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1 hour ago, starri said:

We don't know what happened between that and Richard's death.  And is it impossible that he might not have gone out of respect for Richard or to support Emily, but to be there, even in a small way, for Lorelai?

And if Jason's father is still alive, he would have been at the funeral, and with Jason's mother.  Maybe Jason hasn't spoken to any of them for ten years -- but unlikely.  Especially given that he appears to be back in the region, last seen heading for Houston (he said at one point, maybe in jest), or heading out of the Dragonfly to check on a false report of a fire at his condo.  This little plot wrinkle did not bother me one bit, because I was so glad to see Jason again.  He was so unceremoniously ejected from the series during the Dragonfly opening!

Related:  this is amusing, from last March -- "Jason Stiles is returning and WHAT CAN IT MEAN???" No spoilers if you have seen "Winter," which you have done if you are reading this:  https://www.bustle.com/articles/150938-jason-returning-for-the-gilmore-girls-revival-could-spell-trouble-for-luke-lorelai  Sometimes a returning character is just a returning character, not a life-changing event.   

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14 hours ago, starri said:

We don't know what happened between that and Richard's death.  And is it impossible that he might not have gone out of respect for Richard or to support Emily, but to be there, even in a small way, for Lorelai?

that's what I took it as. Like - the Jason thing literally died after the season 4 finale so we don't know after cooler heads prevailed (remember, Jason went back to get Lorelai back) - that Richard and he buried the hatchet. Or even - again just to give support. 
 

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I think a very real example of this was Rory's boat-stealing meltdown during the terrible Yale years after one guy tells her she doesn't have what it takes to be a journalist.  And nearly dropping out of Yale.  

 Rory is coping much better now with adversity, and is brave to embrace a less traditional, rootless life in search of her next writing assignment.  

On the other hand, she doesn't seem completely happy or comfortable with it.  Maybe that's why she strings poor, boring Paul along ... as an anchor to a more stable and predictable life.  

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On the topic of Rory and Paul...

Up through to the end of the diner scene, I was fine with it. I cringed a bit, but I didn't hate it. In my opinion, it meant that Rory was poopy, but not totally shitty, probably because she and Lorelai weren't the only ones who could never remember him. The fact that Luke couldn't even remember having a conversation with Paul about his own father's wrench must mean that Paul really is that bland, as nice as he is, and it's not just the girls being douches as usual.

I kind of get it. Rory's traveling all over the place, only popping in here and there for a day or two at a time. I assume they met in New York since it was easy for him to come out to SH but had to stay overnight. He's certainly nice enough, so Rory was fine going on dates. But by the time she realized he was bland and that she didn't want to date him anymore, her only options to do so would be over the phone which is considered a shitty move, or during one of those super rare visits they have when I'm sure he sends her texts leading up to it like "Can't wait to see you!" "So excited!" So she'd feel like she was kicking a puppy if she did it then. If they really lived in the same place for a while, I think she would have done a better job of setting him free. Not saying these are good reasons, just I can get how it could happen without totally vilifying the poopy person.

But then we see her with Logan. And now I DO categorize her as a shitty person. It would be fine with me if I thought Paul was also on the same page with having an open relationship, and I could explain his over-invested behavior as Paul trying too hard to win her over so that she didn't want to see other men. But RORY referred to him as her boyfriend. He didn't refer to himself as her boyfriend while she cringed slightly. SHE said it. Perhaps I'm too old-fashioned, but the terms boyfriend and girlfriend mean the relationship is exclusive. So while seeing Paul isn't cheating on Logan, seeing Logan IS cheating on Paul.

And this would be one thing if it were her first dealings with cheating, BUT IT'S NOT!!! Super shitty.

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Okay, after watching the first episode, I think this is better than the X-Files revival, but not anywhere as good as I'd hoped.  The plot feels like everyone Rip Van Winkled the last ten years or simultaneously came down with a case of soap-opera amnesia where they aren't aware of what they've been up to for a decade.  ASP could have made it work if she'd written the revival to have a shorter time hop; say, write the setting as having been 2010 instead of 2016 (She'd need Kirk and Zack to shave off those graying beards, though).

Both the writing and the acting come across as "Trying too hard, but aren't we cute anyway?"  The pop culture references seem forced even though that was one of the fun things about the show originally.  But they don't feel as forced as the technology references. "Greetings, fellow youths.  Please be sure to give Gypsy's Garage a 'like' on Facebook!"

The role-reversal between Michel and Lorelai made me wonder for a few minutes what show I was even watching.  I wonder if "Lorelai fires the kitchen crew" was intended to be the new "Emily fires the maid."

Rory's wardrobe isn't working for me.  I don't know a lot of 30-something professionals who flounce around in short skater skirts for work or corporate interviews, but maybe New Englanders are different?  Again, maybe it would be easier to watch if I just pretended all the characters are 5-6 years younger than they claim to be.

I've long been of the opinion that the show went off the rails in Season 5 as soon as Logan came on the scene and Rory began throwing herself at him.  I had hope that ASP was doing it on purpose as leverage against anyone else's being able to bring it back home for the wrap-up.  Now that I realize she meant to do all that from the beginning, I think I might have to pull a Palladino myself and refuse to acknowledge that anything after Rory's high school graduation is canon.

Loved the return of the strummy la las.  Loved the sets.  Loved Kelly Bishop.  Was surprisingly okay with Kirk!

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4 hours ago, TomServo said:



The role-reversal between Michel and Lorelai made me wonder for a few minutes what show I was even watching.  I wonder if "Lorelai fires the kitchen crew" was intended to be the new "Emily fires the maid."
 

I thought this, as well.

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The best joke and best delivery were Dolly Parton's. The episode ends. Lorelei trudges away in shock and awe, realizing that Emily has shrugged off her shroud and somehow, maneuvered her daughter into another mandatory, weekly, ritualized encounter in Hartford, the only witness someone nominally neutral, but paid by Emily to be there. Luke comforts his wounded champion and escorts her back to the safety of their camp. SIlence.

Huge downbeat and, "Here you come again..."  

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AmandaPanda: See, that's what I don't understand. Writing a Talk of the Town piece for The New Yorker *is* your big break. The smart freelance goes back a couple of weeks later and pitches them another one, and then another one, and another one, until she's successfully done a few and then asks for a meeting with a features editor and pitches features ideas. Meanwhile, she uses the New Yorker credit to land assignments from other titles.

Of course, Rory's *first* mistake was to do a journalism degree. Nothing to write *about*. I always tell prospective journalists to study a SUBJECT.

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I've been watching some old episodes, and way back in college, Paris did try to make Rory take an interest in law and/or medicine. Paris had the foresight to see that journalists are dime a dozen, but journalists who also know law and/or medical jargon? Very rare. Not that I think Rory should have gone to law school or med school with zero interest in these subjects. But she could have heeded Paris' very sound advice by studying up on any subject that she would be interested in writing about, instead of shrugging it off as if this is just another one of Paris' crazy ideas.

Paul kind of reminds me of Zachary Levi playing Chuck at his dorkiest. Am I supposed to side with the main characters and agree he's boring and forgettable? Because I cannot. If I'm supposed to feel bad for him and think that the people who forgot him are jerks, then mission accomplished.

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6 hours ago, Bec said:

I've been watching some old episodes, and way back in college, Paris did try to make Rory take an interest in law and/or medicine. Paris had the foresight to see that journalists are dime a dozen, but journalists who also know law and/or medical jargon? Very rare. Not that I think Rory should have gone to law school or med school with zero interest in these subjects. But she could have heeded Paris' very sound advice by studying up on any subject that she would be interested in writing about, instead of shrugging it off as if this is just another one of Paris' crazy ideas.

Paul kind of reminds me of Zachary Levi playing Chuck at his dorkiest. Am I supposed to side with the main characters and agree he's boring and forgettable? Because I cannot. If I'm supposed to feel bad for him and think that the people who forgot him are jerks, then mission accomplished.

Absolutely. Though Rory did take some intro to econ classes in season 7 with her grandfather. Should have done more with the econ and poli sci classes.Why would someonewho wants to be Christian Amanpour not be thinking along those lines? Heck that international relations club she did for 1 episode was great, too bad she self destructed out of it.

The Paul storyline should have been the first signal that this revival was not going to be painting people well. 

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On ‎11‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 10:24 AM, Kromm said:

I find it interesting that so many hate the episode because Lorelei and Rory are still somewhat shitty people at times.

^^This

Honestly, as soon as Paul walked in the door, I knew it wasn't serious.

There have been several episodes where they have been straight up bitches at someone's expense. Some of it has been hilarious (or at least I laughed), but it was mean all the same.

Personally, I think everyone thus far has aged well (including Zack) but they put way too much makeup on Lauren Graham. Luke looks virtually the same.         

I was wondering if Rory's voice changed. I did notice the difference.

I did have tears in my eyes at Richard's funeral. I expected no less from Lorelai though.           

Oh. I totally blocked out Rory being with Logan. Bleh is all I got.                                                                  

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2 hours ago, Enigma X said:

Personally, I think everyone thus far has aged well (including Zack) but they put way too much makeup on Lauren Graham. Luke looks virtually the same.         

2 hours ago, Enigma X said:

 Junie's comment:    I thought that both LG and SP, and even Jess to a certain extent, had way too much hair. Jess can at least be forgiven as he was clearly styled for his current gig, but the other two had extensions and a toupee that were just too much hair. 

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I thought everyone looked great, except for Zack and Miss Patty who really aged. Kirk actually looked a lot better in the Revival. Grey hair suits him if you don't stop to consider that he's still a child. Also all of Rory's ex-boyfriends looked better in the Revival and they were hot to begin with. Er maybe Dean wasn't my jam in the OS but I could really get how he's other people's type. A little like how I regard Luke/SP aesthetically. I don't think I would have spotted a toupee on SP if I wasn't reading Internet stuff on the show. 

Of the older generation, Emily and Michele were the most amazing looking. I kept thinking Michele's life long obsession with vanity and dieting and his looks served him very well. He looked fine in that little bathing suit at the pool. 

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17 hours ago, Melancholy said:

Of the older generation, Emily and Michele were the most amazing looking. I kept thinking Michele's life long obsession with vanity and dieting and his looks served him very well. He looked fine in that little bathing suit at the pool. 

Babette and Taylor were looking much the same and quite natural.  I wasn't startled by anyone except Miss Patty whose weight loss has changed her face.  I can only hope that Liz Torres' health is the better for it, and she's not actually ill. 

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51 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

I wasn't startled by anyone except Miss Patty whose weight loss has changed her face.  

I agree, other than Miss Patty being almost unrecognizable and actually looking ill IMO (which makes me really sad) and Lorelai looking a bit puffy around the eyes (especially in Winter) I thought everyone aged well and looked remarkably the same.

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17 hours ago, ZuluQueenOfDwarves said:

In the OS, it's stated multiple times that she's an English/PoliSci major. 

Wasn't she just English? Paris was bio or biochem/polisci.

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29 minutes ago, solotrek said:

Wasn't she just English? Paris was bio or biochem/polisci.

You're right. I double checked the GG wikia and Wikipedia, and it looks like she was just an English major. I could've sworn she did Poli Sci too. 

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47 minutes ago, ZuluQueenOfDwarves said:

You're right. I double checked the GG wikia and Wikipedia, and it looks like she was just an English major. I could've sworn she did Poli Sci too. 

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HEADMASTER: What are your aspirations?

RORY: I want to go to Harvard and study Journalism and Political Science.

HEADMASTER: On your way to being. . .

RORY: Christiane Amanpour.

 

I don't know if she ever mentioned PoliSci again, but she told Headmaster that was her plan in TLFDAC.

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2 hours ago, ZuluQueenOfDwarves said:

You're right. I double checked the GG wikia and Wikipedia, and it looks like she was just an English major. I could've sworn she did Poli Sci too. 

Do you read Rory fanfic? It's pretty common that authors correct the show's "Journalism Major" to English/Poli Sci so that may be where it got into your head.

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The Jason Stiles cameo was kinda random.  And it made me think - if someone with a long if complicated history was going to come pay his respects to Richard, wouldn't that be Christopher?

Paris being a fertility specialist was a surprise, but it kinda clicked when she mentioned that they offered complete medical and legal services, I guess it allowed her to combine her two passions.  

And while it's a bit of a bummer she and Doyle were divorcing, it does make sense that if Rory's two friends both basically settled down at the same age, one (Lane) would have made it work and one (Paris) would be divorcing.  That's more realistic.

That moment with Luke giving Emily that awkward standing hug and Emily worrying about her hair was cute.

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38 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

The Jason Stiles cameo was kinda random.  And it made me think - if someone with a long if complicated history was going to come pay his respects to Richard, wouldn't that be Christopher?

Christopher's non-attendance at the funeral really bore out my feelings about Christopher and his relationship with the elder Gilmores. E/R may have liked him and wanted him to be their son in law, but he had nothing but disinterest and concept for them which he covered with some Edie Haskell type phoniness to still maintain their approval. Richard's hospitalization after a heart-attack clearly meant nothing to Chris, as far as Richard's own health and feelings. Chris didn't spare a thought for that- he was only focused on the triangle drama.  After that performance, it doesn't surprise me that Chris wouldn't attend the funeral if his romance with Lorelai had been dead for years and remains pretty unrevivable. 

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Also?  At the very end, Lorelai and Luke walk off from the festival...and seemingly ditch Paul Anka?  That's not cool, Paul Anka's the best!

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Finally got around to watching this last night.  I loved Gilmore Girls through my twenties and early thirties.  With the exception of a teenage pregnancy, the relationship I have with my parents mirrors the one Lorelei had with hers.  So it was with great horror that I felt like I'm see my future with my mother. You know why Emily and Lorelei don't get along?  Emily yells at her about her not meeting her expectations and Lorelei fights back instead of blindly accepting it.  My guess is that Emily doesn't call Lorelei either so that's the reason for long bouts of no talking.  Why can't Emily just accept Lorelei for the successful person she is?  She seems to have no qualms with Rory who is jobless and homeless and flying to London weekly via her trust fund to sleep with her college boyfriend.

I found it bizarre that Lorelei was talking about wanting a baby with Luke when her own daughter is 32 and Luke's is in college.  That shipped sailed 10 years ago for Pete's sake.

No one seemed happy, especially Lane, and the whole episode was extremely depressing.  I guess Richard was the heart of the show and with his death there is no love in Gilmoreland.

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I’m late to this obviously, but I still felt like weighing in. I really enjoyed Winter. After the AD revival, I have a deep appreciation for how disappointing revisiting a well liked show can be for me. I was surprised to see it considered depressing. Other than Emily mourning her husband of course, most characters seemed content to me. Luke and Lorelei were together. Rory and Lorelei were on good terms. I took Rory’s career to be that of a moderately successful freelance writer. I assumed the New Yorker was her most prominent success, not her only published article ever. 

The gag about her storing boxes in 8 different homes in the way of 8 different households bothered me more than the Paul joke. (I missed that she was still seeing Paul when she was with Logan though.) I think I’d rather move in with my mom than couch surf at a different friend’s house every week. 

I understood why Emily was mad at Lorelei, but once Lorelei apologized I wasn’t sure what else she was supposed to do. 

 

Favorite line: body shipping cash

least favorite: Paris misusing “less.”

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On 11/7/2017 at 9:22 AM, Myrrhine said:

I understood why Emily was mad at Lorelei, but once Lorelei apologized I wasn’t sure what else she was supposed to do. 

In front of her mother's closest friends just days after Richard's death Lorelai shared two completely inappropriate stories that painted him as a horrible father.  What Lorelai shouldn't have done was give an apology and then get annoyed that Emily didn't accept it right away while blaming Emily for asking for a nice story.  Unfortunately, that was what Lorelai did.  Who wouldn't be devastated when your dead husband is disrespected at his funeral by his daughter?  It would take time to forgive.

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12 hours ago, Crs97 said:

What Lorelai shouldn't have done was give an apology and then get annoyed that Emily didn't accept it right away while blaming Emily for asking for a nice story.  Unfortunately, that was what Lorelai did.

Also, I thought it horrible that Lorelai apparently hadn't actually seen Emily for 4 months since the funeral but assumed she was still angry because she hadn't returned her calls or emails.  Most people would want to make sure their parent was doing okay after the loss of their spouse however bad their relationship was.  

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And upon the first time seeing that parent, maybe don't be so quippy to point out a mistake by the parent.  A little graciousness never hurt anyone.

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I am generally on her side when it comes to her vs the elder Gilmores but Lorelai's behavior at the funeral was unforgivable IMO. Her subsequent attitude as have been pointed out stunk. How self absorbed must you be to not understand why the widow would be upset for more than a second. Funny she didn't tell Rory what happened for a whole year. She knew she was in the wrong.

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I thought what she said was horrible but when she did try to explain to her mom that she had drank too much and hadn’t eaten in days, Emily made comments that she didn’t believe her and that she didn’t care that her dad had died. I never took it as she set out to deliberately hurt Emily. Lorelai knew she was wrong because she only reached out via email and phone messages. They both had hurt each other so much over the years.

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On November 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Crs97 said:

In front of her mother's closest friends just days after Richard's death Lorelai shared two completely inappropriate stories that painted him as a horrible father.  What Lorelai shouldn't have done was give an apology and then get annoyed that Emily didn't accept it right away while blaming Emily for asking for a nice story.  Unfortunately, that was what Lorelai did.  Who wouldn't be devastated when your dead husband is disrespected at his funeral by his daughter?  It would take time to forgive.

Just rewatched this episode on Netflix, and what made it worse was how touched Emily was that Lorelai intitially volunteered to stay after Rory left. The look on her face broke my heart; she was thinking that something good (her and Lorelai finally getting closer) could come out of this. And then Lorelai got drunk and made that horrible rant. The look on Emily's face then...man, if looks could kill.

You'd think all Lorelai's past experiences of getting drunk at public events would have taught her a lesson, but noooooo...

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On 12/22/2016 at 7:10 AM, ShadowFacts said:

Babette and Taylor were looking much the same and quite natural.  I wasn't startled by anyone except Miss Patty whose weight loss has changed her face.  I can only hope that Liz Torres' health is the better for it, and she's not actually ill. 

It's the face or ass phenomenon.  After 40 you gotta choose...your face or your ass.

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Well, I hated it. I LOVED how many people came back for this..... But Loreali looks like a freak and acts as selfish and wretched as she did in the original series. Why does this town worship her when she just orders everyone around? And she and Luke are looking to have a baby? What the heck have they been doing for ten years? Aren't they cornering on 50? What a stupid plot hole to bring in Paris.

And Rorie is now a complete jerk who can't find decent work and sleeps around. The series groomed her to do wonderful things and she just became a monster.

The writer has clearly lost track of the characters.

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Welcome to the I Refuse to Acknowledge the Reboot Club, Chewy101.  While there are a few out there that didn't hate it, I am one that thought the whole thing was abhorrent.

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2 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

Welcome to the I Refuse to Acknowledge the Reboot Club, Chewy101.  While there are a few out there that didn't hate it, I am one that thought the whole thing was abhorrent.

I don't blame Melissa McCarthy for not coming back to this dreck.

I can't stop watching, but I can't look directly at Lauren Graham and her wretched face job. 

Edward Hermann is cackling from his grave.

Kelly Bishop is so thin! She looks like a bobble head.

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4 hours ago, Chewy101 said:

I don't blame Melissa McCarthy for not coming back to this dreck.

I can't stop watching, but I can't look directly at Lauren Graham and her wretched face job. 

Edward Hermann is cackling from his grave.

Kelly Bishop is so thin! She looks like a bobble head.

Yeah. 

This episode to me though at least had the best moment, when Emily called out Lorelei. That was pretty epic and the one thing from the revival I wish had happened on the actual show.

 I can think of the countless times Emily should have said something to Lorelei and her the fact that she tells her story to Stars Hollow and Emily and Richard looked like villains. Emily and Richard has their moments, no one is denying that, but Loreali did as well and she refuses to acknowledge that. 

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After finishing them all, I think showcasing every character that was ever on this show is the only point to this revival thing. Good to know everyone still sucks (except Lane and Zack) and the Gilmore girls are the absolute worst. Rory cannot accomplish anything without constant privilege and handouts, and Loreali is still running for the hills when anything bothers her. 

Rory having no qualms about cheating with Logan makes me hate her even more.

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Sorry if this has been covered.  Luke says "I went to Rory's graduation".  Huh?  No he didn't.  I just watched it before this!  There was an entire plot in the finale where Rory could only get 4 tickets (Lor, Chris, Emily, Rich) and all the random townies were melting down that they couldn't attend.

Consider this a Nitpick post!  I know there's a decade between episodes.  

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3 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Sorry if this has been covered.  Luke says "I went to Rory's graduation".  Huh?  No he didn't.  I just watched it before this!  There was an entire plot in the finale where Rory could only get 4 tickets (Lor, Chris, Emily, Rich) and all the random townies were melting down that they couldn't attend.

Consider this a Nitpick post!  I know there's a decade between episodes.  

He's probably talking about Rory's high school graduation, which he did attend, and Christopher did not. Keep in mind that the Palldinos had nothing to do with Season 7, claiming they didn't watch it. They treated the revival, for the most part, like Season 7 didn't exist.. 

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