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5 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

Very similar here, although the facilities are independent with trained staff.   They also get involved in cases of child physical abuse occasionally.  A detective on a case might listen or remotely observe an interview, and occasionally a prosecutor may do the same, but they are allowed no input into the process whatsoever.   No one but the child and the interviewer are allowed in the interview room.  Family does not listen or observe.

Anything requiring a physical examination of a victim is conducted by a SANE nurse, unsure where they are conducted.   This applies purely to investigation, not regarding children who are in need of medical treatment.   Obviously medical treatment would take priority where needed.

I've helped train SANE nurses for years.  Most of them would be conducting their exams in the ER.  Of course, that is probably because the kid or adult turned up in the ER after the assault.  Since they are trained in the medical part of a pelvic exam (what I teach them) as well as collecting forensics for law enforcement purposes. they usually need access to swabs and labs and such; so I think the ER is their preferred location.  

Alas, there are also instances where they encounter significant injuries and need a medical consultation and sometimes a surgeon in a hurry which also is easier in the ER,

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32 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Yes. Because there’s absolutely nothing else going on these days. 🙄

I think the story is nonsense - the kind of thing that will eventually end up on an urban legends page - but honestly the Duggars probably do not think there is anything going on in this world that is more important than they are.

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I think this link was posted upthread as well as on the media thread, however, I didn’t see anyone comment on the people shown at the very end of the clip.  At the very end, the camera shows a child, back of woman’s head and a man in a car in the parking lot as Josh’s vehicle pulls away.  The man resembles Derrick to me.  Can anyone tell?  
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/06/josh-duggar-released-on-bail-after-child-porn-allegation/

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Heathen said:

There are plenty of people on this forum who don't believe in any gods, and we are not dirtbags. 

 

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4 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I think this link was posted upthread as well as on the media thread, however, I didn’t see anyone comment on the people shown at the very end of the clip.  At the very end, the camera shows a child, back of woman’s head and a man in a car in the parking lot as Josh’s vehicle pulls away.  The man resembles Derrick to me.  Can anyone tell?  
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/06/josh-duggar-released-on-bail-after-child-porn-allegation/

 

 

That’s not Derick, nor is that Jill or either of their two boys. 

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4 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I think this link was posted upthread as well as on the media thread, however, I didn’t see anyone comment on the people shown at the very end of the clip.  At the very end, the camera shows a child, back of woman’s head and a man in a car in the parking lot as Josh’s vehicle pulls away.  The man resembles Derrick to me.  Can anyone tell?  
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/06/josh-duggar-released-on-bail-after-child-porn-allegation/

 

 

Just my opinion, but that guy is better looking than Derrick and that doesn’t look like Izzy or the back of Jill’s head.

And, of all the adjacents, Derrick is the one least likely to show up for anything Josh or JB related.

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I have a question... what is the difference between receiving and possessing? I know you have to receive something in order to possess it, but why are they considered different charges? Or did I just answer my own question? Is it to help stack up charges against a person? 

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1 minute ago, Oldernowiser said:

Just my opinion, but that guy is better looking than Derrick and that doesn’t look like Izzy or the back of Jill’s head.

And, of all the adjacents, Derrick is the one least likely to show up for anything Josh or JB related.

The poor family, caught on camera in front of a jail. I hope they're not there for something they wanted kept quiet.

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4 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

When women leave the big X factor is family support. Not just financial support (although that helps), but the abuser has usually isolated the woman (or man) to such an extent that family often needs to do things like help the abuse victim open a bank account, a credit card in her name, a burner cell phone, a lease to a car, willingness to house her pets (abusers often threaten the lives of pets), a divorce lawyer. All of those things need to be put in place before the woman can leave.

I'm not sure if the Kellers will support Anna in any of this.

Wasn’t Anna’s brother the one that tried so hard to get her away from Josh back in Washington?  She wouldn’t leave him. 
 

BTW is there any bail set on Josh or is he just free with stipulations?

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1 minute ago, Spazamanaz said:

I have a question... what is the difference between receiving and possessing? I know you have to receive something in order to possess it, but why are they considered different charges? Or did I just answer my own question? Is it to help stack up charges against a person? 

I think the purpose of the receiving law is to be able to punish people who gather these images and send them along to others, but don’t actually keep them on their computers? It’s probably harder to make a case for possession if something is only in your custody for a very short time and then you delete it? 

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I just watched Josh leaving court in a chauffeur driven limousine. Maybe he is a prince!

They should have let him walk to the house!!!

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for a little humor tonight - I noted in the release from jail video Josh seemed to be wearing his "dress shoes" from Jed's wedding.

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42 minutes ago, Zella said:

But the piano students aren't allowed in the house now. 

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

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22 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I think this link was posted upthread as well as on the media thread, however, I didn’t see anyone comment on the people shown at the very end of the clip.  At the very end, the camera shows a child, back of woman’s head and a man in a car in the parking lot as Josh’s vehicle pulls away.  The man resembles Derrick to me.  Can anyone tell?  
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/06/josh-duggar-released-on-bail-after-child-porn-allegation/

 

 

That guy in the suit jacket makes Smuggar look svelte. Maybe Smugs can borrow some clothes from him for court. 

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1 minute ago, JennyMominFL said:

Arkansas? i am sure the Clintons did it.

Fun fact, Michelle and Hillary Clinton both won the same young mother of the year award.

 

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3 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

This woman would no longer have my business if my child were taking lessons and I knew that perv was in the house!

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47 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

May I ask what it is that you do? You seem to know a lot about trials, evidence and such. I'm just curious now that you mention you would have difficulty sitting as a juror on a murder trial.

You're curious because I mention I would have difficulty sitting as a juror on a murder trial?  I'm squeamish about medical and gory things, don't even look if I'm watching a medical TV program if they do an OR scene or something like that.   I couldn't look at the evidence required to make the decision.   I wouldn't like to have to sit as a juror on a murder trial, but I could do it if there was nothing gory.

I would have thought that the fact I have specifically never shared what I do to be more likely to raise curiosity.  I purposely don't share what I do because I am in what has been a unique position where I work, opening up the door to my being identified on the internet, which I don't think is a good idea for anybody.   I work in a position that requires a bit of interviewing; gathering reports of experts & reviewing; and some of what is called investigating, which I hate using that term because it's misleading and I don't know what else to call it because it's nothing like when police are investigating.   I then report back to judges or referees on ongoing cases, try to answer their questions and look into whatever they might ask me to.   There are people here who also serve some of these same functions, but so far I am the first where the functions are combined, something I have heard may change after we return post Covid.   I started here in a different position after being a stay at home mom for a few years and kind of backed into this when things morphed due to budget cuts in the crash not long after.  

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6 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

I had read that the piano lessons were going to be "relocated".  I had taken that to mean not held in the Reber's house.  

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55 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

Could we maybe not do this? I think we all know child abuse happens, but I for one don’t come to this board to read graphic details of specific cases. The purpose of the board is to discuss the Duggars, not random child abuse cases we’ve encountered. 
 

Those blind items are rarely, if ever, accurate. I can’t imagine what any of Josh’s brothers in law could have done to make them so attractive to the feds that they’d be willing to cut a deal with Josh in order to get them. 

Sorry to offend you. It's deleted now, I will not post anything here again.

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I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

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Just now, Teriacky said:

I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

I wonder if bookies are taking bets on this?  If this were happening in England they sure would be!  

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1 minute ago, Jeanne222 said:

Wasn’t Anna’s brother the one that tried so hard to get her away from Josh back in Washington?  She wouldn’t leave him. 
 

BTW is there any bail set on Josh or is he just free with stipulations?

It usually takes 7 tries to leave. What often happens is family gets discouraged after one or two tries. But the situation now is much graver than 2015. 

I'm really afraid the jury is going to still view the Duggars as a prestigious family and be cowed by that.

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8 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

3. I have no sympathy for the Reaver (Reavers?) either.  Maybe they are trying to be good Christians, but it sounds like some arrogance at play to me.  You alone think you’re capable of managing and monitoring someone capable of these atrocities huh?  Because you’re so much closer to God? Good luck with that! People may follow certain religious beliefs with good intentions in the beginning, but extremist beliefs, in any religion, are about nothing more than wanting to feel special and superior. You want to believe you are right, and closer to God, and therefore better, than everyone else with differing beliefs.  I don’t know this Reaver fellow, but that’s the vibe I’m getting. The fact that he’d put his “Christian duty” and fealty to Jim Bob above his wife and daughter’s comfort and safety tells me all I need to know about him. 

 

The Reaver$ are helping Jim-Bob out of sheer gratitude at the reward$ that their $aviour will give them in the form of $alvation. Jim-Bob will give them many, many, enormou$ thank$.

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1 minute ago, Lady Whistleup said:

It usually takes 7 tries to leave. What often happens is family gets discouraged after one or two tries. But the situation now is much graver than 2015. 

I'm really afraid the jury is going to still view the Duggars as a prestigious family and be cowed by that.

Ugh.

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5 minutes ago, Teriacky said:

I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

I’m still wondering what he’s been up to the last two years!

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1 minute ago, Teriacky said:

I just have a feeling that Josh is going to do something to screw up his release prior to the trial...

I agree...just not having internet access until July will make him BSC. He doesn’t have a job, I doubt very much he has any hobby that isn’t illegal or a probation violation, and he’s in some stranger’s house 24/7. 
He’s going to have to sit on their sofa, eat junk food and watch basic cable until his trial.
Actually, he might be much happier.
 

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5 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I'm really afraid the jury is going to still view the Duggars as a prestigious family and be cowed by that.

Or it’ll go the other direction and everyone on the jury will be heartily sick of the Duggars and their arrogance and be happy to watch the mighty fall.

In reality, jurors are chosen to avoid both of these scenarios, at least theoretically.

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Ladies and gentlemen, here is the gullible couple who will be minding The Sex Pest. 

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The Duggars turned to them for help in particular because of LaCount’s experience within the prison system

There is also a blurb about Covenant Eyes: 

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The court heard there was a program installed on Duggar's computer called 'Covenant Eyes' which aims to 'defeat' porn. 

The Christian-based software monitors questionable online usage and is designed to help with porn addictions.

It had more than 150,000 subscribers and says it is 'designed to help you and those you love live free from pornography', adding: 'Your allies will receive comprehensive reports of your screen activity, lessening the temptation to look at porn.'

 

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38 minutes ago, Heathen said:

There are plenty of people on this forum who don't believe in any gods, and we are not dirtbags. 

Thank you.

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24 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

The last thing that I heard was the students were allowed in the house because the daughter was over 18 and supervised 

But the students are minors, so no, they're not allowed in the house while Josh is there. 

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35 minutes ago, Spazamanaz said:

I have a question... what is the difference between receiving and possessing? I know you have to receive something in order to possess it, but why are they considered different charges? Or did I just answer my own question? Is it to help stack up charges against a person? 

My possibly wrong and definitely amateur idea about this goes this way -- They only really charge you with receiving if they can figure out facts about how and when you received the thing, I think.

If all they know is that it's on your device now, but they can't get any real bead on how it got on there or when, they just charge possessing. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Zella said:

But the students are minors, so no, they're not allowed in the house while Josh is there. 

And what mother in their right mind would let their kid within a mile of that home with Josh there?

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Just now, GeeGolly said:

And what mother in their right mind would let their kid within a mile of that home with Josh there?

For real. I feel bad for the daughter because I didn't get the impression she was in favor of the arrangement, but I could also see most if not all of her students bailing on her once their parents find out why their piano lessons have to be moved, and I can't blame the parents for that. 

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Mrs. Reber is Asian? Josh won't like her. I'll never forget what assfaces the Duggars were in Japan.

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She’s a woman who has been given authority over every aspect of his life right now.

He’s going to hate any woman in that position. Or any man, for that matter. 

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8 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

3. I have no sympathy for the Reaver (Reavers?) either.  Maybe they are trying to be good Christians, but it sounds like some arrogance at play to me.  You alone think you’re capable of managing and monitoring someone capable of these atrocities huh?  Because you’re so much closer to God? Good luck with that! People may follow certain religious beliefs with good intentions in the beginning, but extremist beliefs, in any religion, are about nothing more than wanting to feel special and superior. You want to believe you are right, and closer to God, and therefore better, than everyone else with differing beliefs.  I don’t know this Reaver fellow, but that’s the vibe I’m getting. The fact that he’d put his “Christian duty” and fealty to Jim Bob above his wife and daughter’s comfort and safety tells me all I need to know about him.

I realize I'm biased to hell and back but I honestly think the kindest, most Christian, thing to do would be to keep Josh in jail. Granted the Rebers/Revears/??? can't guarantee that on their own but they didn't have to help facilitate his release either. It would be safer for all involved and would give everyone a chance to detox, for lack of a better word, from Josh.

26 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

I’m still wondering what he’s been up to the last two years!

This is my biggest question also. Working? (lol) Working out? (lol) Some combination of watching tv/mindless internet surfing/eating/making everyone's life miserable? It one thing to do that combo in your own home, an entirely different thing to do it as a guest, in a situation like Josh's, where at least one member of the household probably has, at the bare minimum, barely disguised contempt/discomfort for your presence.

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1 minute ago, Oldernowiser said:

She’s a woman who has been given authority over every aspect of his life right now.

He’s going to hate any woman in that position. Or any man, for that matter. 

I doubt she will exercise much authority at all. She will cook for him and try to minister by being the dutiful hostess. And he will attempt to beguile her every step of the way. He will instantly believe that he is smarter in every aspect. I'm pretty angry that he is so comfortable right now. 

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11 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Mrs. Reber is Asian? Josh won't like her. I'll never forget what assfaces the Duggars were in Japan.

I like Mr. Headship Patriarch Reber's pushing his wife to do this even less (if that's possible) now that I see she's Asian. 

He's not just a sexist horror. He's a sexist racist horror. Although I'm sure he thinks he's not racist a bit. I would bet otherwise. Jerk. 

And I note that the Duggars (who've lived in this same area for a bazillion years) only met these really "close friends" that they're now making use of  in 2015. Yet another small fact that speaks volumes about JB and M. And, of course, there's the fact that close friend Mrs. Reber seemed pretty darned in the dark about a lot of Things Duggar and Things Josh Duggar in her testimony. 

Has  everybody who's known the Duggars longer dumped them over the years? Or did they decide to take advantage of these people just because they haven't actually known them very long? 

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15 minutes ago, Zella said:

But the students are minors, so no, they're not allowed in the house while Josh is there. 

From the mrs reber recap on reddit - a few students who were minors come to the house for lessons

lessons could be relocated.

and in questions from the judge - the daughter had been spoken to about relocating lessons

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32 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I agree...just not having internet access until July will make him BSC. He doesn’t have a job, I doubt very much he has any hobby that isn’t illegal or a probation violation, and he’s in some stranger’s house 24/7. 
He’s going to have to sit on their sofa, eat junk food and watch basic cable until his trial.
Actually, he might be much happier.

I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Reber said they didn't have cable or TV. There is not going to be a damn thing for him to do in their home except eat, sleep, and read his bible. He may actually want Anna & the kids to visit just to break up the monotony.

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Just now, Nysha said:

I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Reber said they didn't have cable or TV. There is not going to be a damn thing for him to do in their home except eat, sleep, and read his bible. He may actually want Anna & the kids to visit just to break up the monotony.

Gun, one bullet, bottle of whiskey.

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  1 MINUTE AGO, NYSHA SAID:

I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Reber said they didn't have cable or TV. There is not going to be a damn thing for him to do in their home except eat, sleep, and read his bible. He may actually want Anna & the kids to visit just to break up the monotony.

 

 

She did say they don't have cable but also said they don't have "internet-internet", which means they do have web access. In the end Josh could be using the second phone for some Hulu. Hey, Judge Judy is on without cable. He could take notes.

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If he's allowed to go to "work" and church, are the Rebers responsible for accompanying him? Or are they only responsible for him when he's in their home?

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On 11/14/2020 at 7:52 PM, ginger90 said:


 

Some screenshots from her stories:

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Just bringing this forward from December for those who want to see some of the windowless warehouse where Anna and the kids live.

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3 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

If he's allowed to go to "work" and church, are the Rebers responsible for accompanying him? Or are they only responsible for him when he's in their home?

I was wondering about that as well. Do they need to have eyeballs on Josh 24/7? If so, how are they supposed to work out errands, grocery shopping, doctor's appointments, etc.?

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When was the last time Josh was in Jesus jail? 

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2 minutes ago, Zella said:

When was the last time Josh was in Jesus jail? 

After Joshgate 2. He went at the end of August 2015.

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10 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I was wondering about that as well. Do they need to have eyeballs on Josh 24/7? If so, how are they supposed to work out errands, grocery shopping, doctor's appointments, etc.?

Generally no. The house arrest is for him not them. They are allowed to come and go. He is not to leave the house but if he were to leave while they were out, that’s between him and his Probation Officer. They also are to make sure they’re not leaving him with things he’s not allowed — ie internet. If their only internet is phones, they could take those. For ppl with WiFi you can turn it off and make sure he doesn’t have the password. If they have something like dial in, I assume you disable that though IDK how. This is normally how it works. I haven’t seen a court order here (does anyone know if one was issued and available to see) so the order may say something different.

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Charges have been made public that specifically name possession of Child Sexual Abuse Material, discussion of charges are allowed. However, discussion of victims, or possible victims (and their identities) related to these charges are NOT ALLOWED
We are not here to provide content for ghoulish rubbernecking- there is no need to discuss the graphic details related to these charges, the moderators are not going to police posts for graphic content- posts will be removed and violators will be warned. Do not attempt to circumvent this guideline with spoiler tags.

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