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My guess is that Jill has an 8th grade education if that. I don’t think her GED counts for anything.

When Jill got her GED it represented a 9th grade education It's since been made harder and more reflective of a full High School education.

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14 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Holiday decorating. Are you excited? 😂

It's 16 minutes long.  There are a lot of people on youtube that have more interesting posts.  This just is so boring.  Jill needs to edit.

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13 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Holiday decorating. Are you excited? 😂

I think they went and stole the nativity set from Jedi's car lot

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Well of course you need to replace the lights on your pre lit tree - especially if someone gave you a USED one!  I did that the past few years and finally bought a new pre lit tree this year. 
And you do NOT put the extra lights on the tree AFTER putting on the ornaments!! 
(morons!)

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4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

WTF, Jill? 

Maybe Jill was thinking Oliver Twist. I'm sure she read it at the SOTDRT.

"He rose from the table; and advancing to the master, basin and spoon in hand, said: somewhat alarmed at his own temerity:

'Please, sir, I want some more.'"

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How many basic workbooks for Jill to consider the kid done with school?  Since she's never seen real education, I doubt she knows more than shoving poor Israel through the workbooks never mind comprehension of the material or whether he has the appropriate breadth and depth of material.

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8 minutes ago, Absolom said:

How many basic workbooks for Jill to consider the kid done with school?  Since she's never seen real education, I doubt she knows more than shoving poor Israel through the workbooks never mind comprehension of the material or whether he has the appropriate breadth and depth of material.

Considering in a video made Friday he didn’t recognize his name in print, numerous times.......

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1 hour ago, BradandJanet said:

Maybe Jill was thinking Oliver Twist. I'm sure she read it at the SOTDRT.

"He rose from the table; and advancing to the master, basin and spoon in hand, said: somewhat alarmed at his own temerity:

'Please, sir, I want some more.'"

Obviously you have had some education. 

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3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

When Jill got her GED it represented a 9th grade education It's since been made harder and more reflective of a full High School education.

There is a GED and a HSED...they all barely have a GED.

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3 hours ago, wilsie said:

It's 16 minutes long.  There are a lot of people on youtube that have more interesting posts.  This just is so boring.  Jill needs to edit.

Most of the YouTubers that I watch always talk about editing which apparently takes quite a bit of time. But Jill doesn’t seem to have a clue. It’s like if she films it, we will enjoy it. 

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24 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

Most of the YouTubers that I watch always talk about editing which apparently takes quite a bit of time. But Jill doesn’t seem to have a clue. It’s like if she films it, we will enjoy it. 

I forced myself to watch the first few minutes, and I didn’t enjoy one second of it.  I found it particularly sad that Israel didn’t even recognize his own name.  He’s what now, 4-years-old?  Shouldn’t he know his own name when he sees it?

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I think Israel didn’t understand that their names were on the back of the ornaments. At least I hope that was the reason he didn’t recognize his name.

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The following is one small example of the favoring of Sam over Israel when Derick was putting up the tree:

Derick: We've had this since we've been married, right?

Jill: Yeah.  Sam, are you excited?

Sam: Uh-huh.

Jill: Jay-Jay [not sure what nickname she was using for Israel here], are you excited?

Israel: Yeah.

Jill: Yes ma'am.

Israel: (Smaller voice) Yes ma'am.

If you're going to teach children to say Yes ma'am and Yes sir, you need to enforce it with all children of talking age.  And you don't get to use 'Yeah' when you immediately tell your son not to say the same thing.

Idiot.

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7 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Considering in a video made Friday he didn’t recognize his name in print, numerous times.......

😬 poor kid. My almost three year old has recognized her name in print for MONTHS!

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I think that Derick and Jill dislike and resent Israel because in their minds, he's permanently linked to their days in Central America, a period of their lives that they'd both like to forget. Jill was miserably unhappy, lonely and frightened and, no matter how much he tried to spin things, Derick must be aware that his missionary efforts were a complete failure. Now that they've re-invented themselves as Future Lawyer and Happy Homemaker, Israel represents an unhappy past, while Sam represents a fresh start. Subconsciously, they may even blame Israel for their failure as missionaries: "If we hadn't been saddled with the baby, everything would have been different". I have a terrible feeling that they've already set Israel up for a lifetime as the family scapegoat.

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9 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Considering in a video made Friday he didn’t recognize his name in print, numerous times.......

This makes me sad. The last kid I watched, she could write her name before she was 4. Had to learn it for 4 year old preschool.

7 hours ago, lilwhitelion said:

The following is one small example of the favoring of Sam over Israel when Derick was putting up the tree:

Derick: We've had this since we've been married, right?

Jill: Yeah.  Sam, are you excited?

Sam: Uh-huh.

Jill: Jay-Jay [not sure what nickname she was using for Israel here], are you excited?

Israel: Yeah.

Jill: Yes ma'am.

Israel: (Smaller voice) Yes ma'am.

Ugh! That poor kid. Why do I think that he gets scolded if he doesn't say "yes ma'am, yes sir" when not on camera? I want to steal him and give him a fun loving life!

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

Subconsciously, they may even blame Israel for their failure as missionaries: "If we hadn't been saddled with the baby, everything would have been different". I have a terrible feeling that they've already set Israel up for a lifetime as the family scapegoat.

Then don't have unprotected lotion sex. I hate them...

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2 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

I think that Derick and Jill dislike and resent Israel because in their minds, he's permanently linked to their days in Central America, a period of their lives that they'd both like to forget. Jill was miserably unhappy, lonely and frightened and, no matter how much he tried to spin things, Derick must be aware that his missionary efforts were a complete failure. Now that they've re-invented themselves as Future Lawyer and Happy Homemaker, Israel represents an unhappy past, while Sam represents a fresh start. Subconsciously, they may even blame Israel for their failure as missionaries: "If we hadn't been saddled with the baby, everything would have been different". I have a terrible feeling that they've already set Israel up for a lifetime as the family scapegoat.

I think that Jill, anyway, resents Israel and blames him for her disaster of a birth.  It was his 'fault' he was so big and that he was breech.  Had he been smaller and headfirst, Jill could've shown the world what an amazing birthing machine and midwife she is.  Instead, the story of her delivery made many question the competence of her attendants, the choice to try to deliver at home and the amount of time it took for her to go to a hospital where the situation was assessed almost immediately and the appropriate care given.

Jill seems to operate on a pretty childlike level, I can see her resenting her son because her birth experience wasn't what she wanted.  And I can see Derick being pissed that Israel cost them a bundle in hospital bills just because he was so big and so stubborn.  Neither one seems able to accept any personal responsibility for the choices they make.  It is all God's will or some evil person plotting against their blameless Christian selves.

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Previous events may have something to do with the way it appears Israel is treated. Also, Israel can speak coherently, he can offer opinions, and question things. Imagine?

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16 hours ago, judyjudyjudy said:

More turkey bites please....I think?

Agreed, but it would be more convincing if the progress of the plate contents were moving.  🤔

As for the spelling debate, one of the things I heard and always thought convincing, is that spelling is a visual art more than anything else; thus you needed to study spending your life looking at good spelling.  Looking at the torturously misspelled words of the "guess which word in this sentence is wrong and spell it correctly!" type of problems, is supposed to be deadly.  I've always thought it made a lot of sense, having seen contenders in spelling bees clearly trying to recreate words by staring off into the distance picturing it printed on thin air; writing the words out with their index fingers in the air, etc.

Forgot to mention, I think maybe this is why Derick and Jill aren't all that concerned that (if?) Izzy doesn't know how to spell his name, because they think he'll see it spelled out properly approximately eleventy billion times in the Bible before age 16.

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3 hours ago, Madtown said:

This makes me sad. The last kid I watched, she could write her name before she was 4. Had to learn it for 4 year old preschool.

My son could read his name by the time he was two. He was a very early reader though. 

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11 hours ago, Love2dance said:

I think Israel didn’t understand that their names were on the back of the ornaments. At least I hope that was the reason he didn’t recognize his name.

I agree.  Plus we don't know how legible or big  the names were written by Jill on the ornaments. I think he was confused at the footprints ornament too.  If his name was imprinted in the clay as well as the footprint, I  can see it not easily being recognized by a child.  Plus he was very excited and seemed like he wanted to get the ornaments on the tree ASAP without stopping to look for his name on them. I give him a pass. 

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10 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

My son could read his name by the time he was two. He was a very early reader though. 

My granddaughter, at 21 months, is learning to recognize her name, though I wouldn't call it "reading" it. To be fair, there are only four letters in her first name. She knows a lot of what letters correspond to an image on her flash cards, but doesn't seem to have a concept of what letters are actually for yet. If you show her the card with "Y", for instance, she will say "yo-yo", but likewise, if you show her the "D", she will say "wow-wow", which is her word for dog. Show her the "B", and she will growl like a bear. 

I'm pretty sure that all my kids could recognize their name at least by the time they were three, and maybe earlier. They could all write their names before they started kindergarten. They are all so different, though...My older son could name all the upper and lower-case letters at 18 months, but was a late, unenthusiastic reader and terrible speller, who, if he opted to read anything was more apt to chose technical manuals than novels. He is exceptionally intelligent, but still reads very little for pleasure. My daughter didn't really know her letters until she was close to three, but learned to read quite soon afterwards. My younger son had no real interest in letters, reading or writing as a child, but was somehow struck with a joy in language late in high school, and by college was always getting comments from his teachers on how well-written his papers were.

Based on the videos we have seen of Izzy's workbooks and progress, he seems to be doing just fine so far, though it is puzzling that he can sound out simple words yet still not recognize his name. Seems as though, for whatever reason, his name has not been stressed. Maybe, given that there are only two children in the household, and they are not working at the same level, there's just never really been the need for identification on papers. Or maybe there's even some sense among their ilk that stressing a name indicates too much individuality. Who knows? It does seem odd, though.

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Boy Jill has more posts on Instagram and YouTube than an episode of Counting On. Her content is about the same level of entertainment too. She has commercials just like TV too! She’s promoting Audrey Roloff’s books as well as 3130 store. 

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2 hours ago, laurakaye said:

If it's true that Jill and Dreck resent their firstborn son due to things that were obviously and completely out of his control, then that is truly heartbreaking.  Izzy seems like a sweet, mild-tempered kid who just wants to please his parents, but it seems like those two breeding morons are throwing roadblocks up to derail him at every turn. I sincerely hope Izzy's self-esteem isn't permanently damaged and that he can grow up to see the worth within himself.  Hopefully someone in that dumb family can help him, although I don't know who that would be.

I believe the same has been said about MEchelle and Boob. Tree. Apple.

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12 hours ago, Love2dance said:

I think Israel didn’t understand that their names were on the back of the ornaments. At least I hope that was the reason he didn’t recognize his name.

Jill told him to turn it over to see whose it was.  He did, his name was there, but he didn’t recognize it as his name.  Jill has no business homeschooling those boys, and surely Derrick knows that!

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8 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Jill told him to turn it over to see whose it was.  He did, his name was there, but he didn’t recognize it as his name.  Jill has no business homeschooling those boys, and surely Derrick knows that!

Yes and his name was written clearly and with a Sharpie.  I was surprised he couldn't recognize his own name given that he completed kindergarten three years ago!

Their fake Christmas tree was so funny looking.  It had big gaps of missing branches. My husband and I had our share of pathetic Charlie Brown trees in our early marriage so I'm not snarking on the tree.  Plus it was given to them used.

That video was way too long but it did the trick in putting m to sleep.  I slept great for once.

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1 hour ago, ozziemom said:

Boy Jill has more posts on Instagram and YouTube than an episode of Counting On. Her content is about the same level of entertainment too. She has commercials just like TV too! She’s promoting Audrey Roloff’s books as well as 3130 store. 

Counting on: Jill Duggar I don’t need you TLC!

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14 minutes ago, MichaelaRae said:

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As much as I want to know all of the dirt, I do feel bad for Jill. This could be the end of what little relationship she has with her family.

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8 minutes ago, SMama said:

I’m surprised he’s so bold about his plan. JB is going to like him even more now. Maybe part of Derick’s assholery (real term 😊) comes from his perceived mistreatment of Jill. And he is right about that.
 

I never bought that Derick and Ben were informed before the whole thing blew up. On that last big interview for 19K, Ben looked pissed, and allegedly at that time they knew Volderjoshgate 1 was about to be exposed. And maybe Derick used his surgery as an excuse to not participate.

Derick is a smug jerk with horrible beliefs. But if he sheds light on the abuse JB and Michelle have perpetrated, and Jill finally gets money she worked for, fine by me.

As long as that is what Jill wants.

Jill might be both asked and currently prepared to contribute; which would explain the estrangement.  After all, I don't think it'll be much of a book if she doesn't chime in, Derick is clearly not proposing to write an autobiography of himself, as apart from the Duggars and the death of his father he doesn't really have much to talk about.  A pamphlet exposing the Duggar family?

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Is he really planning to write a Duggar family exposé, though, or just some festival of arrogance autobiography at the ripe old age of thirty?

ETA: Queenanne and I simul-posted! But I could see Derick deciding his godliness and work in Nepal would make a book...and I can also see him hinting that the book will have “Duggar secrets” that’ll turn out to be recipes involving canned soup and tater tots.

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The person he responded to said you know there’s some crazy in that family. I doubt Derick is willing to write about the crazy in his family.

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1 hour ago, Barb23 said:

Sorry folks but all this talk about saying Izzy is behind  because he wasn't able to recognize his name on one or two Christmas ornaments is not fair. 

It is fair when both Jill and Dreck brag about how advanced he is in his homeschooling.   I don't think people are shaming the kid but moreso his parents for the lack of education he's getting.

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There may be a book, but not a tell-all.  

Probably about as interesting as the one the girls "wrote". 

Just my 2 cents.  

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5 hours ago, SMama said:

I’m surprised he’s so bold about his plan. JB is going to like him even more now. Maybe part of Derick’s assholery (real term 😊) comes from his perceived mistreatment of Jill. And he is right about that.
 

I never bought that Derick and Ben were informed before the whole thing blew up. On that last big interview for 19K, Ben looked pissed, and allegedly at that time they knew Volderjoshgate 1 was about to be exposed. And maybe Derick used his surgery as an excuse to not participate.

Derick is a smug jerk with horrible beliefs. But if he sheds light on the abuse JB and Michelle have perpetrated, and Jill finally gets money she worked for, fine by me.

As long as that is what Jill wants.

Jill has been doing some studying on her own over the last year.  She will occasionally show the book she is reading or podcast she is listening to on her Instagram stories.  These titles all have one overarching theme--becoming a happy adult after an emotionally stunted childhood.  I would not be surprised to find out that she is seeing a liked-minded Christian therapist.  There is no way to know if Jill made this decision or if Derick pushed her into it, but she is trying to help herself which is more than what any of her other adult siblings has done.  I would also never announce to the world that I was in therapy, so Jill may be keeping this on the DL.

I have always thought that Derick was unaware of Josh's real crimes.  As much of an asshole as he is, I have never doubted that he does care for Jill.  His ire seems to be placed on the real culprit--JB and Josh.  

I don't think we will ever know what Jill actually wants.  But, she can easily use Derick as a scapegoat with her family.  Jill may want to have zero contact with her parents or Josh and she can use her "headship" as a reasonable excuse.  This way she can still get together with her other siblings at her house where she can set her own boundaries.  

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3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Is he really planning to write a Duggar family exposé, though, or just some festival of arrogance autobiography at the ripe old age of thirty?

Well, there's really no point in my prognosticating this far ahead, but Derick has been to real school, and read/used biographies in term papers, he must know what they're like.  He also must know that he's done next to nothing with his life to date that could fill material; as well as how long standard published books run.  I don't see him wanting to do it as a 30-page essay or something on Patreon for a tip jar either; I think he wants big money.

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While I'd be interested in any revelations from this book that Derick seems to be outlining during his breaks, I'll settle for a leaked online copy or reviews. I wouldn't give him a dime. 

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I don't necessarily have an issue with Israel not being able to recognize his name at 4 1/2, even though they posted a video about 6 months ago showing him reading. Part of the reason kids learn to recognize their names so young is because they're in daycare, preschool, and other children's group activities. Israel doesn't do these and it may not have occurred to Jill to teach him how to write his name since doesn't have to put it on his papers.

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