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59 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

And genetic testing, that really is a level up for Duggars. 

I wonder if that means Annabelle had a genetic disorder and they were looking for the same thing.

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3 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

I hope after an emergency C section and a stillbirth Joy will get the best possible prenatal care. I think they take to parenting way more naturally than some of the other Duggars and black labs are good with kids. So I'm happy for them.

I agree Joy is probably high-risk and deserves good prenatal care. I always hope that women get the best prenatal/obstentric care possible and have good services that support their health. 

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I wonder if that means Annabelle had a genetic disorder and they were looking for the same thing.

According to their video, their doctor recommended it based on spotting during this pregnancy and not because of Annabell. 

 

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Either I'm deaf, or she was whispering. I had my volume turned all the way up and could barely hear what she was saying. 

Either way, congratulations to them. I hope this pregnancy goes well. 

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I came to share. I’m not surprised at all. I fully expect Joy to hit Michelle’s numbers (or close to it), given her age and how quickly she’s conceiving. 
 

I wonder if Duggar Data knows. (I messaged them)

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46 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I came to share. I’m not surprised at all. I fully expect Joy to hit Michelle’s numbers (or close to it), given her age and how quickly she’s conceiving. 
 

I wonder if Duggar Data knows. (I messaged them)

Duggar Data predicts 17 after this announcement. None of the Duggars are predicted to hit 19 unless someone has twins.

Josie and Carlin are predicted to surpass 19 kids but I'm not sure Carlin could maintain 20-21 IG accounts for each kid. 

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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I came to share. I’m not surprised at all. I fully expect Joy to hit Michelle’s numbers (or close to it), given her age and how quickly she’s conceiving. 
 

I wonder if Duggar Data knows. (I messaged them)

I sort of fear they'll approach those numbers, too. At the same time, though, Austin strikes me as having at least a tiny bit of common sense -- at least enough to have some anxieties about life's realities.... 

Does he really think he can feed and house that many children? His family of origin is small, and yet I don't get the sense they were living in luxury......And JB and M had a tv show, which he has to know he is not going to have....

I suppose "the Lord will provide" plays a role. But I still wonder whether, ultimately, they're going to be this dumb. Ditto for Joe and Kendra......And I'm hoping they won't be. That at some point they'll have the sense to stop the train. 

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3 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I sort of fear they'll approach those numbers, too. At the same time, though, Austin strikes me as having at least a tiny bit of common sense -- at least enough to have some anxieties about life's realities.... 

Does he really think he can feed and house that many children? His family of origin is small, and yet I don't get the sense they were living in luxury......And JB and M had a tv show, which he has to know he is not going to have....

I suppose "the Lord will provide" plays a role. But I still wonder whether, ultimately, they're going to be this dumb. Ditto for Joe and Kendra......And I'm hoping they won't be. That at some point they'll have the sense to stop the train. 

I get no such vibes from Austin. I think he's fundie to the core.  Same thing with Joe and Kendra. 

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Just now, Temperance said:

 I think he's fundie to the core.

I do as well. Joy's had three pregnancies in under three years. They have no intentions of slowing the baby train.

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Aaaaa. They're all still awfully young. And very very inexperienced.

None of them has faced any major economic consequences yet. They probably couldn't even envision at this point what the economic consequences would be like in their situations.............

And Austin rebelled once. Yeah, he's done the rebound thing -- come back stronger than ever. But once he did have some different thoughts and feelings in him. They're unlikely to have died altogether.

People can change their minds about things. Life circumstances that they never fully anticipated can enlighten them. 

And while JB keeps supporting with cash Anna's desire to have all those kids (I won't say Josh's desire because we know he thought three kids was enough, long ago....), nobody is going to be able or willing to give much to support to either of these two couples. So economic consequences will start to be fierce after a while.....And that'll be a dose of reality that they may not be willing to soldier through to keep producing hordes, in the end.....For one thing, I don't see either couple able or wiling to do it by grifting, in the style of Jill R or JB. And there aren't any other realistic options for them, financially. 

Yeah, they're fundie. They're Gothard. But they're not first generation of those things. They aren't converts -- who usually tend to be the truest believers for the long haul.... They inherited it all. It wasn't a choice with any of them, although they currently imagine that it was. .... I think things could look very different to them when reality actually bites. Their baby making fervor hasn't been tested against anything like that yet. 

I'll be very surprised if one of the two couples, at least, doesn't stop the baby train eventually. Right now they're on automatic pilot, seems to me. Circumstances may wake them out of that trance. 

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If they don't stop the baby train, Joy's body might stop the baby train. She already had an emergency C-section and a stillbirth. Difficult pregnancies and births are very hard to sustain over and over again.

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2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Aaaaa. They're all still awfully young. And very very inexperienced.

None of them has faced any major economic consequences yet. They probably couldn't even envision at this point what the economic consequences would be like in their situations.............

And Austin rebelled once. Yeah, he's done the rebound thing -- come back stronger than ever. But once he did have some different thoughts and feelings in him. They're unlikely to have died altogether.

People can change their minds about things. Life circumstances that they never fully anticipated can enlighten them. 

And while JB keeps supporting with cash Anna's desire to have all those kids (I won't say Josh's desire because we know he thought three kids was enough, long ago....), nobody is going to be able or willing to give much to support to either of these two couples. So economic consequences will start to be fierce after a while.....And that'll be a dose of reality that they may not be willing to soldier through to keep producing hordes, in the end.....For one thing, I don't see either couple able or wiling to do it by grifting, in the style of Jill R or JB. And there aren't any other realistic options for them, financially. 

Yeah, they're fundie. They're Gothard. But they're not first generation of those things. They aren't converts -- who usually tend to be the truest believers for the long haul.... They inherited it all. It wasn't a choice with any of them, although they currently imagine that it was. .... I think things could look very different to them when reality actually bites. Their baby making fervor hasn't been tested against anything like that yet. 

I'll be very surprised if one of the two couples, at least, doesn't stop the baby train eventually. Right now they're on automatic pilot, seems to me. Circumstances may wake them out of that trance. 

I disagree that they haven't experienced reality. Joy had a c-section and not a homebirth she was planning on with Gideon. Joy had a stillbirth last time around. Those are both very real situations

Austin's thoughts and feelings seem to run to I want to try drinking and smoking and it didn't seem particularly philosophically motivated. 

I never said none of the kids will change their minds. Jill and Derick seem to, but Derick grew up in two kid family. He has hinted his parents deliberately had two kids. In fact Derick was a convert to quiverfull, who seems to have given that up. I've known many converts where it didn't last. 

I think some of these kids will change their minds, but it's unlikely to me that it will be Joy/Austin or Joe/Kendra. It's more likely to be some of the other ones. 

1 hour ago, Growsonwalls said:

If they don't stop the baby train, Joy's body might stop the baby train. She already had an emergency C-section and a stillbirth. Difficult pregnancies and births are very hard to sustain over and over again.

I can see that, but I also know from fundies I know in real life that sometimes difficulties just make people more stubbornly cling to their beliefs. Unfortunately, for some people it would take very dire circumstances to stop reproducing.

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I'm thinking it may be hard for a Gothard raised child to lose the Quiverfull mentality. Lets not forget the fear of God and the devil.

With the exception of a pre-existing disorder like a couple of the Bates girls have, or something like hyperemesis gravidarum (Duchess Kate), I think for the most part each pregnancy is unique. And I know a handful of non-Fundy women who follow their desire for kids over medical advice.

Personally, I think 4 pregnancies and 4 children reach the outer limits and anything above 6 goes into an entirely different area. But these kids were raised to sacrifice themselves and their lives for God and the afterlife. When throwing in the joyfully available rule and young sex drives, its a recipe for a large family.

Austin appears to be a hard working young man with enough sense of self to stay relatively independent from the Duggars, but he hasn't done anything I've seen to indicate he's willing to go against his beliefs.

 

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If what Joy gave Austin was a pee stick ornament, I hope they don't hang on the Christmas tree, or anywhere else for that matter.

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 I think the pee stick was separate from the ornament. I know that non fundies save the pee stick and use it in “creative” ways to tell the spouse and/or families. I still despite the Duggar beliefs 

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18 hours ago, Lunera said:

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Who took all the announcement pics?  Must be someone even shorter than Joy because she’s looking down at the camera in all the pics. 

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2 minutes ago, Namaste said:

Who took all the announcement pics?  Must be someone even shorter than Joy because she’s looking down at the camera in all the pics. 

Maybe Jordyn? I think she is part of the Jill/Joy buddy group.

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9 minutes ago, Namaste said:

Who took all the announcement pics?  Must be someone even shorter than Joy because she’s looking down at the camera in all the pics. 

It must have been the Anti-Jill-Rodrigues

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I'm happy for them even though I wish they would have waited.

Gideon was so cute in the video at the TTH when Joy made the announcement.  He was so excited & clapped along like he knew what was going on. 

I think we did see a side of Jill we usually don't see in the bathroom video. I really like how she wanted to call Carlin right away for advice but decided to tell Abbie when she couldn't reach Carlin. 

 

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That little boy looks so much like Martin Prince, it makes me cackle every time I see a photo of him.

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DISCLAIMER: I am in no way mocking nor disparaging the looks of this obviously very happy child. Martin is my hero.

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I was attempting to watch the video of the gender reveal but it all moves around so quickly. Did anyone see Jill in the videos?

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Maybe Jordyn? I think she is part of the Jill/Joy buddy group.

Jenni was in the Jill/ Joy group; I think poor Jordyn was in Jessa's. At this point, though, I'm sure the Lost Girls will latch on to whichever sister wants to pay them a little attention (or ask them to be her photographer).

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4 hours ago, Insert Username said:

I actually can't hate on Joy for this - she handled her loss with grace and dignity, especially in the face of all those nieces and her best friend having a baby girl around when Annabell was due.

The fact that she spoke so candidly about her period and her fears, plus Austin's reaction, actually warmed my black heart.  I also like that she turned first to Abby AND is seeing a proper doctor. Of all the Duggar husbands, I actually like Austin the best because I think he knows the value of a hard day's work, seems to hate being on camera, genuinely seems to love his wife and son,  and I think he has little use for the lazy Duggar men (although I wish he would go get some actual plumbing/electrical certifications). 

 

It still astounds me that JimBob did not send all of his kids to trade schools and start a contruction company

Trade school costs $$$ and Jim Bob is too cheap. Free Duggar Academy it is.

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9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm thinking it may be hard for a Gothard raised child to lose the Quiverfull mentality. Lets not forget the fear of God and the devil.

With the exception of a pre-existing disorder like a couple of the Bates girls have, or something like hyperemesis gravidarum (Duchess Kate), I think for the most part each pregnancy is unique. And I know a handful of non-Fundy women who follow their desire for kids over medical advice.

Personally, I think 4 pregnancies and 4 children reach the outer limits and anything above 6 goes into an entirely different area. But these kids were raised to sacrifice themselves and their lives for God and the afterlife. When throwing in the joyfully available rule and young sex drives, its a recipe for a large family.

Austin appears to be a hard working young man with enough sense of self to stay relatively independent from the Duggars, but he hasn't done anything I've seen to indicate he's willing to go against his beliefs.

 

We have no indication, yet. Yet being the keyword here.

It's great now but something tells me that these two don't have the hustle that people like JRod and Shrader have in order to keep their mega families going. Eventually they may have to make a choice. I suspect Austin has never really experienced poverty. Joy missed out on the hardships her elder siblings endured. If Austin is really set to inherit the Family Camp they may be okay, although stuff like that brings out the worst in siblings and he may not end up with it at all. 

We will see what life has in store for them. 

That being said, is there anyone who has JRod levels of hustle in this family????

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6 hours ago, Insert Username said:

It still astounds me that JimBob did not send all of his kids to trade schools and start a contruction company

Duh they don’t need to go to trade school, all they have to do is watch someone build a house and they can do it 🙄

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12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm thinking it may be hard for a Gothard raised child to lose the Quiverfull mentality. Lets not forget the fear of God and the devil.

 

Apparently it's fairly easy, since the vast majority of Gothard-raised children have left that cult! ...

As I understand it, they get a small stream of newbies these days. But the overwhelming majority of those who were in have long since been out.....and many have dropped every Gothard "rule" and preaching they ever heard, it would seem from online testimonies....

And that's even true of some kids in the otherwise diehard families, like the Kellers, who reportedly have had to work like hell to keep their youngest sons from drifting away like some of their older kids have done. 

And I don't know that the Duggars or the Bateses can fully be counted when it comes to gauging the pull of Gothardism, really.

Because in both cases, the fact that their nutso beliefs got them TeeVee fame and some money have clearly played a role in the willingness of the kids to remain part of it all....

I think Austin probably scared himself during his rebel period and returned, embracing the thing wildly for that reason. But that kind of rebound effect isn't necessarily permanent, as far as I can tell. 

Speaking of Gothardism and its potential influence, I looked up their 990s (online through FY 2017) and they are so an organization in decline.....(throws confetti)....although there are certainly still people paying for their crap....

However, IBLP is spending its seed corn now. As of FY 2017, they still had about $60 million in assets -- down from what was reportedly well over $100 million not too many years earlier -- but they've been spending it down every year, and their actual revenue coming in has shrunk like crazy over the past decade. 

Their annual spending has significantly outstripped their actual annual revenues every year for a long time now. 

Annual contributions dropped from over a million in FY 2011-FY 2014 to well under $200,000 by FY 2017....so if support for the organization is anything to go by, they do not have much of a hold on people any more....

They do keep selling stuff, though. (or did in 2017, anyway,...) In FY 2017, they brought in $570,000 in seminar fees; $379,000 in "literature and tapes"; nearly $131,000 in homeschooling horrors; and nearly $1.2 million in "training center fees." For a total of $2.2 million in revenue for the year.....They spent $6.26 million, however. .... So, you know, outgo far outsripping income....

And the revenue is down from $3.8 million in FY 2016......And in FY 2011 through FY 2013, they were bringing in between $5-plus and $6-plus million every year..... Thankfully, "home education" has really dropped off -- It brought in over $700,000 in revenue in FY 2011......Nice to know that they're not selling that stuff any longer. And that the future generations of Duggars, Forsyths, etc., may not be "educated" with it unless their grandparents horded all the books they "taught" their kids with....

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/366108515/2012_09_EO%2F36-6108515_990_201112

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm thinking it may be hard for a Gothard raised child to lose the Quiverfull mentality. Lets not forget the fear of God and the devil.

With the exception of a pre-existing disorder like a couple of the Bates girls have, or something like hyperemesis gravidarum (Duchess Kate), I think for the most part each pregnancy is unique. And I know a handful of non-Fundy women who follow their desire for kids over medical advice.

Personally, I think 4 pregnancies and 4 children reach the outer limits and anything above 6 goes into an entirely different area. But these kids were raised to sacrifice themselves and their lives for God and the afterlife. When throwing in the joyfully available rule and young sex drives, its a recipe for a large family.

Austin appears to be a hard working young man with enough sense of self to stay relatively independent from the Duggars, but he hasn't done anything I've seen to indicate he's willing to go against his beliefs.

 

But he took JB’s house.

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Apparently it's fairly easy, since the vast majority of Gothard-raised children have left that cult! ...

As I understand it, they get a small stream of newbies these days. But the overwhelming majority of those who were in have long since been out.....and many have dropped every Gothard "rule" and preaching they ever heard, it would seem from online testimonies....

And that's even true of some kids in the otherwise diehard families, like the Kellers, who reportedly have had to work like hell to keep their youngest sons from drifting away like some of their older kids have done. 

And I don't know that the Duggars or the Bateses can fully be counted when it comes to gauging the pull of Gothardism, really.

Because in both cases, the fact that their nutso beliefs got them TeeVee fame and some money have clearly played a role in the willingness of the kids to remain part of it all....

I think Austin probably scared himself during his rebel period and returned, embracing the thing wildly for that reason. But that kind of rebound effect isn't necessarily permanent, as far as I can tell. 

Speaking of Gothardism and its potential influence, I looked up their 990s (online through FY 2017) and they are so an organization in decline.....(throws confetti)....although there are certainly still people paying for their crap....

However, IBLP is spending its seed corn now. As of FY 2017, they still had about $60 million in assets -- down from what was reportedly well over $100 million not too many years earlier -- but they've been spending it down every year, and their actual revenue coming in has shrunk like crazy over the past decade. 

Their annual spending has significantly outstripped their actual annual revenues every year for a long time now. 

Annual contributions dropped from over a million in FY 2011-FY 2014 to well under $200,000 by FY 2017....so if support for the organization is anything to go by, they do not have much of a hold on people any more....

They do keep selling stuff, though. (or did in 2017, anyway,...) In FY 2017, they brought in $570,000 in seminar fees; $379,000 in "literature and tapes"; nearly $131,000 in homeschooling horrors; and nearly $1.2 million in "training center fees." For a total of $2.2 million in revenue for the year.....They spent $6.26 million, however. .... So, you know, outgo far outsripping income....

And the revenue is down from $3.8 million in FY 2016......And in FY 2011 through FY 2013, they were bringing in between $5-plus and $6-plus million every year..... Thankfully, "home education" has really dropped off -- It brought in over $700,000 in revenue in FY 2011......Nice to know that they're not selling that stuff any longer. And that the future generations of Duggars, Forsyths, etc., won't be able to be "educated" with it unless their grandparents horded all the books they "taught" their kids with....

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/366108515/2012_09_EO%2F36-6108515_990_201112

 

 

 

Well that's certainly hopeful.

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Well that's certainly hopeful.

Hope so.....I think those numbers hold promise for the total decline of Gothard/Quiverfull popularity.....

But....you know, famous last words and all that.

There's probably a good chance some new loopy guru will leap up with a lot of the same old suggestions, repackaged, and present himself as an "Instagram influencer" or something and get all the Duggarlings onto a new have-a-million-children bandwagon...... 😁

Here's hoping not, however. 

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

But he took JB’s house.

That suggests to me that Austin's quite susceptible to wavering under economic and lifestyle-threatening pressures (You won't be able to afford hunting trips to the mountain West!)

I pin some hopes on this! Because as they approach the double-digit kid threshold, there will be economic and lifestyle pressure. 

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With this announcement, I have to wonder what the status of the show is. Nothing linking to a PEOPLE exclusive, nothing but their own post. Just strange for this family.

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3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

With this announcement, I have to wonder what the status of the show is. Nothing linking to a PEOPLE exclusive, nothing but their own post. Just strange for this family.

I had the same thoughts. You Tube here they come.

 

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I'm pretty sure that TLC posted a video of some sort yesterday.

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One thing to consider is that Joy and Austin might never leave Gothardism because it works FOR THEM. If your interests are just home repair and a big happy family then why leave a life that has brought fame via a TV show and also a source of income? (Remember for the Duggars, being who they are is also a JOB. Something drilled into them as kids -- no wacky religious beliefs, no TV show, no money.)

I also think Joy and Austin have the kind of personalities where the fundie life works for them. Both seem like pleasant, inert people who just want to live everyday life. Not the type to question things.

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13 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

One thing to consider is that Joy and Austin might never leave Gothardism because it works FOR THEM. If your interests are just home repair and a big happy family then why leave a life that has brought fame via a TV show and also a source of income? (Remember for the Duggars, being who they are is also a JOB. Something drilled into them as kids -- no wacky religious beliefs, no TV show, no money.)

I also think Joy and Austin have the kind of personalities where the fundie life works for them. Both seem like pleasant, inert people who just want to live everyday life. Not the type to question things.

Unfortunately they also engage in actively trying to take legal rights away from others. 

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6 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

Trade school costs $$$ and Jim Bob is too cheap. Free Duggar Academy it is.

Not to defend Jim Bob, but they did push doing apprenticeships, at least for the boys for a little while. It kind of dried up though and went nowhere. Probably because the boys are idiots.

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14 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Apparently it's fairly easy, since the vast majority of Gothard-raised children have left that cult! ...

As I understand it, they get a small stream of newbies these days. But the overwhelming majority of those who were in have long since been out.....and many have dropped every Gothard "rule" and preaching they ever heard, it would seem from online testimonies....

And that's even true of some kids in the otherwise diehard families, like the Kellers, who reportedly have had to work like hell to keep their youngest sons from drifting away like some of their older kids have done. 

And I don't know that the Duggars or the Bateses can fully be counted when it comes to gauging the pull of Gothardism, really.

Because in both cases, the fact that their nutso beliefs got them TeeVee fame and some money have clearly played a role in the willingness of the kids to remain part of it all....

I think Austin probably scared himself during his rebel period and returned, embracing the thing wildly for that reason. But that kind of rebound effect isn't necessarily permanent, as far as I can tell. 

Speaking of Gothardism and its potential influence, I looked up their 990s (online through FY 2017) and they are so an organization in decline.....(throws confetti)....although there are certainly still people paying for their crap....

However, IBLP is spending its seed corn now. As of FY 2017, they still had about $60 million in assets -- down from what was reportedly well over $100 million not too many years earlier -- but they've been spending it down every year, and their actual revenue coming in has shrunk like crazy over the past decade. 

Their annual spending has significantly outstripped their actual annual revenues every year for a long time now. 

Annual contributions dropped from over a million in FY 2011-FY 2014 to well under $200,000 by FY 2017....so if support for the organization is anything to go by, they do not have much of a hold on people any more....

They do keep selling stuff, though. (or did in 2017, anyway,...) In FY 2017, they brought in $570,000 in seminar fees; $379,000 in "literature and tapes"; nearly $131,000 in homeschooling horrors; and nearly $1.2 million in "training center fees." For a total of $2.2 million in revenue for the year.....They spent $6.26 million, however. .... So, you know, outgo far outsripping income....

And the revenue is down from $3.8 million in FY 2016......And in FY 2011 through FY 2013, they were bringing in between $5-plus and $6-plus million every year..... Thankfully, "home education" has really dropped off -- It brought in over $700,000 in revenue in FY 2011......Nice to know that they're not selling that stuff any longer. And that the future generations of Duggars, Forsyths, etc., may not be "educated" with it unless their grandparents horded all the books they "taught" their kids with....

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/366108515/2012_09_EO%2F36-6108515_990_201112

I’ve heard there was a huge gulf between how the voluntarily paying parents were treated and the literature they were given, and how the re-education camp children, who had no choice, were treated and the literature they were given.

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11 minutes ago, kokapetl said:

I’ve heard there was a huge gulf between how the voluntarily paying parents were treated and the literature they were given, and how the re-education camp children, who had no choice, were treated and the literature they were given.

Yeah, I've heard that, too. The re-education institutions the Gothardites teamed up with some state governments to run were hellish by every account I've ever seen. Gothard and his crew seem to be most devoted to a "godly in-group" vs. "vile untouchables" worldview. 

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19 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

That being said, is there anyone who has JRod levels of hustle in this family????

I don't think that any of the Duggar kids have JimBob's level of hustle. 

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17 hours ago, ginger90 said:

With this announcement, I have to wonder what the status of the show is. Nothing linking to a PEOPLE exclusive, nothing but their own post. Just strange for this family.

I haven't checked but I'm assuming that TLC has halted production on a lot of their TV shows due to COVID-19. 

This may be the end of the Duggars. Hmmmm...

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1 hour ago, galaxychaser said:

Jeremy but he is not a Duggar. 

Jeremy doesn't have hustle, though. He seems quite averse to real work. I'm still floored by how little he managed to be at his church where he was "pastor." Jeremy strikes me as someone with lots of ambition but no actual drive to make it happen if it doesn't involve kissing a geriatric man's ass or posing on Instagram. 

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42 minutes ago, Zella said:

Jeremy doesn't have hustle, though. He seems quite averse to real work. I'm still floored by how little he managed to be at his church where he was "pastor." Jeremy strikes me as someone with lots of ambition but no actual drive to make it happen if it doesn't involve kissing a geriatric man's ass or posing on Instagram. 

He's got sucking-up hustle, I think. .... Pretty much zero working hustle or studying-your-pursuits-whatever-they-be-to-improve-your-skills hustle, though.....

I want to think that you need at least some of the working-and-improving hustle, too, even if you're a dedicated and successful suck-up (as he clearly is).....But I must say that his levels of success at the moment are making me wonder.....

An instinct to kiss the right asses and a massive drive to do it may be enough for a fair amount of success of some kinds.....Although I do wonder where they'd be financially if Jingle's maiden name weren't bringing in both cash and a good supply of the right asses to kiss. It consoles me to think that, without that, Jer's suck-up hustle might not be getting him very far! 

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23 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

Trade school costs $$$ and Jim Bob is too cheap. Free Duggar Academy it is.

Not necessarily money, but it does take at least a little bit of drive and eduction. My nephew is a senior in high school and has been getting certified in HVAC this year. He's part of a class at a local private college (I still don't know how the private liberal arts college ended up with this program since there's also a community college and a technical school both with in 10-20 minutes in the same tiny county.), but he did have to take a few academic classes at the high school each morning before he went to HVAC. Most areas have tech or trade programs, but given the "education" levels of the Duggars, I doubt the majority of the kids, oddly enough especially the younger ones Michelle didn't teach, have the basic educational background to even make it through a month. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the kids from Joy on down are functionally literate at best. We joke about the Wisdom Books and perpendicular, but at least Michelle was actively involved. I doubt the younger ones who were "supervised" by Jessa and god knows who now, have ever learned much of anything. 

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3 minutes ago, Fostersmom said:

Not necessarily money, but it does take at least a little bit of drive and eduction.. . .Most areas have tech or trade programs, but given the "education" levels of the Duggars, I doubt the majority of the kids, oddly enough especially the younger ones Michelle didn't teach, have the basic educational background to even make it through a month. . .  I doubt the younger ones who were "supervised" by Jessa and god knows who now, have ever learned much of anything. 

Those are good points! It also takes the discipline to stick to a schedule of classes, workshops, etc. I don't think the Duggarlings had a chance to develop that.

As some of their spouses mentioned on that marriage retreat episode, the Duggars didn't grow up with any kind of regular daily schedules. IMO that suited JB fine; he could round up the kids to make special appearances whenever that worked for him. This is the guy who BRAGGED that they operate on "Duggar time." 

I doubt that JB ever worked a job that required him to keep regular hours. He's a wheeler-dealer, buying low and selling high, whether it's real estate or vehicles. I bet that he always had hired help to keep any necessary offices open at stated hours, specifically a used car lot. IMO Josh exemplified the arrogance and indolence with which JB and Meech reared their kids. Especially the boys; we know that the daughters were assigned household "jurisdictions" to take the load off Michelle and keep her rested and joyfully available to breed. 

It also occurred to me that no way in hell JB would go into a results-oriented business like a construction company. That's a business where you have to work with customers to meet THEIR needs and requirements, and produce an acceptable result within a schedule and a budget. 

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4 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Those are good points! It also takes the discipline to stick to a schedule of classes, workshops, etc. I don't think the Duggarlings had a chance to develop that.

As some of their spouses mentioned on that marriage retreat episode, the Duggars didn't grow up with any kind of regular daily schedules. IMO that suited JB fine; he could round up the kids to make special appearances whenever that worked for him. This is the guy who BRAGGED that they operate on "Duggar time." 

I doubt that JB ever worked a job that required him to keep regular hours. He's a wheeler-dealer, buying low and selling high, whether it's real estate or vehicles. I bet that he always had hired help to keep any necessary offices open at stated hours, specifically a used car lot. IMO Josh exemplified the arrogance and indolence with which JB and Meech reared their kids. Especially the boys; we know that the daughters were assigned household "jurisdictions" to take the load off Michelle and keep her rested and joyfully available to breed. 

It also occurred to me that no way in hell JB would go into a results-oriented business like a construction company. That's a business where you have to work with customers to meet THEIR needs and requirements, and produce an acceptable result within a schedule and a budget. 

If I'm not mistaken there's an old news article from the state newspaper, the Democrat-Gazette, from his failed Senate run where it mentions that JB is able to stay home more than usual because of his real estate career. I'd never thought of it before within that context, but yes I bet you're right that JB never did really have to adhere to a normal schedule in his working life. 

I work part-time but also run my own business, and I do like the flexible scheduling that comes with it. But it is something I was only ever able to do after putting in quite a bit of time with the usual 9 to 5 drag. I also was traumatized into being punctual by my dad 🤣 , so the flexible scheduling still makes me pretty type-A about schedules. I could easily see that changing if I never had that experience, though. 

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33 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

 

As some of their spouses mentioned on that marriage retreat episode, the Duggars didn't grow up with any kind of regular daily schedules. IMO that suited JB fine; he could round up the kids to make special appearances whenever that worked for him. This is the guy who BRAGGED that they operate on "Duggar time." 

 

Good point. Definitely JB's preferred lifestyle. 

Randomness is also a major tool of the manipulative power-trip kind of control freaks, in my experience. ....

When there's no structure or schedule, it's much easier to keep people totally off balance and to gaslight them. When nobody knows what to expect, they're on edge all the time and the person in charge can totally use that to their own advantage.

Plus, as JB exhibited, it's a joy to the autocrat in the venue without a schedule to be able to randomly yell into the PA system "Come down here now!" because that always comes as a nervous-making shock and interruption to whatever everybody's doing. And that's a great thrill for those who cherish pushing people around. 

 

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