Jump to content

Type keyword(s) to search

S03.E14: Reunion Part 2


  • Reply
  • Start Topic

Recommended Posts

Kathryn is back home with her parents, as that is the only way she can see her children, with their supervision. Thomas pays for the nannies, whether they are at his house or her parents' home. Kathryn said that he pays for them at the reunion show. He's paid for the one that's been with Kensie since birth, when they were at his plantation home.

  • Love 3
Link to comment
3 hours ago, nexxie said:

Why didn't Thomas insist on birth control - he said in an interview that he was always careful when he was young. imo it looks like he took advantage of her naivety and rocky mental health in order to have kids. 

You know, I’ve wondered that too. Dude spent, what?, thirty years (much of it in a cocaine-laden haze) sleeping around with anybody that would have him, yet managed not to have any children as a result (that we know about, anyway…). But was suddenly confused at the idea of tossing on a condom when Kathryn walks in the room? Even after already knocking her up once? I never really bought that storyline.

  • Love 11
Link to comment

Yeah, TRav is a moron. The thing that grinds my gears, though, is that Kathryn feels she has a hold over him and can say what he may do and what he may not do. She flies into rages and, yes, blocks doors, when she doesn't like what he says. She needs to understand that they must learn to co-parent, but their lives don't have to intersect. I am glad they went to court and I rather imagine they'll be returning often. Kathryn seems to think that because she is the baby mama that she can call the shots on TRav. Not gonna happen nor should it. I believe it's better for Kathryn to have supervised visits; she has no idea what parenting is about. Hell, she doesn't even know how to act like an adult. Yeah, I know she has some issues. She should work on them and get her meds fixed. I am not at all sympathetic to either one of them. TRav's expressions when Kathryn was being so emotive were priceless.

  • Love 10
Link to comment
20 minutes ago, wovenloaf said:

You know, I’ve wondered that too. Dude spent, what?, thirty years (much of it in a cocaine-laden haze) sleeping around with anybody that would have him, yet managed not to have any children as a result (that we know about, anyway…). But was suddenly confused at the idea of tossing on a condom when Kathryn walks in the room? Even after already knocking her up once? I never really bought that storyline.

I think he realized he wanted kids, wanted to carry on the Ravenel name, and she is a scion in his mind.  Without the Calhoun lineage, she is just another pretty young girl, like the ones in the street he was trying to chat up, that he wanted to have sex with.  He's a moron.

  • Love 14
Link to comment

I think that Thomas keeps fanning the flames between Kathryn and Landon because it boosts his ego to have two women who are young enough to be his daughters fighting over him. 

  • Love 13
Link to comment
4 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

It seemed silly to have Jennifer back and not JD or Dani.  

JD was on the show quite often this season, it would have been fun to have him at the reunion. Dani barely said two words the entire season, she was basically background filler so I don't think she would have anything to bring to the reunion. And Jennifer... sorry about her difficult pregnancy, and possible baby with a disability but please she was a shit stirrer all season long....she must have something big, big, big on TRav for him to have turned the tables and speak so highly of her all of a sudden. Kathryn, too. Wasn't she blowing Jennifer off at the end of the season, now they're besties again. C'mon something's going on there...

  • Love 5
Link to comment
2 hours ago, Summerday said:

I think that Thomas keeps fanning the flames between Kathryn and Landon because it boosts his ego to have two women who are young enough to be his daughters fighting over him. 

That, and maybe he used Landon to purposely get under Kathryn's skin, hoping she'd lose it and use so she'd fail her drug test. Who knows, maybe his goal is to get full custody one day. 

  • Love 2
Link to comment

I'm not a fan of Landon usually, but my favorite moment of last night's reunion was Kathryn boasting about her jewelry line, and saying that the hideous choker she was wearing was one of her creations, then the cut to Landon and Cameran quietly snicker.

I don't care what else anyone thinks about Kathryn, but can't we come together on the fact that her necklace was godawful?

It definitely is but I think Landon really shouldn't have been mocking anyone's jewelry while wearing those earrings.

  • Love 12
Link to comment
6 hours ago, corter20 said:

Thomas can say hurtful things all day long and he will be forgiven every single time because of who he is.

Thomas opens up and flat out says that Landon posted those pictures of the two of them on purpose to get under Kathryn's skin. She did it on purpose. 

I understood Thomas in that moment to be basically saying that Landon shared those pics to stir up drama for (and interest in) the show. This makes sense to me given they presumably want the show to continue. Unfortunately it of course had the unfortunate side effect of making Kathryn freak out [to the point of feeling entitled to the private details of others' sex lives]. I'll admit to not paying super great attention but that was my takeaway. 

To your first point, word.

  • Love 5
Link to comment
7 hours ago, Nancybeth said:

don't care what else anyone thinks about Kathryn, but can't we come together on the fact that her necklace was godawful?

At least it was real,however hideous, not a picture of a necklace on a sheet of paper.  

Kathryn may have issues, but why in the world would Landon even think of wanting to be with Thomas?  As much as she protests no, she hasn't slept with him or doesn't want him, they're just friends, yeah whatever.  If you were a friend, you'd stay out of it unless Thomas actually asked you something.  She's an idiot because he's playing her just like he's tried to play every other woman that's ever been in his life.  He's a loser.  None of the guys on this show are prizes, but I think Thomas is the absolute worst.

Landon has no clue of what it means to work your ass off; if she were truly working her ass off, she would have something, even a sliver of something to show for it.

If everyone knows Kathryn has issues, why provoke her?  Why poke the bear?  Honestly, if everyone was picking on me all the time, I'd be a little pissed off too, even if they were picking on me for legit reasons.  At some point, just let her be.  They have no dog in this fight.  It's between Thomas and Kathryn. The children are being taken care of - there is a full time nanny.  And if the children were in danger, then call the authorities, don't go onto social media or the press to gleefully make snide comments one way or the other. The taking side of one versus another is so grade school.  I won't even say junior high, because most people are maturing a little by that age.

I'd say get rid of or scale down the Thomas and Kathryn minutes on this show and recast - recast most of the players.  I'm tired of seeing the Bickersons and their annoying, childish friends.

  • Love 14
Link to comment
4 minutes ago, hoosier80 said:

At least it was real,however hideous, not a picture of a necklace on a sheet of paper.  

Kathryn may have issues, but why in the world would Landon even think of wanting to be with Thomas?  As much as she protests no, she hasn't slept with him or doesn't want him, they're just friends, yeah whatever.  If you were a friend, you'd stay out of it unless Thomas actually asked you something.  She's an idiot because he's playing her just like he's tried to play every other woman that's ever been in his life.  He's a loser.  None of the guys on this show are prizes, but I think Thomas is the absolute worst.

Landon has no clue of what it means to work your ass off; if she were truly working her ass off, she would have something, even a sliver of something to show for it.

If everyone knows Kathryn has issues, why provoke her?  Why poke the bear?  Honestly, if everyone was picking on me all the time, I'd be a little pissed off too, even if they were picking on me for legit reasons.  At some point, just let her be.  They have no dog in this fight.  It's between Thomas and Kathryn. The children are being taken care of - there is a full time nanny.  And if the children were in danger, then call the authorities, don't go onto social media or the press to gleefully make snide comments one way or the other. The taking side of one versus another is so grade school.  I won't even say junior high, because most people are maturing a little by that age.

I'd say get rid of or scale down the Thomas and Kathryn minutes on this show and recast - recast most of the players.  I'm tired of seeing the Bickersons and their annoying, childish friends.

Agreed on your entire post.

Take my upvote.

Btw...just took a peek at Landon's site.  Geez...all I have to say is stop trying to make ROAM happen.  It's not going to happen.

Especially if there isn't any content on your site.

  • Love 3
Link to comment
1 hour ago, MeloraH said:

It definitely is but I think Landon really shouldn't have been mocking anyone's jewelry while wearing those earrings.

I thought Landon looked lovely and I liked the earrings. They amused me. Katherine's necklace was mockable, that said does anyone have a link to where she sells her Miss Kitty wear?
 

34 minutes ago, hoosier80 said:

At least it was real,however hideous, not a picture of a necklace on a sheet of paper.  

so true!

  • Love 3
Link to comment
7 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

I didn't really believe that Kensie's conception was anything other than manipulation or some kind of deal she made with Thomas.  Accidents happen and all that but sex wasn't anything new to Kathryn.  The conception of St. Julien?  More manipulation.  No sympathy for Kathryn at all.  Her scheme didn't work the first time, I have no idea why she'd think the birth of another baby would tie Thomas down.  To him she'll never be more than his babies mama.

Why is it determined that Kathryn is the manipulator?  Why is her scheme?  Thomas was there.  He went with it.  It takes two to make children.  Sex is nothing new to Thomas either.  The conception of Julien?  Again, Thomas was there.  He went with it.  Sorry but it's double standard.  Maybe to him she'll never be more than his babies' moma but he'll never be more than a manipulator to  get someone to give birth to his heirs.  Neither is worse than the other and Kathryn deserves no more blame than Thomas.

  • Love 10
Link to comment
(edited)

So, out of boredom and the extreme heat, I rewatched the reunion shows.  I usually don't watch shows twice.  I will check back to a scene but not a whole episode.

Anyway, neither Kathryn or Thomas said that Thomas is paying for current nannies.  Thomas did say that he had the children when filming the reunion and he had two nannies.  Kat responded, "You have two nannies?"  Thomas replied that there were two nannies because there are two children.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

It was interesting watching the reunion twice.  Landon was twice as annoying.  I'm also more convinced that she has a thing for Thomas.  She was sucking up to him big time IMO. 

Whit tried to get out of the claim by Kat that it was more than a one night stand.  Whit's final response was that it was three years ago and who remembers.  Sorry Whit, you're lying.

Thomas tries to play the role of a politician.  Maybe your couch buys into it but you're a BS artist plain and simple.

Kat BS's as well but not on the same level as Thomas.  She just looks crazier but there's a lot of truth in what she's says.

As for the child support.  Thomas is a rich man.  Check out his company's website:

http://www.raveneldevelop.com/

Other things to support this.  According to a Charleston newspaper, he spent $3 mil dollars of his own money when he ran for the Republican nomination of Senator the first time.  Another site said (I can't attest to this) that he declared his worth at $34mil when he was running for Senator the first time.  He sold his former home in Charleston for $3.3mil.  I don't know what he paid for his current Charleston home.  He bought Brookland plantation in the 2000's.  No, it's not a family home.  He put the plantation for sale in 2009 for over $4mil.

Putting feelings for Thomas or Kat aside, his offer of $4500 a month child support for two children is stingy IMO.   Heck, Beth of RHNY, depending on what site you read, is paying child support of $3000 a month or $10000 a month for one child.  Money is relative.  Can one survive on $4500 a month?  Sure...but should children  be put in a position of living one lifestyle with one parent and another lifestyle with the other.  I know that many, if not most, will disagree with me on this but I think children are entitled to a lifestyle and opportunity that is most afforded.  And I sure do get the frustration of the parent who can't afford the lifestyle that the one with bigger income is giving them.   Just an FYI - I've never been in the position of being divorced with children but I do get the frustration of being a divorced parent who can't give the benefits that a richer parent can give those children.  Sure, children can love both parents equally despite what they can afford but I get the lower income parent's feelings.  The reality is that, in theory, both should equally pay but the reality is, given incomes, should both be equally responsible.  Put into perspective - should a parent who is a school teacher be equally financially responsible as a CEO parent?

Kat getting a job?  She does have a job for now on this show but let's face it.  It's temporary.  What other job is she going to get off season that is going to bring her up to par with the guy who is 30 years her senior?  Should she get a job at the make up counter at the local department store?  How much would she be making after paying for daycare for two kids?  Just an aside - wasn't that what Cam was doing before she became a realtor a few years ago?  And she's 32?

Edited by breezy424
  • Love 5
Link to comment
22 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Katherine's first responsibility is to her children born and in utero.  Pregnant women run countries, courtrooms and operating rooms everyday.  Constantly throwing out she should get special treatment or others don't understand because they are not pregnant is a very weak argument.

Yeah, this. And I say that as someone who had complications and premature babies 2 out of 3 pregnancies, including a very premature baby. This idea that pregnant women should never be upset, etc. - I thought that was considered pretty antiquated thinking?  Pregnant women are pretty damn resilient, imo.

  • Love 10
Link to comment
10 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

I never said we or even the cast should treat Kathryn like she's a saint. I just said that in this instance, it's unlikely that Kathryn was manipulating her hospital admission. To act like Kathryn's hospitalization is equivalent to the time when she stormed away from the polo match is a dumb move of Landon's part. Or even when Kathryn had to convince Thomas to not go on the trip to LA. Kathryn had a high risk pregnancy. That's not Kathryn saying that. It's medical professionals. Medical professionals admitted her to the hospital. Going away a week before her inducement for a high risk pregnancy wasn't being manipulative it was being prudent. I think Thomas thought it was Kathryn bullshit until the nanny reminded him that if he was in LA and something went wrong he wouldn't be able to get back in a timely fashion. Something bad could have happened to the baby or Kathryn and he'd be 3000 miles away. 

When Kathryn stormed out of the polo match, that was Kathryn being a manipulative brat. She could have pulled Thomas aside and said we're going to hang out somewhere else because I don't want your sketchy porn friend around our kid. When you're done with that, we'll meet up with you. Or any of her feud and ultimatums with and about Landon, that was her being manipulative.

I didn't say that maternal death was the top cause of death. I said it was one of the top ten in the US and it is for women of child bearing age. It's also only getting worse in the US. The rate of maternal deaths has been on the rise for last 30 years. We have some of the worst statistics for developed countries. Stroke being one of common causes for maternal death and Kathryn had dangerously high blood pressure for this pregnancy.

How high was her blood pressure?  I must have missed this part. I know she claimed to be on a sort of modified bed rest where she couldn't leave the house but she sure seemed to be up and doing quite a bit, especially considering she had a nanny there to take care of her baby. I was on bed rest (both at home and at the hospital) with blood pressure problems and there was nothing modified about it. I could get up to go to the bathroom and take a very quick shower and that was it and I was lucky to get that. I knew women who were on complete bed rest - meaning bed pans and sponge baths.

And, yes. I think she totally manipulated that situation and could have easily manipulated her way into an overnight visit. My own experience (including a very traumatic birth where my baby almost died) is that they operate with an abundance of caution and thank God they did for me. If she had elevated blood pressure, all she had to claim was a "headache" to get admitted. If social media and Landon were getting a rise out of her, she should have disengaged for her baby's sake. (Not saying it was cool for Landon to stoke the fire, but Kathryn chose to engage in that bullshit.)

  • Love 4
Link to comment
2 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Whit tried to get out of the claim by Kat that it was more than a one night stand.  Whit's final response was that it was three years ago and who remembers.  Sorry Whit, you're lying.

I thought Whit came off really badly at this reunion.  Alright, at least his hair was colored a bit better.  But that's about it.  He still looked sweaty & creepy & was talking like he had a mouth full of potatoes.  And boy, was he caught up in his lies.  I kinda wonder if he's just so caught up in showing us he's straight, that he's gonna throw another fake girlfriend at us.  I can say this -- I'm totally unimpressed by his fakey bro talk with Horseteeth or Thom-ass about "chasing pussy".  Oh Whit, please.  Who are you trying to kid with this stuff?  Idk, I'd say the Chanel guitar gives you away but good, Whit.

And what about Kathryn hugging Whit at the end of this thing?  I mean, if I wasn't picking up on her being fucked up as all hell on some kinda drugs, that sure was the giveaway, wasn't it?  Sheesh, Whit was sitting across from her on the other couch -- and she couldn't tell he was laughing his ass off at her?  What the fuckety fuck?

  • Love 3
Link to comment
10 hours ago, Pachengala said:

I understood Thomas in that moment to be basically saying that Landon shared those pics to stir up drama for (and interest in) the show. This makes sense to me given they presumably want the show to continue. Unfortunately it of course had the unfortunate side effect of making Kathryn freak out [to the point of feeling entitled to the private details of others' sex lives]. I'll admit to not paying super great attention but that was my takeaway. 

To your first point, word.

I agree with this completely. I think Landon inserted herself into the TRav/Kathryn drama to give herself a story on the show. These two tend to be the focus and she wanted in to the spotlight. Unfortunately, she didn't realize that the glare of the lights casts a huge shadow on her. You know the old saying, when you play with pigs, you get dirty.

I think most of the audience have their ideas on TRav and Kathryn baked in already. They're both nuts and get off on this "relationship". Landon just put herself right into it the mess and now she's got mud all over her.  She didn't seem pleased at all in the second show as she might have noticed she wasn't coming off well at all.

I think TRav and Kathryn know each other very well and are very alike. He's a politician and was in full political mode on this show. I didn't believe one word out of his mouth. He's playing "gentleman" but he's as skeevy as they come. Kathryn seems to know that and like it. That's her option. I find them all disgusting but Landon is the worst to me. She's either too stupid to see what's happening or too desperate for some fame or cash or I don't know what. 

Is it any wonder Shep wouldn't now touch her with a ten foot pole when he's an admitted man-whore? He said she's like them. Too true, imo.

  • Love 7
Link to comment
(edited)
22 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Additionally, Landon ignorantly said pregnancy isn't a big deal when it's still one of the top ten causes of death for women in the United States

Not sure where you got this statistic but according to the CDC, that is not an accurate statement. Not saying that women in the US don't die from childbirth and pregnancy-related complications because of course they do, but the majority of those are due to being overweight/obese, over 35, and a lack of access to quality medical care. 

From what I've read, the biggest risk factor in Katherine's pregnancy seems to have been her inability to give up her partying lifestyle.  So, yeah, sorry but I would be boo hoo-ing over her "delicate condition" either. 

On ‎7‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 11:21 PM, Bronzedog said:

I felt really bad for Jennifer.  I guess she's facing the birth of her seriously ill baby without it's father?  I certainly wish her the best.

Where did you find out that the father wasn't in the picture?  According to what I've read, the father is her boyfriend Lee. Did they break up?

On ‎7‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 4:26 AM, Summerday said:

Cameron and Landon were so bitchy towards Kathryn tonight. There were some points where Landon was just staring at Kathryn with hate in her eyes at moments when she wasn't even talking. I believe that Landon absolutely slept with Thomas and believed that she would become Mrs. Ravenel, instead Thomas went back to/slept with Kathryn, and that pissed Landon off.

We're supposed to believe that Thomas and Landon spent Valentine's Day together and took a trip to London together but never slept together? Sorry, not buying it. 

Yes, and poor Kathryn did nothing to cause their ire either. Poor lamb!  She just sat there like the delicate flower that she is while they mercilessly attacked her...   oh wait a minute.  That's what happened in opposite world. 

The fact is that none of these girls' words or actions are done and said in a vacuum. They're ALL guilty of being judgmental, rude, and condescending. To each other. Well, Cameron less so.  

On ‎7‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 8:30 AM, bosawks said:

After watching this I feel it is my civic duty to mail Kathryn my dog's ThunderShirt.

LOL.  Ok this is too good. 

23 hours ago, izabella said:

I kept waiting for someone to tell Katherine that if she didn't stop making those faces, her face would freeze that way. 

For real.  I just spent 4th of July weekend with my niece (the only kid with all adults) and she acted more mature that K did at that reunion. 

Edited by Duke2801
  • Love 13
Link to comment
21 hours ago, breezy424 said:

 

13 hours ago, breezy424 said:

So, out of boredom and the extreme heat, I rewatched the reunion shows.  I usually don't watch shows twice.  I will check back to a scene but not a whole episode.

Anyway, neither Kathryn or Thomas said that Thomas is paying for current nannies.  Thomas did say that he had the children when filming the reunion and he had two nannies.  Kat responded, "You have two nannies?"  Thomas replied that there were two nannies because there are two children.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

It was interesting watching the reunion twice.  Landon was twice as annoying.  I'm also more convinced that she has a thing for Thomas.  She was sucking up to him big time IMO. 

Whit tried to get out of the claim by Kat that it was more than a one night stand.  Whit's final response was that it was three years ago and who remembers.  Sorry Whit, you're lying.

Thomas tries to play the role of a politician.  Maybe your couch buys into it but you're a BS artist plain and simple.

Kat BS's as well but not on the same level as Thomas.  She just looks crazier but there's a lot of truth in what she's says.

As for the child support.  Thomas is a rich man.  Check out his company's website:

http://www.raveneldevelop.com/

Other things to support this.  According to a Charleston newspaper, he spent $3 mil dollars of his own money when he ran for the Republican nomination of Senator the first time.  Another site said (I can't attest to this) that he declared his worth at $34mil when he was running for Senator the first time.  He sold his former home in Charleston for $3.3mil.  I don't know what he paid for his current Charleston home.  He bought Brookland plantation in the 2000's.  No, it's not a family home.  He put the plantation for sale in 2009 for over $4mil.

Putting feelings for Thomas or Kat aside, his offer of $4500 a month child support for two children is stingy IMO.   Heck, Beth of RHNY, depending on what site you read, is paying child support of $3000 a month or $10000 a month for one child.  Money is relative.  Can one survive on $4500 a month?  Sure...but should children  be put in a position of living one lifestyle with one parent and another lifestyle with the other.  I know that many, if not most, will disagree with me on this but I think children are entitled to a lifestyle and opportunity that is most afforded.  And I sure do get the frustration of the parent who can't afford the lifestyle that the one with bigger income is giving them.   Just an FYI - I've never been in the position of being divorced with children but I do get the frustration of being a divorced parent who can't give the benefits that a richer parent can give those children.  Sure, children can love both parents equally despite what they can afford but I get the lower income parent's feelings.  The reality is that, in theory, both should equally pay but the reality is, given incomes, should both be equally responsible.  Put into perspective - should a parent who is a school teacher be equally financially responsible as a CEO parent?

Kat getting a job?  She does have a job for now on this show but let's face it.  It's temporary.  What other job is she going to get off season that is going to bring her up to par with the guy who is 30 years her senior?  Should she get a job at the make up counter at the local department store?  How much would she be making after paying for daycare for two kids?  Just an aside - wasn't that what Cam was doing before she became a realtor a few years ago?  And she's 32?

 

I believe the issue between the two of them was Kathryn will not counter with anything more then "not enough".  Thomas said the court schedule was $2,500.00 a month and that would take into account his earnings.  She has the children 15 days a month, and would receive essentially $300 per day.  It seems like it would be enough to raise the children in a very nice environment.  I would like to hear that Kathryn paid her own rent and was able to manage her money.  She seems somewhat frantic in her spending. 

Kathryn through perhaps immaturity and stubbornness has a made a bad choice by putting the custody and support of her children in the hands of the court.  Kathryn is being offered $54,000.00 annually tax free income.  That seems pretty generous.  At some level it should not matter the lifestyle of the other parent.  I would think $54,000.00 would go a long ways in providing for one's children. They both presently earn in the six figure range.  It may be just a situation where she needs to prioritize the money.  The kids don't need a Range Rover to be driven back and forth to grandmas or $4,000.00 cribs.  Or if in fact she needs a nanny when she is not filming, if Thomas isn't paying for the nanny.   She claims her primary job is to take care of the kids. 

I would like to have taken a peak at her itemized expenses.  I remember Brandi Glanville claiming she spent $4,000.00 a month on groceries at home.  Applied to the children during the time she had custody that would be $2,000.00 a week in groceries or $1,000.00 a week per kid or $140.00 per day per kid.  Some requests don't dignify a response. 

Kathryn if she can't manage on the $4,500.00 a month should pursue a career to supplement the child support.  Child support is designed to help the lower earning parent offset expenses not provide for the parent. 

  • Love 12
Link to comment
23 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I call BS on Kathryn leaving the polo match because of Josh.  Josh did a porn movie ten years ago and regrets it.  How can she expect people to move past her past if she is being so judgmental?  http://www.fitsnews.com/2016/04/29/thomas-ravenels-new-buddy-is-a-porn-star/  She could have easily stayed with Elizabeth and sat through the match.  She cannot expect to walk into crowd situations and start excluding people.  As a group they need to hold her accountable for her behavior.

At that time she thought Elizabeth and JD were against her so she didn't like seeing them there either. 

20 hours ago, wovenloaf said:

You know, I’ve wondered that too. Dude spent, what?, thirty years (much of it in a cocaine-laden haze) sleeping around with anybody that would have him, yet managed not to have any children as a result (that we know about, anyway…). But was suddenly confused at the idea of tossing on a condom when Kathryn walks in the room? Even after already knocking her up once? I never really bought that storyline.

And apparently does well at keeping it protected in between and after having kids -cause we know the biggest issue was him stepping out on her after Kensie was born. I feel there is a bit of shenanigans going on with it too.

  • Love 2
Link to comment

Why does she even have a nanny if she claims she can't afford it?  She doesn't have a job besides this show, correct?  It seems like that woman is always around when they're filming. I was a stay-at-home-mom for 14 years and I would have LOVED having the luxury of a part-time nanny. Ain't gonna lie. Running to the grocery store all alone instead of lugging in carseats, etc?  Heaven. But no way would I want a full-time nanny, even if someone paid for it for me, when I am staying home to care for my kids.

  • Love 5
Link to comment

They have two nannies for the kids, a day nanny and a night nanny.  We've seen them both on the show.  Kathryn isn't even paying her own rent; she's not paying diddly squat for the nannies. 

  • Love 8
Link to comment

Landon is truly insufferable.  Her mockery of Katherine's "jewelry" line showed just what she is made of.  Just catty.  My question for her is simple:  did she sleep with TRav before or after she hit him up for $$ for her website-on-paper (can't recall who came up with that one, but so spot on!).  So what kind of girl does that make you, Landon?  Smug jerk. 

  • Love 4
Link to comment
7 minutes ago, Solokitty said:

Landon is truly insufferable.  Her mockery of Katherine's "jewelry" line showed just what she is made of.  Just catty.  My question for her is simple:  did she sleep with TRav before or after she hit him up for $$ for her website-on-paper (can't recall who came up with that one, but so spot on!).  So what kind of girl does that make you, Landon?  Smug jerk. 

 

Where did you hear that she hit T-Rav up for $$ for her crappy "lifestyle website"?

Link to comment
(edited)
11 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

 

Where did you hear that she hit T-Rav up for $$ for her crappy "lifestyle website"?

It was in one of the episodes this season. There was a scene in which she asked him to "invest" in her fledgling business. IIRC, he pretty firmly but politely told her "Hell naw! But good luck."

Edited by wovenloaf
  • Love 3
Link to comment
15 minutes ago, wovenloaf said:

It was in one of the episodes this season. There was a scene in which she asked him to "invest" in her fledgling business. IIRC, he pretty firmly but politely told her "Hell naw! But good luck."

Ah ok, I must have missed that - thanks!

Link to comment

Katherine shouldn't get a pass or be treated any differently because she is pregnant or because she squirted out two fuck trophies nor because she is bat shit crazy. She is a manipulative and mean in addition to being a BSC addict,, she dishes it out but can't take it when it is slapped back at her. If she is so concerned about stress while she is pregnant stay away and keep her damn mouth shut and stop sticking stuff up her nose or down her throat.

I don't like Landon nor Thomas they are just as bad but damn I am sick of Katherine. I wouldn't put it past her to manipulate her kids till the day she dies.

  • Love 10
Link to comment
On 7/6/2016 at 8:30 AM, bosawks said:

After watching this I feel it is my civic duty to mail Kathryn my dog's ThunderShirt.

Please forgive me, this seems to be the most popular comment on this thread & I don't get it.  Can someone explain this to poor clueless me?

  • Love 4
Link to comment
18 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Please forgive me, this seems to be the most popular comment on this thread & I don't get it.  Can someone explain this to poor clueless me?

A Thundershirt is designed to relieve a dog's anxiety when they act out, so I imagine it was a reference to Kathryn's twitchy behavior.

  • Love 7
Link to comment

Thomas and Landon definitely hooked up, but who cares. And I'm the last one to take Landon's side, but she's allowed to post whatever she wants on her own social media. 

Thomas is wealthy, but they showed how cheap he was with Kathryn (the difference in their two houses, his own THs admitting it, etc). In my experience, the more money people have, the cheaper they are. That's how they stay rich! 

Anyone know what happened between Kathryn and Jennifer before filming? Kathryn wouldn't even look at Jennifer during her segment and she looked absolutely disgusted. Very weird and noticeable. 

Also agree it's strange not to have JD on. 

Too bad Bravo ruined this show. It was charming af the first season. 

  • Love 5
Link to comment
8 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I believe the issue between the two of them was Kathryn will not counter with anything more then "not enough".  Thomas said the court schedule was $2,500.00 a month and that would take into account his earnings.  She has the children 15 days a month, and would receive essentially $300 per day.  It seems like it would be enough to raise the children in a very nice environment.  I would like to hear that Kathryn paid her own rent and was able to manage her money.  She seems somewhat frantic in her spending. 

Kathryn through perhaps immaturity and stubbornness has a made a bad choice by putting the custody and support of her children in the hands of the court.  Kathryn is being offered $54,000.00 annually tax free income.  That seems pretty generous.  At some level it should not matter the lifestyle of the other parent.  I would think $54,000.00 would go a long ways in providing for one's children. They both presently earn in the six figure range.  It may be just a situation where she needs to prioritize the money.  The kids don't need a Range Rover to be driven back and forth to grandmas or $4,000.00 cribs.  Or if in fact she needs a nanny when she is not filming, if Thomas isn't paying for the nanny.   She claims her primary job is to take care of the kids. 

I would like to have taken a peak at her itemized expenses.  I remember Brandi Glanville claiming she spent $4,000.00 a month on groceries at home.  Applied to the children during the time she had custody that would be $2,000.00 a week in groceries or $1,000.00 a week per kid or $140.00 per day per kid.  Some requests don't dignify a response. 

Kathryn if she can't manage on the $4,500.00 a month should pursue a career to supplement the child support.  Child support is designed to help the lower earning parent offset expenses not provide for the parent. 

I believe that Thomas has not given the court his true monthly income and is basing it off the SC child support calculator.  If both parents total income is above $30000 a month the support is determined on a case by case basis by the court.  He didn't go to court until a few weeks ago.  I read somewhere and I can't find it now that Thomas reported his monthly income at $15000 and Kathryn at $10000.  I'm not saying it's fact but.... I can believe that Kathryn gets about $120000 for doing the show.  Does Thomas have an income of $180000?  No way.  He maintains two estates, has full time help, and two nannies for 'him'.  He probably has his real estate  set up all in sorts of trusts, corporations, etc. to run the plantation and other things without him having to report a big chunk of his gross income.  And then as the owner of a successful corporation, his Audi Q7, etc., etc., are all paid by his company.

Money is relative.  One of my points is that $54000 can be deemed generous to some but when taking into consideration the income of the parent who is paying child support, many times it's not.  I wasn't talking about the 'lifestyle'  of the other parent. I said that the 'children' are entitled to a lifestyle and opportunity that is most afforded.  The teacher versus the CEO.

Should Kat pursue a career?  Absolutely but the fact is that she has two babies.  No matter how anyone feels about her as a person, that's a tough nut right now for her.  There's nothing out there and no one has confirmed that she has a full time nanny.  And I doubt that she would be able to get a job right now that pays very much and then add in the cost of child care for two children every other week (another obstacle).  And...having to take off how many months to film Southern Charm if the show is renewed (she's not going to give that up based on income alone).  I'm not saying Kathryn is right in all this.  Far from it but Thomas is playing his game as well.  

  • Love 3
Link to comment
8 hours ago, izabella said:

They have two nannies for the kids, a day nanny and a night nanny.  We've seen them both on the show.  Kathryn isn't even paying her own rent; she's not paying diddly squat for the nannies. 

Again, that was during filming.  After filming we don't know and there's no proof that she does.  Thomas has talked about paying the rent on the house but nothing more. 

At the reunion, Thomas said he had two nannies.  Kat responded, "You have two nannies?"  Thomas response was that he has a nanny for each child. 

  • Love 1
Link to comment
(edited)
8 hours ago, missy jo said:

Thomas and Landon definitely hooked up, but who cares. And I'm the last one to take Landon's side, but she's allowed to post whatever she wants on her own social media. 

Thomas is wealthy, but they showed how cheap he was with Kathryn (the difference in their two houses, his own THs admitting it, etc). In my experience, the more money people have, the cheaper they are. That's how they stay rich!  Anyone know what happened between Kathryn and Jennifer before filming? Kathryn wouldn't even look at Jennifer during her segment and she looked absolutely disgusted. Very weird and noticeable.  

Also agree it's strange not to have JD on. 

Too bad Bravo ruined this show. It was charming af the first season. 

IMO nothing happened.  Elizabeth said basically the same thing,  Kathryn stopped talking to everyone.  Kathryn  is pretty self absorbed,  so any conversation not about her was boring to miss kitty. If your  friend Is crying at least fake some interest! 

Edited by imjagain
  • Love 6
Link to comment
3 hours ago, missy jo said:

Also agree it's strange not to have JD on. 

As far as I'm concerned, his laugh is THE best thing about this show.  What were they thinkin' not having him there?

So wait, when Kathryn was explaining why she threw the tantrum when Thom-ass was playing polo, she said it was because of some guy he "partied with", who was there.  Who was the guy Kathryn was referring to?  Well, then they showed Pony Tail Dude, who Thom-ass was trying to fix up with Snowflake.  Er, huh?  OK, lemme process this one for a sec.  So by saying this guy is someone Thom-ass "partied with", does Kathryn really mean Pony Tail Dude is/was Thom-ass's coke dealer?  Um, cuz that's the only thing which makes sense to me, for causing Kathryn to react so crazy in that scene.  Altho we know she doesn't need much of an excuse to go nuts.  

So can we assume Thom-ass was fixing up Snowflake with his coke dealer?  Yup, nice fellow, that Thom-ass, right?

  • Love 2
Link to comment
On 7/6/2016 at 8:27 PM, Southernbelle55 said:

Kathryn's house isn't in Mount Pleasant, it's in I'on, a planned community outside Charleston proper. Whole very nice, it's not Mount Pleasant.

I'on is in Mount Pleasant. It's a very nice community, very "downtown Charleston" like with a suburban feel with the front porches and tall, thin homes. It's in what is considered "old" Mt. Pleasant, which is the area that was part of the original aspect of the town that grew around the base of the bridges that connect it to downtown - lot of money in that area, old homes, big homes, etc. (Most of new Mt. Pleasant is further up 17, suburban sprawl, tract neighborhoods, etc.). It's no where close to the money it takes to live downtown but it isn't cheap either and certainly would not be in the affordable range for a regular, non-reality star young woman in her 20s with two kids and no other discernible means of income. It is also probably close to an hour away from where her parents live but less than 10 minutes from downtown and all of the bars and party scenes. 

  • Love 2
Link to comment
(edited)

Regarding child support- $4,500.00 is plenty for the 2 kids, especially if you have them for 2 weeks a month.  Besides, the cost of living in S. Carolina doesn't seem very high, especially compared to NYC, SF or Chicago.

If rent is $1k and various monthly expenses (electricity, cable/internet, cleaning lady) about $350 tops, that leaves a little over $3k for Katherine to use towards the kids in a 2 week period.  It's enough for food and a little spending money towards toys, clothes and incidentals.  

I'm sure Thomas will be picking up the tab for both nannies, any trips/vacations, education, health insurance and big ticket items.  If Katherine needed more, he'll definitely throw a few ducats her way under the table.  He just doesn't want to be legally obligated to pay more a month, especially if it may be going towards providing Katherine with a certain lifestyle.  She needs to manage the cash better because I highly doubt the S.Carolina family court system is going to increase the monthly stipend.  

A friend of mine was obligated to pay over $10k a month in child support for his two kids but couldn't understand why his kids kept asking him for money.  Turns out his ex-wife was using the child support money to fund trips, shopping at high-end stores like Hermes and Henri Bendel, etc... But there was nothing he could do about it because he was mandated by the courts to pay up each month. If he didn't, he would be considered a deadbeat dad and that can really screw with your life.  A levy could be placed on his bank accounts, international travel would be prohibited (and in his case, he travels internationally at least 6 months a year for business) and so much more.  It's f'ed up that his ex abused the system but that's life.  Even though she's an awful person, she had him by the balls.  

Contesting child support is a pretty draining and expensive process too.  Attorney fees, time spent appearing in court, etc...It's a freakin' nightmare and it could be all for naught if the judge decides to rule against your petition for a child support adjustment.

Thomas is a louse but seems very shrewd when it comes to money.  

Katherine should get to steppin' on making those chokers if she wants to ever be able to afford a real Birkin bag because Thomas ain't gonna pay for it.  And for that, I applaud him.  

Edited by cuphead
  • Love 4
Link to comment
(edited)
18 minutes ago, cuphead said:

Regarding child support- $4,500.00 is plenty for the 2 kids, especially if you have them for 2 weeks a month.  Besides, the cost of living in S. Carolina doesn't seem very high, especially compared to NYC, SF or Chicago.

If rent is $1k and various monthly expenses (electricity, cable/internet, cleaning lady) about $350 tops, that leaves a little over $3k for Katherine to use towards the kids in a 2 week period.  It's enough for food and a little spending money towards toys, clothes and incidentals.  

I live in the south and I'm lucky if my electricity bill alone is not $350 in the summer. lol   We live in a decent sized home but no grand mansion but a/c runs most of the day. I cannot stand Kathrynn but I don't think $4,500 is a lot to live on, even where homes are relatively inexpensive.

BUT....I don't think child support from one parent is meant to be the ONLY support children receive as children are the responsibility of both parents. Kathrynn gets paid for the show so she should be able to survive on that income plus child support. That's where she loses me totally. She acts like she is entitled to live off of Thomas because she's the "mother of your children."  (Ugh....if I hear her or him say that one more time.)

Edited by lilmarysunshine
  • Love 10
Link to comment
4 minutes ago, lilmarysunshine said:

I live in the south and I'm lucky if my electricity bill alone is not $350 in the summer. lol   We live in a decent sized home but no grand mansion but a/c runs most of the day. I cannot stand Kathrynn but I don't think $4,500 is a lot to live on, even where homes are relatively inexpensive.

Ha.

I stand corrected. Forgot about the AC in the summers.  

 

But $4,500 still seems to be a decent amount if she only has the kids 2 weeks a month.  I don't have kids so not sure what she would need more money for.

  • Love 3
Link to comment

My Southern AC bill averages $140 per month. And my house is about 3 times the size of Kathryn's. It's set at 73° and the entire house stays comfortable. I don't begrudge Thoma setting up money the way he does because if he gave her carte blanche, she'd be using it for drugs

  • Love 4
Link to comment
6 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

My Southern AC bill averages $140 per month. And my house is about 3 times the size of Kathryn's. It's set at 73° and the entire house stays comfortable. I don't begrudge Thoma setting up money the way he does because if he gave her carte blanche, she'd be using it for drugs

Geez...$140 - $350 a month for electricity?

O_O

Blows.my.mind.

I don't think I've ever paid over $100 a month and that's only during the winters because I hate being cold.  Just paid my electric bill yesterday and it came out to $61.00! 

  • Love 2
Link to comment
13 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I believe that Thomas has not given the court his true monthly income and is basing it off the SC child support calculator.  If both parents total income is above $30000 a month the support is determined on a case by case basis by the court.  He didn't go to court until a few weeks ago.  I read somewhere and I can't find it now that Thomas reported his monthly income at $15000 and Kathryn at $10000.  I'm not saying it's fact but.... I can believe that Kathryn gets about $120000 for doing the show.  Does Thomas have an income of $180000?  No way.  He maintains two estates, has full time help, and two nannies for 'him'.  He probably has his real estate  set up all in sorts of trusts, corporations, etc. to run the plantation and other things without him having to report a big chunk of his gross income.  And then as the owner of a successful corporation, his Audi Q7, etc., etc., are all paid by his company.

Money is relative.  One of my points is that $54000 can be deemed generous to some but when taking into consideration the income of the parent who is paying child support, many times it's not.  I wasn't talking about the 'lifestyle'  of the other parent. I said that the 'children' are entitled to a lifestyle and opportunity that is most afforded.  The teacher versus the CEO.

Should Kat pursue a career?  Absolutely but the fact is that she has two babies.  No matter how anyone feels about her as a person, that's a tough nut right now for her.  There's nothing out there and no one has confirmed that she has a full time nanny.  And I doubt that she would be able to get a job right now that pays very much and then add in the cost of child care for two children every other week (another obstacle).  And...having to take off how many months to film Southern Charm if the show is renewed (she's not going to give that up based on income alone).  I'm not saying Kathryn is right in all this.  Far from it but Thomas is playing his game as well.  

I guess I don't know what more the children need at Kathryn's.  Money cannot buy sanity and stability.  She needs a full time cook, a house with a swimming pool, French tutors?  If Thomas has two nannies for the children Kathryn should have more money?  I am trying to follow the logic. Thomas has nannies because he works and needs someone to care for the children while he is working and apparently has decided to use his to provide care for the children. 

I do not know what "the children are entitled to a lifestyle that is most afforded" means?  A summer house?  I look at Mohamed Hadid, who lives in a $75 million dollar home, he was paying $30,000.00 a month for three kids and the nanny and health care.  Yolanda was living in a $4 million dollar house.  Should he have paid $100,000.00 a month because his house is bigger?  That is why the court decides the off the charts case on a case by case basis.  Successful parents should not be punished for their success-the idea isn't to redistribute the wealth.  It is to provide for the care and feeding of a child. 

Kathryn has two children 50% of the time.  There is plenty of room for her to pursue a career or finish college.  What would happen if Thomas died and estate does not go to the children until they reach majority?  There goes the monthly support.   I don't see where paying her more money is in the best interests of the children.  If she can't get by on $54,000.00 a year and her Southern Charm salary I don't believe the solution is more money but Kathryn learning to manage the money she receives.  The underlying issue for Kathryn is she wants to control Thomas' life and what he does and who he spends time with.  If she has a meltdown over Landon's social media postings maybe she should stop checking on Landon. 

Bottom line if Kathryn cannot make a cogent argument for why she should receive more than $54,000.00 a year she is not going to get more most likely she will receive far less.  BTW if she were to say she wanted to live closer to Thomas and the rent would be a $1,000.00 a month more that would make sense.  If she can't find anyone to rent to her because of her credit that is not Thomas' responsibility or the court's. 

  • Love 16
Link to comment
14 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I believe that Thomas has not given the court his true monthly income and is basing it off the SC child support calculator.  If both parents total income is above $30000 a month the support is determined on a case by case basis by the court.  He didn't go to court until a few weeks ago.  I read somewhere and I can't find it now that Thomas reported his monthly income at $15000 and Kathryn at $10000.  I'm not saying it's fact but.... I can believe that Kathryn gets about $120000 for doing the show.  Does Thomas have an income of $180000?  No way.  He maintains two estates, has full time help, and two nannies for 'him'.  He probably has his real estate  set up all in sorts of trusts, corporations, etc. to run the plantation and other things without him having to report a big chunk of his gross income.  And then as the owner of a successful corporation, his Audi Q7, etc., etc., are all paid by his company.

Money is relative.  One of my points is that $54000 can be deemed generous to some but when taking into consideration the income of the parent who is paying child support, many times it's not.  I wasn't talking about the 'lifestyle'  of the other parent. I said that the 'children' are entitled to a lifestyle and opportunity that is most afforded.  The teacher versus the CEO.

Should Kat pursue a career?  Absolutely but the fact is that she has two babies.  No matter how anyone feels about her as a person, that's a tough nut right now for her.  There's nothing out there and no one has confirmed that she has a full time nanny.  And I doubt that she would be able to get a job right now that pays very much and then add in the cost of child care for two children every other week (another obstacle).  And...having to take off how many months to film Southern Charm if the show is renewed (she's not going to give that up based on income alone).  I'm not saying Kathryn is right in all this.  Far from it but Thomas is playing his game as well.  

So she would go through what every other single mother goes through.  Except she DOES get a decent amount from the show that she could live on quite comfortably.  She makes more than 2X what I make in a year (if she got 120K/year) supporting two people in a much more expensive place than Charleston so she can suck it up.  Perhaps budget?  

Just cause she sired two Ravenal heirs does not entitle HER to live like Thomas.  Her home is just fine and her babies seem to lack for nothing except for their mother to have common sense.  I think using ones uterus to raise ones standard of living is pretty lame in this day and age.  And maybe a little bit of a struggle balancing a job and two babies would help her grow up.  Its not gonna happen.  I predict she will have several more children with several more men and I would be surprised if she has custody of any.

  • Love 16
Link to comment
1 hour ago, Major Bigtime said:

My Southern AC bill averages $140 per month. And my house is about 3 times the size of Kathryn's. It's set at 73° and the entire house stays comfortable. I don't begrudge Thoma setting up money the way he does because if he gave her carte blanche, she'd be using it for drugs

I need to know your secret! I live in the south with my AC set on 76 all day and night. I live in a small 2,000 sq.ft. house. Our electric during the summer is abou $250-$300 and that is without electronics turned on during the day. 

  • Love 3
Link to comment
(edited)
15 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Money is relative.  One of my points is that $54000 can be deemed generous to some but when taking into consideration the income of the parent who is paying child support, many times it's not.  I wasn't talking about the 'lifestyle'  of the other parent. I said that the 'children' are entitled to a lifestyle and opportunity that is most afforded.  The teacher versus the CEO.

Should Kat pursue a career?  Absolutely but the fact is that she has two babies.  No matter how anyone feels about her as a person, that's a tough nut right now for her.  There's nothing out there and no one has confirmed that she has a full time nanny.  And I doubt that she would be able to get a job right now that pays very much and then add in the cost of child care for two children every other week (another obstacle).  

Apologies, not trying to do a pile-on re: your post but I'm a little confused...

(please take my upvote in case it appears that I'm being aggressive)

Didn't the courts mandate her time with the kids be supervised and that her parents were approved to be the ones who supervised the visits?  If that's the case, can't she rely on them to care for the kids if she needs to hold down a 9-5?  Kind of sucks to use family as babysitters but does she really have a choice? And let's say she did get a job or start a career, she can always petition for more money so that Thomas covers the cost of a nanny if she needs to be elsewhere when the kids are in her care.  I highly doubt Thomas is going to put up a fight on that because it seems like money is not an issue when it pertains to what the kids need.  The issue is that child support should not equate to Katherine-support.

In addition, the kids are probably going to have every opportunity afforded to them via Thomas.  I doubt he is going to chase after Katherine to pay for half of the costs of tuition, lessons, summer camp or any other advantage that he can pay for on his own. If anything, Katherine seems to be in a very good spot.  She only has to pay for expenses while the kids are with her, Thomas will prob handle the rest.  With that said, she can feed the kids lobster and foie gras everyday when she has them and still have enough money to take them to movies, amusement parks, etc...

He is already paying for rent and utilities because that falls under the umbrella of making sure the kids have a stable environment while they are with her, so she lucks out in that regard too.  Cellphone, cable/internet and gas also fall under that umbrella. Lots of single parents with full-time custody would kill for a set-up like that. However, whatever Katherine wants for herself (eg. clothes, jewelry, booze, salon appointments, etc...), she's going to have to get on her own.  I think that's pretty fair.

Edited by cuphead
  • Love 6
Link to comment

Kathryn is coming from a place of believing Thomas when he said he would always take care of both her and Kensie and now her and the two children. Probably something Thomas will claim to have said 'in the moment'  but Kathryn took it 'seriously'.  Naive?  Of course.

Again, money is relative and $54000. is not a lot of money IMO.  She may have the children every other week but she still has to have a place large enough for two kids which entails more monthly costs.  The lease on the house where she is now is $3100. a month.  That's about $37000 a year right there and it's a pretty small house.   Apparently it's in a nice neighborhood.  If your father is a multi millionaire, you should be able to live in a nice neighborhood when you're with your mother.  It's still no where close to the luxury of your father's 'homes'.

I can't imagine paying only $170 a month for electric in the summertime.  And we pretty much keep the thermostat at 78.  Must be nice....and cool.

As for the present custody agreement, yes, Kathryn's has to be supervised.  That supervision can be done at her house.  And when Kensie starts school, there are going to be other problems if Kathryn has to make two round trips to Charleston everyday.  Hopefully, Kathryn will eventually get unsupervised custody.  That's best for both the kids and Kathryn.

Yes, Kathryn has her income from Southern Charm.  Is there any guarantee of that income?  No.  As far as I know the show hasn't been renewed yet and Kathryn doesn't know if she'll even be invited back.  That would be part of a negotiating factor with Thomas because she's not going to make that kind of money starting out doing something else.

  • Love 1
Link to comment
1 hour ago, cuphead said:

Geez...$140 - $350 a month for electricity?

O_O

Blows.my.mind.

I don't think I've ever paid over $100 a month and that's only during the winters because I hate being cold.  Just paid my electric bill yesterday and it came out to $61.00! 

We unfortunately have to pay a $70 TVA fee every single bill and an electric membership fee. We have never had a bill lower than $110 when we can lift Windows.

  • Love 1
Link to comment

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...