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Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House


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1 hour ago, truebluesmoky said:

There’s been some talk of it being weird that Jessa gave birth in a dress, but I’m almost positive she was wearing a birthing gown, like this one on Amazon. It has buttons down the back like a hospital gown and buttons on the front for breastfeeding access.

my DIL had a cute "birthing gown" I just thought it was a floral print hospital gown that she ordered so as not to wear just the plain ones. I had no idea it was called a birthing gown & it was cute 🙂  oh & she was in the hospital with real dr's & nurses 😉 

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I don't care how many pads you put down...there is no way I'd want to deliver a baby on my couch.  I've only had one kid but that amount of fluids that came out of me was astounding.  I remember thinking what an epic mess it was making- and I was in a hospital!  It bothers me how the Duggars think they are above hospitals but go running there when something goes wrong.

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It looked like they only went to the hospital because Ben called it, & the midwives seemed the least concerned. One of them should have been in the ambulance with her due to them, supposedly, having medical knowledge of Jessa having done her prenatal care. But instead they're holding up the baby for the camera while mom is whisked off to the ER - very unprofessional, but then, probably shouldn't expect better from the lay midwives - at least they were still in the house when medics showed up.

There's a huge difference in knowledge between lay midwives & certified nurse midwives - I seriously doubt a CNM working under an OB would have attended her at home; past hemorrhaging raises risk which typically means no more home birth.

I agree with others this is a very strange "plan B" - typically it goes the other way - plan for home, end up at hospital, not plan for hospital, if it doesn't work out stay home - WTF? That does seem very off.

Headship needs to use his common sense here - which he seems to have some since he pushed for the 911 call - & put the brakes on anymore home birthing.

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2 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Where are they going to put all these kids ? Their house is small.

I think they’ll be fine in that house for a while with three kids when number four comes along though they should move.

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When I was growing up we had neighbors with 10 kids in a three bedroom house. They figured it out. 

Our next door neighbors had 6 still at home in a three bedroom house and they used bunk beds. 

I was an only child in a three bedroom house and we never seemed to have enough room. Go figure!!

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The mold house only has 2 bedrooms right?  They will need something bigger now that they have a daughter.   I am not someone who thinks kids can't share a room, but I do think the sexes need to have separate spaces. 

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38 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The mold house only has 2 bedrooms right?  They will need something bigger now that they have a daughter.   I am not someone who thinks kids can't share a room, but I do think the sexes need to have separate spaces. 

You meant genders, right? Doesn’t Jessa use one of the rooms as a guest room? You know, for all her guests.

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They've talked about building an addition onto the Mold House on top of the carport/garage.

I think it's more realistic that they'll be given one of the other properties and will sell the Mold House to whomever courts next. Although Jason already has a house, correct?

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6 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

They've talked about building an addition onto the Mold House on top of the carport/garage.

I could see enclosing the carport. It would be off the kitchen, correct? I’d make it a playroom. 😁

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5 hours ago, PradaKitty said:

When I was growing up we had neighbors with 10 kids in a three bedroom house. They figured it out. 

Our next door neighbors had 6 still at home in a three bedroom house and they used bunk beds. 

I was an only child in a three bedroom house and we never seemed to have enough room. Go figure!!

I have a ton of neighbors in my building who live in small 1 bedrooms with 3-5 kids. The kitchens don’t even have space for a table. I wonder where they all sleep.

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Add me to the list of :

"people who are grossed out with the couch birth"

Those pads did not look like they provided adequate coverage.  I have had vaginal births and a lot of body fluid was involved.  I bled a lot also and there was a HUGE mess all over the floor. 

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8 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The mold house only has 2 bedrooms right?  They will need something bigger now that they have a daughter.   I am not someone who thinks kids can't share a room, but I do think the sexes need to have separate spaces.

Very true.

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Is anyone else not buying the "didn't go to a hospital because the person who was supposed to help is out of town" excuse for ANOTHER home birth? She had zero you know whats to give about a home birth for Henry even after the Spurgeon birth emergency, I am supposed to believe she was going to go a hospital given how much better it went with Henry? I still just don't get it. You still get the baby checked out so why not just play it safe and have a hospital birth?

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9 hours ago, doodlebug said:

As for the midwives not traveling in the ambulance with Jessa, chances are, there are rules against it.  EMT's, once they're called, are supposed to handle things without any input from bystanders, even ones who claim to be medical professionals.

Reason I wrote that is I was reading online & for transfers EMT's were saying the midwife was a good one to bring for medical info about the pregnancy, not to tell them what to do of course, but that policy may vary depending on the company. I watch Live Rescue & they are typically accepting of helpful information from those close to the patient (not just bystanders of course).

ETA: I don't know but bet most if not all of the midwives (or at least the lay ones) do not ride with the mother, given they are usually working under the radar.

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1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Something about this post made me really sad for Jessa. I feel like if she had just been given a decent education and a chance to hope for a bigger life, she could have been a happier person. Instead, she got stuffed into the Gothard box and had all her spirit and potential stomped out. I normally find her kind of smug and annoying; not sure what it was about this post that brought out my empathy.

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4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Henry looks like a cherub.  He is a beautiful little boy.  They both are, but Henry is extraordinary IMO.

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2 hours ago, jcbrown said:

Something about this post made me really sad for Jessa. I feel like if she had just been given a decent education and a chance to hope for a bigger life, she could have been a happier person. Instead, she got stuffed into the Gothard box and had all her spirit and potential stomped out. I normally find her kind of smug and annoying; not sure what it was about this post that brought out my empathy.

I hear you. The Duggar kids were all cheated by their parents' self-centeredness. Jessa has a chance to make her children's lives better. I hope she does. Get these children a real education and some friends outside the crop circle. 

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4 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Someone commented on that, and Jessa said it was Josie’s.

I hope that means they are less fanatical about gender roles than their upbringing dictates. I don't expect it, I just hope it.

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I wonder if Jessa wanted an ambulance also?

It seemed like Ben pushed for the ambulance but maybe Jessa was scared after Spurgeon? Maybe they talked things out and had a loose plan?

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58 minutes ago, jcbrown said:

I hope that means they are less fanatical about gender roles than their upbringing dictates. I don't expect it, I just hope it.

Yeah that pleasantly surprised me and makes me think/hope that Jessa and Ben might be a little less uptight about that stuff than how they were raised. Or at least than Jessa was raised. With Ben's sisters, I can't figure out if they were raised to be more independent or if they're just breaking out of the mold on their own. Either way, I hope they're a good influence on Jessa and aren't judged as godless hussies for, you know, having real jobs. 

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Honestly, if there is any couple that will take an egalitarian approach to gender, I think it will be Jessa and Ben. Jessa has such a dominant personality, and Ben seems so easygoing, that they just seem less patriarchal than some of the other couples. Plus they are the only couple where the wife is older than the husband, and I think there is something psychological about the older spouse assuming more control compared to the younger spouse.

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18 hours ago, doodlebug said:

I'm presuming Ben witnessed that and it scared the Bejesus out of him and he decided that he would take things into his own hands if need be.  Good for him.

He did, and it did - as I remember it, he was kind of a nervous wreck about and dreading her labor with Henry, and visibly, openly emotional about it. But I’m not sure he was yet at the point of taking things into his own hands, either - based on what we saw him say, and his tone, I don’t think he was at the point of picking up the phone himself had Jessa, Jill, whoever not agreed in short enough order. (We didn’t hear anyone else before or after his vote to go to the hospital to check and make sure things were ok.) One would *hope* that between seeing Ben last time, his homebirth mood as it seemed to us this time, and knowing she needed a transfusion with #1 that Jessa was inclined to give on going in relatively quickly.

I figure there’s every chance with her shoddy prenatal care that, with one hemorrhage and one problem-free delivery, no one has actually impressed into them that she’s at increased risk and needs an IV with pitocin standing by. But the same complication with two out of three births doesn’t leave any logical excuse if they’re not at a real birthing center attached to a hospital next time. (I mean, I don’t think a lot of things in their world are logical, but Jessa loves her existing kids and Ben and doesn’t have a death wish, and Ben loves Jessa, so even meeting them where they are, 2/3 with the same problem - and they also have google to know it’s a big problem - would make it indefensibly idiotic the next time.)

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Labor and delivery with no pain control is no picnic. Maybe with three home births under her belt Jessa will stop having children. She has her girl now, so if she can shake the quiverfull, she can close up shop. But that would likely mean no more TLC. 

It's a sad life when the two biggest pulls to have children have nothing to do with actually wanting them.

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Labor and delivery with no pain control is no picnic. Maybe with three home births under her belt Jessa will stop having children. She has her girl now, so if she can shake the quiverfull, she can close up shop. But that would likely mean no more TLC. 

It's a sad life when the two biggest pulls to have children have nothing to do with actually wanting them.

With all the newer grandchildren coming along, I don't think the TLC deal is dependent on Jessa's having more kids...At this point, I would imagine that having a Duggar do something unexpected would be just as much or more of a draw as watching them pump out more kids and do pretty much nothing but wait to see what God has in store for them (the standard on that as well seems to have been "pretty much nothing"). A renegade Duggar would at least shake things up a bit.

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26 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

With all the newer grandchildren coming along, I don't think the TLC deal is dependent on Jessa's having more kids...At this point, I would imagine that having a Duggar do something unexpected would be just as much or more of a draw as watching them pump out more kids and do pretty much nothing but wait to see what God has in store for them (the standard on that as well seems to have been "pretty much nothing"). A renegade Duggar would at least shake things up a bit.

Sadly for Jessa it won't be her. Even if she stops at three kids nothing will change. Jessa appears to have no motivation beyond sitting on a couch watching her children grow. 

I had babies close in age, as did a few of my friends and our lives did not stop because we were 'too busy' with all that comes with being stay-at-home moms. 

I can't imagine how Jessa's life will look in twenty or so years. I doubt her and Ben will be able to maintain even lower middle class income once the TLC money stops coming in. She'll likely be sitting on the same couch where she gave birth to her kids with very few options in front of her.

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12 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

I hear you. The Duggar kids were all cheated by their parents' self-centeredness. Jessa has a chance to make her children's lives better. I hope she does. Get these children a real education and some friends outside the crop circle. 

I honestly can’t see Jessa wanting to break away at all even for her kids sakes, I think she likes her life and what she knows, I can’t see her wanting her kids socialising with others outside their group, ignorance is bliss.

12 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

I just noticed that he’s wearing a girl’s top.  Lol

I only noticed because of the sleeves but I guess they thought Blue for a boy that’s fine.

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Did anyone else catch the after birth party food at Jessa's house?  There was a pan of cinnamon rolls (probably from a can) and a container of green beans!

A Howler was eating the green beans with his fingers so I'm assuming they were the famous Duggar pickled green beans.  They made them on an episode, dumping can of beans and adding vinegar.

Cinnamon rolls and pickled green beans.  What party food!

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18 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Considering the worst ever flooding which has occured in Arkansas this year, including a levee bursting just north of Little Rock destroying entire  neighborhoods,  she comes across even more ignorant than usual.

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14 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Someone commented on that, and Jessa said it was Josie’s.

Josie is like 10 years old and they dress her in clothing two sizes too big. That shirt is a size 3, 4 at most, so they've had that shirt hanging around for over 5 years? The fact that Jessa answered the post makes me think she didn't realize it was a boy's top when she bought it. Jinger and Jessa were shown getting rid of clothes during an episode and talked about how they regularly toss out clothes.

She's probably deleting any pics with Spurgie wearing it as we speak.

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14 hours ago, jcbrown said:

I hope that means they are less fanatical about gender roles than their upbringing dictates. I don't expect it, I just hope it.

It would make my decade if Henry turned out to be trans or fluid.

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So if Jessa thinks she is happy, is she really happy?  I guess I would say unless she has internal dialogue with herself (not likely, but possible) she is happy enough with her situation.  I *think* I am happy in my life.  But, am I really?  Y'all might look at it and say "what's wrong with her, she can't be happy in her life".  

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24 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

It would make my decade if Henry turned out to be trans or fluid.

An the whole Duggar family would really believe it was caused by Jessa putting Harry in a girly shirt with puffy sleeves and ruching.

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On 6/22/2019 at 8:21 AM, doodlebug said:

Ben's quick action may be the reason Jessa didn't need a transfusion this time.  I only have experience with lay midwifery/homebirth patients who end up in the hospital but there is one common theme:  in virtually every case, the midwives were reluctant to admit that things were getting out of hand, that maybe a more qualified practitioner or medical interventions were needed and not available at home, time was lost and the problems escalated. I wouldn't be surprised if, with Spurgeon, the midwives putzed around doing half measures, insisting things were getting better until it was obviously an emergency.  I'm presuming Ben witnessed that and it scared the Bejesus out of him and he decided that he would take things into his own hands if need be.  Good for him.

A few years ago I fell down the natural childbirth social media rabbit hole, and a very common suggestion for hemorrhage was to chew a piece of placenta. And now I have this image of that Teresa woman shoving a piece of placenta in Jessa's mouth and that's why she was so unbothered by the bleeding, because the natural cure was going to work any minute.

On 6/22/2019 at 6:48 PM, jcbrown said:

Something about this post made me really sad for Jessa. I feel like if she had just been given a decent education and a chance to hope for a bigger life, she could have been a happier person. Instead, she got stuffed into the Gothard box and had all her spirit and potential stomped out. I normally find her kind of smug and annoying; not sure what it was about this post that brought out my empathy.

All the kids are a bag of wasted potential but I've always felt that most strongly about Jessa. For all the comments about her being smug, it says something pretty extraordinary about her that even with her horrific upbringing, she still manages to not fall in line with the expectations of her gender when it comes to her personality. She's not keeping sweet for any-damn-body. It's just a shame that upbringing worked in the sense of keeping her world as small as possible. She really doesn't like anything outside her circle. 

11 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

With all the newer grandchildren coming along, I don't think the TLC deal is dependent on Jessa's having more kids...At this point, I would imagine that having a Duggar do something unexpected would be just as much or more of a draw as watching them pump out more kids and do pretty much nothing but wait to see what God has in store for them (the standard on that as well seems to have been "pretty much nothing"). A renegade Duggar would at least shake things up a bit.

And that more than anything is why I think the TLC money is not what keeps them in line. Because the kidults HAVE to know that they could make a very good living for themselves for at least a couple of years if they openly broke from the family's lifestyle. That none of them have proves to me that they are all true believers to their core.

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34 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Oh DEAR GOD...like having just shoved a human out of your nethers and bleeding profusely isn’t enough fun and games???? “Here, chew this bloody piece of your own body part, that’ll fix it right up!!!

Who makes up this shit and why do they hate women????

iT's nAtuRaL!

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