S05.E13: That's The Way Love Goes

[Tara Ariano]

Javi returns to work, leaving Kailyn with the children; Jo finds a new apartment; things get worse between Nathan and Jenelle; Chelsea receives news about Adam; Leah learns the cause of Ali's illness.

[Tara Ariano]

Here's my post on the season finale!

[DangerousMinds]

I can only hope Jenelle puts her new baby up for adoption immediately, because there's no hope for him otherwise. And poor Jace.

[patrice]

Jenelle's logic never ceases to amaze. "They said they were going to arrest me, I told them to go ahead and then they arrested me". 

[SunnyBeBe]

With Jenelle there's an upside to your kid seeing you get arrested. "Well, at least he got to see there are consequences for your actions."  Oh, Jenelle, that has never worked for you.  Her logic boggles the mind.

[purplemonkey]

Please tell me someone else noticed the satanic baby doll in the lower left corner of the screen during Leah's conversation with her sister. WTH was that?

Didn't it seem cruel for Jo to show Isaac his empty former room? Why not just go to the new house right away and start talking it up? Jo could have packed the toys himself and avoided dragging Isaac into it.

Note to MTV infographic and titles department: when the teen mom babies are old enough to be in cheerleading, it's time to take down the cheer pom out of the cutesy title page. That was originally there because of the teens that were in cheerleading.

Jenelle's best outfits are for court appearances and not for her career. I wish Barbara had not taken Jace, and forced Jenelle to deal with the consequences. Maybe that'd mean Jace in a foster home or something, but now look at where they're at. Barbara and all her complaining about Jenelle dating "losers". Does Barbara think Jenelle is a catch?

[shelley1234]

Didn't it seem cruel for Jo to show Isaac his empty former room? Why not just go to the new house right away and start talking it up? Jo could have packed the toys himself and avoided dragging Isaac into it.

 

I don't think it's cruel of Jo to bring Isaac to his old room at his parents' house.  Sure, it was hard, but I think for a child that age they really have to see that their old room isn't there in order to understand that the room is gone and now his room is at his dad's house.  It would be hard which is why Jo made sure to have some comfort toys there and give him time to react, but I thought it was a well thought out way to introduce him to how some things were changing in his life at Jo's.

[SPLAIN]

Jenelle's logic works for people in prison, where she should go. She mentioned something about her and Nathan needing to acquire jobs so they are not together so much. Is that why people work? So they are not slumming it at home, staring at each other all day?

I didn't think it was cruel of Jo to show Isaac his empty room. I think it was a brilliant idea to show him how things are changing, the whole house is empty, family is moving and it helps him to make the transistion instead of Isaac wondering why he can't go play in his room at his grandparents' house. If Jo hadn't shown him and told him, Isaac might be left wondering what happened to his room.

That heifer, Kail, can just go away now. I am so sick of her sour-puss face. Such a selfish and abusive person. I hope Dr. Drew doesn't let her get off easy with her abusive ways. What excuse will be given? Pregnancy hormones? Bipolar? Please! I am tired of her shit and her excuses.

[purplemonkey]

Ok, I just felt bad for Isaac when he was upset by the empty room, but that makes sense to me now, for him to see it for himself. Good point.

When Jo called Kailyn to ask how the baby was doing she didn't even say the word "thanks", not at the end of the call either. How hard is it to say "ok thanks, bye!" when you're hanging up a phone? Basic manners can go a long way towards improving a strained situation.

[StatisticalOutlier]

Jenelle's best outfits are for court appearances and not for her career.

From what I've seen, Jenelle's career IS court appearances.

 

I wish Barbara had not taken Jace, and forced Jenelle to deal with the consequences. Maybe that'd mean Jace in a foster home or something, but now look at where they're at.

I know foster care can be horrible, but it's not 100% guaranteed it's going to be horrible.  You could see from the very beginning that Jace's life was going to be horrible, either with Jenelle (for obvious reasons) or with Barbara (because she won't cut Jenelle out of their lives and doesn't look like she's be a very effective parent even in normal circumstances). 

Makes it interesting with respect to the new tot.  Jenelle clearly can't take care of it, and Barbara shouldn't take care of it because I doubt she's going to spontaneously develop a new set of parenting skills, making the new one just Jace 2.0.  Which is horrible. 

[Ladystardust]

Whoa, I noticed the satanic baby doll too! Thought maybe I was the only one. What the hell was that thing? Aren't her kids scared of it? I'd be freaked out to have it in my house and I'm a grown adult.

[OtterReality]

I was really trying to figure out what the hell that creepy baby doll thing was too. So much so that I wasn't paying attention to what Leah was saying, not that it makes much difference I guess.

Which brings me to my second point. There were a couple of times on this episode where Leah just lost her train of thought mid-speech. I'm too lazy to go back and find the specific instances but it was something like "I'm worried about the Dr. visit." blah blah and then "so that's why I love bananas" (paraphrasing). I was so confused. No wonder she and Jeremy have problems communicating.

I almost felt sorry for Jenelle with her "why can't you just love meeee?!" performance but then I remembered that Jenelle is an unlovable bitch and I suddenly had a craving for a banana.

[JoannKB]

Didn't it seem cruel for Jo to show Isaac his empty former room? Why not just go to the new house right away and start talking it up?

 

I think it was cruel. He should have shown Isaac the new room first with his things in it, to reassure him that he had a place to live and his bed didn't just disappear. Kids that age have a hard time understanding the concept of moving. They don't get that the things inside a house aren't part of the house.

When we told my 5 year-old we were going to move, he cried because he was going to miss his house. As I talked to him more about what he was going to miss, he said "My Legos, my bed, my toys...." All things that were going to move with us, but he had a hard time wrapping his brain around that concept. For days, he would ask me about every single thing: "Does this belong to the house, or is it moving with us?" The process of packing helped him understand that, and he made sure to tell the movers not to forget to bring his Legos and his bed and his stuffed animals.

If we wouldn't have been able to let him see that packing process, I definitely would not have just shown him his empty old room. I would have first shown him where his stuff is (in the new room).

[SPLAIN]

What I think is cruel, is the fact Kail is an abuser, and she blames her actions on Jo. That is cruel, asinine, deflecting and not taking ownership. Also, her trying to keep Isaac away from Jo, that falls under doing something cruel, IMO. I am sure all of that emotional, verbal and physical abuse is also happening in the presence of Lincoln and Isaac. How cruel that is for those poor kids.

Jo showing his child his empty room doesn't even fall under the perimeter of what I consider to be cruel or insensitive. It is important to show a child the stages of what is happening. I was once told it was bad to take my small child (when he was small) to a funeral. After talking to a therapist, I was told I did the right thing. I was told children need to face realities of life and it is important to not hide or keep things hidden from them. Uprooting a child without telling him/her why they are moving is an example. Going with that, I feel Jo showed Isaac how his family home is no longer the place where anyone will live, not just Isaac. Children, like Isaac, can draw their own conclusions based on little information and may get it all wrong. He may have concluded he was no longer going to see his grandma when in reality, grandma is no longer going to live there either. It is vital for Isaac to see all the pieces of the puzzle so he can put them all together in his mind.

[SunnyBeBe]

I've been a big Kailyn defender since day one.  I always gave the girl the benefit of the doubt and applauded her tenacity and desire to do better, but I have to do an about face now.  She's abusive from what she herself says, so, that's all I need to know. She seems to love having her buttons pushed and going off. She doesn't seem to want to work with Joe on co-parenting.. And  I predict she will be the same way when she splits with Javi.  So sad.  I bet Javi was warned though. Kailyn needs some major help.  I think recent events will provide Joe will ample evidence to modify custody of Isaac and I can't say that's a bad idea. 

[KYBlonde]

I'm pretty sure the creepy doll is like a voodoo doll of some kind that Gracie made in protest of the new baby. And Leah was "Wellll looky there! She is sooo creative!" and sat it out for everyone to see.

[FairyDusted]

haha.... Somebody on Twitter asked about the freaky doll. She said it was for a Halloween decoration. No way would I want that thing in my room. The funny thing was the camera got it for a haha. Maybe making fun of "Leuhs" ever changing troll look. Not on trend at all sweetheart.