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A reminder from the Announcements:

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...though the Duggars are constantly bringing up politically charged issues, political discussion is not allowed at Previously.tv, unless it directly relates to episode content. It's very tempting to use their constant social media posts as a jumping off point for discussion of our own beliefs, or to bring up what politicians are saying or doing or not doing about an issue, either in seriousness or in jest, but that's against the site rules. Please, resist!

It seems we're creeping back. As much as we would all love to harangue one another about current events and differing attitudes about said events, using the social media of the Duggars and adjacents to spark that discussion here is violating the spirit of the no politics rule.

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My fellow mod left a mod note less than 24 hours ago, reminding everyone here about the political rules of this forum. And yet, discussion continued of Cathy's views, and included poster opinions. All of those posts have now been removed, so you're seeing 2 mod notes in a row. 

I know it's hard, when the Duggars are so political, and say such charged things about current events. We don't want to ban discussion of their social media. It's hard, we know, not to cross the line into discussion of politics generally. But when you talk about how their opinions on politics vary from your own, that's political discussion, and it's not allowed. When you talk about how their beliefs contradict law, or the politics of your country, or bring up political or current events that demonstrate your point, that's political discussion too, and it's not allowed. It starts too many fights, it makes people here feel uncomfortable or excluded, and the site owners have decided it's not allowed. 

If you're looking at your post and thinking "this might be too political", it probably is. There are many, many places on the internet to discuss politics, including what you think about the political beliefs of people on TV. This is not one of them. 

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54 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

Do tell, please.

It's regarding his favorite hot-button political issue, so we can't discuss it here. I think you can make an educated guess as to the subject matter.

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19 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

It's regarding his favorite hot-button political issue, so we can't discuss it here. I think you can make an educated guess as to the subject matter.

Ah, thanks.  I don't have access to his Twitter, but do LOVE to know when he does his downward spirals.  :-)

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I had a feeling that was the one. I do thank you for your honesty. It’s easy to deflect and ignore. But it looks when told the plain truth little boy Derick can’t handle it. He should feel guilty, ashamed, but he is too damn holier than thou to feel anything but self righteousness.

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Ok, won’t talk about his latest tweets, but his tweet from yesterday about the Ides of March is more proof of his ignorance. He does realize that it’s a soothsayer that speaks that warning to Caesar, does he not?  Or do you think Derick’s phenomenal education didn’t include Shakespeare?

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Just now, irisheyes said:

Ok, won’t talk about his latest tweets, but his tweet from yesterday about the Ides of March is more proof of his ignorance. He does realize that it’s a soothsayer that speaks that warning to Caesar, does he not?  Or do you think Derick’s phenomenal education didn’t include Shakespeare?

Doubtful Shakespeare is Cathy approved.  Who did he think warned Caesar?

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2 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

Ok, won’t talk about his latest tweets, but his tweet from yesterday about the Ides of March is more proof of his ignorance. He does realize that it’s a soothsayer that speaks that warning to Caesar, does he not?  Or do you think Derick’s phenomenal education didn’t include Shakespeare?

He'd have to be able to understand Shakespeare first, that, I am doubtful of. 

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Sadly, Iz and Sam will never get to read any of the great classics (except, possibly, Pilgrim’s Progress) with Jill as their teacher. While I didn’t love reading many of them in school, it gives you a cultural knowledge that the Duggars seriously lack. 

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Too bad we don't have a section for social media here.  Then perhaps folks could do screen grabs of these people's instagram and tweets - for the massive amount of our blocked folks.  

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1 hour ago, Loves2Dance said:

Not yet. 

And he finally blocked me. 

I wish I knew your Twitter name.  There was one comment made that deserved a gold medal. ? It was pure awesomeness.

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2 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

Too bad we don't have a section for social media here.  Then perhaps folks could do screen grabs of these people's instagram and tweets - for the massive amount of our blocked folks.  

If you log out of your twitter account, you can still read all of it. 

It dawned on me afterwards that, while this is off topic, that is what makes social media bullying so hard. Even though my account is blocked, my IP isn't. So I could just make a new account with a free e-mail address and go to town. I won't, because I like things in moderation, but it brings the constant bullying on social media into a better view for me. I have young kids and please ignore this tangent. 

2 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

I wish I knew your Twitter name.  There was one comment made that deserved a gold medal. ? It was pure awesomeness.

If it was a generally standard first name followed by a ton of numbers, that was me. It was a total troll account. 

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I don't have access to his Twitter

You don't have to do anything to have access to Twitter.  It's just website.  Unless the account is private, anyone can see it.   You have to be "on" Twitter in order to post on Twitter, or use the app. 

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3 minutes ago, Loves2Dance said:

If you log out of your twitter account, you can still read all of it. 

It dawned on me afterwards that, while this is off topic, that is what makes social media bullying so hard. Even though my account is blocked, my IP isn't. So I could just make a new account with a free e-mail address and go to town. I won't, because I like things in moderation, but it brings the constant bullying on social media into a better view for me. I have young kids and please ignore this tangent. 

If it was a generally standard first name followed by a ton of numbers, that was me. It was a total troll account. 

That’s the one, and you get the medal.  It obviously made Dumbass squirm, which is the most you can hope for with that lame brain. ?

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Another tweeted that Easter isn't on the same day every year, insinuating that it would remain constant if the calendar was based on Jesus.

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No Super Enabler Mommy to the rescue yet. Is this a record? 

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4 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Another tweeted that Easter isn't on the same day every year, insuating that it would remain constant if the calendar was based on Jesus.

That's true.  Easter is the first Sunday, after the first Full Moon after the Spring Equinox.  So Equinox, then a full moon, then the next Sunday is Easter.  

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10 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Another tweeted that Easter isn't on the same day every year, insinuating that it would remain constant if the calendar was based on Jesus.

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In a discussion about abortion, Derick begins to ramble on about Jesus being a virgin and that the calendar system is based on Jesus' life.  He puts these unrelated thoughts in the same sentence:

"Pretty sure Jesus Christ was a virgin his whole life, and the western world bases its calendar system on the man's life. And while we’re talking about moot points..."

Again, what he posted has nothing to do with abortion, which is the topic at hand. 

Derick is having some kind of mental breakdown and is displaying schizophrenic thought disorder.  "The patient may wander from one subject to another, apparently with little purpose other than social contact.  In schizophrenic thought disorder the logical sequence of ideas may break down so that consecutive sentences are unconnected; a single sentence may contain two unrelated elements."

Schizophrenia is a type of thought disorder that manifests in a breakdown in logical thinking.  Schizophrenics exhibit constant and extreme tangentiality (the tendency to speak about topics unrelated to the main topic of discussion).

"People experiencing mental health conditions may be so focused on their own internal dialogue that they are unable to focus on conversation or questions; in some cases, their internal dialogues may prevent them from understanding conversation.

"Common symptoms of thought disorders include:

1. Rapid, incoherent, or illogical speech;

2. Frequent interruptions in a person’s train of thought;

3. Extremely tangential speech patterns, during which a person rapidly discusses several apparently unrelated topics;

4. Inability to follow a logical train of thought or to clearly tell a story or convey an idea."

He is not a joke anymore.  He needs some serious medical help.  

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14 minutes ago, Mollie said:

In a discussion about abortion, Derick begins to ramble on about Jesus being a virgin and that the calendar system is based on Jesus' life.  He puts these unrelated thoughts in the same sentence:

"Pretty sure Jesus Christ was a virgin his whole life, and the western world bases its calendar system on the man's life. And while we’re talking about moot points..."

Again, what he posted has nothing to do with abortion, which is the topic at hand. 

Derick is having some kind of mental breakdown and is displaying schizophrenic thought disorder.  "The patient may wander from one subject to another, apparently with little purpose other than social contact.  In schizophrenic thought disorder the logical sequence of ideas may break down so that consecutive sentences are unconnected; a single sentence may contain two unrelated elements."

Schizophrenia is a type of thought disorder that manifests in a breakdown in logical thinking.  Schizophrenics exhibit constant and extreme tangentiality (the tendency to speak about topics unrelated to the main topic of discussion).

"People experiencing mental health conditions may be so focused on their own internal dialogue that they are unable to focus on conversation or questions; in some cases, their internal dialogues may prevent them from understanding conversation.

"Common symptoms of thought disorders include:

1. Rapid, incoherent, or illogical speech;

2. Frequent interruptions in a person’s train of thought;

3. Extremely tangential speech patterns, during which a person rapidly discusses several apparently unrelated topics;

4. Inability to follow a logical train of thought or to clearly tell a story or convey an idea."

He is not a joke anymore.  He needs some serious medical help.  

This is a really interesting thought. I am not a psychiatrist, or a doctor, and have never met Derick, and being unhinged on social media is not necessarily a symptom of mental illness, but . . .

Schizophrenia doesn't hit until adolescence or early 20s in men -- Derick's a bit old, but not completely out of range.

Cathy was adopted and her familial health history is unknown. If I recall correctly, her biological mother wanted nothing to do with her when Cathy finally tracked her down.

It's a stretch, but not impossible that Derick seemed relatively normal when he first appeared because he was. He may appear to be coming unglued mentally because he is coming unglued mentally.

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Could you imagine him as your co-worker nattering in your ear all day? I'd demand a transfer to another department.

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1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

Could you imagine him as your co-worker nattering in your ear all day? I'd demand a transfer to another department.

I wonder if he's substitute teaching again? That would be work and he'd get to be the big authority that would go unchallenged by disinterested kids.

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Dear Derick get yourself some mental help ASAP.

OR get a real job because it's very evident that being on Twitter all day is not good for your mental health or anyone else's for that matter.

I simply don't understand why you are wasting your life away when your mom actually allowed you to get a real education? I am starting to get concerned for Jill because she can't get away from the life her father set up for her. 

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I wonder if he has some serious health issues besides a possible mental illness. Sometimes symptoms of a mental illness can actually be symptoms of a undiagnosed health issue. When was the last time Jill and/or Derick had a complete checkup with blood tests, mental health evaluation etc. etc. etc. I also wonder if Jill ever had her thyroid levels check. When a person is under a lot of stress or burned out, their thyroid levels can go wacky (yes, I speak from experience.) Jesus may be sending Derick and Jill a serious message about their mental and physical health, but they are not receiving it, or wanting to do something about it. Right now I feel like absolutely crap. I know my mind and body are sending me messages something is off aka anxiety and/or hyperthyroid/hypothyroid symptoms. Should I wait until Jesus tries to cure me and pray my symptoms away and read the bible like Derick and Jill would do? No I call the doctor and patiently wait to hear if I need to go in for a blood test or make an appointment before I end up at Urgent Care or the ER. Common sense is the name of the game.

In the case of Jill, she is another one of his enabler. She does not know any better. She has her own issues she needs treatment for, but she is not doing herself, Derick, and their children any favors for not seeking help either. Two parents with possible serious health and/or mental health issues. Sad all around for everyone especially Izzy and Sammy.

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Derick probably means that time is marked using the date of Jesus' death. As in, it's been 2,018 years since Jesus. Remember A.D. (Anno Domini, or "in the year of our Lord") and B.C. were widely used before B. C.E. ("Before Common Era") began being used more often. That's probably what he's referring to, albeit inarticulately.

To stay on topic of the show...I can't believe how much I used to like Cathy's appearances. I still think Jill calling her "Mom" and being affectionate with her says a lot about Jill's acceptance of her in-laws, when she could have easily given her own family more precedence.

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1 minute ago, EarlGreyTea said:

Derick probably means that time is marked using the date of Jesus' death. As in, it's been 2,018 years since Jesus. Remember A.D. (Anno Domini, or "in the year of our Lord") and B.C. were widely used before B. C.E. ("Before Common Era") began being used more often. That's probably what he's referring to, albeit inarticulately.

I the church I grew up in they taught BC meant “before Christ” and AD meant “after death” as in after Jesus’s death. I wish I was joking. I wouldn’t be surprised at all of that is what Derick and the Duggars actually believe. Even if you try and point it out to them they’ll try and spin it that it still coincides with Jesus. 

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2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Could you imagine him as your co-worker nattering in your ear all day? I'd demand a transfer to another department.

Wasn't there someone who worked with Derick in Walmart that claimed he had problems with the clothing of female staff?

Apparently he natters about a variety of topics. 

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9 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

How long before Jill posts on Instagram a picture of Sam/Iz or a #besthubbyever post?

I'm betting on the kids with a pro-life message. Of course, hashtagged #besthubbyever #bestpapaever

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20 minutes ago, Marigold said:

Wasn't there someone who worked with Derick in Walmart that claimed he had problems with the clothing of female staff?

Apparently he natters about a variety of topics. 

Back in the dark ages - like 30 years ago, I had a co-worker that was similar to Derick - he didn't believe that women should work, totally fundie, etc.  I came to work, through the back door, in my jacket with buttons - including ERA, Against abortion-don't have one, Isis, Pagan and proud, etc, etc.  It drove him crazy.  LOL

My co-workers liked that I took the heat and he ignored them.

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On 3/13/2018 at 12:32 AM, Zuleikha said:

Does anyone know why Jill doesn't get actual, real training? Is it that she can't do it with a Quiverful-acceptable competent midwife? If she's going to keep attending births, it would seem like she'd want to be able to do the basics! It also would be an acceptable way for her to bring in income (that her family clearly needs!)

She went to fundie school aka Duggar school. 

On 3/13/2018 at 12:32 AM, Zuleikha said:

Does anyone know why Jill doesn't get actual, real training? Is it that she can't do it with a Quiverful-acceptable competent midwife? If she's going to keep attending births, it would seem like she'd want to be able to do the basics! It also would be an acceptable way for her to bring in income (that her family clearly needs!)

She went to fundie school aka Duggar school. 

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