Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[lulu69]

We wondered how the leghumpers could possibly defend/support Josh now. Well, wonder no more - 'Its obvious to anyone that poor Josh has been framed. A christian like Josh would NEVER do something like that.'

 

Yup....can't make this shit up. The icing on the cake would be if Anna actually buys the crapload that its a conspiracy to take down poor Josh.

Edited August 20, 2015 by lulu69

[LilyoftheValley]

I saw a picture of that adorable little McKenzie--I feel so bad for those kids and I hate to think of what the future will bring.

I hope that the one good thing that will come out of this is that Anna will do some serious soul-searching (not just bible thumping), and have a great big think over whether or not this is truly the life she wants for her daughters.  

[Guest]

Let's look at the one silver lining to this from the Duggars' perspective: at least Josh was soliciting women, not men.

The second I first laid eyes on Josh, my gaydar shot up to eleven. I dunno. Considering the Duggars and their ilk believe being gay is literally the worst thing on Earth (besides being an "abortionist" or possibly, a gay abortionist), Josh has tried everything illegal and immoral to chase the gay away. Just my theory.

[HalcyonDays]

She has no income, so she can't buy him out.

 

And that's my feminist angry theory over why so many of these - let's face it, mostly religious or at least controlling men - demand this lifestyle of their wives. It has nothing to do with the bible or religious values. It has to do with control. If a woman (wife) has no money, she has no power nor control. She cannot make the decision to leave solely because she has no means to support herself. Where is she (and the kids?) going to go? If there are no supportive family or friends around, where? Even if there is support, a woman (or any person) with no job skills is going to have a hard time finding a job. If she does, it's minimum wage. So how can she find a place to live and take care of the kids needs? With public assistance maybe but barely. And you know damn well these woman will have to wait months if not years to get any child support, if any. And how can they afford a lawyer to get said child support? They can't.

 

See how it works? The husband ensures that the wife is totally financially dependent on him, therefore she has little to no choice on leaving him (with the kids of course) and bettering her life. It's a sad situation, which is why you have the wives "accepting" the situation, because they have little choice otherwise.

 

It is a calculated manoeuvre that's been performed by men (and let's face it, society in general) for generations.

[IndianPaintbrush]

I'd imagine the situation for a Gothard woman who is divorced but unable to remarry would be the same if not worse (depending on the state where they lived). No education to speak of and no work experience outside of the home, etc. The only option women seem to have is to be a wife & SAHM, it seems like the easy fix would be to marry them off to someone else? What do these women do, particularly if they live in states where getting more than temporary alimony isn't common, there isn't a great deal of paid-off community property, and child support enforcement is lax? (I'm not saying it should be another man's job to support someone like Anna and her kids, but it seems like since marriage is a woman's only way in their culture to have a life independent from her parents, what do they suggest as a way for a woman to house/feed herself and kids?)

I don't think Gothardites have a plan for divorced mothers, they'd rather pretend they don't exist.  I can't imagine why a divorced person would want to remain a Gothardite.  Even if the divorce was plainly the other spouse's fault, you'd still have that air of failure and other Gothardites would treat you differently.  And if you couldn't remarry?  Screw that.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I hope that the one good thing that will come out of this is that Anna will do some serious soul-searching (not just bible thumping), and have a great big think over whether or not this is truly the life she wants for her daughters.

My mother-in-law was married to a man who was a perpetual cheater. When her daughters were pre-teens, she caught him cheating with her youngest child's babysitter (who was of legal age). She realized her daughters knew what was going on and that she was teaching them by example how to let a man to treat you. She says knew that she couldn't stay and partake in teaching her daughters that it's okay for a man to treat you that way since it'd kill her to see her kids go through what she went through with her husband. I hope Anna thinks about what type of example she is setting as far as teaching her daughters how they should be okay with being treated and for her sons as far as how to treat their wives. (And of course, Josh should be ashamed at the example he has set.)

[JoanArc]

See how it works? The husband ensures that the wife is totally financially dependent

Independence is a man's greatest turn off, according to Michelle.

[farmgal4]

We wondered how the leghumpers could possibly defend/support Josh now. Well, wonder no more - 'Its obvious to anyone that poor Josh has been framed. A christian like Josh would NEVER do something like that.'

 

Yup....can't make this shit up. The icing on the cake would be if Anna actually buys the crapload that its a conspiracy to take down poor Josh.

Where did that quote come from?

This might be a good time for Dim Boob to start checking out that island-in-the-middle-of-nowhere that's for sale.

[sandyskyblue]

I realize that many of us on here hope that Anna is able to divorce Josh...my gut feeling is she won't....if she can live with the fact that Josh abused his own sisters, she will also live with the fact that he was looking for some side action....I personally feel that the whole sister molestation was much worse than the typical looking for action on the side....the 2 things together??  Bad.....very, very bad...and they have 2 young daughters...my heart aches for those little ones....but I do not see Anna leaving or divorcing....

[Marigny]

http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Is that not the most awkward list of turn-ons ever? WTF is "gentleness"?

 

Precious Gothard sexy speak for keeping sweet. 

 

Yay I can't wait for one of the women Josh had sex with to come forward and give us the details of how bad in bed he is!

 

$5 says one will be super skanky and another one will look like Mama June's sister. 

[Misslindsey]

 

 

Can you imagine all the excuses he came up with?  Eventually his excuses scrapped the bottom of the barrel I suppose.

"Honey, the FRC is having an emergency meeting tonight because Blaine cheated on Kurt on an episode of GLEE and we're going to use it against the Gays."

He probably told her he was going to the gym, or would that be too obvious to Anna that something hinky was going on? Why do I feel like a Lifetime movie based on the Josh Duggar scandal(s) is in the works?

[Sew Sumi]

I was never involved in Gothard so I can't speak for that group.

BUT, fundamentalists allow divorce under certain circumstances. Adultery is one.

AND, while divorce might be very drastic, Anna is allowed to walk out. 

 

Again, Don't know Gothard but the fundamentalist Baptist churches I went to always had some single mothers. My parents were separated, not divorced. 

I really think Josh might be shunned and Anna might leave. Cheating is really a HUGE rule to break. There are always those crazies in every religion that stay no matter what horrible thing a man does but I don't know if Anna is that crazy. 

 

Depending how the religious beliefs work exactly, Josh might get a visit from church elders who are going to confront his sin. I hope so!

Adultery is grounds for divorce even in the covenant marriage that Jill and Derick had, so I imagine that a divorce could happen here, after a period of counseling, of course. I don't think they would allow a divorce without an attempt to keep the wifey chained to the cheater first.

[cherry slushie]

First time in this thread, but I've been thinking about this since the news of Duggar-Madisongate came out. and this is the place to post it!

 

I know this will never happen, but I'd love to see Anna leave Josh, then move with her kids to NYC where TLC films her own reality show, providing her with an apartment and a Nanny to help out.  She would get a job in one of those cute art stores where you can make and paint your own pottery (or a quaint, little bakery), and date really nice men.

 

I'd watch the heck out of that show.

[LilyoftheValley]

I realize that many of us on here hope that Anna is able to divorce Josh...my gut feeling is she won't....if she can live with the fact that Josh abused his own sisters, she will also live with the fact that he was looking for some side action....I personally feel that the whole sister molestation was much worse than the typical looking for action on the side....the 2 things together??  Bad.....very, very bad...and they have 2 young daughters...my heart aches for those little ones....but I do not see Anna leaving or divorcing....

It is one thing to forgive a spouse for something they did when they were much younger and seemingly contrite over.  Heck, you can even forgive your spouse for an affair, but how many women can forgive their husband for humiliating them twice in less than six months in front of the entire nation?  

[farmgal4]

A big old heaping helping of karma has been served and the Duggars are being forced to eat it.

Goodnight, friends!

[MichaelaRae]

how many women can forgive their husband for humiliating them twice in less than six months in front of the entire nation?

 

I don't know. How many women follow Gothard?

[RedBaron]

I think the family will rally together and deny deny deny and claim this is all further proof of the "agenda" against them.  If there is too much foolproof evidence against Josh for any plausible deniability then I predict Anna will stand by her man through thick and thin.  Josh will claim he signed up in a  moment of weakness (and never cancelled the subscription) but never actually cheated on Anna.  Jimbob and Mechelle will do their best to cover for him and blame others for unfairly targeting their holier-than-thou family for their Christian beliefs.

 

I honestly don't see Anna or Jimbob/ Mechele publicly rebuking Josh much less separating themselves from him.  It will be frustrating to watch Anna reduce herself to this but I would bet money that is how they will handle this mess.

[CarolMK]

I looked up the Ashley Madison site on Wikipedia and apparently it was invaded by hackers about a month ago who demanded it be shut down immediately or else the names of all the members would be released publicly. Names were to be released starting July 21 and all were to be made public by August 18.  I read something about despite the "guarantee" of making a dating connection, that most men felt ripped off and it was about 70% male, 30% female who used the site. If this is all true, I don't see how this can be a fake account by Josh Duggar. I suppose we'll find out in the next few days. I have a feeling that the family won't comment on this incident.

[BitterApple]

I can actually imagine Jim Bob wanting to punch Joshua for this. The family was so very close to repairing their brand and their relationship with TLC.

I agree and I don't blame him. This is a colossal fuck-up for Josh. It's unimaginable that he could be this stupid. Even if the site had never been hacked, there's a good chance one of his flings would've spilled the beans to a tabloid, especially if rumors were circulating the Duggars were going to be back on air.

Boob and Michelle may have failed in many ways, but this one is all on Josh.

[Rancide]

Some more okcupid answers from a friend who has an account:

 

Have you been faithful in all of your past relationships? No.

What is the most exciting thing about getting to know someone new?  Discovering their body.

Would you need to sleep with someone before you considered marrying them?  Yes.

Would you strongly prefer to go out with someone of your own skin color / racial background?  No.

Regardless of future plans, what's more interesting to you right now?  Sex

Rate your self-confidence:  Very, very high

Do you believe that men should be the heads of their households? Yes

What do you think of reality television?  It's alright

Imagine that your partner does not enjoy performing oral sex and refuses to ever perform it on you. How disappointed would you be?  Somewhat disappointed

Say you've started seeing someone you really like. As far as you're concerned, how long will it take before you have sex? 1-2 dates

Do you believe that it is possible for two previously platonic friends to start having casual sex without affecting other aspects of their relationship? Yes.

In terms of birth order, which are you?  The oldest child

Once you're intimate, how often would you and your significant other have sex?  Every day

What's the highest level of education you've completed? College

Are you smarter than most people?  Yes

Do you have a really good relationship with both your parents?  Yes

Have you ever tried any sexual roleplaying, such as student/teacher or patient/nurse?  No, but it sounds interesting.

Is it okay to live with someone you're dating, even before you're engaged or married?  Yes

[Wok Chop]

It's interesting that he said he would need to sleep with someone before marrying her, and that it is okay to live together before marriage. Hmmm... If he truly believes that, it makes me wonder if he's realized his parents' courtship model is a load of crap.

ETA: he really is an arrogant little f'er, isn't he?

Edited August 20, 2015 by Wok Chop

[Anne Elk]

Why do I feel like a Lifetime movie based on the Josh Duggar scandal(s) is in the works?

 

The writers are probably feverishly working on the Law & Order: SVU episode this very minute.

[cheatincheetos]

Josh Duggar had paid account with Ashley Madison

*sits up primly* "Well, isn't that SPECIALLLLLL?!?"

[JenCarroll]

I love that he described himself as "pure."

 

[cheatincheetos]

joesmithsonwa and I have only answered three overlapping questions, shots of which I've uploaded here: http://imgur.com/a/1UkMy(only includes his answers - mine are the opposite)

Do you feel there are any circumstances in which a person is obligated to have sex with you?

Yes

 

There's a word for that and it rhymes with 'ape'.

Also- his likes are freaking hysterical. Tall girls, short girls. Professional ones, casual ones. Long hair, short hair.

I'm hearing his checklist in the rhythm of a Dr Seuss poem-story.

[GreyBunny]

Are you smarter than most people?  Yes

 

HAHAHAHA!  He's not even smarter than most bacteria.

[sometimesy]

Ah, what an interesting day it's been here today. Am I the only one hoping it is debunked? This is just too much for Josh and tragic for his wife and children. One of the other Duggars needs to entertain us, and lighten it up a little. Just a single guy caught with a super hot girl or a gal caught making out with someone unapproved. That's all I ask.  The Grifter/Dillards entertain me with their audacity to beg for funds and their modern dance, Benessa is kinda fun to snark with their staged stud photos and Jessa's modest sausage shirts but . this though, oh Josh.. oh Josh you've jumped the shark.

[bk10]

My heart is heavy for Anna. No one deserves this.

[JoanArc]

 

Are you smarter than most people?  Yes

 

 

Do you have a really good relationship with both your parents?  Yes

Edited August 20, 2015 by JoanArc

[Sew Sumi]

Okay, that Joan gif is brilliant! 

 

eta: Josh set this account up in 2012! It's obviously him; all of the relevant dates match his real life milestones (aside from home purchase. Good one, Smuggar!)

 

https://www.facebook.com/joe.smithson.9028

Edited August 20, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[cheatincheetos]

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/joesmithsonnwa?cf=profile

Obviously, that's not Josh in the pic, but the details sound just like Josh.

"On our biggest ever episode of Catfish..."

Metallica T-shirt. Seeking "Ages 19–35"

Kayyyyy.

[subber]

Josh's okcupid answers sound like they're coming from a horny 16-year-old anxious to get laid for the first time. No side hugs or Bible verses in those responses. He wants sex on the first date. He wants it everyday. Sex is what interests him. He wants to discover a new lover's body. He is interested in sexual role playing. It's ok to live with someone before marriage. Not answers one would expect from a Duggar.

Josh and Anna had no physical relationship (other than some steamy handholding) prior to the I do's. Since the wedding, she's had multiple pregnancies and has the responsibility of taking care of four small children. She was raised with the idea that a woman must be modest so as not to stir up sinful thoughts in men but also taught that her worth is tied to her fertility -- having as many children as possible. It's easy to imagine a Gothard wife considering sex strictly as a means to an end and a wife's duty to her husband. Certainly not the stuff of porn fantasy.

Josh's sexual appetite is apparently voracious and he wants more than what he gets at home -- whatever that is. I can't help but think that had he been allowed to be that normal kid who played spin the bottle, had girlfriends, dated, and had sex, he would have been less likely to have experimented on his sisters or been forced into an early marriage with a sheltered young woman whose goal in life is to spit out babies like a Pez dispenser shoots out candy.

It was obvious when Anna informed him that baby #4 was on the way that he was less than thrilled. He just seems so over the husband /provider role. He just wants casual sex without responsibility -- the teenage/young adult flings that are forbidden in his world. Unfortunately, he's a married father of four who's been reminded, painfully, yet again, that actions have consequences. He and his family will be living with the aftermath of his poor choices for a lifetime.

[SometimesBites]

Whether people want to admit it or not. The absolute humiliation and degradation and the complete joy and jollies people are having over this could also say something about the "so called" people of tolerance. Dental work, holding a baby, weight, food placement, clothing, friends, etc.. etc.. sigh and etc.. All things that have nothing to do with their beliefs are dissected and frothed over like rabid dogs at a kitten farm. For pages and pages of derps..  What the hell do people expect to happen to children raised the way they were? We open our arms to ahemm.. well.. other people not so accepted by society and are the loudest in saying how they deserve a chance, and look at where they came from.. Josh is a prick, for sure. I still blame his parents. Dollars to fucking doughnuts if it were a a young man or woman raised just as fucked up, but under a different umm belief system. The reactions would be much different. 

I have to admit I'm not completely sure what you're getting at here. I'm a plain speaker, and I don't like to assume I know what someone means when they type "ahem" or "um." My guess is that you are commenting on the general hilarity about Josh's new and deeper fall from grace. But is that surprising? This forum has been snarking on Duggar minutia for years, so when Josh--the public mouthpiece of self-righteousness, moral turpitude, and biblical judgment--is discovered to have been simultaneously (and aggressively) seeking an extramarital sexual hookup, it doesn't seem at all out-of-character for the conversation to be a whole lot of schadenfreude. He was more than happy to sit way up high and point fingers at all the nasty little sinners below him, all the while hoping to get a little DC strange. Hope he packed a big parachute, 'cause this fall is going to be a long, hard tumble.

[cheatincheetos]

Maybe he's just trying to inflate his child count.  Weren't Boob and J'Chelle already past 4 kids at his age?

By golly, King David and Solomon got to have multiple wives and concubines, so can Joshy.

Gee, why am I not surprised more men are on the site than women. Though I heard it was more 60/40

60% men

35% men posing as women for various reasons including "lulz"

5% women

[cheatincheetos]

The self-righteous prick would tell a homeless person to get a job; however, most of the Duggars don't have a job. That's rich.

"Quit buggin me for change and get a gofundme account like a respectable adult!"

[SometimesBites]

The Josh Duggar Ashley Madison account has to be bogus. He's not that stoopid, people. 

The correct answer is: "Yes, Josh really IS that stupid." But we do have some nice parting gifts for our contestants, including the Ashley Madison home game and a year's supply of tater tots.

I asked this question in the media thread, but it really belonged here:

If Josh had an affair, he'd be smart enough to wear a condom, wouldn't he??

Unless one of them turns up pregnant.

Oh honey. Ya wanna see glee on the snark site?

[Wellfleet]

Maybe it's just simple arrogance (combined with stupidity). He sure as heck came across as an arrogant little piss-ant in the Kids and Moving special, which happened pretty much in the midst of the molestation mess. If he could come across then as arrogant, haughty and apparently convinced that the world was his oyster and his dark secrets would never come to light, it seems as if he could make the same arrogant assumptions at any other time. Not least when getting the FRC job may have inflated his ego even more.

 

100% agree. What we probably have here is a melange of Arrogance + Naivete about the "heathen world" + the normal cluelessness and unearned superiority we all had in our teens and 20s. With the unending patter of "Oh Josh, you're so wonderful. You're going to do wonderful things..." continually being blathered by Boob, Me-chelle and Anna. I for one think it is SO interesting that he poses himself as a university graduate. If he really believed the whole Gothard-Boob line about education not being valued and important, why in the world would he have done that?

[kokapetl]

I can't wrap my head around how fucking stupid Josh is. He moved to DC to take a job for a "family values" aka Christian lobbying group, and he signed up for this at the same time? How can anyone be so reckless?

I feel so sorry for Anna. She's humiliated even if no one took up Josh on his offer to cheat on her. He paid to maintain this open offer for two years. He signed up for a second account with a money back guarantee. "Sex with anyone but Anna, or your money back!"

[SometimesBites]

People is finally reporting this 

 

http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account-cheating-molestation-scandal

 

Pertinent info: Duggar's family has been struggling to move on after the cancellation of their hit TLC show 19 Kids and Counting in the wake of his initial scandal. And now, a source who has worked with the family says the latest allegations will likely only cement the network's decision to end their relationship with the Duggars.

    "It was pretty improbable that there were going to be any specials on any of the Duggars anyway," the source tells PEOPLE. "But now, with this, there's virtually no chance. It's basically just over now."

    A rep for the Duggars did not immediately respond to calls for comment.

Translation: TLC execs are on their knees as we speak, thanking the Baby Jesus that they decided to cancel 19KAC before Josh could dig the hole any deeper.

[Wellfleet]

A big old heaping helping of karma has been served and the Duggars are being forced to eat it.

Goodnight, friends!

 

And in this case, the karma was canned and found on the 'No Labels' shelf at Aldi's, expiration date unknown. It was served, to Josh at least, cold and right from the can.

Edited August 20, 2015 by Wellfleet

[Darknight]

Poor Anna couldn't please her man. He wanted oral sex and sex everyday. I thought fundie sex was the best sex ever!

[cheatincheetos]

A big old heaping helping of karma has been served and the Duggars are being forced to eat it.

Goodnight, friends!

"I thought I was buying a whole lot of Dolly Madison. Honest!"

[lulee]

I know this is unfolding very fast, but I can't believe their PR people didn't immediately say it was false...unless they know it's not.

Are there work camps for grown ups who've had unclean thoughts?

[pennben]

Why do you think any PR people would still be with them?  The money train that generally feeds PR people left when the show left.

Edited August 20, 2015 by pennben

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

I know things are moving pretty fast with today's explosive news, but a couple of gentle reminders:

• don't speculate on whether Josh will self harm
• don't blame JB and Michelle for Josh's cheating
• don't psychoanalyze Josh
• DO feel free to keep providing funny GIFs (eg, Joan Holloway cracking up) 

[kokapetl]

The writers are probably feverishly working on the Law & Order: SVU episode this very minute.

Rewriting it to accommodate new developments.

[Lillybee]

I feel for poor Anna because she tried to be the best Fundie wife ever. I don't believe that she knew about Josh molesting his sisters until InTouch broke that story but was forced to lie at the behast of Boob and Mechelle,. I don't think that her parental units will be helpful since they seem to be allowing poor Esther to be stuck with her POS husband in Zambia and didn't seem to mind that she and her eleventy children were living in a pop up tent trailer before they left for Zambia. I am not surprised that Josh may be cheating but I hate that he is so blatant about it.

Anna, please take Boob's money and run.

[kokapetl]

I agree and I don't blame him. This is a colossal fuck-up for Josh. It's unimaginable that he could be this stupid. Even if the site had never been hacked, there's a good chance one of his flings would've spilled the beans to a tabloid, especially if rumors were circulating the Duggars were going to be back on air.

Boob and Michelle may have failed in many ways, but this one is all on Josh.

The family might have come to terms with what a seemingly remorseful Josh did to his sisters when he was 14, but they must be stunned with how little concern he has for them by actively risking their livelihoods with an Ashley Madison account.

[mimionthebeach]

I'm not yet convinced that this latest outing is true, however I really wouldn't be surprised. We'd heard rumors about "sin in the camp" and we all know those had substance. There are also rumors that Josh used to frequent strip clubs in a nearby town when he was in his late teens. While there's been no proof that these are true, the Ashley Madison story, taken in conjunction with the rest, suggests a pattern of behavior that's pretty convincing. Josh never stopped being "a little too curious about girls" and it seems he'd been pretty much getting away with it (even the molestation, given the possible consequences). No wonder he grew up smug and entitled and thought he could get away with the Ashley Madison account.

I doubt any women will be coming forward claiming to have hooked up with Josh. Anna will not divorce Josh or even leave. Her family will not step up to rescue her. Her father would have known the truth about Josh and still offered his daughter up to him. (And he's proven his parental mettle with Esther.) Whatever they say, patriarchal societies rarely consider male infidelity an issue in practice. Anna will just be expected to suck it up, accept the blame and carry on being the dutiful wife with the adoring gaze.

It's sickening that, with the world available at our fingertips, these cults are still able to convince women that they are worth so much less than a man.

Edited August 20, 2015 by mimionthebeach

[kokapetl]

Give me your tired, your poor / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free / The wretched refuse of your teeming shore / Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me / I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Josh is the Ellis Island of side pussy (RIP Patrice O' Neal). He'll take them all. Tall. Short. Skinny. Muscular. As long as you have a bang pad, he's good to go.

No transgender women need apply. Maybe.