maybe that was someone else. 

[Madding crowd]

Maybe she knew he was a vulgar person but didn’t dream he would say nasty comments while she was birthing his child. I’m not on his side here.

[MsTree]

16 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Maybe she knew he was a vulgar person but didn’t dream he would say nasty comments while she was birthing his child

Then she really didn't understand the concept of Jeff's show. IOW, when has Jeff had a talking head without making a joke or some sort of off-the-wall (or vulgar) comment??

[Madding crowd]

A tv show is different than giving birth to a child. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I'm a Jeff fan, but, he was out of line on the birthing scenes, imo.  I'm not sure if she has a case, but, her attorneys must think so.  I am insulted that Jeff claims that the lawsuit hurts Monroe and that's the surrogate's fault. WHAT?  I think he should have thought about Monroe in the delivery room. It's his actions that brought the thing on.  He and Gage are just too full of themselves, imo.  I haven't cared for Gage in a long time. And, while I am a long time Jeff fan, at times, he seems like a man without a conscience.  Maybe, it's time for me to take a break from their family.  (Jenny claims that Jeff really has become a new person since Monroe arrived. I hope that's true.)

https://people.com/home/flipping-out-jeff-lewis-holds-back-tears-as-he-discusses-surrogate-lawsuit/

Edited June 16, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[absolutelyido]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I'm a Jeff fan, but, he was out of line on the birthing scenes, imo.  I'm not sure if she has a case, but, her attorneys must think so.  I am insulted that Jeff claims that the lawsuit hurts Monroe and that's the surrogate's fault. WHAT?  I think he should have thought about Monroe in the delivery room. It's his actions that brought the thing on.  He and Gage are just too full of themselves, imo.  I haven't cared for Gage in a long time. And, while I am a long time Jeff fan, at times, he seems like a man without a conscience.  Maybe, it's time for me to take a break from their family.  (Jenny claims that Jeff really has become a new person since Monroe arrived. I hope that's true.)

https://people.com/home/flipping-out-jeff-lewis-holds-back-tears-as-he-discusses-surrogate-lawsuit/

I love Jeff. I think he is witty and funny, but his humor is usually sarcastic, can be just plain mean, and he doesn't think about it being hurtful to the target of his humor. He just thinks people should be able to take it. Maybe having Monroe has made him think about the impact of what he says a bit more. When you start thinking, "what if someone said that to my daughter", it can make you reconsider your words.

[SunnyBeBe]

If Jeff has really changed, then I wonder why in that article, the tears seem to be because of the lawsuit, which is something that the surrogate did.  They don't seem to be over his own actions.  A little self reflection and remorse, might serve him better, imo. 

[clod]

he thought it was fine to say certain things.   maybe that was impulsive.

 

then, later,.........  he thought it was fine to put it on the show.   that was not impulsive.

[biakbiak]

I doubt they will settle because it is more than Jeff being involved it’s the production company who wouldn’t want to open a can of worms of their releases.

[car54]

I remember when the show aired I thought "welp.....I guess they won't be having a second baby with her....."    

Honestly, I love Jeff and this show but not only was talking about the surrogate the way he did nor participating in her being filmed (if he knew) and allowing it to air was just stupid if he and Gage wanted a second child with her.

And I don't doubt that Bravo did what she says.

[SuprSuprElevated]

I realize that not all lawsuits happen immediately, but the filing of this is a full 9-1/2 months after the episode aired.  If it was such a slam dunk case, I'm not sure what would take so long.

Wonder if the surrogate and her attorney tried to settle first.

[MsTree]

18 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

A tv show is different than giving birth to a child. 

Then the birthing mother should not have agreed to be on TV show!

[SunnyBeBe]

Lawsuits take a while though.  I don't know the details of her claim or exactly what she's alleging, but, often claims involving companies, go through business court. (It's a section within the regular court.) Apparently, they have explained discovery procedures to Jeff and that's bothering him.  Turning over records, documents and sitting for depositions isn't fun. 

How many legal actions has Jeff been in? I know Jenny sued him, then wasn't there one with some other employee.  Plus, there was a company he had issues with.  I recall him talking about settling one previously, because it wasn't worth paying lawyers all that money. 

[Fostersmom]

10 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I realize that not all lawsuits happen immediately, but the filing of this is a full 9-1/2 months after the episode aired.  If it was such a slam dunk case, I'm not sure what would take so long.

Wonder if the surrogate and her attorney tried to settle first.

To me, it screams she's purposely waited till the new season is about to roll around to file which makes it seem like even more of a money grab. 

[Misslindsey]

10 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I realize that not all lawsuits happen immediately, but the filing of this is a full 9-1/2 months after the episode aired.  If it was such a slam dunk case, I'm not sure what would take so long.

Wonder if the surrogate and her attorney tried to settle first.

I was wondering this as well. In one of the linked articles above Jeff says they were in communication with her for months after the birth. Jeff's comment was in poor taste, but stereotypically Jeff.

I would imagine whatever contract Alexandra signed gave Bravo the right to film her during the birth, because that was a major storyline last season. I have not seen the birth episode since it aired, but I do not remember much of Alexandra shown during it. I feel like it was mostly Jeff and Gage reaction shots. I am probably misremembering though.

[Madding crowd]

I know nothing about the lawsuit, but I think Jeff was out of line and needed to apologize. She agreed to parts of the birth being filmed, she didn’t agree to have her genitals critiqued and mocked on TV. And is Jeff is so repulsed by a women’s vagina, he is not a good role model for Monroe. 

[hatchetgirl]

2 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

she didn’t agree to have her genitals critiqued and mocked on TV.

 But this is grounds for ... an opinion not a lawsuit. 

I'm shocked she found a lawyer  willing to file against contracts that were signed. 

[The Ascension]

This will be interesting for sure! I am intrigued to see how it will play out. I just can't imagine Bravo and production wouldn't have their ducks in a row with filming something like this. I have heard many women I know who have given birth say that when they get to a certain point in labor that the Pope or Obama could walk in to the room, and they wouldn't even notice or care because they're just swept up in the intensity of labor. I wonder if it was something like that for the surrogate? She signed, knew they were there and didn't care because labor, and now regrets it. Probably won't hold up in court.

 

But also, I am not on Jeff's side. Those comments are horrible. I know that's Jeff, but I would be mortified and hurt if I were the surrogate. Not sure why she kept communicating with him. I don't think she'll win and I question timing and why she'd keep in contact after the episode aired and she saw what he said, but I'm pretty much never on Jeff's side and I'm not on this one either, so...Team Monroe. 

[Madding crowd]

1 hour ago, hatchetgirl said:

 But this is grounds for ... an opinion not a lawsuit. 

I'm shocked she found a lawyer  willing to file against contracts that were signed. 

I actually agree that it doesn’t seem like grounds for a lawsuit. I was responding to those suggesting she should be ok with him saying these things on TV because ‘that’s who he is’. 

I’m sure it has more to do with what was aired than what was said in the moment.

[biakbiak]

New trailer, more Chazz and Lala from Vanderpump Rules is apparently a new client with her boyfriend paying the bills.

[Showthyme]

September 11th!!! 

I hope we get to hear how the lawsuit ends with the surrogate since both sides made it public.

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, Showthyme said:

September 11th!!! 

I hope we get to hear how the lawsuit ends with the surrogate since both sides made it public.

I believe they were finished filming when it came out and they can take awhile.

[druzy]

Flipping Out’s Jeff Lewis & Jenni Pulos Part Ways: 'It's Over,' Says Source 

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Jeff Lewis has been known to fire an employee or two on Flipping Out. But the latest shakeup might be the saddest for fans of the Bravo show.

PEOPLE has learned that Lewis is no longer working with longtime collaborator and friend Jenni Pulos.

According to multiple sources, Pulos parted ways with Jeff Lewis Design — the house flipper’s company — a few months ago. The emotional moment is said to have been filmed for the upcoming eleventh season of Flipping Out, which premieres September 11.

Since then, the two haven’t spoken at all. “It’s sad,” one source says. “They used to be inseparable but their differences just got too big to overcome.”

“They found fame together so there was always this thought that nothing could tear them apart, but that hasn’t been the case,” the source adds. “They’ll never come back from this. It’s over.”

Reps for Lewis, 48, and Pulos, 45, as well as Bravo did not respond to PEOPLE’s request for comment, but tensions between the pair — who have been friends for over 20 years — had been mounting for months, a second insider explains.

“It was a combination of things,” the second source explains. “They both had different priorities pushing them in opposite directions. … It was only a matter of time before it eventually exploded.”

Pulos had gone on maternity leave from Jeff Lewis Design after the birth of her second child Georgia Grace, 1, and had returned to find many of the responsibilities of her position redistributed, the source says. While Lewis promoted Pulos to a new position, she felt like she wasn’t being given the opportunities to advance that she wanted. “She felt entitled to more than Lewis could give her,” the source says.

At the same time, Lewis’ patience with Pulos had been running thin, the insider explained. “Jenni was Jeff’s longest employee,” the source says. “He thought of her as his No. 2, but she wasn’t invested in the same way he was.”

While many different things factored in to their feud, there was one blowup that led to the end of their friendship, a third source tells PEOPLE.

“It was a horrible fight that was uncomfortable for everyone around them to watch,” the source says. “There were too many hurt feelings there and they both just unleashed on one another.”

With Lewis and Pulos at odds, the future of her appearances on additional seasons of Bravo’s Flipping Out remains to be seen.

Though the show follows Lewis and his employees, Pulos as played an integral role since it debuted in July 2007. Like Lewis, she’s also an executive producer on the series.

“They’ll never film together again,” the third insider says. “Jeff has cut people out of his life before who wronged him, and that’s where Jenni sits now. This feels like a goodbye, at least for her.”

Edited September 6, 2018 by druzy

[biakbiak]

The article literally tells us to tune in to watch it happen! People is getting messy with their shitty press releases disguised as articles for tv shows and film!

Edited September 6, 2018 by biakbiak

[SuprSuprElevated]

Fascinating how these stories always "break" just prior to the shows debuting new seasons.

[Showthyme]

Jenni can kiss her acting career goodbye. 

I wonder if this argument went down during the same time that Jenni put her house on the market.

Jeff is never an innocent in these blow-ups. He has no boundaries and it makes him a target for abuse allegations.  

I hope Bravo does not cancel the show.

[crgirl412]

I hope it really is just PR and they didn't have a huge fight.  I don't like when Jeff goes off on someone but I cannot watch him going off on Jenni. 

[biakbiak]

Jeff says she went to the production company with abuse allegations and the show will probably be cancelled.

[SuprSuprElevated]

On 9/7/2018 at 5:46 PM, crgirl412 said:

I hope it really is just PR and they didn't have a huge fight.  I don't like when Jeff goes off on someone but I cannot watch him going off on Jenni. 

This looks pretty terminal.  They split once before, over something sketchy she did, and made it back, but I don't see that happening twice, especially if she has leveled these charges.  Btw, who has watched this show and didn't see abuse and a hostile workplace?  I actually like watching the show, initially for the reno porn, then for Jeff's dry sense of humor, but the nanny surrogate stuff, and now this.  I suspect he's probably correct about the show going away.  He's whining now, but I never got the impression that he was all that into it.  His social media participation is the bare minimum, and to me, he acted like the show was just a way to pay some bills.  Jenny knows what time it is where Jeff Lewis is concerned.  It will be interesting to see what brought this to a head, and whether she was legitimately wronged, or if this is a means to an agenda.  I always did get the idea that Jenny's lofty aspirations were hopelessly unmet.

Edited September 8, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated
Surrogate, not nanny. Big difference.

[crgirl412]

37 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

This looks pretty terminal.  They split once before, over something sketchy she did, and made it back, but I don't see that happening twice, especially if she has leveled these charges.  Btw, who has watched this show and didn't see abuse and a hostile workplace?  I actually like watching the show, initially for the reno porn, then for Jeff's dry sense of humor, but the nanny stuff, and now this.  I suspect he's probably correct about the show going away.  He's whining now, but I never got the impression that he was all that into it.  His social media participation is the bare minimum, and to me, he acted like the show was just a way to pay some bills.  Jenny knows what time it is where Jeff Lewis is concerned.  It will be interesting to see what brought this to a head, and whether she was legitimately wronged, or if this is a means to an agenda.  I always did get the idea that Jenny's lofty aspirations were hopelessly unmet.

I watched clips for the upcoming season and it looks like Jeff is losing it more than ever.  I guess Jenni has given up being an actress now that she has huzzband who's not a douche and two kids. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I wonder if I have finally had enough of Jeff too.  I've found him funny and amusing for years and even though he would act outrageous, I sort of sided with him on some things. Like, the issue with that staff member who sabotaged their photo shoot of a house design a few seasons ago.  But, it seems that there are also a lot of times that he is just mean for meanness sake. (Monroe's birth.) 

 If you have that much trouble getting along with others what does it say about you?  I recall that not too long ago Jenni was saying all kinds of positive things about Jeff, including that he had become a different person since the birth of Monroe. She seemed so happy. I think it was the last time she was on WWHL.  So, either that wasn't true or something changed. I have a philosophy about adults really changing......it doesn't normally happen. 

So, I suppose that I will watch the beginning of the new season and see how it goes. I may be able to tolerate it, maybe not. It seems that 2018 has been my year to break free of shows that have annoyed me for one reason or another, like WWHL. (I finally had enough of Andy.)  If the annoyance becomes greater than the amusement, it's time to move on.  And, it could be their last season.  It might be time for that. 

[Showthyme]

5 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

. It seems that 2018 has been my year to break free of shows that have annoyed me for one reason or another, like WWHL. (I finally had enough of Andy.)  If the annoyance becomes greater than the amusement, it's time to move on.  And, it could be their last season.  It might be time for that. 

I am at this point with most of the shows on Bravo and have rediscovered my love of books. 

Jeff is usually right when calling his employees out. It was wrong for employees to have a dual relationship with clients like Matt did with Chaz. No employee should ask for a discount or other freebie from a client like Jenni is accused of doing. The problem is that Jeff does not sit with the employee privately to explain the error of their ways. Instead, he has to harp and belittle. 

Jenni may have gotten caught up in the MeToo movement or just wanted to stick it to Jeff. Jenni was good with Jeff but not necessarily good without him. It is too bad because Jeff and Jenni were funny together and I enjoyed seeing Jeff's designs. 

[geauxaway]

I was so sad to see this story break.  I really love Jenni and was happy that she finally seemed to have everything she dreamed of with her husband and daughters.  I honestly thought her and Jeff had a deep and loving friendship.  Even sadder ( to me) is that she was named Monroe’s godmother, so if this is all true and is as bad as it sounds, now she is cut off from her goddaughter and vice versa.  

[SunnyBeBe]

That's right.  I had forgotten about her being Monroe's godmother.  Oh well.....if things continue, Monroe is going to need all the support she can get.  Jeff may have to examine if he is really functional.  Regardless of what others do, you can only control how you handle things.  Jeff seems to struggle with that. Maybe, he needs more of that therapy.  

While I have laughed at Jeff a lot, one of my very favorite things is listening to Jenni rap.  She's just adorable to me. While, Andy is on my ship list right now, I still find Jenni so entertaining. I wish that someone would give her a shot at whatever it is she wants to do.  Why couldn't she land a role in some comedy? She certainly can act and sing as good as a lot we see out there.

Edited September 8, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[clod]

2 hours ago, Showthyme said:

Jenni may have gotten caught up in the MeToo movement or just wanted to stick it to Jeff.

 

All I know is what I've read in this thread, but I wondered if she finally called out an abusive environment.

[SuprSuprElevated]

8 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

2018 has been my year to break free of shows that have annoyed me for one reason or another, like WWHL. (I finally had enough of Andy.)  If the annoyance becomes greater than the amusement, it's time to move on.  And, it could be their last season.  It might be time for that. 

 

[geauxaway]

8 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

That's right.  I had forgotten about her being Monroe's godmother.  Oh well.....if things continue, Monroe is going to need all the support she can get.  Jeff may have to examine if he is really functional.  Regardless of what others do, you can only control how you handle things.  Jeff seems to struggle with that. Maybe, he needs more of that therapy.  

While I have laughed at Jeff a lot, one of my very favorite things is listening to Jenni rap.  She's just adorable to me. While, Andy is on my ship list right now, I still find Jenni so entertaining. I wish that someone would give her a shot at whatever it is she wants to do.  Why couldn't she land a role in some comedy? She certainly can act and sing as good as a lot we see out there.

 

She is so talented and entertaining.  I still sing poop poop in the potty in my head from time to time. ?  It’s catchy!  

[biakbiak]

19 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

She is so talented and entertaining.  I still sing poop poop in the potty in my head from time to time. ?  It’s catchy!  

I find her so crazy untalented and super annoying! That song is like nails on a chalkboard when it was performed and I am glad that it wasn’t catchy to me. Doesn’t mean I am siding with Jeff because he is an asshole but I don’t see Jenny as talented at all.