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S03.E08: What's Up, Dock?

Tara Ariano

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dubbel zout

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Ugh, Rada gives Charles an ultimatum. I know she wasn't going to be around forever, but it would have been nice for her relationship with Charles to end for a more mature reason than idiotic jealousy. And really, it wasn't so outrageous that Charles wanted to make sure Liza was okay.

I shouldn't have laughed, but it was funny to see Liza Superman over the handlebars and slide off the taxi. Kudos to the stuntwoman.

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Armchair Critic

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Charles could have used the excuse he wanted to see Liza because he was trying to avoid a lawsuit, but I guess it's good he doesn't want to play games. I was hoping Charles would read her birthdate on her bracelet when she fell asleep.

Diana is my favorite, I also loved the actress in 'Swingtown' and 'GCB'. I had a feeling the bike guy was going to be gay or not interested in her romantically.

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ElectricBoogaloo

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For all of its faults, this show has given us some great depictions of female friendship. My favorite thing about this episode was Liza thanking Maggie for helping her get through her separation and divorce.

I loved how excited Liza was for Diana when she was telling her about the bike guy, and I also loved how supportive Liza was when Kelsey told her that the New Yorker guy asked her to read his manuscript on their first date.

I was disappointed that the bike guy ended up being gay. I would like to see Diana have a relationship with a normal guy instead of always pining after Charles (heh, although I did laugh when she told Liza that Charles and Rada broke up and then added, "Sad face").

I hope that the New Yorker guy is genuinely interested in Kelsey and not just using her to get his novel published.

I was so sure that Liza being in the hospital would end up exposing her real age to at least one new person, possibly because of the insurance forms (if Empirical pays for her medical expenses, could the conflicting ages end up being a problem?).

I wish Charles and Rada's breakup had been about something other than her jealousy of Liza. I don't think it was unreasonable for Charles to want to check on an employee who had been injured (especially since said employee was running an errand for her boss at the time of her accident).

Liza's ex-husband still sucks.

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luna1122

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Sutton Foster's comic timing as she was getting on the bike and adjusting and tucking her little dress was impeccable and hilarious and true.

Her ex is a pill and I'm hating this tortured, dumb device of Liza talking to him thinking he's Charles that's going to keep him around longer. Charles is so handsome but there is just something creepy and stiff and weird about him to me. He just seems like he'd be really terrible in bed. Like, one position and keep the jammies on. Weird, cuz I've always found Peter Hermann really attractive.

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dubbel zout

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3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I hope that the New Yorker guy is genuinely interested in Kelsey and not just using her to get his novel published.

It was ridiculous he was denigrating the fact he wrote for the website instead of the magazine, especially these days, when the push is online. (I don't think he was being entirely self-deprecating.) And yes, I hope he's not just using Kelsey. Though she genuinely like his novel, so there's that. Even if he's using her, at least her career probably won't suffer. She really shouldn't be his editor if she's involved with him, but that's not soapy.

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MoreCoffeePlease

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 I was hoping Charles would read her birthdate on her bracelet when she fell asleep.

Ooh.  I didn't think of that.  Of course, that would move the plot along too quickly.

I love this show so much.  Even silly sitcom shenanigans like people overhearing something incorrectly. 

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Kudos to the stuntwoman.

How about the catcall that caused the accident?  Can you imagine someone saying that to you as you were riding your bike?  Is there nowhere and no time when women aren't harassed?

I also love the various female friendships, and the fact that Diana was going to try to give the more menial tasks to someone else, but that Liza still would have to bring her her coffee.

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TVForever

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28 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It was ridiculous he was denigrating the fact he wrote for the website instead of the magazine, especially these days, when the push is online. (I don't think he was being entirely self-deprecating.) And yes, I hope he's not just using Kelsey. Though she genuinely like his novel, so there's that. Even if he's using her, at least her career probably won't suffer. She really shouldn't be his editor if she's involved with him, but that's not soapy.

Besides, she's been down that road before with Swedish Guy Author. Bad idea for a bunch of reasons.

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Ailianna

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I think it's interesting how many people seem to be treating the series like it's a movie--as in, the "plot" of the series has to be about the secret coming out.  I watch a show like this more like Bewitched--the secret is part of the set up, and will occasionally be threatened (or even every other week be threatened), but there's no over arching plot for the whole series.  As far as I'm concerned, I don't care if the secret every comes out.  I'm glad Josh knows, since he's in a serious relationship with Liza, but otherwise, I don't care if anyone else finds out.   

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love2lovebadtv

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3 hours ago, Ailianna said:

I think it's interesting how many people seem to be treating the series like it's a movie--as in, the "plot" of the series has to be about the secret coming out.  I watch a show like this more like Bewitched--the secret is part of the set up, and will occasionally be threatened (or even every other week be threatened), but there's no over arching plot for the whole series.  As far as I'm concerned, I don't care if the secret every comes out.  I'm glad Josh knows, since he's in a serious relationship with Liza, but otherwise, I don't care if anyone else finds out.   

I agree. Except I wish she could tell kelsey. She would have understood but I think at this point if she tells her it will make kelsey feel betrayed. 

I'm also really glad they stop mentioning Liza's game age all the time. People just don't do that at work ALL the time. I've worked with people, even when I was younger, who never knew my age. So I'm really enjoying watching episodes that might involve her age but don't unrealistically keep talking about it at work. 

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txhorns79

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And really, it wasn't so outrageous that Charles wanted to make sure Liza was okay.

I thought her jealousy was silly, but I would honestly say that it was a little ridiculous that Charles had to immediately leave the date to go check on Liza, and I'd side eye him for that.  It's not like it's difficult to make a phone call to establish she was all right, and check on her once the date was over. 

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love2lovebadtv

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22 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Ugh, Rada gives Charles an ultimatum. I know she wasn't going to be around forever, but it would have been nice for her relationship with Charles to end for a more mature reason than idiotic jealousy. And really, it wasn't so outrageous that Charles wanted to make sure Liza was okay.

I shouldn't have laughed, but it was funny to see Liza Superman over the handlebars and slide off the taxi. Kudos to the stuntwoman.

I hope Rada isn't gone for good. I don't know why but I wanted to see the jealousy thing play out. I'm of the unpopular opinion that Rada being jealous was understandable even if I disagreed with the way she behaved. If she had handled it differently, it would have made a nice little conflict. 

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love2lovebadtv

love2lovebadtv

2 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I thought her jealousy was silly, but I would honestly say that it was a little ridiculous that Charles had to immediately leave the date to go check on Liza, and I'd side eye him for that.  It's not like it's difficult to make a phone call to establish she was all right, and check on her once the date was over. 

I agree with this.  The choices he makes are partly why Rada is so jealous and suspicious that something more is going on. He always drops what he's doing for Liza even though she's not even his direct report.  

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love2lovebadtv

love2lovebadtv

10 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

It was ridiculous he was denigrating the fact he wrote for the website instead of the magazine, especially these days, when the push is online. (I don't think he was being entirely self-deprecating.) And yes, I hope he's not just using Kelsey. Though she genuinely like his novel, so there's that. Even if he's using her, at least her career probably won't suffer. She really shouldn't be his editor if she's involved with him, but that's not soapy.

I don't like the idea of her sleeping with an author, especially since it's not a one-off where she happened to really fall for someone. 

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love2lovebadtv

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40 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It's insulting that they made Rada so accomplished in her own right only to have her turn into a cliché. Or was that the point, to show that even accomplished women are insecure about men? Either way, gross.

Or to show someone isn't better just because she's accomplished. The heart wants what it wants. I like that Charles is th  character who's drawn to Liza for her maturity, personality, mind, creativity, etc. True, he's not acting on it, but the attraction is there and I don't think she's insecure for noticing, though she could handle it better.

I mentioned this before: Rada looks better "on paper" but Charles is attracted to who Liza is, not her station in life.

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Snarklepuss

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20 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:

I was hoping Charles would read her birthdate on her bracelet when she fell asleep.

I thought it was just me!

2 hours ago, love2lovebadtv said:

I agree with this.  The choices he makes are partly why Rada is so jealous and suspicious that something more is going on. He always drops what he's doing for Liza even though she's not even his direct report.  

He also doesn't make it clear to Rada in language that she can understand that it's just a work thing.  He seems to be clueless as to how his behavior is coming off to her and does nothing to assuage her fears.  Not that he should be able to read minds, but it's not like she's hidden her jealousy and by his age he should be more sensitive to that.

12 hours ago, MoreCoffeePlease said:

How about the catcall that caused the accident?  Can you imagine someone saying that to you as you were riding your bike?  Is there nowhere and no time when women aren't harassed?

Yes I can imagine that.  I'm from NYC and rode my bike everywhere when I was young and that happened to me a lot.  It was just CLASSIC New York.  Although I would have thought that after 25 years since I moved away things might have changed, but perhaps not.

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aradia22

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First, I loved Diana's outfit. I like that they're keeping her style loud but it's not just crazy statement necklaces. Today was like J. Crew + a big lizard brooch. Also, NORM LEWIS!!! AHHH!!! He's got such a great voice. And I love that Diana went to recap it for Liza.

I loved Liza's makeup in the scene with David. It was really classic and simple but it looked so polished. I could buy her being younger. At least early 30's if not quite 26.

I feel like Kelsey was being a little sensitive. The guy wanting her to read his novel came up very naturally and casually. And yes, maybe he should have picked up on her reluctance but she didn't voice it.

I liked that Diana was proactive about going after Clay. She can only hint things to Charles for so long. I thought the "socialist bike system" thing was funny. I love Miriam Shor. I new Clay was going to be gay though. Diana can never have nice things. And no wonder she was so slow biking in high heeled wedges!

Liza fetching the bike was cartoony but adorable in a Devil Wears Prada kind of way. 

The Radha/Charles conflict this episode was so forced. She had a point. He has no reason to go see her and "work-related injury" is a paltry excuse. At the same time, her ultimatum was ridiculous.

I love Diana's attempt to apologize to Liza. God, more Miriam Shor please.

Is there a way we can keep the handsome, charming doctor?

So did Charles notice the rings but not the hospital bracelet?

David coming in was so dumb. I hope it doesn't fester. Let's get it resolved quickly, please. 

I'm not sure what the point was in splashing Clay with water. Also, not a fan of Diana's outfit. Why are we going backwards? 

Someone please make a gif out of Diana telling Liza that Charles and Radha broke up. LOVE Miriam Shor.

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aradia22

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It was ridiculous he was denigrating the fact he wrote for the website instead of the magazine, especially these days, when the push is online. (I don't think he was being entirely self-deprecating.)

I don't think it's that out of the ordinary. There are a lot of people who find success online and love what they do and who still aspire to be part of traditional media in some way. It's still a special thing to be a published author. And I can definitely see how if you're writing articles online that would be particularly true because you're building a brand in the same way as a youtuber or a blogger. People might be going to the New Yorker but they're not necessarily going to you. And while it's not always the case nowadays, it is possible that things could disappear. When I wrote articles that were published online and they changed up their website, those articles just vanished into the ether. 

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rallymantis

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Loved everything Sutton wore in this ep.  AND the light pink nail polish, which I am totally finding tomorrow.

"Accomplished" might mean you're better at hiding certain things in public, but a great job and an expensive wardrobe do not a secure woman make.  And I say that not to denigrate Radha.  Could be she's been down this road before, and is now at the point where she cuts bait when things don't feel right.  And Charles, whatever his (perfectly legit) excuses are, is attracted to Liza (as she is to Charles, but no one close to Liza watches the two of them together, so no one cops to it -- maybe Maggie will be the first to guess?).  A woman who might have any man, probably doesn't need one that crushes on a co-worker.

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"Accomplished" might mean you're better at hiding certain things in public, but a great job and an expensive wardrobe do not a secure woman make.  And I say that not to denigrate Radha.  Could be she's been down this road before, and is now at the point where she cuts bait when things don't feel right.

I think part of my issue is that the show has opted for stereotypes and cartoons, the same as it does with Diana. The issue should not be Diana's inability to find anyone at all to date. She's beautiful and smart and accomplished and clearly has some spare sexual energy. With Radha, I could see her wanting to hang on to Charles because she really likes him but also because it's difficult to meet a man at her age (though the actress who plays her is only 29... maybe they intend the character to be older) who is her equal in terms of education, status, etc. Otherwise, I don't see him as that much of a catch. But they're not making that argument.

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Handsome, smart, rich and nice?  Not much of a catch?  I'm now wondering what your standards are!

Going off the actors ages, he's 49 and she's 29 so there's a huge age difference. I do think he's attractive but Charles the character comes across as a bit bland. I think he seems relatively smart but it's difficult to say. We haven't gotten much evidence of it. He inherited this company. He seems oddly reliant on this 26 year old assistant to solve company problems and give him personal advice. But again, that may just be the blandness. He's certainly not trying as hard as Kelsey's new "I'm going to quote Keats to you" guy. He's divorced with two young children which is not a dealbreaker and which might be appealing to some people but you have to admit, that generally doesn't really make you much of a catch. Yes, he's wealthy and he has a beautiful townhouse but he's also the owner of a struggling publishing house and who knows how well that's doing at any given moment. We know he might have to move to a smaller place. I mean, sure, he's relatively nice, I guess but not much more than anyone else. Aside from Liza, who he's attracted to, has he been that nice to anyone else? I guess he took Diana to the dentist that one time? But he also seems a bit oblivious to people's feelings at times. I think on the surface, Charles seems like a typical romantic leading man trope but if you think about it, as pretty and accomplished as she is, she could do better. 

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Snarklepuss

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I think Charles as-is is a huge catch, with or without children and with or without a struggling publishing company.  He's still got enough money, good looks and despite appearing surface bland I feel that still water runs deep with him and he'd at least be Liza's intellectual equal.   I think his introverted persona can make him appear duller than he really is.  As far as the struggling company is concerned maybe he'll sell it and then it won't be unethical for him to pursue Liza.  Plus not to forget that even if he downsizes his apartment, it would still be an apartment in Manhattan, which would still be worth a pretty penny no doubt.  I'd find it hard to imagine Liza doing all that much better and that's no reflection on her but especially in NYC I think he's a fantasy come true even as he is depicted.

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I think Charles as-is is a huge catch, with or without children and with or without a struggling publishing company.  He's still got enough money, good looks and despite appearing surface bland I feel that still water runs deep with him and he'd at least be Liza's intellectual equal.   I think his introverted persona can make him appear duller than he really is.  As far as the struggling company is concerned maybe he'll sell it and then it won't be unethical for him to pursue Liza.  Plus not to forget that even if he downsizes his apartment, it would still be an apartment in Manhattan, which would still be worth a pretty penny no doubt.  I'd find it hard to imagine Liza doing all that much better and that's no reflection on her but especially in NYC I think he's a fantasy come true even as he is depicted.

I don't disagree with you exactly. But I see him as a catch for Liza. Not for Radha. 

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Britty

Britty

10 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

 As far as the struggling company is concerned maybe he'll sell it and then it won't be unethical for him to pursue Liza. 

I feel like the show will end with everyone discovering Liza's big secret, she writes a book about being 26 again, they'll publish it, huge hit that brings in tons of money for company, and Liza & Charles live happily every after as a publishing powerhouse couple.

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politichick

politichick

On 11/19/2016 at 1:53 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Ha, good point. Rada always has gorgeous dresses on no matter what the occasion. I eish the costume people would direct some of those lovely things to Liza and Diana. 

Liza's clothes are THE WORST. I binge watched season 2 and 3 yesterday and one of the things I really liked was some of Diana's clothes and the red haired girl's clothes and Kelsey's capes. I cringe each time Liza appears in a new outfit.

I also really adore the female friendships and the whole publishing scene/plots. I am, however, getting tired of the secret. They have enough story lines going on that it seems the show could be interesting without this whole age thing. How many seasons do we imagine this show will have?

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ExplainItAgain

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I agree @politichick. It's nice that the show isn't just about romantic relationships.

However, someone else really needs to find out the secret soon. I don't think it will work as well if Diana or Kelsey found out (assuming this show goes for another season or two), so maybe the next best option is for Charles to find out. I thought maybe Radha was going to find out and blackmail her to stay away from Charles. Also Radha has picked up on the vibes, but neither Diana nor Kelsey has noticed the little connection between Charles and Liza?

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