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1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

If Smuggar lays about expecting Maria to wait on him, I hope he has another thing coming. 

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

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12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I know opinions vary on Anna, but I've lost all sympathy at this point. The fact that she went with Joshley to turn himself in is yet another example of her choosing her husband over her children. 

People will make excuses that she's brainwashed, another victim, trapped in the cult, etc., but to me she's no different than the countless "real world" women who allow boyfriends/husbands to get away with abuse because they can't imagine life without a man. I'm done with her. The only ones I feel sorry for are the kids.

These people are prolife but can't protect their own kids. So much for being prolife Anna. 

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7 hours ago, Namaste said:

I’m not sure it’s related to Josh’s trouble. Sounds like he just has a story to tell about something else?

Could be complete BS too. 

Maybe he’s talking about one of Anna’s brothers? 

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23 minutes ago, Darknight said:

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

As a headship, he's supposed to financially support his family. I don't know what kind of diligent work (® Anna) he's been doing since the car lot was shut down.

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12 hours ago, Kellyee said:

While Josh is horrible, I doubt CPS will yank the kids from Anna unless they find evidence that Josh abused them. Foster care is no walk in the park. Kids are molested and killed in foster care on a regular basis. They really are safer with their family (except Josh).

 

 

 

CPS will most likely not remove the kids. They have little staff, a lot of kids they can't find homes for, and it is traumatic to remove a child away from their birth parents. Yes even bad parents. On top of this the kids would be split up. The oldest M kid is 11 going on 12. She's old in the foster care system and might end up in a group home away from her siblings. 

 

Yes, sadly foster care isn't perfect either. There are kids who die and are abused in foster care. Statistics show foster kids are 10x more likely to be abused. 

 

I'm a foster and adoptive parent. It takes a lot to remove a kid. In recent years laws were passed to keep kids with their families. So even if Anna didn't have the kids, CPS will look for extended family. I mean Jimchelle got Tyler. The M kids would be placed with Jimchelle or Anna's family. So they're stuck. I really hope Josh gets the maximum. I hope therapy real therapy is given to the kids. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

As a headship, he's supposed to financially support his family. I don't know what kind of diligent work (® Anna) he's been doing since the car lot was shut down.

That too. WTF. Isn't the man suppose to support his family not mommy and daddy. It says that in Gothard Bible. Man supports family. I guess they follow the Bible and Gothard when they want to oppress women 

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3 hours ago, Boston said:

I worded that the wrong way and am so sorry if I offended you.  mea culpa.. My anger got over the nice in me

I wrote this wrong.  sorry about that.

Again, i am very sorry.. i wrote this wrong.. 

Thank  you so much!  It happens.

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I wonder if the Reber’s live within walking distance of any fast food places?  I can totally see Smuggar quietly slipping out in search of Chick-Fil-A and getting shipped back to jail.

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2 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I wonder if the Reber’s live within walking distance of any fast food places?  I can totally see Smuggar quietly slipping out in search of Chick-Fil-A and getting shipped back to jail.

Were those waffle fries really worth it, Josh? Were they? 

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I would love to know what Boob and Mullet are telling the Lost Girls and Howlers still living at home about why Smuggar is in trouble.  I’m sure it’s very warped and all about satan leading Josh astray but they’ll all pray he finds Jesus again.  Probably nothing about keeping themselves safe, how as parents they will do anything to protect them (we all know that doesn’t happen), that they will help them get counseling if they want it, etc.  Those two are just plain horrible parents.

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From the picture of the Rebers in their treeless front yard, it appears to be a pretty desolate landscape. They're probably miles from the nearest fast food joint.

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48 minutes ago, Darknight said:

CPS will most likely not remove the kids. They have little staff, a lot of kids they can't find homes for, and it is traumatic to remove a child away from their birth parents. Yes even bad parents. On top of this the kids would be split up. The oldest M kid is 11 going on 12. She's old in the foster care system and might end up in a group home away from her siblings. 

 

Yes, sadly foster care isn't perfect either. There are kids who die and are abused in foster care. Statistics show foster kids are 10x more likely to be abused. 

 

I'm a foster and adoptive parent. It takes a lot to remove a kid. In recent years laws were passed to keep kids with their families. So even if Anna didn't have the kids, CPS will look for extended family. I mean Jimchelle got Tyler. The M kids would be placed with Jimchelle or Anna's family. So they're stuck. I really hope Josh gets the maximum. I hope therapy real therapy is given to the kids. 

 

 

They probably wouldn’t remove the kids, but if they did, they would undoubtedly go to live with family members , not unknown foster parents.

9 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I wonder if the Reber’s live within walking distance of any fast food places?  I can totally see Smuggar quietly slipping out in search of Chick-Fil-A and getting shipped back to jail.

If he has some money, he could just have it delivered.

4 minutes ago, Tigregirl said:

I would love to know what Boob and Mullet are telling the Lost Girls and Howlers still living at home about why Smuggar is in trouble.  I’m sure it’s very warped and all about satan leading Josh astray but they’ll all pray he finds Jesus again.  Probably nothing about keeping themselves safe, how as parents they will do anything to protect them (we all know that doesn’t happen), that they will help them get counseling if they want it, etc.  Those two are just plain horrible parents.

Thoughts and prayers ! 🤮

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7 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I wonder if the Reber’s live within walking distance of any fast food places?  I can totally see Smuggar quietly slipping out in search of Chick-Fil-A and getting shipped back to jail.

I just went a sleuthing, and it looks like they might actually live in Goshen, which is east of Fayetteville. I have to drive through there to go to Fayetteville myself, and it's a weird place. There's not much of a town, but there are shitloads of the world's ugliest McMansions. The people who work at the gas station are nice. LOL

The city limits also stretch waaaaaay past what any sane person would consider the city limits. Like, you see the town signs for Goshen and then drive quite a ways before you see the actual town on both sides. This never fails to amuse me and my grandfather when I drive him to doctor's appointments in Fayetteville. One of us blurts out "It's the Land of Goshen!" and then we both start cackling every time. 

The TLDR is I can't see Josh being able to walk to town very conveniently if they are where I think they are. 

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

From the picture of the Rebers in their treeless front yard, it appears to be a pretty desolate landscape. They're probably miles from the nearest fast food joint.

If they're in Goshen, I can't think of a chain restaurant there. I mean, there might be one, but I have never actually noticed it driving through. There's a Dollar General! And maybe a couple of locally owned restaurants. 

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1 hour ago, Darknight said:

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

the men depend on the women to do all the hard work as well as keeping the men from sexual misconduct. But yeah, the men deserve to be running everything. 

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I read on fb that Jer, Jed, and Austin were recently in the Reber’s son’s wedding.

I REALLY hope Mrs. Rebel does not cook for Josh. He can order in or cook for,himself.

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Just now, Cinnabon said:

I read on fb that Jer, Jed, and Austin were recently in the Reber’s son’s wedding.

Yeah, that was mentioned in the article I linked this morning. They met through the Freedomists. 

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2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, that was mentioned in the article I linked this morning. They met through the Freedomists. 

Ugh!

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1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Ugh!

I know! Austin was also in the wedding, and we know he's a dedicated Freedomist as well. 

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11 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I read on fb that Jer, Jed, and Austin were recently in the Reber’s son’s wedding.

I actually posted about at the time. Lemuel Reber got married last year. Some of you might remember these people.

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4 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I actually posted about at the time. Lemuel Reber got married last year. Some of you might remember these people.

Wait a minute--is that the stupid wedding that was on the other side of the state that they attended during a pandemic?! I was wondering why in the world that last name sounded weirdly familiar. Now it makes sense. 

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6 minutes ago, Zella said:

Wait a minute--is that the stupid wedding that was on the other side of the state that they attended during a pandemic?! I was wondering why in the world that last name sounded weirdly familiar. Now it makes sense. 

Yes, that's them!

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1 minute ago, Temperance said:

Yes, that's them!

Thank you! My brain can rest easy now. Yesterday, I was driving myself bonkers wondering about that last name. At first, I thought it was the person who owns Josiah's house, but it wasn't, and the names aren't even close. So, I was having an existential crisis trying to piece together if the name was familiar or if it was just part of my diseased imagination that it even seemed remotely familiar. 

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Oh,  THAT wedding! The fundie world is so small. 

The bride looks like his mother.

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5 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Mrs. Reber is Asian? Josh won't like her. I'll never forget what assfaces the Duggars were in Japan.

Complete speculation on my part. Mrs. Reber does appear to be Asian, and I’m wondering if perhaps she is Filipina? Unless Maria is an Anglicization of an Asian name, a Latin name like Maria suggests a Philippine heritage. The Philippine culture is very community and hospitality oriented. For Mrs. Raber to have expressed reluctance in court, she must so deeply not wish this burden to be thrust upon her.

Again, mere speculation on my part and irrelevant anyway, since she is stuck having to accept this role regardless of her heritage.
 

I feel terrible for her, having her own life in upheaval now due to Josh’s actions. Everyone pays the price but him. 

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29 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I actually posted about at the time. Lemuel Reber got married last year. Some of you might remember these people.

I remember that discussion. Did anyone ever find out what her super special bridal entrance was?

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Just looking at Goshen on Google Maps, it seems like a lovely place with some scenic sites and plenty of churches. There’s a Walmart, McDonald’s, and Subway in town, but the nearest Chick-fil-a is 13 miles west in Fayetteville. 

I’ve seen conflicting reports on whether Josh is free to leave or be alone without the chaperone people. It may be that he can come and go without them, as long as he doesn’t violate the other terms of where he can be. I wonder if a fast food drive-thru would count. Maybe not, since they often hire minors depending on the legal working age in the state. Even if he steered clear of the ball pit, no 16-year-old girl should have to tell him “my pleasure” when he grabs the vanilla shake and two combo meals from her. (You just know he’s the vanilla shake type.)

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If Mrs. Reber is Filipina, it's even more horrible given the nature of the particular file Josh downloaded. When the guy who created the imagery was prosecuted, it was a huge case over there. Wow. Her husband is a total asshole for allowing this. 

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1 minute ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

There’s a Walmart,

There is not a Wal-Mart in Goshen. I have never seen the McDonald's or Subway either. Are you looking at Goshen, AR, or a Goshen in another state?

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Just now, Zella said:

There is not a Wal-Mart in Goshen. I have never seen the McDonald's or Subway either. Are you looking at Goshen, AR, or a Goshen in another state?

I’m looking at Arkansas. Those sites showed up in the highlighted area on the map that usually indicates a town when I searched “Goshen AR”. Maybe Google got it mixed up? IDK, just reporting what I found in about 2 minutes of research. 

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Just now, JocelynCavanaugh said:

I’m looking at Arkansas. Those sites showed up in the highlighted area on the map that usually indicates a town when I searched “Goshen AR”. Maybe Google got it mixed up? IDK, just reporting what I found in about 2 minutes of research. 

I've literally driven through the town dozens of times. Whatever you're looking at is not correct. 

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Just now, Zella said:

I've literally driven through the town dozens of times. Whatever you're looking at is not correct. 

Yes, you made that very clear. Fortunately I was just rambling about Josh’s hypothetical access to fast food, so it’s not important and we definitely don’t need to explore the topic further. I recognize and salute your superior knowledge of that particular corner of Arkansas!

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4 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

If Mrs. Reber is Filipina, it's even more horrible given the nature of the particular file Josh downloaded. When the guy who created the imagery was prosecuted, it was a huge case over there. Wow. Her husband is a total asshole for allowing this.

Is that the case that I read on another website, which is referred to for the child’s privacy as the “D.D tape?” I could only bring myself to skim through it as it was too awful, but I did see that there was one main guy who created or distributed that content and was arrested. I didn’t pay close enough attention so I didn’t realize any of this emanated from the Philippines. No matter where or from whom it originated, it was really too much for me to read carefully. I just don’t want to believe this stuff exists on earth. 

 

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Does the GPS monitoring requirement in the judge's order mean that Josh will be wearing an ankle bracelet? 

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2 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Does the GPS monitoring requirement in the judge's order mean that Josh will be wearing an ankle bracelet? 

Yes. At Boob's expense. 😂

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I realize its borderline nuts to be this invested in Josh's case but I find myself here anyway. Since I've followed the show since day 1, to me the Duggars are well known. I was actually surprised there were not more reporters at his jail release. That's when I Check myself and say, "the majority of people actually don't care" - lol.

Will TMZ be parked outside the Reber's (sp)? Will we know if Josh is going to "work" or if Anna is visiting? Ugh.. again ...borderline obsession here.

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4 hours ago, cereality said:

But they’ve seen it all and aren’t going to be fooled by dumb Duggar excuses like oh I didn’t know there was wifi at that rental house when I picked up Jed’s phone, I just wanted to see the weather blah blah. Or oh no this isn’t my phone, Anna didn’t get me this, Jason carries 2 phones blah blah.

I have a feeling that Josh is going to violate his parole and end back in jail 

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33 minutes ago, marleyfan said:

I have a feeling that Josh is going to violate his parole and end back in jail 

I hope so b/c I read a mild description of the DD video and Josh should be put in solitary confinement and given a bowl of slop 3 times a day for the rest of his life. Every asshole who whines that he was only looking, he didn't hurt anyone should have to watch/read/listen to that video. Anna should have to do that and if she still thinks it's okay for her kids to be around that scumbag her children should be removed from her custody, #7 at birth, and she should be forcibly sterilized.  

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8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

And what mother in their right mind would let their kid within a mile of that home with Josh there?

You mean besides Anna?

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2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

I realize its borderline nuts to be this invested in Josh's case but I find myself here anyway. Since I've followed the show since day 1, to me the Duggars are well known. I was actually surprised there were not more reporters at his jail release. That's when I Check myself and say, "the majority of people actually don't care" - lol.

Will TMZ be parked outside the Reber's (sp)? Will we know if Josh is going to "work" or if Anna is visiting? Ugh.. again ...borderline obsession here.

I'm not sure they're well known. Most of the folks I know don't know who they are. IMO, its different from say, the name recognition of the Kardashians. I've never watched a show, but I know who the Kardashians are. I think the Duggars were more well known back when Michelle was having babies and they were appearing on the Today show. Like the Gosselins, no matter how hard Kate tries to stay relevant, these families fade away. I also think the Duggars are polarizing, so some who disagree with their lifestyle won't watch them or hate watch them.

As far as the tabloids, they may poke around trying to spot Josh or catch him screwing up, but I doubt it because the AR isn't really convenient and I'm not sure they'd get enough clicks between now and the trial. During the trial they might poke around more.

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3 hours ago, Nysha said:

I hope so b/c I read a mild description of the DD video and Josh should be put in solitary confinement and given a bowl of slop 3 times a day for the rest of his life. Every asshole who whines that he was only looking, he didn't hurt anyone should have to watch/read/listen to that video

The DD video was infamous at the time and really hard to access. The fucko who made it charged 10 grand to watch it on a pay per view type thing and a lot of people who did got caught and received decades in prison. If Josh was savvy enough to find that (which i assume is hard still) then God knows what else he's been watching. His idiot wife is probably equating his charge with standard 'woman covered in jizz from a threesome' porn and those kids have no chance if that's the family's attitude. 

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The Rebers live in Fayetteville. There’s a little bit of everything very close to them.

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5 hours ago, marleyfan said:

I have a feeling that Josh is going to violate his parole and end back in jail 

Here's hoping. 

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6 hours ago, BitterApple said:

If Mrs. Reber is Filipina, it's even more horrible given the nature of the particular file Josh downloaded. When the guy who created the imagery was prosecuted, it was a huge case over there. Wow. Her husband is a total asshole for allowing this. 

I've avoided the details about what Smuggar had, but I know this incredibly tragic and horrifying story. It's the Australian guy who committed years of unspeakable crimes in the Philippines, right? I saw an Australian news program on it and on him, including the search for the bodies. And that was a huge story all over the west side of the Pacific rim, I think, so it's hard to imagine Mrs. Reber hasn't heard at least hints of it, if she is Filipina. And I expect she is. 

I despised her "patriarch" husband before, because of what became clear from her testimony in court. And, to be fair, I expect he probably doesn't know anything about that case or that some of the images from it were among Josh's bundle. So he's probably not being consciously callous in that way. But this is awful, nevertheless. I can only hope that Mrs. Reber pays little enough attention to Josh's court case to avoid finding out that the stuff he looked at included images from this horror-almost-beyond-comprehension. 

Now I get what the one fed's comment about the stuff meant, about 'one of the five worst" things ever. Not surprising that Josh's cache included some of that material, since I think it's one of the biggest individual "libraries" of child-sex-abuse horror in the world and has been distributed around the world millions of times for years now.

The case described in this Wikipedia article is probably the reason for the fed guy's "one of the five worst" assessment, if anybody wants to know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Scully

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Did Anna know what Josh was being investigated for when she got pregnant with baby #7??

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13 minutes ago, Xena said:

 

Edited to add - too many people are giving TLC a pass on this because Josh is no longer on the show.  As others have said but I will say again - TLC IS FUNDING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR JOSHUA DUGGAR'S DEFENSE.  I wish no ill will to the siblings, but TLC allowed the parents back on the current show - can we not have a little biblical you reap what you sow lesson here?  Pull the plug.  The best thing for the siblings \ rest of the family is for the show to go 

TLC is counting on a ratings boost from all of this. People will tune in to see how everyone acts, who is in the show etc. I haven't watched the show except for the Megyn interview and a few minutes here and there. I have done some reading about Gothard and their family as well as this board. I find their entire religion to be one very sick cult and the ratings is what keeps them on TV. If you are truly disgusted by Josh and the family you shouldn't watch the show anymore, no more ratings. 

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Who knows? She seems pretty dim. But even if she did know about the investigation that wouldn't have stopped her. 

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Charges have been made public that specifically name possession of Child Sexual Abuse Material, discussion of charges are allowed. However, discussion of victims, or possible victims (and their identities) related to these charges are NOT ALLOWED
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