Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[BitterApple]

Derrick looks much better, bandana and all.

Is that a shopping mall? It looks pretty modern and spiffy. I thought everyone lived in mud huts down in Danger America?

[Marigny]

Is that a food court I see behind them?

[louannems]

The big, white, dirty baby has his diapered (and potentially oozy) butt on a table where one eats!  At least Jill let the new climber out of his grubby chair prison. (Actually, Izzy looks clean here!)

[Sew Sumi]

Certainly looks like a mall. Like @BitterApple, I didn't realize these were a thing in Danger America. Maybe they just cater to the gringo missioncationers in the area?

[louannems]

Izzy looks 2 1/2

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

The necklace Derick has been wearing for a while is now gone, but the bandana seems to have replaced it. Boob must be apoplectic. 

Wonder what is in Derick's hand that he seems to be holding out of camera range?

[JoanArc]

That could be an airport or bus station.

[ariel]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

No escuela en la casa, Muffy? Wanna bet that they're being taught a bible story rather than something practical?

 

What's with Jill & the constant crazy eye look?

[Marigold]

I'm surprised Jill didn't put a shirt on Izzy for the picture. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

No escuela en la casa, Muffy? Wanna bet that they're being taught a bible story rather than something practical?

Could well be...That drawing on the wall does have a certain Noah's Ark-esque look to it. One of the most *ahem* credible of all the Bible stories out there...

[Sew Sumi]

That's what I saw too, @Jynnan tonnix. Meanwhile, some interesting information regarding Derick's surgery showed up on his feed. Read the posts from tolivelifeelevated. Read the second one first; they posted in the opposite order of my uploads: 

 

Edited May 14, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[Maharincess]

On 5/10/2016 at 6:26 AM, lulu69 said:

Much has been made of Jill's messy house, including her suffering from depression, heat exhaustion or just plain laziness. A thought occurred to me. Maybe Jill keeps a messy house because she CAN.

As someone who grew up with a domineering father & an OCD mother, I reveled in having my first place to do whatever, whenever I wanted. It was mine & if I wanted to leave things on  the counter or throw stuff on the floor I could. I didn't have to answer to anyone.

Yes, this type of behavior is somewhat juvenile, but look who we're talking about. Derick did say that early in their marriage Jill would bring her food in the bathroom to eat, presumably to protect it or get some much needed privacy a house w/20 other people. Maybe controlling her environment is Muffy's way of rebeling.

I was the exact opposite.  I grew up in a nasty, dirty house and was embarrassed to have my friends visit when I was a kid.  I loved getting my first place because I could keep it clean. That place was always immaculate. I've been a clean freak ever since. I can't stand a dirty house. 

It's interesting how our experiences shape up in ways like this. 

[Micks Picks]

What was the comment in Derrick's feed about his surgery where the person said what did you think he was doing in Nepal.  He wasn't a missionary.  I don't get it, but it sounds intriguing.  What's the scoop?  Anybody have an idea?

[gingerandcloves]

5 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Could well be...That drawing on the wall does have a certain Noah's Ark-esque look to it. One of the most *ahem* credible of all the Bible stories out there...

Yes, indeed. Take a look at her hashtag: #elarcadenoe = the ark of Noah

[MunichNark]

36 minutes ago, Micks Picks said:

What was the comment in Derrick's feed about his surgery where the person said what did you think he was doing in Nepal.  He wasn't a missionary.  I don't get it, but it sounds intriguing.  What's the scoop?  Anybody have an idea?

Well, this has been said before, but he seems to just have been a kind of tourist or guide or something. Can't remember why, perhaps Nepal doesn't allow Missionaries, but he certainly didn't go there with a Mish visa. He seems to have been a tour guide or language teacher or something - I can't quite remember, but am sure that this has been mentioned either here or perhaps on the Pickles FB page.

[Churchhoney]

11 hours ago, louannems said:

The big, white, dirty baby has his diapered (and potentially oozy) butt on a table where one eats!  At least Jill let the new climber out of his grubby chair prison. (Actually, Izzy looks clean here!)

Jill is Michelle's kid, all right. Food surfaces, schmood surfaces. We'll run and plunk our butts where we like.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Churchhoney
because "services" are not "surfaces"

[Churchhoney]

5 hours ago, Micks Picks said:

What was the comment in Derrick's feed about his surgery where the person said what did you think he was doing in Nepal.  He wasn't a missionary.  I don't get it, but it sounds intriguing.  What's the scoop?  Anybody have an idea?

The Baptist missionary board (as well as some others) encourages a lot of people-with-a-missionary-ambition to go to countries beyond the number they are allowed to have in as official missionaries. They advise these people -- students, tourists, business people -- on how to get into universities, even help them get jobs that are set up by Baptist in-country liaisons (they have an official name for this post) and then they give them instruction, encouragement and opportunities to also function as informal missionaries among the population -- meeting and hanging out with locals and talking to them about the wonderful world of being baptists.

They do this both to get around the limits that most every country places on the number of missionaries they'll allow in and to save money, since these people essentially pay their own way.

Derick was one of these. He worked for a trekking company and studied language, and then spent the rest of his time hanging out with his Nepalese coworkers, fellow students and neighbors, talking to them about becoming conservative Protestant Christians.

This is standard practice -- albeit a practice somewhat kept-on-the-quiet to avoid national governments picking up on it and trying to crack down -- with the Baptist missionary board and others. So it's only scandalous if you consider the missionary board's activities in this vein scandalous. It's not some nefarious thing that Derick did on his own. It's all described on the missionary board website (although a tad bit cryptically, for the reasons I mentioned above). A lot of people accuse Derick of being a liar for the way he portrays his time in Nepal, but the people who participate are clearly encouraged to do so quietly, both before and after their adventures, for the reasons I mentioned above.

[NewDigs]

Might not be scandalous but that sneak-missioncationers-in policy is, at best, dishonest and disrespectful. Imho.

Maybe what Derick is holding outside the big-chicken frame is a selfie stick. They don't seem to miss many opportunities.

Startled-Jill looks like she was photoshopped into that Ark picture.

[Arwen Evenstar]

12 hours ago, louannems said:

Izzy looks 2 1/2

Ball pits are known for being horribly unsanitary...more questionable parenting by Jilly Muffin after scrubbing The Big White Dirty Baby...when did she set his hiney on the dining table?

[kokapetl]

But it's the babies that make the ball pits dirty. 

Edited May 14, 2016 by ingenting

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, NewDigs said:

Might not be scandalous but that sneak-missioncationers-in policy is, at best, dishonest and disrespectful. Imho.

 

Oh, I basically agree. As far as my personal view goes, I see it the same way you do. But that's because I don't believe that any religious group can know for sure if it has the corner on truth, so people's individual beliefs have to be given some respect.

However, I also think that it's hard to push that judgment onto other people who have different premises -- you can only go back to square one and try to argue against their premises, which is a whole other thing. If somebody truly believes that humans are screwed for eternity if they don't embrace the Baptist Jesus, then obviously the very best thing to do -- and in fact the necessary and kind thing to do -- is to proselytize in any way possible. If that's your premise, then it would be uncaring and disrespectful not to think people should go wherever they can go as missionaries. And dishonesty in the service of what somebody sees as a higher good is generally considered acceptable (although not necessarily the best choice) by most of us, I think.

My main point, though, is that we can't blame it on Derick individually. He acted not only based on a premise I expect he strongly holds -- that you gotta be a Baptist-type-Protestant to have a happy eternal life -- but under the auspices of an institution that many many people hold in very high regard

Edited May 14, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Arwen Evenstar]

I agree, Churchie.  I'm sure Muffy and Derick are largely acting under an umbrella group, which may be why they are surprised by all the criticism they have received.

Jilly Muffin being a Duggar is guilty by association....and is going to be criticized simply for that until she shows evidence of being otherwise.

Derick is a Kool Aid swilling hipster doofus wannabe missionary who we thought would save our heroine Muffy from the evil clutches of Boob.  Unless he's got a super secret plan, he's been a huge disappointment to us all thus far.  The level of brainwashing Muffy was subjected to would take a long time to unlearn...poor girl eats in the bathroom and clings to Derick like a barnacle because she's in fear of the outside world.

Izzy is a cutie, albeit a grubby baby, but that's not his fault at all.

[BitterApple]

Regarding Derick's surgery, it's interesting to read what many of us on here suspected, that the procedure was botched. Derick had good health care coverage through Walmart, so why would he go to someone who wasn't board certified? Surely they must have decent specialists in Little Rock.

I doubt he and Jill have insurance now, so I wonder what will happen if he needs corrective work. 

[Absolom]

Having dealt extensively with the health care situation in Arkansas, I can say that it isn't a given at all that someone will have access to a thoroughly trained "decent specialist" even in Little Rock.  My stepfather went blind due to the supposed decent specialists in Little Rock and my mother would have also had I not intervened.  There are some good doctors there, but there are more doctors practicing outside their specialties than anywhere else I have seen recently.  I'm not at all surprised that Derick ended up with a messed up surgery.  Notice his own mother had to leave the state for her cancer treatment. 

[Sew Sumi]

Cathy had stem cell replacement. My dad died from NHL 9 years ago. I would have schlepped him to Nebraska for that treatment in a heartbeat had it been available. What I am trying to say is that the treatment isn't universal yet, and is probably very expensive, so one must have Cadillac insurance. 

Bringing this back to Derick's situation, his condition isn't cancer, and it's not anything newfangled. They have money; there should have been a board certified surgeon within a four hour driving radius (Duggar territory). Couldn't he have found someone at his alma mater? Anyone? Bueller?

Edited May 14, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[Absolom]

I'm saying that my parents had garden variety problems and the misdiagnosis and shoddy treatment they received at the allegedly top of the line places in Little Rock left me much less than impressed with what is available medically in Arkansas.  They were sent to Little Rock to get better care than small town Arkansas offered.  Even if Derick had traveled to Little Rock for the surgery that is certainly no guarantee that he would have received proper care.  There is a real scarcity of properly board certified physicians in the state and a ton of doctors practicing outside their specialty.  Just an example, I was introduced to a "cancer specialist" and when I looked him up he was board certified in nothing and his training had been in geriatrics.  No argument Cathy was better off going elsewhere.  That's my point that a lot is not available.

[ariel]

Arkansas is one of those states that doesn't like any regulations for most things.  The only regulations they like is for women's reproductive choices.

[riverblue22]

1 hour ago, ariel said:

Arkansas is one of those states that doesn't like any regulations for most things.  The only regulations they like is for women's reproductive choices.

I'm sure they are working hard on strict bathroom regulations at this very moment!

[bigskygirl]

Keep the discussion on Derick, Jill, and Izzy. Take non topic opinions about dental care, lack of quality medical care in Arkansas, and strict bathroom regulations to another place. Thank you.

[Muffyn]

21 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Jill is Michelle's kid, all right. Food surfaces, schmood surfaces. We'll run and plunk our butts where we like.

Give that boy a year or two and he'll be licking counters alongside Josie!

Derick and I had the same surgery.  I thought he had his lower jaw done but those comments say it was his palate.  It  is difficult  to find a specialist who does this surgery.  It is very uncommon.  So I'm not surprised some hack botched it.    

[Barb23]

I wonder which one of the native kids was Jill's interpreter for the lesson. With her limited Spanish, there's no way she could have gotten thru the story of Noah without one.

Did they have to walk on that "dangerous" path we always see them on to get to the ball pit?

[Arwen Evenstar]

45 minutes ago, Barb23 said:

I wonder which one of the native kids was Jill's interpreter for the lesson. With her limited Spanish, there's no way she could have gotten thru the story of Noah without one.

Did they have to walk on that "dangerous" path we always see them on to get to the ball pit?

How do you say."mmmmmm....like....." in Spanish? She uses that to fill every mental gap and pause she makes in her attempts to even speak English...Mr Evenstar is a native Spanish speaker who often speaks English more properly than his British born Mrs, so proficiency in a second language can be attained, but it requires far too much hard work for someone as idle as Muffy.  Learning a language doesn't fit the Duggar ethos of the monkey see monkey do Duggar DIY. I'm wondering if she thought she'd be an expert in a couple of hours.

He was surprised that I would choose to dumb down my English as not to appear stuck up to others, and wonders why I'd use words like ain't  and fixin to and double negatives like "I don't want none".  I told him when o e has spent 49 oo 50 years of one's life in Texas and 18 years growing up in East Texas, that's just how people talk, even educated people...we won't write like that, but social situations are permissible.  I understand it didn't make sense to him since it took so much work on his part to learn a second language. With his heavy Spanish accent, he even tried to incorporate some Texanisms, but it just sounded so comical to both of us and he gave up because it didn't feel natural.

No doubt Muffy is realizing that her inferior home fooling edukayshun is not getting her very far in life outside the compound, but I wonder if she feels robbed in any way.   I'd be angry to realize I'd received a less than stellar education and embarrassed as hell about it.

[MunichNark]

Ah but then, one can learn. Now being a non-native English speaker myself, I did go to a lot of trouble to learn. Now you wouldn't be ableto distinguish me from a native speaker at all, in fact, most of the time, I speak the lingo far more properly than the natives. AND I have an Irish accent to boost:-)))

No reason at all to not better yourself, accents aren't everybody's cup of tea, I'm lucky in that respect, but speaking can be learnt.

Spanish is so easy, there is quite simply no excuse to not speak a bit - now French is a different story, or Irish or whatever. What the hell does Derick do all day if he still can't speak even a few sentences??

Jill is a lazy slovenly slattern (TM), and no matter what she grew up with, she could inform and educate herself. Living in filth is just disgusting. Untidiness is one things, being dirty another.

Ma and Pa Duggar really did a good job, didn't they? One son a child abuser, two girls who don't know how to keep house or educate themselves. a bunch of unruly wee ones, way too many boys of teenage years who don't know what to do with themselves and one girl who is now in her mid-20s who has to run the place.

[Arwen Evenstar]

3 hours ago, MunichNark said:

 

Jill is a lazy slovenly slattern (TM), and no matter what she grew up with, she could inform and educate herself. Living in filth is just disgusting. Untidiness is one things, being dirty another.

Ma and Pa Duggar really did a good job, didn't they? One son a child abuser, two girls who don't know how to keep house or educate themselves. a bunch of unruly wee ones, way too many boys of teenage years who don't know what to do with themselves and one girl who is now in her mid-20s who has to run the place.

Munich Nark,,

You so articulately summed up how well the Duggar's social experiment worked...an epic fail all around.  For a cult so obsessed with women being home makers and mothers, it boggles my mind as to why the slovenly slattern housekeeping, poor personal hygiene, and posting pictures of a filthy, grubby baby.  You would have thought they'd get that part right. Untidiness and clutter can at least be excusable as long as long as surfaces, floors, and  bathroom fixtures, and bodies are CLEAN.

i guess cleaning house wasn't Muffy's or Princess Prickly Pear's jurisdiction.  

[Arwen Evenstar]

Something just occurred to me...I'm wondering if Muffy and Blessa actually understand that the weights posted on the boxes of diapers are the weight of the baby, not the load limit on the diaper contents themselves....?

[toodles]

On 4/23/2016 at 6:15 PM, louannems said:

 

I'm not replying to another post.  For some reason my Kindle is wonky today.  

You would think that people who spend as much time on pinterest as these people do would get a clue about housekeeping since it's a big topic.  Cleaning and organization are some of my favorite posts.  I can't deal with clutter and chaos myself.  But considering the way they were raised, they may not know anything else.  I guess their pinterest interests are limited to weddings, pithy quotes and what to do with mason jars.  

[NewDigs]

13 minutes ago, toodles said:

I'm not replying to another post.  For some reason my Kindle is wonky today.  

You would think that people who spend as much time on pinterest as these people do would get a clue about housekeeping since it's a big topic.  Cleaning and organization are some of my favorite posts.  I can't deal with clutter and chaos myself.  But considering the way they were raised, they may not know anything else.  I guess their pinterest interests are limited to weddings, pithy quotes and what to do with mason jars.  

Or you'd think they could see that people are actually profiting from their interests and crafts etc. and try their hand at something.

Hey, I can dream.

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, toodles said:

I'm not replying to another post.  For some reason my Kindle is wonky today.  

You would think that people who spend as much time on pinterest as these people do would get a clue about housekeeping since it's a big topic.  Cleaning and organization are some of my favorite posts.  I can't deal with clutter and chaos myself.  But considering the way they were raised, they may not know anything else.  I guess their pinterest interests are limited to weddings, pithy quotes and what to do with mason jars.  

Clutter and chaos are different animals entirely from filth...the Duggars are filthy beggars....

Not sure I'd call any of their quotes "pithy" since being pithy usually requires a higher level of intellect...judgmental quotes, now that's more their speed.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar

[88Keys]

On May 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Almost 3000 said:

Its a Bumbo floor chair:

http://www.amazon.com/Bumbo-B10056-Floor-Seat-Blue/dp/B0092NNQ98?ie=UTF8&keywords=baby%20chair&qid=1463071199&ref_=sr_1_3_a_it&sr=8-3

Edited to note its to be used on floor and not a raised surface like a plastic chair plus its has a recommended waist restraint which of course isn't being used. Its also noted to be easily cleanable...

They don't all have waist straps.  I have one that does and one that doesn't.  It's actually kind of hard to get kids in and out of them because they're made to be snug around the legs.

On May 12, 2016 at 0:39 PM, Absolom said:

Izzy is far too old for a Bumbo and especially one used improperly.  Bumbo is intended for just about to sit up on their own infants.  It is not intended to be a booster seat or high chair replacement.

They can be used as a high chair- Bumbo makes a little tray that snaps onto the front so you can place food on it.  My daughter used to eat in hers because she was a little too small for the regular high chair.

And can we maybe stop saying things like "Jill probably leaves him in there all day so he's restrained?"  There's really no evidence of that.  

[Absolom]

They are still supposed to stay on the floor and never put in another chair.  The little trays are more for toys than for food.  Most children out grow them very quickly usually by six months. Bumbo added the seat belts due to lawsuits from people who used them improperly just as Jill was using that one improperly.  The weight limit is 22 pounds and Izzie more than likely exceeds it.

[riverblue22]

I'm sure Izzy is way more than 22 pounds.  My daughter was 22 pounds at one year and she wasn't as big as Izzie.  She didn't stand out as a giant baby, but she was in the 95th percentile.  Izzy is off the charts IMO.

[Arwen Evenstar]

17 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

I'm sure Izzy is way more than 22 pounds.  My daughter was 22 pounds at one year and she wasn't as big as Izzie.  She didn't stand out as a giant baby, but she was in the 95th percentile.  Izzy is off the charts IMO.

He's the Baby Hughey of Fundieland!

[Whyyouneedaname]

Since the Duggars have been doing "mission" work for the past several years in CA, why have they not incorporated Spanish in the curriculum at Duggar University? 

[Lemur]

11 hours ago, 88Keys said:

They don't all have waist straps.  I have one that does and one that doesn't.  It's actually kind of hard to get kids in and out of them because they're made to be snug around the legs.

They can be used as a high chair- Bumbo makes a little tray that snaps onto the front so you can place food on it.  My daughter used to eat in hers because she was a little too small for the regular high chair.

And can we maybe stop saying things like "Jill probably leaves him in there all day so he's restrained?"  There's really no evidence of that.  

Actually, the manufacturer specifically describes that particular model as a "floor seat", because they're supposed to be used on the floor.  They also have the following warning posted on their site and on all retailers sites:

Warning — to prevent falls:

*Never use on a raised surface

*Always stay with and watch your baby

See, there is no way to secure the chair itself to another, higher chair as that picture clearly shows.  They also make a "multi-seat" that can double as a high chair as it has the proper straps for securing it to a chair.  

[JoanArc]

1 hour ago, Whyyouneedaname said:

Since the Duggars have been doing "mission" work for the past several years in CA, why have they not incorporated Spanish in the curriculum at Duggar University? 

They did, remember Marge's mom?

[Vaysh]

I think Jill was the only one who took any actual Spanish lessons with Marge's mom. TLC made a big song and dance about the howlers learning Spanish at Marge's house in one episode but I'm pretty sure that was just for the cameras; they'd never been there before and were all clueless about even the simplest words. Jill also put up little stick-it notes all over the TTH with Spanish words on them so that her siblings could learn, but those were never seen again once the episode was over.

[JoanArc]

8 minutes ago, Vaysh said:

I think Jill was the only one who took any actual Spanish lessons with Marge's mom. TLC made a big song and dance about the howlers learning Spanish at Marge's house in one episode but I'm pretty sure that was just for the cameras; they'd never been there before and were all clueless about even the simplest words. Jill also put up little stick-it notes all over the TTH with Spanish words on them so that her siblings could learn, but those were never seen again once the episode was over.

I'm 100% certain it's for the cameras; you can't teach those who will not learn. I think Josiah took the lessons, too.

[Missy Vixen]

On 5/15/2016 at 6:10 AM, Arwen Evenstar said:

No doubt Muffy is realizing that her inferior home fooling edukayshun is not getting her very far in life outside the compound, but I wonder if she feels robbed in any way.   I'd be angry to realize I'd received a less than stellar education and embarrassed as hell about it.

Hiring a personal tutor is not cheap, but ignorance is pretty damn expensive, too.

It's hard to imagine that Jilly Muffin did not make quite a bit of coin off of the exploitation of her wedding and the birth of a child who's destined to change his name one minute after he turns 18. Imagine how different her life would be if she hired a retired high school teacher or a tutor to get her up to speed education-wise.

[Absolom]

Imagine if she just signed up for online education to catch up or had signed up at the local adult school or community college for remedial classes while she was waiting for Izzie.  She had so many ways she could have gotten to a better place educationally if she'd wanted to try.  She still could.

[Arwen Evenstar]

6 hours ago, Lemur said:

Actually, the manufacturer specifically describes that particular model as a "floor seat", because they're supposed to be used on the floor.  They also have the following warning posted on their site and on all retailers sites:

Warning — to prevent falls:

*Never use on a raised surface

*Always stay with and watch your baby

See, there is no way to secure the chair itself to another, higher chair as that picture clearly shows.  They also make a "multi-seat" that can double as a high chair as it has the proper straps for securing it to a chair.  

Lemur, I guess that's what happens when you "Buy used and save the difference"..used stuff usually comes without instructions...