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8 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

Hopefully that idiot doesn't kill anyone. Imagine the guilt, ugh. We can only hope Sam's birth taught her something. 

 

As if. If Izzy and Sam's births didn't teach her anything, she doesn't have the capacity to learn. 

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Baby Forsyth will come into this world owing Joy for "risking her life" to deliver him/her. And will be reminded of this fact at least once a year for the rest of their life. A dramatic birth story ups the ante for bragging and guilting rights.

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1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

As if. If Izzy qne Ssam's births didn't teach her anything, she doesn't have the capacity to learn. 

Yes, Izzy's birth and the emergency c- section didn't seem to teach her anything, after a 50 hour labor and once again rushing to the hospital to have another c-section and Sammy being in NICU.  IDIOT

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54 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

It wouldn't surprise me if she's already had the baby and these are old pictures they're posting as red herrings. 

The car show/auction was a public event. Someone would have blabbed if it was an old video. 

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2 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

I'm actually worried for Joy.....she is surrounded by uneducated idiots who think they know everything about childbirth...that poor girl will be made to suffer...and will probably end up in the emergency room if Jilly Muffin is in charge.  Joy's baby looks huge.  After the last few traumatic births this family has had I'm surprised these girls even want to get pregnant again.

i am too. Moreso than i was for any other of the Duggar homebirth. I think due to her age- she is so young.  Hopefully her MIL is looking out for her as MECHELLE obviously doesn't care if her daughters suffer in childbirth. 

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6 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

I'm actually worried for Joy.....she is surrounded by uneducated idiots who think they know everything about childbirth...that poor girl will be made to suffer...and will probably end up in the emergency room if Jilly Muffin is in charge.  Joy's baby looks huge.  After the last few traumatic births this family has had I'm surprised these girls even want to get pregnant again.

 Refering to Italized portion...They've been brought up to believe they don't have choice or that choosing to abstain is chosing Satan and rejecting Jesus. Those beliefs are hard to shake especially with mom and dad still very much a part of their lives. Neither JB/Michelle Duggar nor Kelly/Gil Bates would accept that any of their children choose to stop after a couple of babies. 

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52 minutes ago, Temperance said:

 Refering to Italized portion...They've been brought up to believe they don't have choice or that choosing to abstain is chosing Satan and rejecting Jesus. Those beliefs are hard to shake especially with mom and dad still very much a part of their lives. Neither JB/Michelle Duggar nor Kelly/Gil Bates would accept that any of their children choose to stop after a couple of babies. 

And now the disgusting parents have the added hammer of arguing that a halt to babeez means a halt to TeeVee and thus a halt to any appreciable income. With God and mammon both on the 'rents' side, it'd be even harder for the younger generations to change course.

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3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

And now the disgusting parents have the added hammer of arguing that a halt to babeez means a halt to TeeVee and thus a halt to any appreciable income. With God and mammon both on the 'rents' side, it'd be even harder for the younger generations to change course.

I'be often thought this...and if they weren't on tv, they would at LEAST have more go the Jinger/Jeremy route of waiting a year or so to conceive. I think they all push to have a baby right away for teevee, but it's so shortsighted. How do they plan to support these kids when teevee is gone?

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1 hour ago, Christina87 said:

I'be often thought this...and if they weren't on tv, they would at LEAST have more go the Jinger/Jeremy route of waiting a year or so to conceive. I think they all push to have a baby right away for teevee, but it's so shortsighted. How do they plan to support these kids when teevee is gone?

Joy was 6 when they filmed the first special. They have been on TV a very long time. At this point they do assume that TLC will keep filming them.

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58 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Joy was 6 when they filmed the first special. They have been on TV a very long time. At this point they do assume that TLC will keep filming them.

At this point, it's probably difficult for many of them - particularly the younger ones (and that would certainly include Joy at the very least) to imagine that there is a world outside of TLC...Even the ones who realize on some level that these things don't just go on indefinitely must have a hard time actually picturing it...

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I hope Joy and Austin are smart enough to say, hey, first baby, Joy's water broke, she's like 7 minute contractions - we're off to the hospital!  That would be a huge sigh of relief for both Joy and the baby.

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10 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

I hope Joy and Austin are smart enough to say, hey, first baby, Joy's water broke, she's like 7 minute contractions - we're off to the hospital!  That would be a huge sigh of relief for both Joy and the baby.

Reality: "Call Jill! Fill the birthing pool!"

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52 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Reality: "Call Jill! Fill the birthing pool!"

Clean the toilet and call Jill. We is birthing a bay-be

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On ‎2‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 10:47 PM, Mountainair said:

I'm a lurker here but I went to ECU! A long time ago. I grew up in Eastern North Carolina and lived there for 22 years (about 45 minutes away from Greenville) .I haven't been back to Greenville in a few years. My parents sold my childhood home and moved to where I am now in WNC a few years back and I haven't had any reason to go back.

ETA: Eastern NC BBQ for the win! They have a good mix of BBQ where I am now but they used to try and pass off that tomato based sauce as BBQ- no way! Vinegar all the way! When we used to visit my parents we would stop by Gardener's BBQ before leaving town and stock up! Now, we have a smoker and I've perfected the recipe for ENC BBQ and can make it at home.

We are King's people. Get the Pig in a Pup. Giant hushpuppy as a bun, BBQ and cole slaw inside. Heaven.

I also don't get the homebirthing obsession -- Mechelle didn't do that, correct? Or the lack of prenatal care. If babies are the precious gifts, shouldn't you be protecting their health from the get-go?

I wonder if it's more about keeping the girls away from health care providers who aren't - ahem - "likeminded."  The Gothard people like to isolate their kids - guess they are afraid that opposing ideas will corrupt their kids., Which would indicate a lack of faith in their "training up."  Which is why...not a religion, but a cult.

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2 hours ago, MamaMax said:

We are King's people. Get the Pig in a Pup. Giant hushpuppy as a bun, BBQ and cole slaw inside. Heaven.

I also don't get the homebirthing obsession -- Mechelle didn't do that, correct? Or the lack of prenatal care. If babies are the precious gifts, shouldn't you be protecting their health from the get-go?

I wonder if it's more about keeping the girls away from health care providers who aren't - ahem - "likeminded."  The Gothard people like to isolate their kids - guess they are afraid that opposing ideas will corrupt their kids., Which would indicate a lack of faith in their "training up."  Which is why...not a religion, but a cult.

That sandwich sounds heavenly.  I might have to drive down to Kinston one of these days to try. 

I believe the home-birth obsession and lack of prenatal care stem from the families not having health insurance.  There is no way that all the girls make enough money to cover multiple hospital births.  Also, most hospitals don't want reality show cameras in the delivery room. 

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2 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I believe the home-birth obsession and lack of prenatal care stem from the families not having health insurance.  There is no way that all the girls make enough money to cover multiple hospital births.  Also, most hospitals don't want reality show cameras in the delivery room. 

That makes some sense for fundies who don't have a lot of money. The Duggars have money and TLC should provide health care for the girls like Joy and Jessa who are the stars of the show. 

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The girls should be handling their own health care. If they are not smart enough to realize prenatal care is the best idea for them and the baby, it is on them and not TLC. They believe God will care for them and the baby. Of course they have learn how to play the ole I almost or could have died giving birth to one of my babies from the master aka Michelle.

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I meant that TLC should provide them with health insurance, since the Duggar girls are their employees and we tie health insurance to employment in this country. 

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3 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Sadly even with health insurance, they probably still would take major chances because God will save them.

I really don’t think this is it though; Michelle has Hospital births and the girls have all gone to the hospital when it came down to it. 

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13 hours ago, MamaMax said:

I really don’t think this is it though; Michelle has Hospital births and the girls have all gone to the hospital when it came down to it. 

I think it is a combination of God will save them and having that badge of honor -- especially if they suffer a long and complicated labor.   They like the attention of how strong stupid they are .

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On 2/22/2018 at 11:16 PM, DragonFaerie said:

I hope Joy and Austin are smart enough to say, hey, first baby, Joy's water broke, she's like 7 minute contractions - we're off to the hospital!  That would be a huge sigh of relief for both Joy and the baby.

They might admit her for broken water, but contractions every 7 minutes are really far apart. I was told to come if contractions were two minutes apart, lasting a minute, for an hour. I have four children, all large babies  (9 lbs to 11 lbs), last three were vbac, and two of my labors were very long (36 hours and 44 hours). Even with medical history of all four needing the NICU for breathing problems, the doctors had no reason to admit me before active labor.

If you go in too early, they will just send you home. It happened to me with both of my long labors. At my hospital, the policy now is not to admit until you are dilated to at least 6 cm.

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On 2/23/2018 at 11:56 AM, MamaMax said:

We are King's people. Get the Pig in a Pup. Giant hushpuppy as a bun, BBQ and cole slaw inside. Heaven.

I also don't get the homebirthing obsession -- Mechelle didn't do that, correct? Or the lack of prenatal care. If babies are the precious gifts, shouldn't you be protecting their health from the get-go?

I wonder if it's more about keeping the girls away from health care providers who aren't - ahem - "likeminded."  The Gothard people like to isolate their kids - guess they are afraid that opposing ideas will corrupt their kids., Which would indicate a lack of faith in their "training up."  Which is why...not a religion, but a cult.

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Has it ever been proven that the Duggar family eschews prenatal care? Michelle and Anna were both filmed getting prenatal care. It's entirely possible the others have had it, but haven't filmed it.

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10 minutes ago, duggarfan said:

Has it ever been proven that the Duggar family eschews prenatal care? Michelle and Anna were both filmed getting prenatal care. It's entirely possible the others have had it, but haven't filmed it.

Very true, but what kind of prenatal care? Jill and Derick did not know Israel was breech. Most prenatal care includes internal exams in the last month. A skilled medical professional would have realized Israel's head was not where it was supposed to be.

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9 minutes ago, duggarfan said:

Has it ever been proven that the Duggar family eschews prenatal care? Michelle and Anna were both filmed getting prenatal care. It's entirely possible the others have had it, but haven't filmed it.

I lean toward no only because I couldn't see an OB allowing Jill to go two weeks past her due date and not advising both Jill and Jessa to be induced a little earlier when it was obvious those kids were huge. Not to mention I can't see an OB not telling Jill, to be on the safe side, to come to the hospital for her second birth, try for the VBAC, but be ready for the c-section. 

Then again, it's possible an OB advised them on all of this and they chose not to listen because reasons, but I would hope their husbands (I know, I know) would have at least taken the doctor's advice into consideration. 

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10 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

I lean toward no only because I couldn't see an OB allowing Jill to go two weeks past her due date and not advising both Jill and Jessa to be induced a little earlier when it was obvious those kids were huge. Not to mention I can't see an OB not telling Jill, to be on the safe side, to come to the hospital for her second birth, try for the VBAC, but be ready for the c-section. 

Then again, it's possible an OB advised them on all of this and they chose not to listen because reasons, but I would hope their husbands (I know, I know) would have at least taken the doctor's advice into consideration. 

YES!  This.  

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35 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Very true, but what kind of prenatal care? Jill and Derick did not know Israel was breech. Most prenatal care includes internal exams in the last month. A skilled medical professional would have realized Israel's head was not where it was supposed to be.

One of the them (Jessa, I think) mentioned that she hadn't received much prenatal care. They do take prenatal vitamins. As you say, prenatal care would have definitely picked up on a breech/transverse breech. (Late term ultrasounds would also show a breech baby.) 

33 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

I lean toward no only because I couldn't see an OB allowing Jill to go two weeks past her due date and not advising both Jill and Jessa to be induced a little earlier when it was obvious those kids were huge. Not to mention I can't see an OB not telling Jill, to be on the safe side, to come to the hospital for her second birth, try for the VBAC, but be ready for the c-section. 

 

 Yes, usually they're able to tell the size of the baby before they're born, (I have friends who have the opposite problem to Jill. Their babies are very small, and their doctors can tell that before the babies are born.) 

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We also know that deep into her pregnancy with Spurge, Jessa had never heard of gestational diabetes. IIRC, it was first mentioned to her at her BABY SHOWER! We also have no evidence of a midwife attending her birth, or that person would have called for the ambulance. Jessa essentially had an unattended birth, just like Anna with her first two. Anna didn't see a midwife until her pregnancy with Marcus, and actually upgraded to an excellent CPM when they lived in DC, but Joshgate forcing them to move back to AR when she was pregnant meant that we don't know who ended up delivering Meredith. And now that money is tight in their household, who knows what kind of prenatal care she got with Mason? Jill? 

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1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

We also know that deep into her pregnancy with Spurge, Jessa had never heard of gestational diabetes. IIRC, it was first mentioned to her at her BABY SHOWER! We also have no evidence of a midwife attending her birth, or that person would have called for the ambulance. Jessa essentially had an unattended birth, just like Anna with her first two. Anna didn't see a midwife until her pregnancy with Marcus, and actually upgraded to an excellent CPM when they lived in DC, but Joshgate forcing them to move back to AR when she was pregnant meant that we don't know who ended up delivering Meredith. And now that money is tight in their household, who knows what kind of prenatal care she got with Mason? Jill? 

I'm just baffled at how ignorant Jessa is.  We know from the early specials that Michelle had pre-care and had hospital births.  There was even one special where a lot of the kids came with her for the ultrasound to learn the gender of the baby.  Also, I had to go down the rabbit hole, but Michelle had 13 V births and 4 C-Sections.  It seems that if she needed one, she had one.  No big deal - JILL!  Michelle also had 2 cases of pre-eclempsia, so we know that she was aware of problems and issues.  She even said after Jubilee that in talking to the doctors, they had told her over a decade previously about the issues she and a baby could face with her age in a pregnancy.  Then add in the pathetic training that Jill had as a Not Midwife.  They would have covered things like gestational diabetes.  

Then I remembered that Jessa had a sonagram with Spurge - because she framed it in such a way that her sisters couldn't tell if the baby was male or female.  So did she just not listen to whomever gave her the sonagram about regular concern and care or did she just stop going because she just KNEW everything???

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9 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

  Then I remembered that Jessa had a sonagram with Spurge - because she framed it in such a way that her sisters couldn't tell if the baby was male or female.  So did she just not listen to whomever gave her the sonagram about regular concern and care or did she just stop going because she just KNEW everything???

It was probably a vanity ultrasound, which isn't done for medical and diagnostic purposes. It's likely the folks administering it had no medical training aside from maybe a tech degree. The sonographer who did mine actively pointed out my baby's heart and the valves, showed me their brain, measured their limbs, and even checked for cleft lip/palate, but the OB was the one who came in and double checked everything and was the person who officially gave the "everything looks as it should" for the record. I doubt vanity ultrasound clinics would do this for liability reasons and probably make their clients sign a disclaimer saying they won't sue them if an issue comes up. 

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27 minutes ago, louannems said:

But wasn't Jessa's U/S an ultrasound boutique, vs a medical ultrasound?

 

1 minute ago, PoshSprinkles said:

It was probably a vanity ultrasound, which isn't done for medical and diagnostic purposes. 

I am stunned.  I've never heard of a vanity ultrasound/boutique.  WTH???  Um, just stunned, that is all.  Off to find some booze  :-)

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28 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

I am stunned.  I've never heard of a vanity ultrasound/boutique.  WTH???  Um, just stunned, that is all.  Off to find some booze  :-)

Done for the purpose of viewing the fetus and/or finding out the gender. Without a doctor/nurse/midwife reading it, it doesn't count as medical. 

As for the boutique, I'm not sure, but there places you can go to get a blood test done and send it to the doctor. Some of them do ultrasounds. 

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12 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

I think it is a combination of God will save them and having that badge of honor -- especially if they suffer a long and complicated labor.   They like the attention of how strong stupid they are .

I also think there is a martyr component for the women and a passive aggression element on the part of the men. I think they believe women need and deserve to suffer. The sins of Eve and all that BS. I also don't think women are very important to them. I mean look at the way they're treated across the board.

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1 minute ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

They could have gotten prenatal care at Planned Parenthood, oh quelle horreur 

They could nip in one day for a checkup while they're picketing. 

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