Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Lady Whistleup]

I've had a crazy night but Jill posted more on IG. Apparently people sent her flowers.

[SMama]

14 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I've had a crazy night but Jill posted more on IG. Apparently people sent her flowers.

I don’t see that post on her IG. Is it in her stories? I have no idea how to access those. 

[Lady Whistleup]

8 minutes ago, SMama said:

I don’t see that post on her IG. Is it in her stories? I have no idea how to access those. 

It's in her stories.

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I've had a crazy night but Jill posted more on IG. Apparently people sent her flowers.

And someone washed her dishes.

[Kellyee]

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Should Derrick have known better?  Absolutely.   What was his mindset about the family, JB, Jill's feelings about the situation at that point?   In the initial stages he had just come back from an extended time in Nepal, started working a full-time job, was preparing to get married and then newly married, I suspect was a little surprised that his wife didn't show anywhere near the independence he was used to from his mom, the girls he went to college with, possibly girls he served with in Nepal, etc.   Did they not have a honeymoon baby?   It wasn't terribly long into their marriage when Josh became a scandal and subsequently the show was rebranded.   Given the turbulence and the fact Jill was likely struggling I doubt Derrick was pushing very hard to get some clarification about the situation with the show.    The spinout of all of that seems to be when the bloom was off the rose, relationships went sour and Derrick became well and truly disgruntled.  

I think the real problem started with Samuel's hospital bill, and when the Central America mission thing didn't work out and Derrick realized they needed money. Then he started doing the math on what they SHOULD be making off a show with Jill's name in the (original) title. I think they tried to talk to Jim Bob about money and got shot down, and that's when the rebellion started. And I don't blame them one bit, but I wish Derrick would stick to the facts and stop giving conflicting stories. And he also needs to stop liking tweets just to stir the pot. These are his in-laws, and he will need to be around them eventually.

 

 

 

 

[ginger90]

[Crochetlady]

I'm glad Jill is getting support from friends. Little things like flowers and coffee, small gestures make all the difference. This has got to be hard for her. 

[Westiepeach]

9 hours ago, SMama said:

I don’t see that post on her IG. Is it in her stories? I have no idea how to access those. 

Click on the picture in the circle to the left of her name in the heading of her Instagram page.

[lascuba]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

And someone washed her dishes.

Ok, I know I'm a hater, but this sounds a little too Michelle-broke-down-over-laundry-and-a-nice-person-offered-to-do-it-for-her-and-Michelle-learned-the-absolutely-wrong-lesson-from-that.

[BitterApple]

2 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Ok, I know I'm a hater, but this sounds a little too Michelle-broke-down-over-laundry-and-a-nice-person-offered-to-do-it-for-her-and-Michelle-learned-the-absolutely-wrong-lesson-from-that.

You took the words out of my mouth. I'm wondering when this officially crosses into "milking it" territory? 

[ginger90]

[3girlsforus]

Wow. You guys are harsh. Couldn’t it just be the fact that the person who sexually abused her as a child, who also happens to be her brother, was arrested for child pornography and it’s been difficult? Maybe knowing her parents are bending over backwards to help him again has triggered some issues and she’s spending some extra time in therapy this week so help with dishes is appreciated? Or maybe a friend came by to bring her flowers to cheer her up and just did the dishes because she wanted to help. Is really the only option that she’s a Duggar so she’s lazily milking it and really isn’t struggling? 

[WinnieWinkle]

3 hours ago, Kellyee said:

And he also needs to stop liking tweets just to stir the pot. These are his in-laws, and he will need to be around them eventually.

 

 

 

If he can I am betting that is going to be one very long eventually.

[Dehumidifier]

12 hours ago, JoanArc said:

$12,000 appeared for his useless ministry degree, and somehow there was able to get a house fully paid for and law school tuition. I sometimes wonder just how much they raked in. I’m sure it wasn’t a ton of money but on the other hand it was probably what they would’ve made working honest jobs for a few years.

 Next time he goes in a tweet storm I wish someone would bring that up for him to ignore.

Why do you think the house is fully paid for?

[Tuxcat]

Derick should get off twitter and do the dishes.

[Suzn]

4 hours ago, Kellyee said:

I think the real problem started with Samuel's hospital bill, and when the Central America mission thing didn't work out and Derrick realized they needed money. Then he started doing the math on what they SHOULD be making off a show with Jill's name in the (original) title. I think they tried to talk to Jim Bob about money and got shot down, and that's when the rebellion started. And I don't blame them one bit, but I wish Derrick would stick to the facts and stop giving conflicting stories. And he also needs to stop liking tweets just to stir the pot. These are his in-laws, and he will need to be around them eventually.

 

 

 

 

Not necessarily.  People do stop contact with family sometimes.

[SMama]

5 hours ago, Kellyee said:

I think the real problem started with Samuel's hospital bill, and when the Central America mission thing didn't work out and Derrick realized they needed money. Then he started doing the math on what they SHOULD be making off a show with Jill's name in the (original) title. I think they tried to talk to Jim Bob about money and got shot down, and that's when the rebellion started. And I don't blame them one bit, but I wish Derrick would stick to the facts and stop giving conflicting stories. And he also needs to stop liking tweets just to stir the pot. These are his in-laws, and he will need to be around them eventually.

 

 

 

 

Derick openly shared about asking TLC for help with Israel’s hospital bill, not Samuel’s. By the time Sam was born that relationship was non existent. His reasoning was that TLC made plenty of money airing Israel’s birth episode. Sam’s birth was not aired, probably not filmed. 

[lascuba]

1 hour ago, 3girlsforus said:

Wow. You guys are harsh. Couldn’t it just be the fact that the person who sexually abused her as a child, who also happens to be her brother, was arrested for child pornography and it’s been difficult? Maybe knowing her parents are bending over backwards to help him again has triggered some issues and she’s spending some extra time in therapy this week so help with dishes is appreciated? Or maybe a friend came by to bring her flowers to cheer her up and just did the dishes because she wanted to help. Is really the only option that she’s a Duggar so she’s lazily milking it and really isn’t struggling? 

Not the only option, obviously, just the first that came to mind.

Because I tend to judge people by the actual words they say and the things they do/have done instead of playing armchair psychologist. So...*shrug*

[JoanArc]

 I don’t think Jill has ‘Friends’ In the traditional sense. A friend is just someone who does something for you.

[Lady Whistleup]

8 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I don’t think Jill has ‘Friends’ In the traditional sense. A friend is just someone who does something for you.

Cousin Amy seems to be a friend. As is Jessa. The two sisters are very different but I think they do have a bond.

[libgirl2]

17 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I don’t think Jill has ‘Friends’ In the traditional sense. A friend is just someone who does something for you.

I think she does have some friends. Maybe not lifelong ones but perhaps a neighbor, classmates of Derrick, or a parent from Izzy's school. 

[lascuba]

26 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I don’t think Jill has ‘Friends’ In the traditional sense. A friend is just someone who does something for you.

Yeah, this is really what I was thinking. It's not active grifting like when she and Derick set up that bogus nonprofit, but the Duggar definition of friendship seems to be that friends do stuff for them and the Duggars reciprocate by "fellowshipping" and praying with those friends.

[Ohiopirate02]

24 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I think she does have some friends. Maybe not lifelong ones but perhaps a neighbor, classmates of Derrick, or a parent from Izzy's school. 

I agree.  I would consider anyone who hears of my brother's arrest and decides to check in on me a friend.  Jill appears to have a network of people who have done something tangible to help Jill in her time of need or just let her know she is not alone.  This arrest has got to have stirred some things up in Jill and she needs the support.  These people see Jill as a friend and that is enough for me.

[doodlebug]

3 hours ago, lascuba said:

Ok, I know I'm a hater, but this sounds a little too Michelle-broke-down-over-laundry-and-a-nice-person-offered-to-do-it-for-her-and-Michelle-learned-the-absolutely-wrong-lesson-from-that.

I dunno, maybe if someone had bought her a dishwasher or promised to wash her dishes every night for a year; I'd start to wonder.  But, I've been on both sides of the equation myself and I don't see anything wrong with someone spending 20 minutes washing the dishes, vacuuming the floor or dusting as a sign of support.  I've done that kind of stuff for others and they've done it for me.

One of my elderly neighbors recently died of cancer.  When she was in the midst of chemo a year or so ago, she mentioned to her next door neighbor that she was too tired to change the sheets on the bed that week.  That neighbor, a lovely human being, took it upon herself to go up to her bedroom and change the sheets right then and there.  And came to her door every week after that to change her sheets.  That is true grace and service to others, IMO and I am sure it was much appreciated.

Edited May 5, 2021 by doodlebug

[Madtown]

3 hours ago, 3girlsforus said:

Wow. You guys are harsh. Couldn’t it just be the fact that the person who sexually abused her as a child, who also happens to be her brother, was arrested for child pornography and it’s been difficult? Maybe knowing her parents are bending over backwards to help him again has triggered some issues and she’s spending some extra time in therapy this week so help with dishes is appreciated? Or maybe a friend came by to bring her flowers to cheer her up and just did the dishes because she wanted to help. Is really the only option that she’s a Duggar so she’s lazily milking it and really isn’t struggling? 

 

38 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I agree.  I would consider anyone who hears of my brother's arrest and decides to check in on me a friend.  Jill appears to have a network of people who have done something tangible to help Jill in her time of need or just let her know she is not alone.  This arrest has got to have stirred some things up in Jill and she needs the support.  These people see Jill as a friend and that is enough for me.

When Josh got arrested, I posted here that I hope any friends she has made in the neighborhood, church or Izzy's school, will still be around for her. So the flowers and doing the dishes, made me happy to know she has support. I can't even imagine what all this is like for her. Her struggle is real. If it were me and someone was over and did the the dishes for me, I would be forever grateful.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Madtown

[Lady Whistleup]

Jill is not like Michelle at all. Shes not farming out the care of Izzy and Sam to older "buddy" children. She's an active mother. 

[CouchTater]

Also in defense of Jill, we don't know how often she has been a good friend to those who are doing for her now (maybe to reciprocate).  As an aside, if she had done any good turns for someone else and posted about it, some would criticize her for that, too.

So I'm choosing to believe the simplest explanation is most likely:  she has people in her life who are kind and supportive.  Go Jill!  Yay!!!

Edited May 5, 2021 by CouchTater

[leighdear]

3 hours ago, 3girlsforus said:

 Is really the only option that she’s a Duggar so she’s lazily milking it and really isn’t struggling? 

It's kind of tough to overlook 20+ years of making sure everything is public and documented in the media as you constantly grift.

Why is is necessary for her to brag & post photos?  Can't she just sincerely thank these "sweet friends" privately and be done with it?  Joy isn't publicly boasting about how supported & adored she is by somebody spending money & time on her with flowers and housework.  Joy has 2 kids also, younger so I'm thinking she's a little stressed.  Jessa doesn't even see the need to put herself out there and make this Josh thing about her.  3 kids there, plus pregnant.  

We get it Jill.  You alone are worthy of support and kind gestures, so make certain you post all instances so you can rub it in the faces of your sisters that THEY aren't getting the goodies that only you deserve.  

But extra points for all the bible verses included in the posts.  Nice "humble" touch. 

Edited May 5, 2021 by leighdear

[crazy8s]

I think it would have taken Jill a long time to learn how to have friends since she was never really allowed friends as a child.

Jill did show a few pics pre covid of doing things with a friend, taking the kids to the library and lunch and things. They were in a small group at their church  that was shown once. Probably still are in a church small group. Bringing meals and helping with housework, childcare, etc would be exactly what the small group would be expected to do.

If she is letting people in her home now they must be known and trusted friends on some level. If it was me, I certainly wouldn't be letting just anyone in my home in the moment. Worried they might tweet out what I said about the situation or alert InTouch or someone how I am feeling or my thoughts on the situation.

I will say if Jill had ever posted on taking flowers or a meal to a friend, I myself would have had the thought she was making someone's crisis about herself since her listed job is to "create content" 

[Ohiopirate02]

19 minutes ago, leighdear said:

 

Why is is necessary for her to brag & post photos?  Can't she just sincerely thank these "sweet friends" privately and be done with it? 

 

I don't see her stories as bragging.  I see someone who has many people to thank but not enough left in the tank to thank each individually.  So she posts two pictures thanking them for what they did.  Those stories are the 21st century version of the thank you note for millennials and gen-z.  

[JoanArc]

48 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Jill is not like Michelle at all. Shes not farming out the care of Izzy and Sam to older "buddy" children. She's an active mother. 

She....grifters every chance she gets and doesn’t have reciprocal relationships with outsiders.  I mean, it takes a long way to plunge to Michelle’s depths, But there are some similarities.

Edited May 5, 2021 by JoanArc

[Lady Whistleup]

2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

She....grifters every chance she gets and doesn’t have reciprocal relationships with outsiders.  I mean, it takes a long way to plunge to Michelle’s depths, But there are some similarities.

How does she grift? She's has brand sponsors but that's typical of SM influencers. 

[GeeGolly]

I'm right down the middle with Jill. I'm glad she has support, and it has only been about a week. But this will be going on for months, so unless this exacerbated an existing physical or mental illness, I suspect the support will decrease over time. 

As far as Jill posting 'thank-yous', I get that. I do it and I see it done all the time on FB. The thing is, I'm also tagged in 'thank yous' from others. That's something I don't recall seeing about Jill.

I'm unfamiliar with IG, if Jill is tagged in an IG post, will it show up on her page?

[JoanArc]

2 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

How does she grift? She's has brand sponsors but that's typical of SM influencers. 

Happy Mail ring a bell?

[Lady Whistleup]

1 minute ago, JoanArc said:

Happy Mail ring a bell?

Happy mail is typical of SM influencers. So are unboxing videos of gifts. You should never follow BIg Brother contestants. After every season they usually do an unboxing IG live of all the gifts ppl sent them. I don't get it but whatever makes people happy.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Lady Whistleup

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

I'm right down the middle with Jill. I'm glad she has support, and it has only been about a week. But this will be going on for months, so unless this exacerbated an existing physical or mental illness, I suspect the support will decrease over time. 

As far as Jill posting 'thank-yous', I get that. I do it and I see it done all the time on FB. The thing is, I'm also tagged in 'thank yous' from others. That's something I don't recall seeing about Jill.

I'm unfamiliar with IG, if Jill is tagged in an IG post, will it show up on her page?

No, Jill's Instagram page will only show her posts and the stories she saves.  I've never searched a handle in Instagram to see if tagged posts show up that way.  The feed is nothing like Facebook where you can see where your friends were tagged in a post.  

The thank you posts that Jill did are in her stories and those delete after 24 hours.  It's not permanent.

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Happy mail is typical of SM influencers. So are unboxing videos of gifts. You should never follow BIg Brother contestants. After every season they usually do an unboxing IG live of all the gifts ppl sent them. I don't get it but whatever makes people happy.

Happy mail also happens to just about anyone famous enough.  A writer I follow on Twitter has known interests and people will send her items related to those interests all the time.  She also keeps up an Amazon wish list for those fans who like to buy her cats toys and treats.  People like to send their faves gifts.  Jill having a way for them to do that with their PO box is not a bad idea.  

 

[JoanArc]

7 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Happy mail is typical of SM influencers. So are unboxing videos of gifts. You should never follow BIg Brother contestants. After every season they usually do an unboxing IG live of all the gifts ppl sent them. I don't get it but whatever makes people happy.

I don’t have social media for just this reason.

[Lady Whistleup]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Happy mail also happens to just about anyone famous enough.  A writer I follow on Twitter has known interests and people will send her items related to those interests all the time.  She also keeps up an Amazon wish list for those fans who like to buy her cats toys and treats.  People like to send their faves gifts.  Jill having a way for them to do that with their PO box is not a bad idea.  

 

Just yesterday Lebron got some "happy mail" of some cognac and he plugged it in his IG stories. It's sort of a package deal -- I send you stuff, you plug my stuff.

[Tuxcat]

According to the Sun (so who knows...?) Jill and Amy are at the bond hearing.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I don't see her stories as bragging.  I see someone who has many people to thank but not enough left in the tank to thank each individually.  So she posts two pictures thanking them for what they did.  Those stories are the 21st century version of the thank you note for millennials and gen-z.  

Except thank you notes were private and not posted for millions of strangers. SM also allows for posts /messages that are private, but they still post publicly. 

[emmawoodhouse]

3 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

According to the Sun (so who knows...?) Jill and Amy are at the bond hearing.

They are on Zoom.

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

They are on Zoom.

I really hope Jill isn't attending this. It might be way too much for her.

[lascuba]

3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

She....grifters every chance she gets and doesn’t have reciprocal relationships with outsiders.  I mean, it takes a long way to plunge to Michelle’s depths, But there are some similarities.

There's something so disturbing about how Jill is being painted as the "good" victim in all of this and therefore everything she does is honest and pure and above reproach. She's not evil incarnate, but damn, it's clear the girl learned how to use social media to her advantage.

[JoanArc]

 I’ve been critical of Jill today. But I will say props to her for going on the zoom call. Not everyone would want to face their abuser, even indirectly like this. I really truly do hope therapy will help her get through this and grow as a person. It already has helped a lot. 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, JoanArc said:

 I’ve been critical of Jill today. But I will say props to her for going on the zoom call. Not everyone would want to face their abuser, even indirectly like this. I really truly do hope therapy will help her get through this and grow as a person. It already has helped a lot. 

I work with a lot folks and have heard a lot of crazy and disturbing things. I have never heard anything close to what I briefly skimmed in the Josh thread. I hope Jill, the 3 other sisters and all her siblings are okay after today. This has got to be so tough for all of them.

[wait.what]

I think a sex abuse survivor who was forced to live with her abuser, serve her abuser, clean up after her abuser, go on national tv and say “it was nothing”, watch her parents cater to her abuser, and was taught from a young age that her abuse was her fault deserves to be given a little leeway in her reaction of her abuser being arrested. 

Is she wants to post a video of a choreographed cheer dance in celebration of his arrest, or a rant video cursing her brother, or a smug photo of her empty sink, flowers and eating graham crackers: I’m here for it!

you go on with your bad self, Jill. More power to you!

[Lady Whistleup]

Jill's going to be downing so much coffee in the next few days ...

In all seriousness, hope she's okay after listening to that zoom call. 

[Trillium]

It seems before the arrest things were already crazy for them since it was finals time. Then her abuser gets arrested, media outlets contacting them for a quote, her husband getting into Twitter arguments again. I’m glad she has people who care. You know her parents are too busy calling every “sweet friend” to take in the eldest child  to care about her, or really any of their other children. 

[3girlsforus]

1 hour ago, Trillium said:

It seems before the arrest things were already crazy for them since it was finals time. Then her abuser gets arrested, media outlets contacting them for a quote, her husband getting into Twitter arguments again. I’m glad she has people who care. You know her parents are too busy calling every “sweet friend” to take in the eldest child  to care about her, or really any of their other children. 

I actually hope her parents are too busy to contact her. The last thing she needs is to have to deal with them. You know the call would not be to beg Jill’s forgiveness for not protecting her from a predator.