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That dress is the only copy I saw. Her coats are influenced by Delpozo but  i have no problem with that. 

The one day time limit is robbing us from seeing better clothes. 

I would love to see a collection from Erin. I think  she has it in her to create something interesting. I liked some of the Delpazo clothes. 

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I love Cornelius' look except for the patch in the a**. It looks like some animal either took a bite or scratch her butt. I'd have loved it a bit higher - on her lower back or something. 

Rik's look - party in the front, business in the back -- Look!! It's a mullet dress :) 

Laurence's look was very similar in shape to Roberi's look last week. 

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Maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't Erin win a challenge one week with a dress similar to this dress from Delpozo.  The judges went goo-goo over this.

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Wow - it would be one thing if Erin was copying the silhouettes, but she's also sticking to their weird color schemes, like this fugly mauve & shocking yellow -

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3 hours ago, wings707 said:

I wonder if Laurence is the shoo in I think she is. The judges are not fond of all blacks collections either.

It worked for Christian Siriano...

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24 minutes ago, meowmommy said:

It worked for Christian Siriano...

Thanks, I don't remember his collection ,  clearly ! 

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Half of Christian's collection was all black the other half was cream and brown.

Back on topic, I really liked Rik's splatter fabric and I even liked the fact that it was an apron of sorts. But I mostly liked that the guest judge argued for it. I'd like to see the judges disagree more. It would be far more interesting. 

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I like Mah-Jing and I thought his shade about Rik's dye job in his talking head was expertly thrown.

Does anyone here watch Skin Wars? I ask because I am watching it on Netflix and recently saw the episode in which the painters had to be inspired by tarot cards. One painter painted a hand with red nails coming down the neck of a model, to represent the hand of the tarot card reader. That's what Cornelius's dress with the red, finger-like pattern on the shoulder made me think of. More like a set of talons than the feathers some of the judges saw. Having said that, if I could buy that dress for work I would. It was fashion but in the sense that you could still picture an actual person wearing it. I thought it was one of the best things I've seen on the show this season.

Wasn't Dexter calling some of Erin's pieces student work? His goth outfit this week was the very definition of student work to me. It was just weird for the sake of being weird.

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10 hours ago, stacyasp said:

Google Delpozo and look at the Google images...Erin has totally copied everything down to the fugly dress she made her mother

 

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I think shit tons of what they call fashion on this show has already been seen before, but holy moley - I did google and some of that stuff looks so freakin' much like Erin's. Except I found myself actually liking some of the DelPozo stuff.

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Tim: "Please take advantage of the Brother sewing room"

Me: "Shut it TG, the designers are going to glue gun their garments"

Coming next season to Project Runway - the Elmer glue gun room.

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I was you-tubing last night and watched a bunch of Project Runway stuff. I can't post links, but it was all easy to find. I may have seen some of the videos on here. So anyway, I watched 10 minutes of Christian Soriano during his  season and a couple of hysterical videos of Michael Kors and some other PR moments. Damn! Were we spoiled or what back then! It's so depressing comparing that to what we have now! 

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I did the same thing Beaner. This show used to be so good.  Having one day challenges effects the quality a lot and probably stops many from even audition to be a contestant. 

I would think Siriano's success would drive skilled people to apply.  Some of them, this season, are probably capable of better work if given more time.  I think Erin is one. Like her or hate her, there is talent there despite her recent failures.  

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1 hour ago, wings707 said:

I would think Siriano's success would drive skilled people to apply. Or are some of them capable of better work given more time? 

Siriano won while it was still on Bravo (I had to check) and I feel like the designers are less supported with time/honest critique from judges rather than soundbites/etc. now that it's on Lifetime.  I'd stay away myself...

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Just a thought...if, instead (or maybe in addition to) the huge prize package a real one or two year internship or assistant designer job with a legit designer was offered--maybe with Lauren, or DVF or some such was offered--a real foot in the door, the winners might have more of a chance to actually make a name for themselves. As it is they're given a bunch of stuff and a grubstake to get started but seem to be on their own to sink or swim. It also may attract higher qualified contestants. Maybe.

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I doubt a designer would be up for that. At least one designer was hired by a top designer as an intern. I have forgotten the names. 

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I think a designer might go for that idea, if this show was still based upon talent.  For a long time now, though, it's been based upon the judges preconceived ideas about drama, ratings, and their own personal agendas (i.e. we must have a plus-sized designer win, no matter how untalented they are!!).  I can't imagine any designer being happy about being stuck with Ashley for any prolonged period of time.

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On ‎11‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 10:34 PM, Moncheechee said:

I'm not heartbroken to see the backside of Dexter.

I know that it could have been editing, but Dexter seemed to actually annoyed when other designers received even the most faint praise.  And his constant reminders of how unlike other mere mortals he is was tedious.

On ‎11‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 10:45 PM, Archery said:

Didn't Dexter say he was NOT going to do the same shoulder as before? And then did the same shoulder as before.  Rik's custom fabric looked like the aftermath of a diaper explosion. 

For once, my favorite look won.  Cornelius' garment would make even my body look perfect.  And I would totally buy that look for work.  Thank you, Tim Gunn.

Erin's first look was like a mascot for Pepto Bismol.

Nathalia, good grief.  

Dexter said it was a now to be viewed as a wing, because...flight. 

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23 hours ago, Merneith said:

Wow - it would be one thing if Erin was copying the silhouettes, but she's also sticking to their weird color schemes, like this fugly mauve & shocking yellow -

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I've seen prisoners less depressed about having to wear orange!

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On ‎11‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 0:13 AM, bitchin camaro said:

"we're so much thinner and fabulous-er than the plebes that we don't even have to wear clothes!")

Love this!

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Not impressed with anything. I didn't see anything that even remotely said 'editorial' for Marie Claire. I also didn't really see the NYC influence from anyone but Rik and Laurence. Usually the designers are more literal with this challenge.

This whole episode seemed like filler to me.

Erin - being given the redemption edit. That dress should have been safe and Roberi's in the top three. However, they have to put Erin in the top to start her redemption arc. Her NYC influence being wavy water or something like that. Really? That's all you get from NYC?

Cornelius - dress was ok, nothing too spectacular, too 'office matron' for my taste. However, they have to give him at least one win to justify Tim's save. I think having that particular model really helped him.

Rik - Good intentions, odd execution. At least he tried something interesting.

Laurence - cute party dress from Nordstrom Rack. I wish she would have done something more with the NYC skyline on the dress. It just blended in too much.

Dexter - Although it was odd, at least he tried to be interesting, like Rik. Of course Nina and co. had to keep saying 'this isn't editorial, it's too goth/witchy/whatever. I've seen plenty of oddball goth-ish looking stuff in fashion mags. Don't get me wrong, his garment was awful, but at least he didn't make a cute party dress. Plus the fact that he mouthed off, didn't construct the undergarments and his 'bullying' record didn't help him.

Roberi - already mentioned upthread, but he totally channeled Uli. It was cute and fun.

Mah-Jing - I liked the tweed fabric, just not what he did with it.

Nathalie - good bye. Outlived your time on the show.

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I so remember waking up on Mah-jing' dress when I was in college after a road trip to another school.  Only it still had its couch shape. Had the same duct tape placement though. 

I'm not sure how Erin's would make a woman feel powerful.   It too looked like it used to be a couch.  And she made it her own by using a dust ruffle and making it all Sister Wife.  Horrid.

I liked the lines of Cornelius' dress as it had the "power' aspect down pat.  So I was fine with his win since all the others had some flaws in some way.  And it and Rik's were the only two that came down the runway saying "you will notice me" in a good way.  Which is a power dress. 

I kind of liked Rik's.  Not sure of the splatter print but when it moved it was epic from the front and I actually did not think it was tragic from the back at all.  It was a back that in a social setting would have had people maneuvering to see the front.  That takes a powerful woman to carry it off and I think it is possible.   I did love the nice enthusiasm the guest judge had for it.  I wonder how kind of kink that put in Nina's sphincter?  I think the show was criminal in not showing us a close up of Nina's face after that proclamation was made.

Laurence's was not power unless a spoiled rich girl celebrating her sweet sixteen is powerful -- I guess if it is a party everyone wants to go to.  But it had that weird vibe of being a dress that would be worn by someone too young if that makes sense.  It was cute but it has a window of being age appropriate for all of 18 hours.  Anything on either side of that is too young or too old.

Roberi's also was not a power dress.  It was a trophy wife's lovely cocktails by the pool dress.  The challenge called for the dress to empower the wearer.  Not the hypothetical two generation older rich hubby.  That is what viagra and sports cars are for.

Dexter's was a silly costume.  I'm thinking I could count on one hand the women that might feel that was a power dress.  Grace Jones, Lady Gaga (for one awards show season at best), Cher for her battleship visits and my two other fingers left with no one. 

Nathalie's looked like the flight attendants uniforms from The Fifth Element.  All it needed was a pink bobbed wig and a kicky little hat.

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I really hope Roberi doesn't make it to the finale.  His look this week was awful.  That dress looked like something you would pick up in Target for a teenager to wear to a garden party.  None of his stuff has impressed me, either with the design or the quality.  He is very much lacking in taste, as it all just looks cheap.

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On 11/17/2016 at 10:38 PM, Nordly Beaumont said:

I will miss Dexter's voice. He has a great voice. 

Nathalia's stayed longer than I thought she should (and she literally says literally too much) - but that was a class act exit. 

She literally said that she was literally spiraling into the abyss.

 

Blah runway. Can't believe Tim raved about Rik's fabric. I thought it looked like road/mud splash/spatter which I guess works for a think-of-NYC challenge. I wore that pattern once. By accident.

Disappointed by Roberi. Very nice and, as has been mentioned, very Uli.

Did not "get" Mah Jing's look. Fug. 

Thought Cornie's was interesting but the win? Well, low bar this week but glad he's working it.

Laurence's seemed, to me, still a bit short even after adding the fabric. Talented but safe.

And Erin is wearing me out. Agree with upthreads who wish Tim had just said, "Make it work!"

Buh bye, Mickey. And in the beginning I kind of liked him. Could not imagine them keeping Nathalia so glad for the double-E. Should have been a triple, Erin.

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I'm liking Erin less and less. 

It started three episodes ago with the tandem mean girling, then her mom showed up with the "we're sisters!" bit, and I felt slightly sorry for her, and then this episode she made a Barbie dress. I didn't see what was so alluring about the neckline that Heidi loved. 

I guess I just don't get her aesthetic, and not surprised to see it is "inspired" by another designer. I don't know if the lady has an original bone in her body.

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I didn't like Cornelius's at all. So blah in color, odd in the leather placements, and stodgy looking. It reminded me of all the double-knit dresses we wore in the seventies with the princess seaming and hip-level seaming. So ugly. And the "feather" cut-outs reminded me of the hand appliques on the negligee Barbra Streisand wore in The Owl and the Pussycat. Once I saw it , I couldn't un-see it. Now Cornelius will be worth than ever. At least he won't have witchy little Nathalia to whisper and gossip with anymore. Her outfit was laughably bad. With the numbers getting smaller she couldn't leach off others as much and it showed.

I definitely saw the Uli in Roberri's. It was o.k. but the trophy wife cocktails outfit is a perfect description.  I liked the colors of Mah-Jing's, but the fit was a little off. I loved Rik's until I saw the back. It spoiled the effect of the front, and made me sad. I didn't hate Erin's, but I didn't like it. Laurence's was Barbie-wear, and the skyline inspiration is so tired. Well, so was she, I'm sure, but it didn't play well on camera. Who's left? No one memorable apparently.

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On 11/18/2016 at 1:22 AM, Muffyn said:

Well, at least now I know what to wear to "commie con" (Thanks, Nina!). 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard it that way! All I could picture at CommieCon (TM) was a bunch of folks cosplaying as Nikita Khrushchev, Fidel Castro, and the ladies from the "DAY-vear!" Wendy's commercial from the '80s:

 

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On 11/19/2016 at 3:07 AM, Wandering Snark said:

Agreed. It also made me think she was making a coat for the new mascot for the new drug Xifaxen (whose mascot is so hideous I couldn't un-see it):

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Yes, somewhere Willy Wonka wanted that dress for an assistant in his half-office.

The scary thing about that is that she said it was too short after fitting and she added extra fabric to it. Yikes.

So yeah another sub-par showing in general...

Omg, the Willy Wonka half office, super clever quip.

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22 hours ago, Beamish said:

Plus the fact that he mouthed off, didn't construct the undergarments and his 'bullying' record didn't help him.

I think the fact he didn't do the undergarments was the last straw.  They were so much on display. What if his model didn't have anything in black or forgot to wear them?

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I thought it was a pretty "meh" runway overall although I weirdly liked Rik's look. Mah-Jing's wasn't bad and I can't say I disagree with Cornelius' win, but it wasn't exactly anything exciting especially with the bland color as the base and the random pieces of color here and there on the dress. Erin seems out of ideas.

I think that it was time for Nathalia to be eliminated, perhaps a week overdue. She didn't seem like she had anything else to offer and although Rik was happy to help, at this point of the competition, nobody should be relying on anybody else to help them. Dexter's elimination was more surprising to me, only because I wasn't expecting the judges to do a double elimination and then I remembered, they hadn't done one yet. 

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[small voice] I kind of liked Dexter's jacket.
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The rest of his look was a shit sandwich. Her bra was pretty though.

I blame the show for the failure of this challenge. Not enough time (AGAIN) and too vague a brief. Show, you can do better.

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Re the double elimination, they need to do one if there's a Tim Gunn save. I guess this week there two bad enough looks to justify it, although could have easily had two last week.

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11 minutes ago, FlyingEgret said:

I saw someone on the train this morning wearing the oil/dirt-splattered fabric; but her pants had a back (thank goodness)

Are you sure she hadn't just been standing too close to a puddle when a cab went by?

Sorry, that's how I acquired mine. lol

I didn't like the back to Rik's either. Whoever called it the mullet of the dress world was right. And it was interesting to see the two MC people disagree so heartily. I'm with Nina.

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On 11/18/2016 at 6:17 AM, DEL901 said:

I think that was code for, "your outfit is hideous". 

I wish that Tim had just said to Erin "make it work" and let her send monstrosity down the runway just so we could see the judges faces.

 

On 11/18/2016 at 7:36 AM, Lizzing said:

However, it [Erin's final dress] was better than the pink monstrosity that looked to be heading toward a Peptoville costume for Justin Timberlake's next appearance on SNL.

Exactly!  Throw some big white foam gloves on the model and she could sing "Bring it on down to Labiavilllllle!" all the way down the runway.

On 11/20/2016 at 11:22 PM, LeapDayBaby said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard it that way! All I could picture at CommieCon (TM) was a bunch of folks cosplaying as Nikita Khrushchev, Fidel Castro, and the ladies from the "DAY-vear!" Wendy's commercial from the '80s:

 

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Dying.  Tears.  Actual tears, rolling down my face!  Dayvear...  Eveningvear...  Svimvear...

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I think three things did Dexter in:

  1. Recycling the shoulders that the judges didn't like the first time around. It's great to have your own aesthetic, but if the judges don't buy it, find another.
  2. Having the model's undergarments as one of the focal points of his garment.
  3. Always giving attitude if the judges had any criticism for his look. His arms were always crossed; Judge Judy would be telling him to "uncross those arms!"
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I was mad that Laurence was just safe.  I thought her dress was not only by far the best this week, but one of the best of the season.  And it's disappointing for it not to even get a critique.

What was with Mah-Jing's reactions?  Did he do that in past weeks?  If so, I didn't notice.  It was almost like he was flying high on some kind of psychedelic drug.

Wow, I can't believe Cornelius's won.  I thought it was super ugly, in a really garishly obvious way.  But the recappers here liked it too, so what do I know apparently.

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On 11/17/2016 at 9:49 PM, Straycat80 said:

 I hated those Mickey Mouse shoulders on Dexters goth outfit but he brought up a good point that other people *cough Erin cough * have been making repeated looks. 

We just got back from Disney World yesterday and I kept on thinking look a hidden Mickey when I saw those shoulders.

On 11/17/2016 at 11:13 PM, bitchin camaro said:

If Erin's dress had sleeves, I'd swear Blair Warner wore it to prom. 

Yes, thank you!

On 11/18/2016 at 0:46 AM, GaT said:

Laurence my favorite, but she wasn’t even in the top. I thought Cornelius’ look was boring.

Obviously I do not understand fashion because I also thought Laurence's was the best and that Cornelius' sucked.

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Just a thought...if, instead (or maybe in addition to) the huge prize package a real one or two year internship or assistant designer job with a legit designer was offered--maybe with Lauren, or DVF or some such was offered--a real foot in the door, the winners might have more of a chance to actually make a name for themselves.

In Season 2, Daniel Vosovic turned down a job with Michael Kors.  So where is he now, shall we ask?  Making those horrid woodshed purses?

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If any of these designers were talented enough and dedicated enough they probably would have jobs designing. Instead they want to get famous quick. I don't think we will know any of their names in a year and if they are lucky they will get jr. designer jobs at some cookie cutter design house for some department store.

The problem this show is running into after being on air for so long is that most of the designs now are either boring because we've seen them over and over or insane because the only way to do something "innovative" these days is to do something no one else has done, and there is usually a reason no one else has done it before. Like those ridiculous mickey ear shoulders. The only place those would work is in some Carole Burnett style parody of Dynasty.

If I had done this show, you know, if I could sew, or design, or be super bitchy, I would be thrilled if someone like Michael Kors offered me a job. Then I came from a time when you couldn't whore yourself out on TV to become instafamous so what do I know.

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I agree that the contestants on this show are those who either can't get a job in the biz or don't want to work for others in the biz (i.e. they want to start their own businesses) - but it may not be for lack of skill.  Seems that real, full-time jobs in the fashion business are few and far between and very competitive - no less so than lets say professional acting or singing.   Options are even more limited if you don't live in cities with much going on.

Also, I think a lot of people with talent don't go the traditional fashion-design-school route for a variety of reasons, e.g. starting later in life, limited resources, etc.  Moving up in the design world for them would be hard.

I don't think the contestants can be pidgeon-holed as "less-than" by virtue of their situations - or because they appear on the show.  It's not as black and white as that.  Project Runway provides a potential bridge from their current circumstances into new circumstances - not to mention visibility (for better or worse!) along the way.   Odds of this bridge being built for all is slim, but it is a possibility - and it has been built for some contestants in the past.

I think that some go on these talent-based reality shows for validation.  "I'm good enough to be on Project Runway or The Voice" or whatever.  Just to have someone tell you you have talent - after struggling to find success - goes a million miles emotionally.  I think a lot of them don't expect to win but they want both the chance and the validation.   I'm ok with that.  I think it would be really hard to be a creative person who desperately wants to make a career of it can't seem to break through.  It has to be very hard.

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On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Beden said:

Just a thought...if, instead (or maybe in addition to) the huge prize package a real one or two year internship or assistant designer job with a legit designer was offered--maybe with Lauren, or DVF or some such was offered--a real foot in the door, the winners might have more of a chance to actually make a name for themselves. As it is they're given a bunch of stuff and a grubstake to get started but seem to be on their own to sink or swim. It also may attract higher qualified contestants. Maybe.

This would mean that we would never get contestants like Burt, Stanley, or even Christian Siriano. All three of them had experience working at design houses before they appeared on the show. Christian had worked for Alexander McQueen and Vivienne Westwood before he appeared on Project Runway. I'm sure that contestants who have that experience would look at a prize that includes an internship as a huge disappointment. The show already has problems casting talented contestants. An internship prize means that truly talented and experienced contestants would stay far away from Project Runway.

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8 hours ago, HunterHunted said:
On 11/20/2016 at 0:42 PM, Beden said:

Just a thought...if, instead (or maybe in addition to) the huge prize package a real one or two year internship or assistant designer job with a legit designer was offered--maybe with Lauren, or DVF or some such was offered--a real foot in the door, the winners might have more of a chance to actually make a name for themselves. As it is they're given a bunch of stuff and a grubstake to get started but seem to be on their own to sink or swim. It also may attract higher qualified contestants. Maybe.

This would mean that we would never get contestants like Burt, Stanley, or even Christian Siriano. All three of them had experience working at design houses before they appeared on the show. Christian had worked for Alexander McQueen and Vivienne Westwood before he appeared on Project Runway. I'm sure that contestants who have that experience would look at a prize that includes an internship as a huge disappointment. The show already has problems casting talented contestants. An internship prize means that truly talented and experienced contestants would stay far away from Project Runway.

With respect,  I don't necessarily agree with you here. Yes, certainly some designers with some professional experience--either with an established design house or even with their own company--wouldn't apply to PR for any number of reason; not being able to leave their shop, couldn't afford the loss of $ for however long, not seeing an advantage, perhaps seeing it as a step backwards or whatever and that's valid. But we also know not everyone has felt that way.  Several contestants have had their own companies (my horrid memory doesn't bring their names to the front, but they exist--Wendy Pepper had her own shop, Chloe from S2 and others). Christian is an exceptional talent with the personality to attract customers and a willingness to expand his designs to plus size, shoes and any number of things in addition to red carpet--much to his credit. While I obviously don't know the man I don't know if he'd have turned down a job at, say YSL, were it offered, especially before he signed the contracts he has now. He seemed to have no problem being on PR, gave it his all and won the jackpot. The winner of S1--Jay somebody--was also hugely talented and couldn't deal with his win; where is he now? I was just suggesting that if he'd had a mentor he might--maybe--have found his footing.

As mentioned above, fashion--or any of the arts when you come down to it--is a difficult and often cut-throat business. Sadly, basic talent can be had for cheap, a lot of people have some degree of talent. Exceptional ability is rare and if it's combined with the needed personality (not many people want to work with an obnoxious bastard or bitch for long)--there aren't too many other options out there. Add to that the reality of needing business savvy or someone to handle that for you, PR and all the rest in addition to seed money and I get why PR has an almost endless pool of applicants. Okay, not all of them are the bee's knees, but they're out there.

Just MHO but it seems to me that the lack of big talents has more to do with the direction the show has taken--1 day challenges, not much $ , just a week or two for final collections, boring BS workroom drama trumping the actual design ideas...the cynicism of milking the show as long as they can is killing it.

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There is more to an internship at a fashion house than just learning, there are connections. You get to meet a lot more connections in the fashion world working at an established house than you would having your own little boutique in Portland or some such. It all depends on where they want their career to go. Someone who just wants money to open their own little shop won't benefit from an internship but someone who wants to become a force in the design world would benefit greatly from working with people in the business, going to meetings and events with people who can further their career.

It all depends on what they want. Since this show has long given up on showcasing true talent, I say leave the established designers to do something else and bring in some hungry, ambitious just starting out types who would salivate over working in a NYC fashion house for a year. Those kids on the Jr version were mostly just starting out types without established businesses and they could wipe the floor with most of this group. Amateurs are often better on this type of show. They are more likely to listen to Gunn's advice and learn and they are hungrier for it.

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Re   one day challenges.  I'm in total agreement that these seem to be the death knell of well designed and finished outfits, but I've yet to see (since the move to Lifetime) anything produced as a result of a two day challenge that supports that.  It seems like the designers spend more time swanning about and not actually doing anything.  Yes some of the designers produce better outfits, but not spectacularly so.    Of course I'm well aware of the editing and producer monkeys who may be doing this deliberately so we stop moaning about one day challenges.

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