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59 minutes ago, Artymouse said:

I’m still a newbie, so here’s my question: players talk a lot about “sitting next to” someone at final tribal council. What is the significance of that? And are they speaking literally about sitting next to a specific person?

It's just an "insider" way of saying they want to be still active in the game at final tribal council (whether there are two or three finalists).  

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1 hour ago, Artymouse said:

And are they speaking literally about sitting next to a specific person?

To a certain degree, yes, it is literal. 

It was absolutely literal when Survivor started, because there were only 2 finalists.  So they would literally be sitting next to each other at FTC while getting questioned by the jury.

With 3 people at FTC, they all sit in a single file line.  Technically, the only one sitting next to both the others in that configuration is the one in the center.  But, since they're all there in the finals, they're all "sitting next to each other" regardless of the actual seating arrangement.

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3 hours ago, Artymouse said:

I’m still a newbie, so here’s my question: players talk a lot about “sitting next to” someone at final tribal council. What is the significance of that? And are they speaking literally about sitting next to a specific person?

1 hour ago, SVNBob said:

To a certain degree, yes, it is literal. 

It was absolutely literal when Survivor started, because there were only 2 finalists.  So they would literally be sitting next to each other at FTC while getting questioned by the jury.

With 3 people at FTC, they all sit in a single file line.  Technically, the only one sitting next to both the others in that configuration is the one in the center.  But, since they're all there in the finals, they're all "sitting next to each other" regardless of the actual seating arrangement.

Correct.  

In short, there are two seating options at FTC: with the rest of the Jury, or with the rest of the finalists - and most savvy players are shooting for the latter. 😉 

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It’s really part of the contestants’ strategy. When someone says that s/he has to consider who s/he wants to be sitting next to at the final tribal council, s/he means that not only does s/he want to be one of the finalists, she wants to do whatever s/he can to ensure the other two are people s/he has a pretty good chance of winning against. So, at this stage, the remaining players probably wouldn’t want to be sitting next to Devens because most of the jury seems impressed with him and would want to sit next to Julie because she’s seen as ineffective.

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We're  just over a month away from S39, so let's go ahead and add its' initialization to the list.  In fact, since this is on page 2, how about a collected list of season initializations including S39? 

  • AO - Australian Outback (S2). [note: as opposed to AUS, which usually indicates a season of the Australian-produced version of Survivor.]
  • PI - Pearl Islands (S7).
  • AS - All-Stars (S8). [note: also known as ASS, for All-Star Survivor, and as a meta-commentary about how the season was received for a while.]
  • CI - Cook Islands (S13).
  • FvF - Fans Versus Favorites (aka Micronesia) (S16).
  • HvV- Heroes Versus Villains (S20).
  • RI - Redemption Island (S22).  [note: also used for the concept of Redemption Island in other seasons.]
  • SP - South Pacific (S23).
  • OW - One World (S24).
  • BvW1 - Blood vs Water (S27). [note: the season of returnees and their family members.]
  • SJDS - San Juan del Sur (S29). [note: see next entry.]
  • BvW2 - Blood vs Water 2, aka San Juan del Sur (S29).  [note: all new players, but in familial pairs.]
  • WA - Worlds Apart (S30).
  • SC - Second Chance (aka Cambodia) (S31).
  • KR - Kaoh Rong (S32).
  • MvGX - Millenials Versus Generation X (S33).
  • GC - Game Changers (S34).
  • HvHvH - Heroes Versus Healers Versus Hustlers (S35).
  • GI - Ghost Island (S36).
  • DvG - David Versus Goliath (S37).
  • EoE - Edge of Extinction (S38).
  • IotI or IoI - Island of the Idols (S39).

Any seasons not on this list are typically known either by the full name of their location without any abbreviation or initialization (ex: Borneo, Africa, etc.), or just by the season number.

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Question from seeing another post.  What is considered "new school" v. "old school"?  Is it when the Hidden Immunity Idol was introduced, i.e. anyone after Guatamala S9 is considered "new school"?  That would be a lot of people considered "new school."

How does that effect certain people who played early and late, i.e. Boston Rob?

Or is "new school" even new?  like S20 and later?

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8 hours ago, Hanahope said:

What is considered "new school" v. "old school"? 

It's hard to draw a bright line because they started introducing twists as early as season 3 with the first tribe shuffle, so the only two really "pure" seasons were Borneo and Outback. But I'd say "old school" had more of an emphasis on the social aspect of the game (and Jeff talked about it a lot more at TC in those early seasons), whereas "new school" prioritizes HII play and maneuvering around various twists. I'd put the beginning of new school a little later than Guatemala though because those first few seasons after the HII was introduced, they limited its use enough that it wasn't the huge factor it later became. I might put new school at around the Samoa season, with Russell's idol play making the players that followed him (and, to some extent, the producers) think finding idols was the end-all be-all of the game rather than the social aspect.  Certainly by the time of Nicaragua and the introduction of dumb twists like the Medallion of Power and players just openly being assholes, I'd say old school was dead.

But I think we're past new school now and into ... I don't even know. Postmodern Survivor, maybe. Firemaking at F4, HII nullifiers, Edge of Extinction and players who never leave. Not only is the social aspect almost completely devalued, but strategy is less important as well. They're both still factors, but having good luck has moved from being a more or less important aspect of a winning game to an absolute necessity. EoE's Chris, who only played the main game for a few days, is about as random a winner as we could ever have.

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Less than a week to go for the new season, so it's probably time to add its initialism to the list.

WaW: Winners at War (S40)

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10 minutes ago, cherrypj said:

Nothing new here, still maybe worth a read.

Not really.  It doesn't include "Plan Voodoo" and they misspelled "fixin's".  Waste of bandwidth; 0/10.

 

/sarcasm

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