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The Most Unsympathetic Victims Thread!

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In case anyone else wants to de-lurk: The discussion that @Maherjunkie and I had about "World's Fair" and all the lousy people in that one made me think of posting this. Besides that episode, what episode(s) had the most unsympathetic victims/families of victims?

Another that comes to mind for me is easily Boz Burnham from "Lady's Man", considering it was thought he killed wife #1. (Too bad he died by the looney tunes ADA who was a part of his original trial, but hey...)

I'm sure there are a lot more where those two episodes came from. So chat about those who were not necessarily "dearly" departed here!

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5 hours ago, whimsey98 said:

Oh, I didn't grieve much when it was suggested Nicole Wallace had been killed (I should admire her determined resilience but I just never liked her). 

You have good taste.  :-)

The victim in "Icarus", I didn't hate him nor like him. He was just there for me. Maybe that's worse. But Miles Stone from "Vanishing Act" did seem like an arrogant tool, so good pick.

Ditto "Weeping Willow", @Maherjunkie! I wanted to punch Willow repeatedly. But maybe that was meant to play that way, considering she did get someone killed.

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On 7/12/2016 at 2:38 AM, Maherjunkie said:

And had a deviousness that never ended.  It didn't occur to me until later she had stolen the money from the DigiPay account.  I bet her little movie flopped because people had basically seen it.

I couldn't believe Larry King agreed to cameo. Weird episode. The Anna Nicole copycat episode, "Bombshell" is on now. Poor Logan and Wheeler. And that "newborn" baby in it is at least four months old!

Lorelai (the Anna Nicole clone) didn't seem all that sympathetic to me, either, so this is on topic.  :-)

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3 hours ago, Maherjunkie said:

Stealing Logan's watch, shame! shame!  Loved the scene with the cat though.  You know I didn't make Ronnie as the killer in either scenario.

Mentioning the cat reminds me of Logan being dragged around by the dog on the leash in "Renewal". Logan always seems to have fun with furry creatures.

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Mainly because the actress playing Willow, Michelle Trachtenberg, played the character as a fame-hungry shallow bitch and the whole thing just seemed so over the top and phony!

I'm with Logan. Show me a body with some blood on it. Hee. The cyber crime stuff may happen in real life, but it makes for boring TV!

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11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Mainly because the actress playing Willow, Michelle Trachtenberg, played the character as a fame-hungry shallow bitch and the whole thing just seemed so over the top and phony!

Trachtenberg must have been gearing up for Gossip Girl, where she played Georgina Sparks, a similar character. I had forgotten she showed up on L & ): CI.

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21 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Trachtenberg must have been gearing up for Gossip Girl, where she played Georgina Sparks, a similar character. I had forgotten she showed up on L & ): CI.

I remember her as a young girl when she was on (the now-defunct) All My Children. But I was rooting for the "kidnappers" to off Willow, and I doubt that's what the show was going for!

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14 hours ago, whimsey98 said:

I must have something against men of a certain age, because I also found the two frat boys from "Tomorrow" to be unsympathetic victims.  They couldn't have been more stereotypical of a certain kind of guy who drinks, chases women to score sexual points, and takes advantage of their family.  Unfortunately, the more sympathetic sister was also murdered, though I am at a loss why she seemed to be at her sleazy brother's beck and call.  I wouldn't have been at all sad had the arrogant and selfish mothers been offed, but I guess that was a murder or two too far.  I felt sorry for the wispy children left behind -- one can only hope future nannies were chosen with more care.

Noelle Beck was good at playing the icy "stepmonster" in "Tomorrow". Recognized her right off the bat when she appeared in "Rispetto" as Debra Brite in S10. (But she is another actress who has been all over the whole franchise...)

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15 hours ago, whimsey98 said:

Unfortunately, the more sympathetic sister was also murdered, though I am at a loss why she seemed to be at her sleazy brother's beck and call

They probably bonded when their parents divorced and their dad remarried and had a second family, etc. But I'll agree that I never got why the sister was murdered.

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15 hours ago, whimsey98 said:

Now it does occur to me that her brother did NOT text her but it was one of the sisters in order to lure her back.

I thought Hannah said as much at the very end, when she was detailing what happened. Hannah said Sarah gave her the phone number since she (Hannah) didn't know it.

So I think Hannah texted the sister, pretending it was the brother. So it wasn't a case of the sister just being there. She was lured there. So, yeah, to me, her death still made no sense as it was never said the sister even knew Hannah and Sarah that well beyond them as nannies.

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3 hours ago, Maherjunkie said:

I wonder why Nicole would do that or even show up at that point?

Just to keep the Nicole "mystique" alive, I guess. Even if I thought she was becoming a lazy plot point. (But take that with my anti-Nicole bias!)

Another somewhat non-sympathetic victim was the con-woman in "Collective", the episode with the vampire crap. Did she deserve to be locked in a box and die as she did? No, but she did cause another man to be killed by faking the sound of a gun through a door and was fleecing other guys, so...

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11 hours ago, whimsey98 said:

Actually I thought the whole little performance set up to nudge Hannah into a confession wasn't necessarily an honest portrayal of the father's interest in his nanny

Yeah, that was all murky to me. On the one hand, the father hired a top-notch defense attorney and he and his wife even talked about how appreciative Sarah was about the sweater they had given her.

But on the other hand, the wife also called them "monsters" and Goren did tell Mr. Davenport that he (Goren) "would need his help later", so I wonder if that was all a ruse or if the Davenports were sincere in getting Sarah off.

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I loved Eames sort of because she was a hard ass. Makes sense, coming from a family of cops! Her sarcasm rocked. Her soft spots seemed to be her nephew, dead hubby Joe (see "Amends"), and Bobby.

In terms of Bobby, probably because his life turned to shit, and she felt the need to try to help him and cared what happened to him, unlike his family, etc.

And to be fair, at the very start of the series, Alex seemed...uptight or whatnot and very "by the book" or gave that vibe. Which is why when that letter in "Wee..." was brought up in court, it completely fit with Early Alex to me. I think being partnered with Bobby showed her shades of gray beyond the black/white scenario to things...

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3 hours ago, whimsey98 said:

Why I didn't like Eames at the beginning....she seemed too closed off, too cold, and somehow lacking in personality. 

I think the thaw came quickly in S1, but yeah, VERY early on, Eames seemed - as I said - sort of rigid and stock "woman in a man's world" cop. I give Kathryn Erbe credit for giving Alex facets. Eventually, Alex's more stable traits seemed to complement Bobby's more manic cop style.

I recall reading they were modeled after Holmes and Watson, and it translated well, to me!

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11 hours ago, Maherjunkie said:

For some reason I found the brother in Ten Count unsympathetic.  Whiny and not forthcoming.  The girlfriend not a total prize either.  Thoughts?

I get where you're coming from, but I think what saved the brother for me is that he really did apparently love and mourn his brother. Or why beat the guy that killed him to death, you know?

As I said, I think Logan saw his younger self in the kid, the hotheadedness and lack of self control. Just a shame his guidance was wasted in the end.

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I would think that crime would be a "crime of passion", anyway, if not outright justifiable homicide since the coach did kill his brother, but who knows. Makes me wonder what kind of punishment he got in the end.

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I bet he would guide him in prison.

 

I like the way he stood up for the irritating  girlfriend  when she entered the room.  Smiley here.

 

Not probable, but not IMpossible.

For some reason it wouldn't let me UNquote myself.

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11 hours ago, Maherjunkie said:

I bet he would guide him in prison.

 

I like the way he stood up for the irritating  girlfriend  when she entered the room.  Smiley here.

 

Not probable, but not IMpossible.

For some reason it wouldn't let me UNquote myself.

 

The quoting goes wonky every now and then. I have no idea why!

But to go back on topic, I guess the boxing guys aren't so unsympathetic, after all. But that's okay: They're plenty of those folks on this show, a la Boz Burnham and a bunch more...

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50 minutes ago, Maherjunkie said:

Yes but considering the circumstances after she left.  she should have spoken up.  Her boyfriend could have gotten a new trainer.

Plus I hate the "I'm not a career woman like you" line.  Ok Phyllis Schafly .

True, I'll grant you she should have said something. But maybe she was afraid the coach would have ended up just as he did: Dead, but by her boyfriend's hand (who would end up murdered himself, ironically) and she didn't want to risk it, maybe.

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16 hours ago, Maherjunkie said:

He thought she planted it, I guess to draw something out of him.

Another reason to not like the little twerp.

Ah, okay. I did wish Mike would have slapped him upside the head now and then. His tantrums did get old, fast.

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On 8/22/2016 at 0:08 AM, Maherjunkie said:

Agree, but we rarely see Logan be tender, so it was worth it.

True. Logan usually was about the sarcasm and snark, like Lennie. I kinda wish he got to interact with kids, as G/E sometimes did.

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I'm bad with episode names, so hopefully you'll know who I'm talking about....

The woman who let her husband take the rap for the murder she committed, she was in porn films and was ready to ditch him and her sick child to hop a bus to fame. She was so whiney and needy when she was really cold-blooded.

The guy who killed a woman he thought was an online girlfriend to his business partner. They had an online game business and he was constantly working on the bots, to the point he never saw his wife, and his partner had lost a lot of weight and was getting ready to move to Europe. I didn't care for either guy, no idea why.

The nutty woman who wanted to be an actress on Broadway and her husband had died (great scene of Goren dancing -- he likes to dance), and her twitchy manager with the facial tic whose mother was killed. Both were totally unlikeable.

On several episodes, Faith Yancey, the TV broadcaster who is a clone of Nancy Grace. She wasn't a victim, I just never liked her.

Robby, the skinny computer nerd, who was manipulated by his crazy therapist. Yet he's out there killing people.

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10 hours ago, cooksdelight said:

I'm bad with episode names, so hopefully you'll know who I'm talking about....

The woman who let her husband take the rap for the murder she committed, she was in porn films and was ready to ditch him and her sick child to hop a bus to fame. She was so whiney and needy when she was really cold-blooded.

The guy who killed a woman he thought was an online girlfriend to his business partner. They had an online game business and he was constantly working on the bots, to the point he never saw his wife, and his partner had lost a lot of weight and was getting ready to move to Europe. I didn't care for either guy, no idea why.

The nutty woman who wanted to be an actress on Broadway and her husband had died (great scene of Goren dancing -- he likes to dance), and her twitchy manager with the facial tic whose mother was killed. Both were totally unlikeable.

On several episodes, Faith Yancey, the TV broadcaster who is a clone of Nancy Grace. She wasn't a victim, I just never liked her.

Robby, the skinny computer nerd, who was manipulated by his crazy therapist. Yet he's out there killing people.

  • The first one I recognize but believe that was SVU, not CI. But I remember it, if not the title.
  • The second one rings no bells at all, but again, it may be SVU or the Mothership!
  • This one, I do know! (Yay!) It was "Unrequitted". And that was the first case with Eames after KE returned from her maternity leave. So maybe Bobby was dancing because she was back and Bishop was gone. :-P  (Kidding! But it was strange how he sort of danced in a circle there with some hand moves. Watching Bobby dance is always a treat!)
  • Faith Yancy was damned annoying, but the actress sold the hell out of it. And, hey, she made that last for 3 seasons. Not bad! (She got the Nancy-isms down cold, too.)
  • Ah, "Scared Crazy". I did feel sorry for Robby since his shrink seemed to torture him until he snapped. I said this somewhere in the thread before, but the actress playing Robby's sister, Sienna, looked like a young Kyra Sedgwick to me!
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The guy who killed a woman he thought was an online girlfriend to his business partner. They had an online game business and he was constantly working on the bots, to the point he never saw his wife, and his partner had lost a lot of weight and was getting ready to move to Europe. I didn't care for either guy, no idea why

I had to dig, it was "F.P.S." with Jack Cadogan as the guy who lost the weight and was shipping his Ferrari or Mazareti (I'm not a car freak, LOL) over to Europe, which sent his wimp partner Neil over the edge.

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On 8/23/2016 at 7:06 PM, Maherjunkie said:

When he was with that girl on the mothership, he was gold!  That sneaky smile when he says "So you do know him?" was priceless.

What season/episode was that?

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