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7 hours ago, Tigregirl said:

I would love to know what Boob and Mullet are telling the Lost Girls and Howlers still living at home about why Smuggar is in trouble.  I’m sure it’s very warped and all about satan leading Josh astray but they’ll all pray he finds Jesus again. 

meanwhile Jana is repurposing Justin's banner.....

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16 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Did Anna know what Josh was being investigated for when she got pregnant with baby #7??

Chances are she knew nothing. Josh knew. JB knew almost certainly. Beyond that, it's highly doubtful that anyone knew any specifics. And Anna doesn't necessarily choose to get pregnant either. I also doubt she knows the specifics now.

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Some media outlet that I can't recall, ran a brief story on the Change.org petition to get the Duggars off TLC.

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56 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

meanwhile Jana is repurposing Justin's banner.....

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Barf!

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I understand the thread is moving very quickly as information becomes available, I am also aware that this topic can bring up strong emotions- however off topic posts belong in the Small Talk thread. If you wish to share an anecdotal story that is not primarily about Josh/Anna & the Duggars, please quote the poster you are replying to and state "taking my reply to small talk (or another appropriate thread)".

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11 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

That banner isn’t real, right? Please?

No it’s not real. Someone just made it as a joke.

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3 minutes ago, FizzyPuff said:

No it’s not real. Someone just made it as a joke.

Thank you. 

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9 minutes ago, FizzyPuff said:
20 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

That banner isn’t real, right? Please?

No it’s not real. Someone just made it as a joke.

It's crazy to realize that the Duggars are so cultish that few of us would be surprised if the banner was real.

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3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

As a headship, he's supposed to financially support his family. I don't know what kind of diligent work (® Anna) he's been doing since the car lot was shut down.

He's been diligently looking for ways to scratch his CP itch, and, most likely, in a pinch, any porn will do. More than likely also diligently continuing to seek alternative female companionship on the sly. The last thing he's interested in is supporting his family, and probably the only job he could get at this point would be as an "actor" in adult films. A real credit to his family....Diligent worker all right! 

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If they had a critical thinking bone in their body they would say hey maybe the way we’ve handled things into working    But they don’t. And a lot are going to suffer for their arrogance 

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14 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

I think the purpose of the receiving law is to be able to punish people who gather these images and send them along to others, but don’t actually keep them on their computers? It’s probably harder to make a case for possession if something is only in your custody for a very short time and then you delete it? 

Possession is having it on your computer.  Receiving means they can show you possessed it (aka via email, file share, direct download).  That's how my AUSA explained it to me.  Possession is one thing, showing that you were actively seeking it out is another.  I can tell you that feds always want receiving over mere possession. 

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58 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

That banner isn’t real, right? Please?

not real - I just did a quick adjustment to the one that said Justin and had his picture. I don't think we ever found out why they had a banner about praying for justin. It was pictured when he had his wisdom teeth out. Claire stated it was not made for that event, but for something before that.

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1 hour ago, NoThyme said:

TLC is counting on a ratings boost from all of this. People will tune in to see how everyone acts, who is in the show etc. I haven't watched the show except for the Megyn interview and a few minutes here and there. I have done some reading about Gothard and their family as well as this board. I find their entire religion to be one very sick cult and the ratings is what keeps them on TV. If you are truly disgusted by Josh and the family you shouldn't watch the show anymore, no more ratings. 

The only people who count ratings wise are those the Nielsen company monitors. I have personal experience with this. Nielsen selects tv viewing families (one family per 1500 households approximately) and puts a box on their tv to monitor what they watch. Families who sign up receive small checks every few months and keep the box for two years. Most people couldn't be bothered. A Nielsen rep told me 95% of households approached for this turn them down. So a select group of Americans are the only ones determining ratings that end up affecting what everyone watches on commercial tv. So just hope that current Nielsen families have no interest in the Duggars. That's how Counting On will be cancelled. 

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Won't Josh be able to spend as many hours per day as he wants at the shed on his car lot, "working?" He has full internet access there. Plus Anna and the children can spend the days there too as he has unlimited access to them?

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13 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Just bringing this forward from December for those who want to see some of the windowless warehouse where Anna and the kids live.

It looks okay as far as amenities and cleanliness/tidiness in the pictures.  Of course that's only within the narrow boundaries of photographs.   Wide view would reveal the lack of windows detail which would be a big nope for anybody with options.   

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6 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Possession is having it on your computer.  Receiving means they can show you possessed it (aka via email, file share, direct download).  That's how my AUSA explained it to me.  Possession is one thing, showing that you were actively seeking it out is another.  I can tell you that feds always want receiving over mere possession. 

I would assume they want receiving over possession because it appears that receiving has a minimum sentence requirement while possession does not. Also I would imagine it’s harder for the suspect to claim it isn’t theirs if they can show how it got onto the computer/phone etc. 

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Just now, winsomeone said:

Won't Josh be able to spend as many hours per day as he wants at the shed on his car lot, "working?" He has full internet access there. Plus Anna and the children can spend the days there too as he has unlimited access to them?

that car lot is permanently closed. He can't work for Jed at the other lot either because Jed would have a computer and internet access

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12 minutes ago, Hpmec said:

The only people who count ratings wise are those the Nielsen company monitors. I have personal experience with this. Nielsen selects tv viewing families (one family per 1500 households approximately) and puts a box on their tv to monitor what they watch. Families who sign up receive small checks every few months and keep the box for two years. Most people couldn't be bothered. A Nielsen rep told me 95% of households approached for this turn them down. So a select group of Americans are the only ones determining ratings that end up affecting what everyone watches on commercial tv. So just hope that current Nielsen families have no interest in the Duggars. That's how Counting On will be cancelled. 

Taking my reply to Small Talk.

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I don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but this thread has been moving so fast I may have missed it or have some details wrong. 


There was mention of a MacBook found in Josh’s car that did not have any questionable materials on it, and discussion about the fact that the Mac software does not lend itself to the same procedures he performed on the pc in the office.

But, isn’t it possible he downloaded some of his favorite files on to thumb drives and stashed them somewhere for easy access when he was not at work?  I know the feds did a search but thumb drives are small and easy to hide.  I could totally see that happening.  

 

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4 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but this thread has been moving so fast I may have missed it or have some details wrong. 


There was mention of a MacBook found in Josh’s car that did not have any questionable materials on it, and discussion about the fact that the Mac software does not lend itself to the same procedures he performed on the pc in the office.

But, isn’t it possible he downloaded some of his favorite files on to thumb drives and stashed them somewhere for easy access when he was not at work?  I know the feds did a search but thumb drives are small and easy to hide.  I could totally see that happening.  

 

Thinking forensics could see if he exported files onto portable drives maybe? The MacBook wasn't partitioned and didn't have images however they used the MacBook and the phone (there were linked to each other)  to tie his location (text messages et cetera)  to the timing of the downloads on the HP.  

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I have a question. If there were no minor children living in Josh/Anna’s home, would he have been allowed to go back home upon release or would he still have been forced to live with  3rd party custodian?  Thx. 

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15 minutes ago, Namaste said:

I have a question. If there were no minor children living in Josh/Anna’s home, would he have been allowed to go back home upon release or would he still have been forced to live with  3rd party custodian?  Thx. 

Not sure. Probably if his home was not on the property where there are minors.

Interestingly the actual court order does not specify that Anna must be present when he's with his children. It says he must be "supervised" but doesn't say by whom.

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54 minutes ago, Namaste said:

I have a question. If there were no minor children living in Josh/Anna’s home, would he have been allowed to go back home upon release or would he still have been forced to live with  3rd party custodian?  Thx. 

I don't think so because the warehouse is on TTH property and there's still swarms of minors everywhere.

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I know around here there’s a rule that sex offenders can’t live within so many feet of a school/playground/day care, etc. I wonder if the compound would be considered in a similar way just because of how many minors are on it? 
 

i absolutely think Anna has been brainwashed for years, and I know what it’s like to be an abused wife, so I do have some sympathy.

That said, both my grandmother and I got out when our then- spouses went after our kid. If Anna won’t get out, having seen that Josh doesn’t have the familial boundaries that some molesters seem to have, I would think she’s incapable of protecting them, and would hope the children would be placed with someone else. Not JB and Michelle, since they’re clearly incapable of protecting their kids, but maybe Jill, JD, etc

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I don’t think any of Josh’s victims should be expected to care for his children.  Of course his kids are innocent in all of this but that is just asking too much.

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2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Not sure. Probably if his home was not on the property where there are minors.

Interestingly the actual court order does not specify that Anna must be present when he's with his children. It says he must be "supervised" but doesn't say by whom.

It will be Anna. Who else would pile up all her kids and make the drive out to the Rebers' place? Certainly not Mechelle. I doubt Jana wants anything to do with him. Who else is there?

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Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

It will be Anna. Who else would pile up all her kids and make the drive out to the Rebers' place? Certainly not Mechelle. I doubt Jana wants anything to do with him. Who else is there?

Laura?

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1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It will be Anna. Who else would pile up all her kids and make the drive out to the Rebers' place? Certainly not Mechelle. I doubt Jana wants anything to do with him. Who else is there?

Unfortunately I could see Jana wanting to go to protect the kids. And then there's always the chance that JB just drops them at the steps of poor Mrs. Reber and asks her to "supervise." 

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Just now, Tuxcat said:

Unfortunately I could see Jana wanting to go to protect the kids. And then there's always the chance that JB just drops them at the steps of poor Mrs. Reber and asks her to "supervise." 

@Zella, I know you have looked up the Reber property. How far are they from the TTH? I ask because I don't think that they're in a "drop off" distance. But I've been wrong before. 😁

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10 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

@Zella, I know you have looked up the Reber property. How far are they from the TTH? I ask because I don't think that they're in a "drop off" distance. But I've been wrong before. 😁

If the house is actually in the Goshen area like I suspect based on the property records and voter registration, it wouldn't be convenient at all. It would be a good 30 minutes away, and it wouldn't be on the way to anything. You have to drive out of Tontitown and then into Springdale and Fayetteville and then actually leave Fayetteville. Goshen is more convenient to Fayetteville than Springdale/Tontitown is. 

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1 hour ago, libgirl2 said:

Let Anna's family do it..... they sold her to him to begin with. 

I was about to say that. The Duggar siblings have put up with enough.

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40 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Unfortunately I could see Jana wanting to go to protect the kids. And then there's always the chance that JB just drops them at the steps of poor Mrs. Reber and asks her to "supervise." 

I think if any of the rumors that Anna was blindsided and is very upset are true, then JB will show up and force her and the kids into the car for visits. 

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Just now, 3girlsforus said:

I think if any of the rumors that Anna was blindsided and is very upset are true, then JB will show up and force her and the kids into the car for visits. 

I don't think Anna would need to be forced. I'm convinced that she thinks Smuggar is innocent/framed/whatever. 🙄

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If the Duggar kids were so sheltered, monitored, how did Josh get all this knowledge about dark web, CP and all this things? How did he even know where and how to start?

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12 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

If the Duggar kids were so sheltered, monitored, how did Josh get all this knowledge about dark web, CP and all this things? How did he even know where and how to start?

Their law enforcement friend that gave him the "stern talking to" that is now in jail?

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17 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

If the Duggar kids were so sheltered, monitored, how did Josh get all this knowledge about dark web, CP and all this things? How did he even know where and how to start?

Do we have a timeline for when this was likely to have happened?  Because once Josh moved out of the parents house - compound -  (wasn't he in Washington until he screwed up re: Ashley Madison?) he would have had unfettered access to the Internet.  

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8 minutes ago, Lurk said:

Their law enforcement friend that gave him the "stern talking to" that is now in jail?

Yes he got a LONG sentence

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9 minutes ago, Lurk said:

Their law enforcement friend that gave him the "stern talking to" that is now in jail?

I wonder about that guy. Did he discourage or encourage him? Also, wasn't he friend with a guy who sexually abuse a young girl? That guy might also be someone who gave him tips.

I guess finding out about the dark web is not that hard. I found out this week by following this stuff. I'm sure you can find out how to access it in the normal web. However, I dont' know how they find the content but that may be not too hard to find. 

 

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24 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

If the Duggar kids were so sheltered, monitored, how did Josh get all this knowledge about dark web, CP and all this things? How did he even know where and how to start?

First he had connections to the law enforcement guy who's now in prison himself. But second he spent how many months in seclusion with all those other christian offenders? You know they swap techniques.

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6 minutes ago, Arkay said:

I know many of us want Anna, Michelle  and maybe some adult Duggar siblings to know precisely the extent of what Josh was involved in. I do, too. If they know I just cannot fathom how they can reconcile themselves to who Josh really is,  and they need to know the truth. 

It's this that makes me think that Josh will cop a plea.  The odds of the case being thrown out of court unheard are pretty small.  If this goes to trial all of this and more is going to come out.  Even if Josh is prepared to roll the dice on being found innocent I have to wonder if JB is prepared to take that chance.

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47 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I would love for someone to sit her down and tell her in details what was on the files and that Josh was mastubating to it. And then ask her if she wants someone who enjoys that around her children.

Anna, JimBoob and Michelle should be made to WATCH the videos IMO.

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6 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Anna, JimBoob and Michelle should be made to WATCH the videos IMO.

If not watch, read a full synopsis of them.

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Charges have been made public that specifically name possession of Child Sexual Abuse Material, discussion of charges are allowed. However, discussion of victims, or possible victims (and their identities) related to these charges are NOT ALLOWED
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