Morgalisa September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 I wonder how much Anna knows and how long she has known it. I don't think she knew about Josh having sex. But he was reported to be drunk in the strip clubs that he frequented. He had to have gone home drunk. And people who are "addicted" to porn or surfing dating sites usually spend a lot of time on the computer and late into the night. With all the time it takes to try to cover up all of that, he can't have had much time to be a good husband. 1 Link to comment
farmgal4 September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 I really have no idea why Josh is the way he is, but I think he honestly may be a sex addict. Would a "normal" person continue to repeat the same bad behavior that would ultimately destroy him and his family's reputation, if they could help themselves? Nobody in their right mind would IMO. Like any addict, however, Josh has to have professional help before he can even begin to get better. I wonder how much Anna knows and how long she has known it. I don't think she knew about Josh having sex. But he was reported to be drunk in the strip clubs that he frequented. He had to have gone home drunk. And people who are "addicted" to porn or surfing dating sites usually spend a lot of time on the computer and late into the night. With all the time it takes to try to cover up all of that, he can't have had much time to be a good husband. "He had to have gone home drunk." Unless he was out of town. 2 Link to comment
JoanArc September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 According to the screenshots I just saw on Facebook, Josh's Arkansas house has been sold - for $65k. 2 Link to comment
JenCarroll September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 In addition, I rather think that Josh doesn't actually like anyone -- any adults, at any rate; he has seemed to like his kids. But when it comes to his peers and other adults, I think he probably walks around looking at everyone through a haze of buried anger and resentments, contempt and arrogance mixed in with insecurities and fears that he's inferior. It occurs to me that this is also a pretty accurate description of Jim Bob. 6 Link to comment
Julia September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 (edited) Really good observation. In addition, I rather think that Josh doesn't actually like anyone -- any adults, at any rate; he has seemed to like his kids. But when it comes to his peers and other adults, I think he probably walks around looking at everyone through a haze of buried anger and resentments, contempt and arrogance mixed in with insecurities and fears that he's inferior. It occurs to me that this is also a pretty accurate description of Jim Bob. It never occurred to me that Jim Bob likes his kids, honestly. I think if a butterfly had flapped its wings in China at just the right moment, a childless single Jim Bob would be aggressively trying to impress the expert on Antiques Roadshow with his cherished collection of porcelain Elvis-shaped bourbon decanters. I agree, though, that both he and Josh are scary hostile people. Edited September 13, 2015 by Julia 13 Link to comment
Churchhoney September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 According to the screenshots I just saw on Facebook, Josh's Arkansas house has been sold - for $65k. Good grief. So Anna's losing her house, too, and she's still all thumbs up in the wedding picture? I'd be chewing someone's face off by now if I were in her position. Wonder what in the world that means? 2 Link to comment
JoanArc September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 Good grief. So Anna's losing her house, too, and she's still all thumbs up in the wedding picture? I'd be chewing someone's face off by now if I were in her position. Wonder what in the world that means? Josh is poorer than we thought? Jim Bob bought it? Josh can't be trusted with the house? It was sold before a divorce? Jim Bob wants them to live within shouting distance? They're getting Jill's house? They only made $10k (Well, less) on the whole kerfuffle. We saw it being fixed up inside. Poor Anna. 4 Link to comment
CofCinci September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 (edited) According to the screenshots I just saw on Facebook, Josh's Arkansas house has been sold - for $65k. The one they recently purchased for $55K and family and friends spent all summer rehabing? Not much of a profit at all? Surely they had to put $10K into the place. Sounds like they've lost money on this house. Liquidating assets before the divorce? Or-- they're not going to let Josh and Anna leave the compound? Edited September 13, 2015 by CofCinci 5 Link to comment
3girlsforus September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 According to the screenshots I just saw on Facebook, Josh's Arkansas house has been sold - for $65k. So I easily lose track of Duggar real estate. Is this a house that Josh had prior to his trek to DC? Did it belong to JB? Guess this means Anna is at the TTH. And I have to ask... has anyone seen pictures of this place? What kind of shoe box did they get for 65k??? Link to comment
JoanArc September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 (edited) One more theory - Josh sold it without his family's knowledge and is using the cash to escape everyone. And I have to ask... has anyone seen pictures of this place? What kind of shoe box did they get for 65k??? No, it was 200k foreclosed house that needed rehab they got for $50k. Josh bought it a little before Joshgate I. It wasn't THAT bad a house, it just needed some updating. It was 15 mins from the TTH. Edited September 13, 2015 by JoanArc 2 Link to comment
CofCinci September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 (edited) Pictures are on Radar http://radaronline.com/photos/josh-anna-duggar-buy-new-house-arkansas/photo/1034557/ Since they only sold it for $65K and not the $200K it went for in 2013 or comps in neighborhood, I'm going to guess they sold it to a friend? Edited September 13, 2015 by CofCinci 1 Link to comment
Julia September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 (edited) It occurs to me that Jim Bob has to be pretty desperate for liquidity right now. His credit has to be awful, and didn't he just walk away from a mortgage? I'm going to guess that way too much of his assets are tied up in real property for him to afford to be able to take a hit of basically all of his non-investment income. ETA: is anyone else getting an ad for STD testing on that link? Edited September 13, 2015 by Julia 1 Link to comment
3girlsforus September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 It seems unlikely that they did the renovations in such a short time. So a 15k increase in price is pretty good for less than 6 months Link to comment
Guest September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 (edited) Pictures are on Radar http://radaronline.com/photos/josh-anna-duggar-buy-new-house-arkansas/photo/1034557/ Since they only sold it for $65K and not the $200K it went for in 2013 or comps in neighborhood, I'm going to guess they sold it to a friend? Honestly, I can't figure out if he sold the house or not. Yes, Zillow lists it as having been sold last month for $65K, but I checked the Benton County Property Records online and Josh and Anna are still listed as the owners. Color me confused! Edited September 13, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
3girlsforus September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 One more theory - Josh sold it without his family's knowledge and is using the cash to escape everyone. Maybe JB is helping Josh get rid of all of his assets so Anna can't get anything from him if she tried to divorce him. She can't leave him if he doesn't have any money to support her. 3 Link to comment
JoanArc September 13, 2015 Share September 13, 2015 It seems unlikely that they did the renovations in such a short time. So a 15k increase in price is pretty good for less than 6 months After Joshgate they were shown working in the house. Link to comment
MonicaM September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Josh is still facing a possible lawsuit from one of his molestation victims. They may have received legal advice that it would be best for him to liquidate his assets before he is hit with a big monetary judgement. 7 Link to comment
CofCinci September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 It seems unlikely that they did the renovations in such a short time. Pre-Ashley Madison scandal, there are clips in here of the Duggars and their friends (the one who owns the furniture store) working on the house while some of the Duggar females watch children. No footage of Josh working on the house though. Honestly, I can't figure out if he sold the house or not. Yes, Zillow lists it as having been sold last month for $65K, but I checked the Benton County Property Records online and Josh and Anna are still listed as the owners. Color me confused! If Benton County has them listed as the owners, then they didn't sell it. 1 Link to comment
3girlsforus September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 (edited) Pre-Ashley Madison scandal, there are clips in here of the Duggars and their friends (the one who owns the furniture store) working on the house while some of the Duggar females watch children. No footage of Josh working on the house though. If Benton County has them listed as the owners, then they didn't sell it. Not necessarily if it was sold quite recently. Government can be slow at updating public databases. If they did sell the house, for whatever reason, it seems inevitable then that Anna is at TTH. I ache for her. Where on earth are they sleeping?? Edited September 14, 2015 by 3girlsforus 3 Link to comment
kalamac September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Is it possible it sold last month, but the closing hasn't happened yet, so it's still in their name? I know some sales are immediate, but I've also known a few to take a couple of months to be finalized. But, I'm basing this on what I know about Australian real estate, which could be completely different from how stuff works in the US. 4 Link to comment
Guest September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Is it possible it sold last month, but the closing hasn't happened yet, so it's still in their name? I know some sales are immediate, but I've also known a few to take a couple of months to be finalized. But, I'm basing this on what I know about Australian real estate, which could be completely different from how stuff works in the US. Makes sense! That would actually explain the discrepancy! If they did sell the house, for whatever reason, it seems inevitable then that Anna is at TTH. I ache for her. Where on earth are they sleeping?? If they sold the house, I hope that Anna is getting Jill's beautiful, spacious house and maybe a J'slave as a live-in helper. Link to comment
CofCinci September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 If they sold the house, I hope that Anna is getting Jill's beautiful, spacious house and maybe a J'slave as a live-in helper. If anyone gets the blue mansion it is Princess Jessa. Anna will continue to live in the "guest house", so JB and Michelle can keep tabs on her while Josh is at RU. 1 Link to comment
Julia September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 If anyone gets the blue mansion it is Princess Jessa. Anna will continue to live in the "guest house", so JB and Michelle can keep tabs on her while Josh is at RU. Not so sure about that. Jim Bob has a vested interest in keeping Anna sweet, and Jessa doesn't have any other options. 1 Link to comment
Patricia07 September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 I wonder if Anna and the kids would be allowed to go visit her parents if it was what she wanted. Or is she basically in prison. Link to comment
Guest September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 If anyone gets the blue mansion it is Princess Jessa. Anna will continue to live in the "guest house", so JB and Michelle can keep tabs on her while Josh is at RU. IDK. Jessa has only produced one blessing, whereas Anna needs enough room for four little blessings... Link to comment
Micks Picks September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Where to sleep? Just throw Mckensie in with the J girls and the M boys with their cousins. Anna and the baby rate a cubicle someplace. Thumbs up, Anna. 4 Link to comment
Quilt Fairy September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Pre-Ashley Madison scandal, there are clips in here of the Duggars and their friends (the one who owns the furniture store) working on the house while some of the Duggar females watch children. Sounds just like the barn-raising scene in Witness. 4 Link to comment
JoanArc September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 It looks like it was sold 8/25, so maybe the records weren't updated. 1 Link to comment
CofCinci September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 I wonder if Anna and the kids would be allowed to go visit her parents if it was what she wanted. Or is she basically in prison.I'm curious if JB has allowed her any contact with her family. 1 Link to comment
JoanArc September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 I'm curious if JB has allowed her any contact with her family. We know she talked to her brother. Link to comment
MarysWetBar September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Derrick and Jill moving their stuff out of the mansion and Josh and Anna's house sold. I think Anna moving into the mansion and their house being sold so they have zero income when the law suits start pouring in. There will be more coming. .for sure. 1 Link to comment
3girlsforus September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Derrick and Jill moving their stuff out of the mansion and Josh and Anna's house sold. I think Anna moving into the mansion and their house being sold so they have zero income when the law suits start pouring in. There will be more coming. .for sure. Have any suits been filed? How does it work when you are suing an adult for something he did as a minor? Link to comment
GeeGolly September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 If Anna & the Ms are moving into to the Mcmansion, which seems like a good possibility, wouldn't a male need to live there too? But that male would need an accountability partner. So maybe Jana & JD? Or Joy and the boy twins? So very complicated. Link to comment
3girlsforus September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Here's a nightmare thought... what if Jill and Derick are staying in the mansion during the time they are "taking care of things". Anna and the kids move in too so Derick is her guardian. Jill either is already or gets pregnant and dumps Israel on Anna to care for while Jill incubates. Jill's pregnancy would definitely be more of a priority than Anna's well being since Jill is a whole Duggar and Anna just married one. 2 Link to comment
Wellfleet September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 (edited) I'm curious if JB has allowed her any contact with her family. I've wondered this too. If he is trying to limit Anna's contacts with "the outside", first off - how dare he? And secondly - how can he be justifying it? Of course we know what kind of inane blather Boob could come up with - but seriously. Isn't anyone REALLY listening? Anna really has NO ONE in her corner? It's beyond sad... Edited September 14, 2015 by Wellfleet 4 Link to comment
Guest September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 If Anna & the Ms are moving into to the Mcmansion, which seems like a good possibility, wouldn't a male need to live there too? But that male would need an accountability partner. So maybe Jana & JD? Or Joy and the boy twins? So very complicated. JD owns a small house literally next door to the McMansion. It's rumored that he has moved out of the Duggar house and lives there now... Link to comment
Joe Jitsu913 September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Josh needs to be honest with himself. He clearly wants to be a college educated, womanizing, desirable guy with no responsibilities (like Scott Peterson). The only thing is...he is none of those things. He's never had the chance to sow his oats because of his controlling parents. If he can't admit to himself that this is the lifestyle he wants, as sleazy as it is; then he will never get help and repeat the same cycle. He really needs to be upfront with Anna by telling her that he doesn't want the responsibilities of being a Gothardite husband and father. Strippers and porn stars are his preference. I really do hope that he can have this conversation with Anna so that she can begin to heal. 7 Link to comment
cmr2014 September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Derrick and Jill moving their stuff out of the mansion and Josh and Anna's house sold. I think Anna moving into the mansion and their house being sold so they have zero income when the law suits start pouring in. There will be more coming. .for sure. I think that they sold the house to the Duggar Trust. It's too coincidental that the house was sold for the purchase price + the cost of renovation. JB might have bought the house to prevent it from being seized in the event of a lawsuit, but I also think that it restores control to JB. Josh had hiw own life and his own assets -- and look what happened! He needs to be back under his headship's unbrella pronto -- and no one else is ever going to leave!!! I do think that JB thinks that they can get their show back. Josh will come back repentant and will give his testamony on the healing power of Jesus, Anna will be paraded out in some church to publicly forgive him, Jessa will have her baby, Jilly-Muffin will get pregnant again, there will be a new courtship -- who wouldn't want to watch all that? I'm not a big fan of Josh, but I don't know that he deserves what is coming to him. He's going to be the scapegoat for every single problem that that family has until JB and J'chelle are dead and buried. I think that the older children are going to have plenty of problems as they transition into the Duggar version of adult life, but I think that the younger, feral kids are going to be a real mess. JB and J'chelle will never be forced to take any responsibility for any of it, either. It will all be Josh's fault. "If we just had our television show, and that extra income, Josie wouldn't be working a pole right now!" 12 Link to comment
sometimesy September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 If they sold the house, I hope that Anna is getting Jill's beautiful, spacious house and maybe a J'slave as a live-in helper. Hell No! I hope this doesn't happen. Anna is the mother of those children. She is responsible for them. The J'slaves need to focus on themselves and what they want and need, not the needs of the group. They will start employing the lost girls. Not fair. Damn cult. 9 Link to comment
pennben September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 (edited) I think that they sold the house to the Duggar Trust. It's too coincidental that the house was sold for the purchase price + the cost of renovation. JB might have bought the house to prevent it from being seized in the event of a lawsuit, but I also think that it restores control to JB. If they sold the house and it was in Josh's name, the proceeds of the house would also be in Josh's name, so assets are still in his name, they are just now liquid assets, as opposed to real estate. It doesn't change the fact that he has those assets in his name. The question you want to be asking is why he wanted liquid assets as opposed to non-liquid assets. Perhaps because he wants to make settlements? Again, if the house was in his name and it was worth $X, and he received $X upon sale, even to the Duggar Trust, $X is still in Josh's name now. That's what I would be focussing on more than who ended up with property. Unless, of course, they some how flip it for a huge profit in a short time, in which case, yes, one can look into siphoning off assets. Edited September 14, 2015 by pennben 3 Link to comment
cmr2014 September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 If they sold the house and it was in Josh's name, the proceeds of the house would also be in Josh's name, so assets are still in his name, they are just now liquid assets, as opposed to real estate. It doesn't change the fact that he has those assets in his name. The question you want to be asking is why he wanted liquid assets as opposed to non-liquid assets. Perhaps because he wants to make settlements? Again, if the house was in his name and it was worth $X, and he received $X upon sale, even to the Duggar Trust, $X is still in Josh's name now. That's what I would be focussing on more than who ended up with property. Unless, of course, they some how flip it for a huge profit in a short time, in which case, yes, one can look into siphoning off assets. I'm sure that there is someone on this board who will know, but my guess is that if they sold the house to the trust for $1, then they could be accused of hiding assets in case of a lawsuit. If they sold it for a legitimate value, then yeah, Josh has $65,000, but he doesn't have the $200,000 that the house could have been (and still can be) sold for. Link to comment
pennben September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 (edited) Of course if they sold it for $1 (or even more if less than market value) you are looking at fraud/hiding assets. No question. I even indicated that in the post you quoted raising this question. I thought I read several posts where they sold it for a marginal profit from the purchase price paid after limited improvements. I'm just saying he may have needed to cash out now because he needs the cash and couldn't wait for the turnaround in the market (lots of folks have to cash out of real estate before it makes it back to high levels of value). Let's wait to convict them of another crime until we are sure they have committed it. Edited September 14, 2015 by pennben Link to comment
MyPeopleAreNordic September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 (edited) Where to sleep? Just throw Mckensie in with the J girls and the M boys with their cousins. Anna and the baby rate a cubicle someplace. Thumbs up, Anna.I think you mean "Just throw Mackensie in with the J girls and the M boys in with their UNCLES." I know, it's crazy to think those kids have that many uncles & aunts their age/close to their age.... Edited September 14, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic 5 Link to comment
lookeyloo September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 How much does RU cost? Maybe they are paying for that 2 Link to comment
MamaMax September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 I don't think Josh likes women. Don't get me wrong, he may love his wife, his mother and his sisters, but I think he just doesn't like them. He isn't gay. Gay men don't dislike women, they're just not attracted to them sexually. I've known guys like him before and I've also known women who don't like men. They tend to get married and treat their spouses badly. I'm not sure you could pin the reason for this on any one factor, I think it's a part of their personality just like how some people have a natural dislike of certain foods or dogs or cats. If he would get some actual counseling, he could recognize the problem and learn coping skills. He probably could develop some empathy once he learned to see women as thinking, feeling humans. But we all know the likelihood of that happening. Legitimate counseling might contradict his religious upbringing, and getting his head on straight might lead to him putting a ton of distance between himself and his dysfunctional family. Being raised in the cult, how could he have possibly developed normal feelings for women and girls? They were to be feared and avoided, the whole Eve and the Serpent thing, etc I doubt he will ever have a normal romantic or sexual relationship. He is too far gone, and his recent trouble just reinforced the "sex is bad, sex is dirty; women are bad, women are dirty," mentality. I can't help but think of hte country song, "I like my women a little on the trashy side." If Josh had been raised in a more normal household, he may have just accepted his preferences, gotten some good natured ribbing about his love of big fake boobs, been allowed to experience Playboy magazines or a little mainstream porn without being made to feel like the devil had hold of his soul…. he could be happily married to a somewhat trashy woman with big fake boobs and watching a little porn now and then to get in the mood, and being HAPPY. 8 Link to comment
zenme September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Could Jimbo have purchased Josh's house and gave him the $65000 to help keep Josh and Anna afloat for a while.RU costs money, as do hookers and chick-fil-a. 2 Link to comment
cheatincheetos September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 I think you mean "Just throw Mackensie in with the J girls and the M boys in with their UNCLES." I know, it's crazy to think those kids have that many uncles their age/close to their age.... When I saw that there was a cartoon available on Netflix titled "Uncle Grandpa" somehow I thought of this. 2 Link to comment
cheatincheetos September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Watching the backs of all the men at the ru service......is there a reason why so much plaid is being worn? The little cross shapes contained in plaid patterns repel demons of porn and nomnomnom addictions. 10 Link to comment
MyPeopleAreNordic September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 Hey Josh (if you ever read this), It's cool if you wanted to go to college. It's cool if you wanted to be a lawyer. It's cool if you wanted to date and hookup with a lot of consenting adult women before you settled down. It's cool if you didn't want eleventy-million blessings. It's cool if you wanted to go get hammered in a strip club every once in a while. In the real world/secular world, the vast majority of us never would have judged you for any of those things (as long as you weren't claiming to be holier-than-us & spewing hate). If you still wanna do those things, it's a heck of a lot more acceptable with society at large if you just admit it and do it, as long as you still provide for your kids and have relationships with them, as well as help Anna out with some alimony at least for a little bit while she gets on her feet. (And also stop saying anything critical of gay marriage, etc.) You might hurt your family and your wife by doing this. But it's better to do it now, get the hurt over & done, and start living the life you truly want rather than going through this cycle of hiding your desires, resentment,sinning, apologizing, hurting loved ones, and eventually ending up divorcing in 20-30 years. You're still young and regardless of what your homeschool education was like, I don't think you're dumb. Start at community college and then a four year university, then law school at night. This is still your life and you still have the opportunity to live it as you want with most people not judging as long as you do right by Anna and the kids. Let Anna go and she can live her own life, too. You both deserve that. Your kids deserve for you to not be a pent up ball of resentment and hate who constantly has to seek forgiveness for the same types of sins/constantly hurt their mother. 20 Link to comment
Muffyn September 14, 2015 Share September 14, 2015 I'm not a big fan of Josh, but I don't know that he deserves what is coming to him. He's going to be the scapegoat for every single problem that that family has until JB and J'chelle are dead and buried. I think that the older children are going to have plenty of problems as they transition into the Duggar version of adult life, but I think that the younger, feral kids are going to be a real mess. JB and J'chelle will never be forced to take any responsibility for any of it, either. It will all be Josh's fault. "If we just had our television show, and that extra income, Josie wouldn't be working a pole right now!" Josie is not going to end up working a pole. She'll work in a diner cleaning the counters with her tongue. She's a natural! 11 Link to comment
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